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Old 07-24-2009, 11:44 AM   #101
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

well things got expensive. i barley have reverse, or any other gear for that matter. if you give it a decent amount of gas it slams into gear. is this a bad tranny or bad t-converter. with the tranny in neutral, i try and shift the t-case and you can hear it grind, so the tranny isnt dissengaging. also when you come to a stop and try and throw it into park you can hear it some what grinds and squeals until you shut the engine off. any suggestions?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Sounds like it might be on its way out, but I'll let an automatic driver chime in on this. I've only had manuals, so I don't know too much about their habits.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

I would be looking for another tranny
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Check the fluid level too
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow
I would be looking for another tranny

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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

where you located? i might be able to help ya out?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

the fluid level is full i just wanted to make sure that the t-converter wouldnt have symptoms like this
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007
the fluid level is full i just wanted to make sure that the t-converter wouldnt have symptoms like this
Im far from a tranny expert, but it sounds to me like its in your transmission. If you found the sludge and metal in the pan, i dont think the torque converter could pass it through its oil passes or whatever.....
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

anyone one have any experience s with a company out of florida called goodfellas transmission
Old 07-25-2009, 08:39 AM   #110
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

just a little info guys. if your t converter goes bad it takes the tranny with it. the metal shavings go into the tranny and fry it. if you break the tranny it takes the converter with it. lol the problem is that the tranny fluid circulates through the whole unit as one so it kills everything
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good to know
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer
just a little info guys. if your t converter goes bad it takes the tranny with it. the metal shavings go into the tranny and fry it. if you break the tranny it takes the converter with it. lol the problem is that the tranny fluid circulates through the whole unit as one so it kills everything
Good to know x2, i knew it circulated, but didnt know all of that.....
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

well dint know that steering boxes were cast iron, and that a 98 astro van box wont bolt up to a 91 s10, in the process of milling down the astro box and hopefully i can braze on some new tabs,
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the home made driveshaft. took the rear drive shaft cut it to length. then took 1/8th inch plate and turned it on the bridgport , then took the u joint for hte front diff and welded it all together. suprisingly it fairly true.



toping off the fluids for its maiden voyage


not to bad, should be able to fit a 33 nicely


first time its left the garage in 2 and a half months, now shes sitting pretty in front of my shop




little taller than i would have liked but i wont complain
now i just have to wait a week until my tranny gets here,
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

the steering box should be the same unless you have the awd astro box.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

i may have picked up the awd one by mistake, but none the less, its sitting on my mill ready for the adaptor plate i made to be bolted on,one way or another its going it.


and superflow earlier you said you might be looking for a new tranny what was that pertaining to?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

and is there anything governing the exact placement of the steering box. or is it like everything else , it goes where i put it? it will be sitting a 1/4 inch off the frame due to the new mounting hardware but nothing binds.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

As long as it hooks up smoothly, not necessarily. I have seen a number of fellows plate the inside of the frame before they bolt in the astro box. You will be able to tell about the only place it can go once you get looking at the steering linkage and how much frame you have to work with.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

I said that when i read what had happened with yours. I would have started to look for another transmission. Since yours is a 91 i have a 700r4 sitting in our garage, but you already got one on order. Its all good.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

oh, well thanks for the info though, who know i may need another one, depends on how well this rebuilt holds up
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

any of you guys have any experience with roll cages? if so could you post up some pix. and would 2x2 1/8 or 3/16 square stock work ok for it?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

No, don't use square. It won't hold nearly the load if something happened, it will buckle much easier.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

figured that, just wanted some input.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

testing my steering today and it looks like my wheels dont turn as far as they did before i did the astro box. id rather not be stuck with a wider turning radius. any of you guys have this problem?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

with the chevy box on it i could turn full lock now it stops 1/2inch short of the stop bolt on the knuckle
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

Are you sure you aren't hitting the turn stops on your knuckles?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

im a half inch away from the stop on each side at full turn, it seems like the astro box has a shorter sweep then the chevy one.


and on another note any one have any good idea for fixing rocker pannels, i can weld it because the metal is to thin, tried brazing it and the bottom is still to thin and i burn through,
Old 07-30-2009, 08:45 PM   #128
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

I had a pretty good size rust hole on the driver's side cab near the corner and I bought a replacement piece and we welded it in, bondo'ed it smooth, and then I Line-X'ed over it. Not too thin to weld. A little 135 or something would spot weld something on just fine.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

or you could always cut them out and put some rock sliders in its place. Take your time and it would look damn good.....
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

still having problems with hte steering not being able to fully turn , i cant max it out like i could before. could it just be teh steering box? or could it be a geometry thing?
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

A longer pitman arm should fix it.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

any idea how much longer or is it just trial and error
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

your axle doesn't look like it has been moved forward. you might not need an astro box. how does your draglink angle look? a longer pitman arm will probably help but might put your draglink at more of an angle.
Old 08-07-2009, 12:46 PM   #134
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

teh axle moved forward abotu 2 inches at the most, i had hte stock box on and it put it to far back and it was hitting the axle. the drag link was sitting almost on top of the axle. could that be solved by using a drop pitman
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

do you have some pics of the steering setup?
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not as of right now bull ill get some tonight.
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I used the astro box with a cj5 pitman arm and a modified cj5 d-link if that helps ,I lost a little ,(not much) radius to the left but to the right, tires eat springs.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

i posted in the transmission section but ill post here to because i get a faster response, what transmission is this?

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i ordered a 700r4 for my truck and i was sent this. but its not what came out of the truck
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It's a 2.8 metric
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thanks
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

i know this has been answered on here before, i know what the options aer for the rear o2 sensor on this truc, but what is the easiest\best solution. weld in a bung and leave it at that, throw high flow cats on it? any poinions would be great
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I spaced my O2 sensor out and it seems to help (since I am running no cat) but I am still throwing a code every so often. I don't really care, so who knows if I try to fix it or not anytime soon.
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

does anyone know what would happen if i were to just not run the second o2
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worse gas milage, may affect the motor performance. i dont have any of my 3 in mine
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

having some problems mounting my sway bar up front, either its hittign my shocks or its shitting the steering box, can someone with a gen 1 post up some pictures of how they mounted theirs?
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you dont need sway bars! hah.
you could look into mounting it to the axle.?
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you dont need sway bars? news to me but none the less thats what i want to hear
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Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion

You shoulda kept that box on, it was awesome. Do you still have it?

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow
Unless you get in a bind and like having to get out of your truck and push it back
I drove a car for about a year with no reverse. You really had to plan ahead when entering parking lots
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yeah i still got it, its sitting my my garage with the rest of hte parts ive broken, one day ill get around to trashing it
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You should give it to me



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