91 s10 4wd sas conversion

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

how easy is it to clock the t-case

I'm not even aware of the availability of parts to clock our t-cases, to be honest, but for Dana 300s, 205s, etc. you can go out and buy "clocking rings" and such to allow you to rotate the cases position. You can check, but I don't know what you'll be able to find.

Also, if the driveline angle is that extreme, you probably wouldn't want to have to clock the case so far down. It just wouldn't be ideal. Now if you could find parts to clock the t-case a little bit AND tipping the pinion a fraction helped, then you would be okay, but I'm not sure if that is even the situation or not.

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BigBoy70

there is a simple solution to this problem........but only if you intend it to be a trailer queen.

If you intend to drive it on the road I suggest the above posts.........

If it will be trail driven only you can change the yoke position by changing the spring perch location. Although most people will disagree with this, I have found it works resonable well in small amounts. too much and oiller will not work properly for the ring gear.

This is the same thing as tilting the pinion up. Exact same concept.

It sounds like the guy is going to be driving this some on the road, but I'm not sure. Either way, with the amount he would have to move the pinion and re-weld the perches, his steering links would be facing the ground, which means his turning ability is going to be a disaster. The whole point of the steering setup is to not have to turn the portion of the tire that has the weight of the vehicle on it, a.k.a. the bottom of the tire.

Regardless of if he drove it much on the road or not, this wouldn't last long I don't think.

nyteRyda · 07-13-2009, 01:32 PM

Ok I want to feed some insight before he gets too deep into this project...

It could be just me and I could be a complete idiot but whatever...

His shackle angle is horrible with weight on the truck its way to far towards the front of the truck...

and with that being said he is running stock jeep leaf springs it looks like...

so maybe thats half the reason his pinion angle sucks so bad...I would say if he got different leaf springs or fixed his shackle angle it would probably make his pinion a little better...i mean it could all just be me too...who knows...

my .02

black_blazer · 07-13-2009, 01:57 PM

It looks to me that your front hanger is at a much higher mounting point then the shackle mount and the leafs are sitting like so / in a sense.

If you redo the front hanger with "lower" points and make your springs sit more like so _ , I would think that would correct a good bit of it but I also think your gonna have to redo the perches at a little different angle as well.

I could be wrong easily, I'm still in the learning pool myself

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 04:35 PM

Guys, keep in mind that he has bigger tires on the front end and hasn't done anything to the rear. It makes it look pretty distorted, as far as the angles of the springs, etc., look.

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 06:04 PM

ok just to clear somethings up yes it is going to be driven on the road but not in 4wd, so the shaft wont be turning unless im off road., the shackle angle has been fixed, they sit just a little bit behind vertical, they point about 5 degrees back. yes the front spring cross member sits higher that the back. regardless, today i did some toying around with the front axle. the castor is set at 5 degrees back and the pinion angle is pointing in a good direction its close to pointing almost at the t-case. but none the less, the pinion is at a decent location but it still binds at the t-case.

would a high angle driveline be able to solve this problem ? if not what other options do i have?

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 06:17 PM

What do you mean 5 degrees back? That would be tilting the pinion down, if I am reading you right.

Also, if the pinion is almost pointing at the t-case, it shouldn't be binding, but I'd have to see a picture to be able to tell.

If you ever plan to be able to run 4x4 on the road (extreme weather conditions, etc.): From what I know, you can point the pinion up at the t-case and if it is too extreme for the t-case yoke you would need to run a CV driveshaft (joints/yokes are being run at much different angles. Running a standard shaft, you would want the angles of the yokes/joints on both ends to be pretty much at the same angle.

If you don't ever plan to run 4x4 on the street: just get the driveshaft not to bind. Even if it doesn't bind sitting on flat ground, you want to make sure that the driveshaft won't bind when the driver's side wheel droops as well. That would do you no good at all.

Having a high pinion front axle, my front driveline angle is very flat, so I'm trying to figure it out but pictures will always help!

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 06:32 PM

its 5 degrees positive castor, it was 15 degrees. and ill grab some pictures later on.
its not binding at the pinion its binding at the t-case.

