WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups???

turbobandit · 10-22-2009, 02:37 PM

Ok, for all the guys who have an LSx swap. DO YOU HAVE WHEEL HOP?

1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear.... all i have is WHEEL HOP.... i'm talking massive hop, like my trucks' going to break.

My setup:
~Ford 8.8 swap
~Traciton bars (top mounted)
~275 tires on c5 wagon wheels
~3.73 gears, posi
~T56 trans.

I HAVE NO sway bar in the rear (truck didnt come with one)

I used to have 2" lowering blocks... i took them out, same issue...
I unbolted the traction bars... Same issue
I tightened the traction bars, so they act the same as Slide a links... Same issue!!!!!

Next step is going to a 4 link, and ditching the leaf springs~~~!!!!!!

But i was thinking... what if i kept the leaf springs, and just did the top portion of the 4 link, and just added the 2 link system w/ leaf springs?

Anyone have some helpful info on a 4 link on an s10 with an 8.8 rear? springs used? junk yard parts? jonny joints?

s10-den · 10-22-2009, 03:41 PM

Make sure your shocks are good, you will be suprised...

90blueS10 · 10-22-2009, 03:51 PM

Keep the leafs but build some ladder bars. i think thats the name for them

FKNBMPN · 10-22-2009, 04:34 PM

What do you mean the traction bars are top mount?

generics10 · 10-22-2009, 04:49 PM

Get rid of those "traction bars" and go with cal-tracs or slide-a-links. What is your pinion angle? Shocks will def help!

LS2Sonoma · 10-22-2009, 07:18 PM

i make too much power, my tires never get a chance to hop... they just spin all the time

you just need more power

zx9rgreen · 10-22-2009, 07:26 PM

^^^^^

Iroc-10 · 10-22-2009, 07:48 PM

I don't know if you have ever seen the show "Gears" with Stacy David, but he just did a ladder bar setup on a '60 Dodge truck with leafs and a 5xx cubic in Hemi. He used the Comp Engineering ladder bars, some universal trans mount as a front mount for the ladder bars and some kind of floating bracket under neath. You may be able to find it online to watch. He said he got all the parts from Summit I believe. Looked really easy, easier than a 4 link, and worked well. Caltracs are also nice, but hang down.

Daveman2 · 10-22-2009, 07:50 PM

honestly I think in the end the only way to really get what you want is a link setup, that's why sports cars with solid axles (5.0, camaro), usually have link systems

bitchin sonoma · 10-22-2009, 08:05 PM

remember bandit i told you i am sellign my competition engineering slide a links.

KJF95S-10 · 10-22-2009, 08:09 PM

Turn up the boost, spin the tires faster. Problem solved.

s106banger · 10-22-2009, 08:20 PM

i have never heard of top mounted traction bars.

you can do a 4 link with leaf springs, but your axle needs to be able to move back and forward on the leaf, or everything will just bind up.

i plan on building a custom set of traction bars for my truck, ones that dont hang so low and are the right size. traction bars almost always cure wheel hop as long as its setup right, no universal stuff.

yz85608 · 10-22-2009, 08:25 PM

heres what you do, just put in a full back half like what is in marty truck aka syborg

**NCRides** · 10-22-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bitchin sonoma

remember bandit i told you i am sellign my competition engineering slide a links.

there you go....buy them they work way better than traction bars and they don't put strain on you bushings like ladder bars do... when a leaf spring compress's the distance from the front to the axle increases, ladder bars don't compensate but slide a links do

turbobandit · 10-22-2009, 10:01 PM

That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops.

if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends.

Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop??

Xtremechubs · 10-22-2009, 10:07 PM

it looks like your set up would put your suspension in a bind if you think about it.

zx9rgreen · 10-22-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbobandit

That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops.

if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends.

Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop??

I have never experienced wheel hop with my stock suspension until I was getting 1.9 sixties with drag radials at the track. I never had ANY kind of wheel hop on the streets. I figured it to be the pinion angle being way out. But even then I could do 2nd gear burnout from a dead stop and never experience any kind of wheel hop. The truck is also equiped with the 3rd hop shock factory.

