Few Questions

AForlizzi · 10-23-2009, 11:10 AM

Im new to this forum and was wondering what IFA and SFA stand for? i have a 98 4x4 regular cab s10 i was looking to lift it and was wondering if anyone had any pics of thier regular cab lifted. Thanks

96superflow · 10-23-2009, 02:48 PM

go to the liftin it general section. there is a thread on there that explains all of them. But IFS is Independent Front Suspension and SFA is Solid Front Axle.

GeorgesBlazah · 10-23-2009, 05:38 PM

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f220/l...s-rigs-375230/

Youll find a ton of pics there.

AForlizzi · 10-25-2009, 04:48 PM

I was looking to do a 2" rough country suspension lift im not sure if i want to do a body lift.. i dont want to lift it to much so it doesnt look right. would a body lift be required to run 31's? will there be any rubbing with just the 2" SL?

Sammytheorangutan · 10-25-2009, 07:45 PM

Don't do the 2" suspension lifts. All they do is crank the Tbars more than they should. With the mystery lift (Tbar crank, rear shackles or AAL and 2" body lift) you can run 31x10.50x15s on stock rims with very little rubbing on the frame (at full lock) and generally no rubbing on the fenders. If you use aftermarket wheels (with less backspacing), you won't rub the frame but you'll probably have to trim the fenders to keep from rubbing.

AForlizzi · 10-25-2009, 07:56 PM

i was planning on buying the cragar soft 8's. How much money would be spent doing the mystery lift you think? and how much total lift is there including the 2" BL?

Sammytheorangutan · 10-25-2009, 08:59 PM

Less than $400. Much less than that if you shop around and/or get creative. The late 2nd gen body lift is a bit under $300 but if you look around you can find one for just over $200. Or you can use the early 2nd gen body lift (basically the same kit minus the lift bracketry for the rear bumper) which is just over $200 brand new. Again, you can save a few bucks by shopping around. (I bought a brand new body lift kit unused for my '96 (RIP) for less than $100 when I had it.)

The rear shackles will run you anywhere from $75-$140 brand new. Once again, you can find some unused brand new ones cheaper if you shop around. (Seeing a pattern here?

) I just bought a pair of unused brand new 2" shackles for $60 shipped. I don't know how much an AAL (Add A Leaf) is as I've never priced one.

The Tbar crank is free if you don't count the alignment afterwards. You should have an alignment done every few years regardless so count that cost in as regular maintenance.

Total lift for the mystery lift is approximately 3 1/2" front and 4" rear.

You may have to trim your fenders slightly if you go with the aftermarket wheels unless they are the same width and backspacing as stock. Nothing wrong with stock wheels, m8.

AForlizzi · 10-26-2009, 04:20 PM

thanks for all the info! Since i have a regular cab truck would i have to do some kind of trimming to the shifter or something? (saw something in another thread about that). i just turned 16 and this s10 is my first vehical i paid 750
$ for it with a 4.3l v6 vortex 5 speed 86,000mi. I plan on buying the cragar soft 8's eilther way and i just want to do between a 3-4" lift not to much so it doesnt look outta place. i didnt want to do to much trimming. could you help me out with a parts list for the mystery lift?
thanks alot again.

AForlizzi · 10-26-2009, 06:20 PM

AForlizzi · 10-26-2009, 06:25 PM

Heres a picture of the truck. i forgot to mention that it had dual exhaust and a tonogue cover. i want to take the decals off that run along the bottom of the truck.

96superflow · 10-26-2009, 07:05 PM

dang that looks like its 2wd, just by the wheels. Ill bet yours is a manual shift yeah? No problems with that, actually its better. Heres what you do. I imagine you want to run what 31s maybe like that other guy on here and run narrow 33s? Do a 3" body lift, crank the t-bars(plenty of threads on how you do that to a safe right to get the 1.5 inchs), and add some lift shackles in the rear. It will be plenty for 31s and you wont have to regear your axles. I would also talk to Joey at 4wd Factory, a vendor for s10 forum, and he can hook you up with a 2" lift kit from Rough Country, which was what i was going to get before i decided to go solid front axle swap. That will give you about 5" with the body lift, and it will be plenty.

AForlizzi · 10-26-2009, 08:31 PM

yup its a 5 speed.. i didnt really want to get a 3" BL i was going to go with a 2" BL with the 2" rough Country suspension lift.Im planning to get the cragar soft 8's and yup i wanted to run 31's. any suggestion on what size cragars i should get? i wanted to get the bfg all terrian tires any input on them?