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 06:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

its 5 degrees positive castor, it was 15 degrees. and ill grab some pictures later on.
its not binding at the pinion its binding at the t-case.

Sounds like a CV shaft will be in order. I'll wait for the pictures, but you might could grab a used Jeep CV driveshaft and take it to a shop to be modified.

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 06:44 PM

ok thats the pinion angle with a positive 5 degrees castor. ans as you can see the drive shaft comming from the t-case is at its lowest point before it binds. would a high angle driveline work with this?

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 06:56 PM

It appears as though your leaf springs aren't flat on the perches. Is that an illusion?

I'm sure a high angle driveshaft would work, just think about the rear shafts on Jeeps. The CV allows the clearance but then the shaft will be shortened and you have to be sure that the lower yoke then won't bind.

I would try to find a cheap route, like trying out a Jeep CV first, though. If I were going to have to dish out big money for a new shaft, I would probably opt on getting a different axle set that has a high pinion front, as it may be cheaper to go that route once you sold your axles.

Try and get that rear mocked up to find out what your actual angles will be. The truck leaning back so much probably doesn't display the real situation as much as you'd want it to in order to know what's going on.

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 07:22 PM

no thats not an illusion, its a half assed way of setting the castor and seeting if hte pinion angle would work, i didnt want to hack up my perches if it wasnt going to work. so for the purpose of my measurements thats what i did.

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 07:26 PM

if anything i would go for the option of a cv joint. as long as its a viable option. and how much would i be looking at for a high angle drive line? any ideas?

BigBoy70 · 07-13-2009, 09:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10

Either way, with the amount he would have to move the pinion and re-weld the perches, his steering links would be facing the ground, which means his turning ability is going to be a disaster. The whole point of the steering setup is to not have to turn the portion of the tire that has the weight of the vehicle on it, a.k.a. the bottom of the tire.

Regardless of if he drove it much on the road or not, this wouldn't last long I don't think.

The idea is not to rotate it TOO much. Full hydrolic steering always helps if you have to move the perches......thats what I did at least.

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 10:07 PM

if it comes to that situation, 2 questions. how easy is it to go to full hydraulic steering, and is it street legal?

bouchee2007 · 07-13-2009, 10:12 PM

nvm it cant be street legal

MTchevyS10 · 07-13-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

if it comes to that situation, 2 questions. how easy is it to go to full hydraulic steering, and is it street legal?

You don't need it, don't worry.

DieselS10 · 07-14-2009, 02:44 AM

I have a high angle drive shaft in the front of mine with a CV at the transfer case. My truck will get stupid tall when the bags are maxed, which simulates tire droop during articulation, which is something that you MUST keep in mind or it WILL bind and break. Even with a HP60 and stacked transfer cases I had to get liberal with a die grinder on the front yokes to keep it from binding at full tilt, but the CV is handling it fine.

The bad......the driveshaft was almost $500, but it works.

bouchee2007 · 07-14-2009, 09:46 AM

well i figured im already intto the project so what more money, if i didnt want to spend the cash i wouldnt have started this truck, alls i wanted to hear was that i wasnt out of luck and that this was still doable. thanks for the info ill keep it posted with how things go

BigBoy70 · 07-14-2009, 01:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

nvm it cant be street legal

sure it is...... it just doesn't have a return to center. Dump trucks use it along with other heavy trucks that are on the road. Just takes some getting used to.

BillaksBlazer · 07-14-2009, 01:35 PM

full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe.

MTchevyS10 · 07-14-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer

full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe.

Sounds about right. I think Ram Assist, etc. may be about as far as you can legally go, but I'm not positive.

monkeywrench · 07-15-2009, 02:34 AM

with full hydro steering you would also need a aux electric pump because if for some reason at highway speeds your motor dies there is no longer a mechanical link to turn the wheels. at least that what all heavy equipment has for emergencies. i think that is the main reason it is not legal.

BigBoy70 · 07-15-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer

full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe.

But.....