Daveman2 · 10-22-2009, 10:25 PM

JTR blocks that set the axle back and have angled shims for better pinion?
I know I have wheel hop bad so hopefully this will help

97ls1s10 · 10-22-2009, 11:13 PM

you can either get better tires so they dont spin so they dont hop....or get shitty tires so they just spin freely like mine.

LS2Sonoma · 10-22-2009, 11:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 97ls1s10

....or get shitty tires so they just spin freely like mine.

aw, you just gave away my secret

01cherryreds10 · 10-22-2009, 11:19 PM

I'd say try putting some new shocks on and find a take-off hop shock from a ZQ8. Worst that can happen is your wheels will still hop.

97ls1s10 · 10-22-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LS2Sonoma

aw, you just gave away my secret

lol only thing that sucks is passing someone and u start spining lol.but i hate wheel hop my mustang hops like a motha fuka

1fast4by · 10-22-2009, 11:34 PM

Mine hops pretty damn bad in 2wd, Ive even hopped off the entire tailgate, twice. I've figured out how to stop it by letting the clutch slip slightly at the very first part of the RPMs when launching, I can still spin the tires violently, and smoke them all day...

But then..

I permanently corrected it by using 4wd...

postal · 10-22-2009, 11:55 PM

Cal tracs are your friend ,Best money Ive ever spent

s106banger · 10-23-2009, 12:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbobandit

That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops.

if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends.

Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop??

there is no way that does anything for you. take those off, i bet it doesnt ride very nice.

AmericanMuscle · 10-23-2009, 12:07 AM

the top traction bars are poor design compared to the below the axle bars, a torque arm or ladder bar setup would also be a better design.

the reason that the top bars dont work right is because its the spring that flexes. the spring flexing gives you poor traction and wheel hop.

get a set of good shocks, as mentioned before it makes a big difference, also make sure your pinion angle is right or it can kill any traction, and can also break your setup.

go on here and ask a few questions,
http://s10racer.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=11
there is alot of good info and good people on that site, and its specialized to racing so they will be able to help you better then most any of us.

AmericanMuscle · 10-23-2009, 12:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by s106banger

there is no way that does anything for you. take those off, i bet it doesnt ride very nice.

this guy has the right idea. the axle twists up in the opposite direction of the wheel. this setup would only benifit your traction in reverse. the idea behind raction bars is to keep the axle in the right position while under stress. the lower part is what is going to keep your axle steady, in your setup the lower link is a spring that is meant to flex. with your setup the leaf will bend when put under stress, worse yet it will spring back and result is wheel hop which as you know results in broken parts.

if I had a pen and paper and were right next to you I could make this alot clearer, but I hope you get the idea.

01cherryreds10 · 10-23-2009, 01:28 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle

this guy has the right idea. the axle twists up in the opposite direction of the wheel. this setup would only benifit your traction in reverse. the idea behind raction bars is to keep the axle in the right position while under stress. the lower part is what is going to keep your axle steady, in your setup the lower link is a spring that is meant to flex. with your setup the leaf will bend when put under stress, worse yet it will spring back and result is wheel hop which as you know results in broken parts.

if I had a pen and paper and were right next to you I could make this alot clearer, but I hope you get the idea.

So basically as the pinion climbs up the ring gear under accelleration, the top bars he has tries to bring it back down, and it's basically a pinion vs bar war and the result is wheel hop? I'm just trying to understand this.

So-GT0071 · 10-23-2009, 02:46 AM

Back half it. You know you want to.

I back halved mine. It made me poor!

Least I don't wheel hop though....

wikd · 10-23-2009, 06:43 AM

the above people talking about the upper traction bar are right... that set up will only add more wheel hop under hard acceleration... it does nothing to stop what actually causes wheel hop...

wheel hop is caused by the pinion trying to climb the ring gear and causing the housing to roll... the spring then warps into an s... the spring then reverts to its arched shape and that violent return to normal is what causes the wheels to leave the ground = wheel hop...

my old s10 was not an ls swap but i was making 560 rwhp and never had an issue with wheel hop at the track or on the streets...