96superflow · 10-27-2009, 05:57 AM

How much off roading do you do? nothing too serious i hope? if not, the bfgs will suffice for the most part. When i said floor shift, i meant the transfer case. We had a blazer with the same wheels and it was a manual shift transfer case, that the only reason i stated that it looked 2wd.

AForlizzi · 10-27-2009, 07:02 AM

i dont plan on doing alot of offroading but i will be doing some. im not sure about the transfer case. would 31's be like a 235x70 or what? sorry im new to the whole tire thing lol.

96superflow · 10-27-2009, 01:34 PM

nah deff not. I think they are 28's but im only doing that from memory. You can mess around with metric tire conversions, just type it in to google. I know the tires on my tahoe are 31s and they are 265 70 r16, thou. Those BFG tires would be good tires for you. 31 x 10.50 on a 15" rim.

AForlizzi · 10-27-2009, 03:41 PM

i know i will have a 2inch BL by next month i prolly wont have money for the Suspension lift or which ever route i go until summer with a 2" body lift and 15" cragars which tires would be a good size?

96superflow · 10-27-2009, 04:12 PM

i put 31s on mine, and with the cragars you wont have to worry rubbing the frame if they stick out any. You may have to do some fender trimming to get them so that they wont rub when you flex or turn a and hitting a bump.

AForlizzi · 10-27-2009, 06:40 PM

i was thinkin about getting 30's for now and savve up for a suspension lift and when i need new tires get 31's and 2"SL what do you think?

96superflow · 10-27-2009, 09:41 PM

i wouldn't even bother with 30s, purchase the body lift and 31s then do the 2" suspension. If you get the off-set cragars, you might not even rub the body. That would be what i would do.

Or you can cut all that IFS shit out and throw in a solid axle!

AForlizzi · 10-28-2009, 06:59 AM

ha i doubt im going to be going sfa anytime soon. the thing is im going to be getting the wheels and bl like within the next month and i need new tires. and i wont be able to purchase the suspension lift for a while. would i be able to run 31's with just a 2"BL? i know it will rub but if its not much at all ill be fine

96superflow · 10-28-2009, 07:16 AM

Yeah man, you should be able to run 31s no problem. That what i had on my blazer, 2" body and 31s on the stock wheels. I only rubbed the frame since i had no offset. It may at times hit your fender, but they are few and far between.

AForlizzi · 10-28-2009, 03:51 PM

alright sounds good. im going with the cragar soft 8's, should i go with 15x8's or what size?

96superflow · 10-28-2009, 04:09 PM

thats all ya need for a 10.50 wide tire.

AForlizzi · 10-29-2009, 07:03 AM

i found 4 15x8 soft 8's for 250 with caps and lug nuts 4.75 bolt pattern and 4 in backspacing off ebay it says typically fit chevy s10 . is 4.75 polt pattern and 4" backspacing what i need?

Sammytheorangutan · 10-29-2009, 08:57 AM

You can buy them brand new with center caps (lug nuts are cheap) for less than $200 shipped from Summit.

montec · 10-29-2009, 03:33 PM

He's a link to my thread on lifting. I tried to get as specific as I could.

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f220/l...y-blaz-410860/

AForlizzi · 11-02-2009, 05:43 PM

Does anyone know the width of the factory wheels on my truck? they are 15" wheels they are in the picture above.

Baggey22 · 11-02-2009, 11:11 PM

Should be 15x7" rims

AForlizzi · 11-03-2009, 07:01 AM

do you kno of anywhere on the internet where i can find the exact size

Sammytheorangutan · 11-03-2009, 08:06 AM

www.fifteenbyseven.com

AForlizzi · 11-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Do you know which size lug nuts i would need? would these work ? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MC...0/?image=large

montec · 11-04-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AForlizzi

Do you know which size lug nuts i would need? would these work ? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MC...0/?image=large

They are metric so I dont think those will work for you. Will find out the size again as I think all s-10's are the same.