I guess it depends on where you live. AL DOT has no stipulations concerning a light duty veichle's steering setup. Not onlt that all you need to get a tag in this state is a title and cash, no inspections. I guess we here in Alabama are just archaic

BuzzerPB · 07-16-2009, 12:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

ok thats the pinion angle with a positive 5 degrees castor. ans as you can see the drive shaft comming from the t-case is at its lowest point before it binds. would a high angle driveline work with this?

looking like your haveing the same problems i had with a LP axle.
I ended up cutting the knuckles and turning them and had 2 use shims as well,
on the T-case side i ended up using a TomWoods 1310 offset u-joint with a tad bit of grinding at full drop
and a 1310/1330 front u-joint to the D44
my build tread with alot of pics
including the t-case cross member..you'll have to redo
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f221/93-jimmyd-397741/

bouchee2007 · 07-18-2009, 09:23 PM

got the rear axle strightened out

MTchevyS10 · 07-19-2009, 01:49 PM

Nice! Looks like a really good stance. How does the front situation look now that the truck is more level?

bouchee2007 · 07-19-2009, 09:58 PM

still having problems with the driveshaft binding at the t-case, but from what ive heard nothing throwing money at a high angle driveline wont fix. and on a side note the rear driveshaft is finished, cut it down to size and milled up an adaptor for a different yoke. i stole the front yoke which is not apart of the rear. ill have pictures up by tomorrow

DieselS10 · 07-19-2009, 10:16 PM

Lookin Good!

bouchee2007 · 07-19-2009, 10:22 PM

thanks, its almost finished, just need to install the brake system and hook up the shift linkage and it should move on its own, hopefully.

bouchee2007 · 07-20-2009, 10:38 PM

noob question, when you fill the trans are there gallys that transfere the fluid to the TC and the t-case, and if so do you just run the engine while you feed it trans fluid?

Baggey22 · 07-20-2009, 10:48 PM

Transmission and transfer case are separate. They don't share fluid

DieselS10 · 07-20-2009, 10:55 PM

The TC will fill with the tranny. There are two plugs in the rear of the Tcase, one about half way up and one at the bottom, fill it until it begins to run out of the upper one.

bouchee2007 · 07-20-2009, 10:56 PM

does the t-case just use tranny fluid or does it take gear oil

MTchevyS10 · 07-21-2009, 12:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

does the t-case just use tranny fluid or does it take gear oil

According to a GM dealership, it takes ATF/Dexron VII.
And yes, there are 2 different sets of fill/drain plugs for the transmission and the transfer case.

bouchee2007 · 07-21-2009, 01:26 PM

couldi just use dexron III

bouchee2007 · 07-21-2009, 04:16 PM

alright guys i need some help on this one, i just dropped my tranny pan and changed the filter. there was a crap load of sludge stuck to the magnet in the pan and a few chunks of metal just sitting there, probably 1/8in in size. what could have possibly broken, any suggestions? and worst case senario, how hard is it to rebuild a tranny or how much does it cost for a new/rebuilt one

MTchevyS10 · 07-21-2009, 04:28 PM

I say if it drives fine, keep driving it. Could not be a big issue. Just don't go rebuild it before it's officially "done."

bouchee2007 · 07-21-2009, 04:39 PM

sounds good to me

DieselS10 · 07-22-2009, 12:24 AM

Yeah, an automatic will let you know when they are finished.

bouchee2007 · 07-22-2009, 08:39 AM

as long as i have one forward gear ill be in good shape, reverse is over rated

96superflow · 07-22-2009, 10:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007

as long as i have one forward gear ill be in good shape, reverse is over rated

Unless you get in a bind and like having to get out of your truck and push it back

bouchee2007 · 07-22-2009, 11:16 AM

lol thats what your spotters for

96superflow · 07-22-2009, 02:07 PM

a good one deff helps ha

DieselS10 · 07-22-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow

Unless you get in a bind and like having to get out of your truck and push it back

Been there! I drove mine for 6 lonths with out reverse back in the early 90's.

bouchee2007 · 07-24-2009, 12:29 AM

well filled everything up today, and got a half assed rear brake line set up and pluged the front so i can get it out of the garage. i havent had hte chance to move it yet so hopefully the tranny works. so heres a question for all of you, since im new to the whole 4wd thing what locker would be best for the rear dana 44? im looking for something manual?