I used slide a links and had 2" blocks... i was running a ford 9" with edelbrock ias shocks (worst shocks i have ever used)

a lot of people knock slide a links and think they are junk... but i found that in most cases it was because they were not adjusted right... and by right im not talking about how the factory tells you to adjust them... i spent many a long weekend at the track making adjustments to them in quarter turn increments until i found the perfect set up for my truck...

and that was 2.5 turns past contact on the drivers side and 3 turns on the passenger side... worked great for my lil 427 small block...

KJF95S-10 · 10-23-2009, 09:00 AM

I just have 3" drop leafs and 2" blocks and 10" wide tires on my 5.3 and it doesnt really hop at all. When you look at the burnout marks at the very end you can tell where it skipped some but you cant even feel it. Now when I had the stock leafs in there it would hop so violently the truck almost got airborne.lol I think the drop leafs actually helped with the hop.

generics10 · 10-23-2009, 09:46 AM

http://www.calvertracing.com/

I guarantee you that those leaves with cal tracs will be a better set up than a $150 4link from ebay. Check out the site and look at the 60' times. Black X can run low 9s on leaves....

sdimedan01 · 10-23-2009, 09:55 AM

http://www.competitionengineering.co...s/chassis2.asp

here is a good link on why wheel hop happens and what you can do about it. You traction bar doesn't do anything for you because the bar just provides a pivot point for the axle to pivot around. I am looking into designing a torque arm, similar to a camaro, for my truck as my engineering design 3 project. I want to use a diff plate from the sd 3-link and run the torque arm parallel to the driveshaft on the exhaust side. Then either tie it to the tranny cross member or make its own cross member to double as a frame stiffener.

sdimedan01 · 10-23-2009, 09:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by KJF95S-10

Now when I had the stock leafs in there it would hop so violently the truck almost got airborne.lol I think the drop leafs actually helped with the hop.

I have belltech leaves, 2inch blocks and setback plates. my 2.2 5-speed can make the tires hop no problem. the stock leaves are better because they are stiffer and have more leaves in the pack

yz85608 · 10-23-2009, 10:09 AM

dont me to whore the thread, but the comp engineering slide a links say they are only for 83-00
is there any difference from 00-03?

sdimedan01 · 10-23-2009, 11:46 AM

All s10s have the same rear suspension

**Kampz69** · 10-23-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by

I permanently corrected it by using 4wd...

best answer by far

turbobandit · 10-23-2009, 12:54 PM

This weekend, i'm giong to completely remove the upper links and see what happens.

I've been thinking two options~ I dont want to mess with constant adjustment with caltraks, So i'm either going to go 4 link with upper triangulated bar... OR... figure some way to put in a torque arm that doubles as a driveshaft hoop, and goes up to my Tranny cross member

90blueS10 · 10-23-2009, 01:01 PM

Just give it to me, and you wont have wheel hop anymore

rentedmule · 10-23-2009, 01:20 PM

A heavy leaf-pack is probably the worst way to eliminate wheel hop but it does work. I have the Z85 option with 5 leafs+overload - It's an extremely stiff setup but even with 3" blocks and 295's in the rear it won't hop (the truck was S/C'd at some point too so it wasn't always for lack of power). The down side for drags is that weight transfer is also totally eliminated.

Bubash · 10-23-2009, 02:25 PM

My truck was doing the exact same thing through 3rd as well, couldnt get on it without the truck bucking like crazy, I had traction bars from summit put on and POW! instant wheel spin!

zx9rgreen · 10-23-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by turbobandit

This weekend, i'm giong to completely remove the upper links and see what happens.
I've been thinking two options~ I dont want to mess with constant adjustment with caltraks, So i'm either going to go 4 link with upper triangulated bar... OR... figure some way to put in a torque arm that doubles as a driveshaft hoop, and goes up to my Tranny cross member

To complicated......many guys are running 1.4 sixtys on leaf springs and caltracs/slide-a-link. This guy is on the gm 8.5 with caltracs and is leaving hard.

http://www.slammed98gmc.com

2000extemeturbo · 10-23-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Bubash

My truck was doing the exact same thing through 3rd as well, couldnt get on it without the truck bucking like crazy, I had traction bars from summit put on and POW! instant wheel spin!

That's what I'm going to do. $60 or so for traction bars compared to the cost of caltracs is a pretty easy choice for me.