10-23-2009, 11:10 AM	#1
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Few Questions Im new to this forum and was wondering what IFA and SFA stand for? i have a 98 4x4 regular cab s10 i was looking to lift it and was wondering if anyone had any pics of thier regular cab lifted. Thanks
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10-23-2009, 02:48 PM	#2
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions go to the liftin it general section. there is a thread on there that explains all of them. But IFS is Independent Front Suspension and SFA is Solid Front Axle.
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10-23-2009, 05:38 PM	#3
GeorgesBlazah Slap my meat on your pita Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7,504 Location: south jersey User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f220/l...s-rigs-375230/ Youll find a ton of pics there.
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10-25-2009, 04:48 PM	#4
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions I was looking to do a 2" rough country suspension lift im not sure if i want to do a body lift.. i dont want to lift it to much so it doesnt look right. would a body lift be required to run 31's? will there be any rubbing with just the 2" SL?
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10-25-2009, 07:45 PM	#5
Sammytheorangutan Registered User Age: 42 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 784 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Don't do the 2" suspension lifts. All they do is crank the Tbars more than they should. With the mystery lift (Tbar crank, rear shackles or AAL and 2" body lift) you can run 31x10.50x15s on stock rims with very little rubbing on the frame (at full lock) and generally no rubbing on the fenders. If you use aftermarket wheels (with less backspacing), you won't rub the frame but you'll probably have to trim the fenders to keep from rubbing.
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10-25-2009, 07:56 PM	#6
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i was planning on buying the cragar soft 8's. How much money would be spent doing the mystery lift you think? and how much total lift is there including the 2" BL?
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10-25-2009, 08:59 PM	#7
Sammytheorangutan Registered User Age: 42 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 784 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Less than $400. Much less than that if you shop around and/or get creative. The late 2nd gen body lift is a bit under $300 but if you look around you can find one for just over $200. Or you can use the early 2nd gen body lift (basically the same kit minus the lift bracketry for the rear bumper) which is just over $200 brand new. Again, you can save a few bucks by shopping around. (I bought a brand new body lift kit unused for my '96 (RIP) for less than $100 when I had it.) The rear shackles will run you anywhere from $75-$140 brand new. Once again, you can find some unused brand new ones cheaper if you shop around. (Seeing a pattern here? ) I just bought a pair of unused brand new 2" shackles for $60 shipped. I don't know how much an AAL (Add A Leaf) is as I've never priced one. The Tbar crank is free if you don't count the alignment afterwards. You should have an alignment done every few years regardless so count that cost in as regular maintenance. Total lift for the mystery lift is approximately 3 1/2" front and 4" rear. You may have to trim your fenders slightly if you go with the aftermarket wheels unless they are the same width and backspacing as stock. Nothing wrong with stock wheels, m8. Last edited by Sammytheorangutan : 10-25-2009 at 09:01 PM.
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10-26-2009, 04:20 PM	#8
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions thanks for all the info! Since i have a regular cab truck would i have to do some kind of trimming to the shifter or something? (saw something in another thread about that). i just turned 16 and this s10 is my first vehical i paid 750 $ for it with a 4.3l v6 vortex 5 speed 86,000mi. I plan on buying the cragar soft 8's eilther way and i just want to do between a 3-4" lift not to much so it doesnt look outta place. i didnt want to do to much trimming. could you help me out with a parts list for the mystery lift? thanks alot again.
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10-26-2009, 06:20 PM	#9
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions edit Last edited by AForlizzi : 10-26-2009 at 06:26 PM.
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10-26-2009, 06:25 PM	#10
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Heres a picture of the truck. i forgot to mention that it had dual exhaust and a tonogue cover. i want to take the decals off that run along the bottom of the truck.
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10-26-2009, 07:05 PM	#11
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions dang that looks like its 2wd, just by the wheels. Ill bet yours is a manual shift yeah? No problems with that, actually its better. Heres what you do. I imagine you want to run what 31s maybe like that other guy on here and run narrow 33s? Do a 3" body lift, crank the t-bars(plenty of threads on how you do that to a safe right to get the 1.5 inchs), and add some lift shackles in the rear. It will be plenty for 31s and you wont have to regear your axles. I would also talk to Joey at 4wd Factory, a vendor for s10 forum, and he can hook you up with a 2" lift kit from Rough Country, which was what i was going to get before i decided to go solid front axle swap. That will give you about 5" with the body lift, and it will be plenty.
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10-26-2009, 08:31 PM	#12
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions yup its a 5 speed.. i didnt really want to get a 3" BL i was going to go with a 2" BL with the 2" rough Country suspension lift.Im planning to get the cragar soft 8's and yup i wanted to run 31's. any suggestion on what size cragars i should get? i wanted to get the bfg all terrian tires any input on them?
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10-27-2009, 05:57 AM	#13