DieselS10 · 07-24-2009, 12:53 AM

I've had good luck with Lock-Right lockers and they are cheap, PM Joey.

bouchee2007 · 07-24-2009, 09:18 AM

how do yo remove the doors on these trucks? i have a lot of rust thast needs to be cut out and the driver side door is in the way, it dosent really look like there is an easy way, other than cuttng the pins and then replacing them with new ones? is there any other way?

96superflow · 07-24-2009, 10:11 AM

A very long 1/2 drive extension and a BFH. Knock the hinge pins out, 1 from the top, the other from the bottom. and it slides out. I would however go and get 2 more hinge pins, because its likely you will bust the bushings pulling the other two out.

Golana · 07-24-2009, 11:00 AM

there are little clips that fit over the pins. you remove the clips (should be near the head of the pin) and then the pin should punch out fairly easy

07-13-2009, 12:39 PM	#51
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 how easy is it to clock the t-case I'm not even aware of the availability of parts to clock our t-cases, to be honest, but for Dana 300s, 205s, etc. you can go out and buy "clocking rings" and such to allow you to rotate the cases position. You can check, but I don't know what you'll be able to find. Also, if the driveline angle is that extreme, you probably wouldn't want to have to clock the case so far down. It just wouldn't be ideal. Now if you could find parts to clock the t-case a little bit AND tipping the pinion a fraction helped, then you would be okay, but I'm not sure if that is even the situation or not.
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07-13-2009, 12:42 PM	#52
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by BigBoy70 there is a simple solution to this problem........but only if you intend it to be a trailer queen. If you intend to drive it on the road I suggest the above posts......... If it will be trail driven only you can change the yoke position by changing the spring perch location. Although most people will disagree with this, I have found it works resonable well in small amounts. too much and oiller will not work properly for the ring gear. This is the same thing as tilting the pinion up. Exact same concept. It sounds like the guy is going to be driving this some on the road, but I'm not sure. Either way, with the amount he would have to move the pinion and re-weld the perches, his steering links would be facing the ground, which means his turning ability is going to be a disaster. The whole point of the steering setup is to not have to turn the portion of the tire that has the weight of the vehicle on it, a.k.a. the bottom of the tire. Regardless of if he drove it much on the road or not, this wouldn't last long I don't think.
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07-13-2009, 01:32 PM	#53
nyteRyda Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 541 Location: Kingston Pa User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Ok I want to feed some insight before he gets too deep into this project... It could be just me and I could be a complete idiot but whatever... His shackle angle is horrible with weight on the truck its way to far towards the front of the truck... and with that being said he is running stock jeep leaf springs it looks like... so maybe thats half the reason his pinion angle sucks so bad...I would say if he got different leaf springs or fixed his shackle angle it would probably make his pinion a little better...i mean it could all just be me too...who knows... my .02
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07-13-2009, 01:57 PM	#54
black_blazer Minnesota Man Age: 28 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 438 Location: land of ice and snow User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion It looks to me that your front hanger is at a much higher mounting point then the shackle mount and the leafs are sitting like so / in a sense. If you redo the front hanger with "lower" points and make your springs sit more like so _ , I would think that would correct a good bit of it but I also think your gonna have to redo the perches at a little different angle as well. I could be wrong easily, I'm still in the learning pool myself
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07-13-2009, 04:35 PM	#55
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Guys, keep in mind that he has bigger tires on the front end and hasn't done anything to the rear. It makes it look pretty distorted, as far as the angles of the springs, etc., look.
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07-13-2009, 06:04 PM	#56
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion ok just to clear somethings up yes it is going to be driven on the road but not in 4wd, so the shaft wont be turning unless im off road., the shackle angle has been fixed, they sit just a little bit behind vertical, they point about 5 degrees back. yes the front spring cross member sits higher that the back. regardless, today i did some toying around with the front axle. the castor is set at 5 degrees back and the pinion angle is pointing in a good direction its close to pointing almost at the t-case. but none the less, the pinion is at a decent location but it still binds at the t-case. would a high angle driveline be able to solve this problem ? if not what other options do i have?
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07-13-2009, 06:17 PM	#57