AmericanMuscle · 10-23-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10

So basically as the pinion climbs up the ring gear under accelleration, the top bars he has tries to bring it back down, and it's basically a pinion vs bar war and the result is wheel hop? I'm just trying to understand this.

the top bars dont do much of anything, as the pinion tries to climb the leaves give and let it climb, the upper bars cant stop that. if the spring was on top and the bar on the bottom it would work right because the leaves wouldn't streatch and the bars wouldnt give. the idea is to keep the axle from twisting at all, while getting the pinion as close to 0 degrees as possible.

s106banger · 10-23-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle

this guy has the right idea. the axle twists up in the opposite direction of the wheel. this setup would only benifit your traction in reverse. the idea behind raction bars is to keep the axle in the right position while under stress. the lower part is what is going to keep your axle steady, in your setup the lower link is a spring that is meant to flex. with your setup the leaf will bend when put under stress, worse yet it will spring back and result is wheel hop which as you know results in broken parts.

if I had a pen and paper and were right next to you I could make this alot clearer, but I hope you get the idea.

i just finished my high performance steering and suspension class at school, we just went over all of these things.

i love using what i learn in real life.

02dime · 10-24-2009, 03:16 PM

never had a problem since i put my slide-a-links

LS2Sonoma · 10-24-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 02dime

never had a problem since i put my slide-a-links

you dont make enough power to spin the tires

Wishiwerfishinn · 10-24-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s106banger

i just finished my high performance steering and suspension class at school, we just went over all of these things. i love using what i learn in real life.

yea, but dont try and explain anything to turbobandit b/c his "real world" experience is much better than any info you can learn in a class dedicated to suspension design and setup. (been there done that)

and fyi turbobandit, your not going to just fix your wheelhop problem by just putting any style 4-link on your truck... there is wayyyyyyyyyy more adjusting you have to do w/ a 4 link to get it working correctly compared to cal-tracs or slide a links.

sure you can get a 150$ kit on ebay... but thats just what your going to get... a 150$ rear suspension thats going to perform like crap.

turbobandit · 10-24-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Wishiwerfishinn

yea, but dont try and explain anything to turbobandit b/c his "real world" experience is much better than any info you can learn in a class dedicated to suspension design and setup. (been there done that)

and fyi turbobandit, your not going to just fix your wheelhop problem by just putting any style 4-link on your truck... there is wayyyyyyyyyy more adjusting you have to do w/ a 4 link to get it working correctly compared to cal-tracs or slide a links.

sure you can get a 150$ kit on ebay... but thats just what your going to get... a 150$ rear suspension thats going to perform like crap.

Ha, are you sassing me? or the classroom guy?

Oh, and the 150$ 4 link kit is ONLY the heim joints and weld on threaded ends. all the bars/mounts etc, i'd have to make

INSTEAD of messin with my suspension, i went ahead and started to chop up my front bumper! Eliminated the bottom plastic part, and extended the metal bumper 6". More room for the intercooler!

^But that's a different thread for when i'm done with it... I'm covered in paint, and my face is UV burnt from tack welding.

BUT THE BUMPER IS SEXY!

SO, the verdict is that Swap bars will not help prevent wheel hop at all?
I'm going to remove my "traction" bars now anyway.
What i don't get, is that these are the FACTORY traction bars from the explorer. They were attatched to the explorer 8.8 axle when i pulled it from the junk yard. I set it up the same exact way. Strange it didn't work.

1fast4by · 10-24-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Kampz69

best answer by far

still spins, still gets squirly. Just doesnt hop...Just imagine tq steer and counter steering at the same time...kind of snakes through 1st and second. But, no hop