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions How much off roading do you do? nothing too serious i hope? if not, the bfgs will suffice for the most part. When i said floor shift, i meant the transfer case. We had a blazer with the same wheels and it was a manual shift transfer case, that the only reason i stated that it looked 2wd.
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10-27-2009, 07:02 AM	#14
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i dont plan on doing alot of offroading but i will be doing some. im not sure about the transfer case. would 31's be like a 235x70 or what? sorry im new to the whole tire thing lol.
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10-27-2009, 01:34 PM	#15
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions nah deff not. I think they are 28's but im only doing that from memory. You can mess around with metric tire conversions, just type it in to google. I know the tires on my tahoe are 31s and they are 265 70 r16, thou. Those BFG tires would be good tires for you. 31 x 10.50 on a 15" rim.
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10-27-2009, 03:41 PM	#16
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i know i will have a 2inch BL by next month i prolly wont have money for the Suspension lift or which ever route i go until summer with a 2" body lift and 15" cragars which tires would be a good size?
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10-27-2009, 04:12 PM	#17
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i put 31s on mine, and with the cragars you wont have to worry rubbing the frame if they stick out any. You may have to do some fender trimming to get them so that they wont rub when you flex or turn a and hitting a bump.
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10-27-2009, 06:40 PM	#18
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i was thinkin about getting 30's for now and savve up for a suspension lift and when i need new tires get 31's and 2"SL what do you think?
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10-27-2009, 09:41 PM	#19
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i wouldn't even bother with 30s, purchase the body lift and 31s then do the 2" suspension. If you get the off-set cragars, you might not even rub the body. That would be what i would do. Or you can cut all that IFS shit out and throw in a solid axle!
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10-28-2009, 06:59 AM	#20
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions ha i doubt im going to be going sfa anytime soon. the thing is im going to be getting the wheels and bl like within the next month and i need new tires. and i wont be able to purchase the suspension lift for a while. would i be able to run 31's with just a 2"BL? i know it will rub but if its not much at all ill be fine
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10-28-2009, 07:16 AM	#21
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Yeah man, you should be able to run 31s no problem. That what i had on my blazer, 2" body and 31s on the stock wheels. I only rubbed the frame since i had no offset. It may at times hit your fender, but they are few and far between.
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10-28-2009, 03:51 PM	#22
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions alright sounds good. im going with the cragar soft 8's, should i go with 15x8's or what size?
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10-28-2009, 04:09 PM	#23
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,346 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions thats all ya need for a 10.50 wide tire.
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10-29-2009, 07:03 AM	#24
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions i found 4 15x8 soft 8's for 250 with caps and lug nuts 4.75 bolt pattern and 4 in backspacing off ebay it says typically fit chevy s10 . is 4.75 polt pattern and 4" backspacing what i need?
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10-29-2009, 08:57 AM	#25
Sammytheorangutan Registered User Age: 42 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 784 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions You can buy them brand new with center caps (lug nuts are cheap) for less than $200 shipped from Summit.
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10-29-2009, 03:33 PM	#26
montec Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,318 Location: North Dakota User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions He's a link to my thread on lifting. I tried to get as specific as I could. http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f220/l...y-blaz-410860/
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11-02-2009, 05:43 PM	#27
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Does anyone know the width of the factory wheels on my truck? they are 15" wheels they are in the picture above.
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11-02-2009, 11:11 PM	#28
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,100 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Should be 15x7" rims
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11-03-2009, 07:01 AM	#29
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions do you kno of anywhere on the internet where i can find the exact size
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11-03-2009, 08:06 AM	#30
Sammytheorangutan Registered User Age: 42 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 784 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions www.fifteenbyseven.com
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11-03-2009, 05:12 PM	#31
AForlizzi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 28 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Do you know which size lug nuts i would need? would these work ? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MC...0/?image=large Last edited by AForlizzi : 11-03-2009 at 05:17 PM. Reason: spellin
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11-04-2009, 12:03 AM	#32
montec Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,318 Location: North Dakota User is: OffLine	Re: Few Questions Quote: Originally Posted by AForlizzi Do you know which size lug nuts i would need? would these work ? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MC...0/?image=large They are metric so I dont think those will work for you. Will find out the size again as I think all s-10's are the same.
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