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion What do you mean 5 degrees back? That would be tilting the pinion down, if I am reading you right. Also, if the pinion is almost pointing at the t-case, it shouldn't be binding, but I'd have to see a picture to be able to tell. If you ever plan to be able to run 4x4 on the road (extreme weather conditions, etc.): From what I know, you can point the pinion up at the t-case and if it is too extreme for the t-case yoke you would need to run a CV driveshaft (joints/yokes are being run at much different angles. Running a standard shaft, you would want the angles of the yokes/joints on both ends to be pretty much at the same angle. If you don't ever plan to run 4x4 on the street: just get the driveshaft not to bind. Even if it doesn't bind sitting on flat ground, you want to make sure that the driveshaft won't bind when the driver's side wheel droops as well. That would do you no good at all. Having a high pinion front axle, my front driveline angle is very flat, so I'm trying to figure it out but pictures will always help!
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07-13-2009, 06:32 PM	#58
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion its 5 degrees positive castor, it was 15 degrees. and ill grab some pictures later on. its not binding at the pinion its binding at the t-case.
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07-13-2009, 06:39 PM	#59
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 its 5 degrees positive castor, it was 15 degrees. and ill grab some pictures later on. its not binding at the pinion its binding at the t-case. Sounds like a CV shaft will be in order. I'll wait for the pictures, but you might could grab a used Jeep CV driveshaft and take it to a shop to be modified.
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07-13-2009, 06:44 PM	#60
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion ok thats the pinion angle with a positive 5 degrees castor. ans as you can see the drive shaft comming from the t-case is at its lowest point before it binds. would a high angle driveline work with this?
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07-13-2009, 06:56 PM	#61
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion It appears as though your leaf springs aren't flat on the perches. Is that an illusion? I'm sure a high angle driveshaft would work, just think about the rear shafts on Jeeps. The CV allows the clearance but then the shaft will be shortened and you have to be sure that the lower yoke then won't bind. I would try to find a cheap route, like trying out a Jeep CV first, though. If I were going to have to dish out big money for a new shaft, I would probably opt on getting a different axle set that has a high pinion front, as it may be cheaper to go that route once you sold your axles. Try and get that rear mocked up to find out what your actual angles will be. The truck leaning back so much probably doesn't display the real situation as much as you'd want it to in order to know what's going on.
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07-13-2009, 07:22 PM	#62
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion no thats not an illusion, its a half assed way of setting the castor and seeting if hte pinion angle would work, i didnt want to hack up my perches if it wasnt going to work. so for the purpose of my measurements thats what i did.
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07-13-2009, 07:26 PM	#63
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion if anything i would go for the option of a cv joint. as long as its a viable option. and how much would i be looking at for a high angle drive line? any ideas?
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07-13-2009, 09:56 PM	#64
BigBoy70 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 186 Location: Heart of Dixie User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10 Either way, with the amount he would have to move the pinion and re-weld the perches, his steering links would be facing the ground, which means his turning ability is going to be a disaster. The whole point of the steering setup is to not have to turn the portion of the tire that has the weight of the vehicle on it, a.k.a. the bottom of the tire. Regardless of if he drove it much on the road or not, this wouldn't last long I don't think. The idea is not to rotate it TOO much. Full hydrolic steering always helps if you have to move the perches......thats what I did at least.
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07-13-2009, 10:07 PM	#65
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion if it comes to that situation, 2 questions. how easy is it to go to full hydraulic steering, and is it street legal?
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07-13-2009, 10:12 PM	#66
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion nvm it cant be street legal
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07-13-2009, 11:46 PM	#67
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 if it comes to that situation, 2 questions. how easy is it to go to full hydraulic steering, and is it street legal? You don't need it, don't worry.
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07-14-2009, 02:44 AM	#68
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,225 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion I have a high angle drive shaft in the front of mine with a CV at the transfer case. My truck will get stupid tall when the bags are maxed, which simulates tire droop during articulation, which is something that you MUST keep in mind or it WILL bind and break. Even with a HP60 and stacked transfer cases I had to get liberal with a die grinder on the front yokes to keep it from binding at full tilt, but the CV is handling it fine. The bad......the driveshaft was almost $500, but it works.
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07-14-2009, 09:46 AM	#69
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion well i figured im already intto the project so what more money, if i didnt want to spend the cash i wouldnt have started this truck, alls i wanted to hear was that i wasnt out of luck and that this was still doable. thanks for the info ill keep it posted with how things go