I bent my last set of traction bars. I have cal-tracs now. But 4wd>2wd launch

10-22-2009, 02:37 PM	#1
turbobandit Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 386 Location: User is: OffLine	WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Ok, for all the guys who have an LSx swap. DO YOU HAVE WHEEL HOP? 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear.... all i have is WHEEL HOP.... i'm talking massive hop, like my trucks' going to break. My setup: ~Ford 8.8 swap ~Traciton bars (top mounted) ~275 tires on c5 wagon wheels ~3.73 gears, posi ~T56 trans. I HAVE NO sway bar in the rear (truck didnt come with one) I used to have 2" lowering blocks... i took them out, same issue... I unbolted the traction bars... Same issue I tightened the traction bars, so they act the same as Slide a links... Same issue!!!!! Next step is going to a 4 link, and ditching the leaf springs~~~!!!!!! But i was thinking... what if i kept the leaf springs, and just did the top portion of the 4 link, and just added the 2 link system w/ leaf springs? Anyone have some helpful info on a 4 link on an s10 with an 8.8 rear? springs used? junk yard parts? jonny joints?
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10-22-2009, 03:41 PM	#2
s10-den takes 2 balls in our game Age: 37 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,708 Location: florida User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Make sure your shocks are good, you will be suprised...
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10-22-2009, 03:51 PM	#3
90blueS10 Calico 1st Gen Age: 17 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,101 Location: Ottawa, Kansas User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Keep the leafs but build some ladder bars. i think thats the name for them
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10-22-2009, 04:34 PM	#4
FKNBMPN Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 47 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? What do you mean the traction bars are top mount?
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10-22-2009, 04:49 PM	#5
generics10 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 266 Location: columbia city, indiana User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Get rid of those "traction bars" and go with cal-tracs or slide-a-links. What is your pinion angle? Shocks will def help!
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10-22-2009, 07:18 PM	#6
LS2Sonoma Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,031 Location: edmonton, alberta, canada User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? i make too much power, my tires never get a chance to hop... they just spin all the time you just need more power
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10-22-2009, 07:26 PM	#7
zx9rgreen On da bottle Age: 32 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,239 Location: Wetumpka, AL User is: Online	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? ^^^^^
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10-22-2009, 07:48 PM	#8
Iroc-10 Registered User Age: 39 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 278 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? I don't know if you have ever seen the show "Gears" with Stacy David, but he just did a ladder bar setup on a '60 Dodge truck with leafs and a 5xx cubic in Hemi. He used the Comp Engineering ladder bars, some universal trans mount as a front mount for the ladder bars and some kind of floating bracket under neath. You may be able to find it online to watch. He said he got all the parts from Summit I believe. Looked really easy, easier than a 4 link, and worked well. Caltracs are also nice, but hang down.
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10-22-2009, 07:50 PM	#9
Daveman2 Road Racing Blazer Age: 22 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,977 Location: San Francisco, CA User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? honestly I think in the end the only way to really get what you want is a link setup, that's why sports cars with solid axles (5.0, camaro), usually have link systems
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10-22-2009, 08:05 PM	#10
bitchin sonoma he,he,he project over kil Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,589 Location: Benton harbor, Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? remember bandit i told you i am sellign my competition engineering slide a links.
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10-22-2009, 08:09 PM	#11
KJF95S-10 Two tones of terror Age: 19 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 546 Location: Tampa, FL User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Turn up the boost, spin the tires faster. Problem solved.
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10-22-2009, 08:20 PM	#12
s106banger i need a paint job Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,165 Location: Medina/UNOH User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? i have never heard of top mounted traction bars. you can do a 4 link with leaf springs, but your axle needs to be able to move back and forward on the leaf, or everything will just bind up. i plan on building a custom set of traction bars for my truck, ones that dont hang so low and are the right size. traction bars almost always cure wheel hop as long as its setup right, no universal stuff.
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10-22-2009, 08:25 PM	#13
yz85608 Blue-X Age: 19 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 619 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? heres what you do, just put in a full back half like what is in marty truck aka syborg
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10-22-2009, 08:55 PM	#14
NCRides Senior Member Age: 53 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 360 Location: Amesbury Mass User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by bitchin sonoma remember bandit i told you i am sellign my competition engineering slide a links. there you go....buy them they work way better than traction bars and they don't put strain on you bushings like ladder bars do... when a leaf spring compress's the distance from the front to the axle increases, ladder bars don't compensate but slide a links do
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10-22-2009, 10:01 PM	#15
turbobandit Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 386 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops. if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends. Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop??
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10-22-2009, 10:07 PM	#16
Xtremechubs WTF!!!! Age: 24 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 225 Location: OKC User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? it looks like your set up would put your suspension in a bind if you think about it.
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10-22-2009, 10:22 PM	#17
zx9rgreen On da bottle Age: 32 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,239 Location: Wetumpka, AL User is: Online	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by turbobandit That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops. if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends. Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop?? I have never experienced wheel hop with my stock suspension until I was getting 1.9 sixties with drag radials at the track. I never had ANY kind of wheel hop on the streets. I figured it to be the pinion angle being way out. But even then I could do 2nd gear burnout from a dead stop and never experience any kind of wheel hop. The truck is also equiped with the 3rd hop shock factory.
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10-22-2009, 10:25 PM	#18
Daveman2 Road Racing Blazer Age: 22 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,977 Location: San Francisco, CA User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? JTR blocks that set the axle back and have angled shims for better pinion? I know I have wheel hop bad so hopefully this will help
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10-22-2009, 11:13 PM	#19
97ls1s10 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 440 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? you can either get better tires so they dont spin so they dont hop....or get shitty tires so they just spin freely like mine.
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10-22-2009, 11:19 PM	#21
01cherryreds10 Tim loves his doritos Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,231 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? I'd say try putting some new shocks on and find a take-off hop shock from a ZQ8. Worst that can happen is your wheels will still hop.
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10-22-2009, 11:20 PM	#22
97ls1s10 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 440 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by LS2Sonoma aw, you just gave away my secret lol only thing that sucks is passing someone and u start spining lol.but i hate wheel hop my mustang hops like a motha fuka
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10-22-2009, 11:34 PM	#23
1fast4by I'll need human lives... Age: 26 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,380 Location: Green Hills/Nashville User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Mine hops pretty damn bad in 2wd, Ive even hopped off the entire tailgate, twice. I've figured out how to stop it by letting the clutch slip slightly at the very first part of the RPMs when launching, I can still spin the tires violently, and smoke them all day... But then.. I permanently corrected it by using 4wd...
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10-22-2009, 11:55 PM	#24
postal The photo terrorist Age: 100 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,140 Location: up shits creek User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Cal tracs are your friend ,Best money Ive ever spent
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10-23-2009, 12:02 AM	#25
s106banger i need a paint job Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,165 Location: Medina/UNOH User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by turbobandit That is my current setup. I'm not really a fan of the caltracs... I'm pushing 440hp right now, and soon to be over 600. i have PLENTY of power to spin the tire... but instead it just VIOLENTLY hops. if i got caltracs/slide a links.... to me it seems like it would be way more expensive than a 4 link. Ebay and summit have the 4-link kits for about 150 bucks, and i can weld together and measure the rods myself. just weld on the ends. Do the guys w/ just an LSx swap, and plain old leaf springs have any hop?? there is no way that does anything for you. take those off, i bet it doesnt ride very nice.
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10-23-2009, 12:07 AM	#26
AmericanMuscle its just greg Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,658 Location: az User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? the top traction bars are poor design compared to the below the axle bars, a torque arm or ladder bar setup would also be a better design. the reason that the top bars dont work right is because its the spring that flexes. the spring flexing gives you poor traction and wheel hop. get a set of good shocks, as mentioned before it makes a big difference, also make sure your pinion angle is right or it can kill any traction, and can also break your setup. go on here and ask a few questions, http://s10racer.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=11 there is alot of good info and good people on that site, and its specialized to racing so they will be able to help you better then most any of us.
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10-23-2009, 12:20 AM	#27
AmericanMuscle its just greg Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,658 Location: az User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by s106banger there is no way that does anything for you. take those off, i bet it doesnt ride very nice. this guy has the right idea. the axle twists up in the opposite direction of the wheel. this setup would only benifit your traction in reverse. the idea behind raction bars is to keep the axle in the right position while under stress. the lower part is what is going to keep your axle steady, in your setup the lower link is a spring that is meant to flex. with your setup the leaf will bend when put under stress, worse yet it will spring back and result is wheel hop which as you know results in broken parts. if I had a pen and paper and were right next to you I could make this alot clearer, but I hope you get the idea.