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07-14-2009, 01:03 PM	#70
BigBoy70 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 186 Location: Heart of Dixie User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 nvm it cant be street legal sure it is...... it just doesn't have a return to center. Dump trucks use it along with other heavy trucks that are on the road. Just takes some getting used to.
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07-14-2009, 01:35 PM	#71
BillaksBlazer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 572 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe.
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07-14-2009, 02:49 PM	#72
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe. Sounds about right. I think Ram Assist, etc. may be about as far as you can legally go, but I'm not positive.
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07-15-2009, 02:34 AM	#73
monkeywrench Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion with full hydro steering you would also need a aux electric pump because if for some reason at highway speeds your motor dies there is no longer a mechanical link to turn the wheels. at least that what all heavy equipment has for emergencies. i think that is the main reason it is not legal.
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07-15-2009, 11:41 AM	#74
BigBoy70 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 186 Location: Heart of Dixie User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer full hydro steering is not legal on our trucks. It is not DOT approved for anythin under 10 ton i believe. But..... I guess it depends on where you live. AL DOT has no stipulations concerning a light duty veichle's steering setup. Not onlt that all you need to get a tag in this state is a title and cash, no inspections. I guess we here in Alabama are just archaic
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07-16-2009, 12:08 AM	#75
BuzzerPB Registered User Age: 34 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 197 Location: Milwaukie, Or User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 ok thats the pinion angle with a positive 5 degrees castor. ans as you can see the drive shaft comming from the t-case is at its lowest point before it binds. would a high angle driveline work with this? looking like your haveing the same problems i had with a LP axle. I ended up cutting the knuckles and turning them and had 2 use shims as well, on the T-case side i ended up using a TomWoods 1310 offset u-joint with a tad bit of grinding at full drop and a 1310/1330 front u-joint to the D44 my build tread with alot of pics including the t-case cross member..you'll have to redo http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f221/93-jimmyd-397741/
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07-18-2009, 09:23 PM	#76
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion got the rear axle strightened out
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07-19-2009, 01:49 PM	#77
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Nice! Looks like a really good stance. How does the front situation look now that the truck is more level?
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07-19-2009, 09:58 PM	#78
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion still having problems with the driveshaft binding at the t-case, but from what ive heard nothing throwing money at a high angle driveline wont fix. and on a side note the rear driveshaft is finished, cut it down to size and milled up an adaptor for a different yoke. i stole the front yoke which is not apart of the rear. ill have pictures up by tomorrow
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07-19-2009, 10:16 PM	#79
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,225 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Lookin Good!
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07-19-2009, 10:22 PM	#80
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion thanks, its almost finished, just need to install the brake system and hook up the shift linkage and it should move on its own, hopefully.
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07-20-2009, 10:38 PM	#81
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion noob question, when you fill the trans are there gallys that transfere the fluid to the TC and the t-case, and if so do you just run the engine while you feed it trans fluid?
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07-20-2009, 10:48 PM	#82
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,086 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Transmission and transfer case are separate. They don't share fluid
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07-20-2009, 10:55 PM	#83
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,225 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion The TC will fill with the tranny. There are two plugs in the rear of the Tcase, one about half way up and one at the bottom, fill it until it begins to run out of the upper one.
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07-20-2009, 10:56 PM	#84
bouchee2007 local engineer Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Berkley Mass User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion does the t-case just use tranny fluid or does it take gear oil
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07-21-2009, 12:06 PM	#85
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 712 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 91 s10 4wd sas conversion Quote: Originally Posted by bouchee2007 does the t-case just use tranny fluid or does it take gear oil According to a GM dealership, it takes ATF/Dexron VII. And yes, there are 2 different sets of fill/drain plugs for the transmission and the transfer case.
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