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10-23-2009, 01:28 AM	#28
01cherryreds10 Tim loves his doritos Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,231 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle this guy has the right idea. the axle twists up in the opposite direction of the wheel. this setup would only benifit your traction in reverse. the idea behind raction bars is to keep the axle in the right position while under stress. the lower part is what is going to keep your axle steady, in your setup the lower link is a spring that is meant to flex. with your setup the leaf will bend when put under stress, worse yet it will spring back and result is wheel hop which as you know results in broken parts. if I had a pen and paper and were right next to you I could make this alot clearer, but I hope you get the idea. So basically as the pinion climbs up the ring gear under accelleration, the top bars he has tries to bring it back down, and it's basically a pinion vs bar war and the result is wheel hop? I'm just trying to understand this.
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10-23-2009, 02:46 AM	#29
So-GT0071 Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 239 Location: Arizona User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Back half it. You know you want to. I back halved mine. It made me poor! Least I don't wheel hop though....
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10-23-2009, 06:43 AM	#30
wikd Registered User Age: 41 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 40 Location: Knoxville tn User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? the above people talking about the upper traction bar are right... that set up will only add more wheel hop under hard acceleration... it does nothing to stop what actually causes wheel hop... wheel hop is caused by the pinion trying to climb the ring gear and causing the housing to roll... the spring then warps into an s... the spring then reverts to its arched shape and that violent return to normal is what causes the wheels to leave the ground = wheel hop... my old s10 was not an ls swap but i was making 560 rwhp and never had an issue with wheel hop at the track or on the streets... I used slide a links and had 2" blocks... i was running a ford 9" with edelbrock ias shocks (worst shocks i have ever used) a lot of people knock slide a links and think they are junk... but i found that in most cases it was because they were not adjusted right... and by right im not talking about how the factory tells you to adjust them... i spent many a long weekend at the track making adjustments to them in quarter turn increments until i found the perfect set up for my truck... and that was 2.5 turns past contact on the drivers side and 3 turns on the passenger side... worked great for my lil 427 small block...
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10-23-2009, 09:00 AM	#31
KJF95S-10 Two tones of terror Age: 19 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 546 Location: Tampa, FL User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? I just have 3" drop leafs and 2" blocks and 10" wide tires on my 5.3 and it doesnt really hop at all. When you look at the burnout marks at the very end you can tell where it skipped some but you cant even feel it. Now when I had the stock leafs in there it would hop so violently the truck almost got airborne.lol I think the drop leafs actually helped with the hop.
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10-23-2009, 09:46 AM	#32
generics10 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 266 Location: columbia city, indiana User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? http://www.calvertracing.com/ I guarantee you that those leaves with cal tracs will be a better set up than a $150 4link from ebay. Check out the site and look at the 60' times. Black X can run low 9s on leaves....
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10-23-2009, 09:55 AM	#33
sdimedan01 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84 Location: Windsor, CT/ Nashua, NH User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? http://www.competitionengineering.co...s/chassis2.asp here is a good link on why wheel hop happens and what you can do about it. You traction bar doesn't do anything for you because the bar just provides a pivot point for the axle to pivot around. I am looking into designing a torque arm, similar to a camaro, for my truck as my engineering design 3 project. I want to use a diff plate from the sd 3-link and run the torque arm parallel to the driveshaft on the exhaust side. Then either tie it to the tranny cross member or make its own cross member to double as a frame stiffener.
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10-23-2009, 09:57 AM	#34
sdimedan01 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84 Location: Windsor, CT/ Nashua, NH User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? Quote: Originally Posted by KJF95S-10 Now when I had the stock leafs in there it would hop so violently the truck almost got airborne.lol I think the drop leafs actually helped with the hop. I have belltech leaves, 2inch blocks and setback plates. my 2.2 5-speed can make the tires hop no problem. the stock leaves are better because they are stiffer and have more leaves in the pack
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10-23-2009, 10:09 AM	#35
yz85608 Blue-X Age: 19 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 619 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? dont me to whore the thread, but the comp engineering slide a links say they are only for 83-00 is there any difference from 00-03?
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10-23-2009, 11:46 AM	#36
sdimedan01 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84 Location: Windsor, CT/ Nashua, NH User is: OffLine	Re: WHEEL HOP!!!!! ugh.... Your Setups??? All s10s have the same rear suspension
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