Swap time......finally

[Dmarsh525]

Quote: Originally Posted by andrew69_04

The truck needs to be tuned for the cam and exhaust setup etc. It runs pretty decent but im only getting about 16mpg or so with 3.08's and a very light foot so it needs some work. As for power....all i can say is this whole thing was worth it. I get tons of looks, and u can turn the tires whenever you want them to. now all i need is traction and some of these POS mustang guys around here are going to get there ass handed to them by an s10.

Haha yea i went to the airport pickin someone up one time and this guy was smokin a cigarette saw my truck idling was like hey man that the new 2007??? he about dropped his jaw when i said it was a 2000...

[Fkns10]

alright. You need to post a detailed list of what you did to the wiring harness. I get the whole reprogram of the computer, i know somebody who can do that. But as far as wires... Im not have clue

[andrew69_04]

Its actually pretty simple, just waste lots of time looking through and following wires. Basically, you need to put switched power to all pink wires, constant power to orange wires, ground all black wires. You will have to wire up relays to run your electric fans which use only 1 wire from the ECM for each relay. You have to hook oil pressure wire to the truck harness, clutch pedal position (CPP) switch, a few cruise control wires, Data bus wire(s), i think there is an A/C request wire from the truck that will need hooked up if you run a/c, you will have to run wires to a plug under the truck for the fuel level, fuel tank pressure, etc.

Honestly its just a time consuming job. a plug in harness would have saved me probably 8 hours of dicking around and would have made life a whole lot easier. Also, i still have a few problems with lights on my dash telling me i left something unhooked up somewheres. (Brake light and ABS light).

[Fkns10]

so basically get the diagrams and figure it out? I'm willing to spend 8 hours instead of $800. I'm getting the harness with the engine, so...

[the_dam_man]

Quote: Originally Posted by black2002ls

On that xmember. You added the plate to the rear to extend it for the mounting point and then notched it for the bottom of the trans?

Anyone looked into doing a tubular unit?

on my T56 swap (behind a 4.3L right now) I cut the center 10" or so out of the crossmember, slide it back the 3 inches or so (just mocked it up under the truck) and welded it all back up. used some plate to make some gussets to tie it all back together and smooth it and it came out pretty good (for a 110V cheap ass welder and working in the parking lot at the apartment building)

[black2002ls]

thanks for the comment on the x-member.

I know you went from a 4.3L so some of this may or may not apply. I'll be going from a 2.2L 5spd to the LSx T56. Will I need to change anything out, as far as the clutch is concerned?

[andrew69_04]

Not that i know of, should be the same as a 4.3 but im not 100% sure about that

[andrew69_04]

opps, double post

[bitchin sonoma]

coming out nice, i just finish pulling the stock 4 crapper out, i just need to pop in the ls1 in.

[BudRacing]

Quote: Originally Posted by black2002ls

thanks for the comment on the x-member.

I know you went from a 4.3L so some of this may or may not apply. I'll be going from a 2.2L 5spd to the LSx T56. Will I need to change anything out, as far as the clutch is concerned?

I think you'll need a heavier duty clutch. I don't know too much about clutches, but I believe they're rated for RPM and Power handling capabilities.

[s10-den]

yea, the stock s10 clutch wont work.Just get a stock ls1 t56 camaro clutch.The stock s10 clutch master works fine.

[black2002ls]

I was mainly referencing the hydraulic parts. I knew the clutch wouldn't work.

[boomertime]

excellent pics...and ideas for traction so u can get a accurate timeslip?
also is your body similiar in layout to a 97?
Ultimately id like to go this route once i get my boat squared away and ready to start throwing money at the s10.

[Kampz69]

Quote: Originally Posted by boomertime

also is your body similiar in layout to a 97?

yea, the frames are the same from 94 up. the wiring will be different.

[s10-den]

Quote: Originally Posted by black2002ls

I was mainly referencing the hydraulic parts. I knew the clutch wouldn't work.

thats what I thought,had me wondering for a sec..ha

[s10-den]

andrew, you get this dialed in yet as far as tuning?Hows is been running if you have drivin it yet?

[andrew69_04]

Sorry for the lack of updated guys.

I drive the truck to work every day. needs a tune for the cam/exhaust etc but seems to run pretty decent. only getting about 15-18 mpg with the t56 and 3.08's and thats with pretty slow driving. Am planning a trip to the track here in about a month but i have recently ran into a problem.

Under hard acceleration, i cannot shift from 2nd-3rd. I completely lose my clutch pedal. i can go to neutral but then have to pump the pedal about 5-6 times and then i can go into 3rd. under normal driving conditions it works great. Im thinking my problem is the slave since it has 83K miles on it. Planning on putting in a better clutch and slave here in the next month or 2 so i can make it to the track to see what this thing can do. Also have been looking into going to a 3.73 gear and some discs for my 8.5" rear.

[Kampz69]

that 3.73 will make a huge difference. you could always go with 4.10's

[BudRacing]

4.10's is supposedly the great rear end gear to match with the T56 and its tall 6th gear.
You should be getting about 10 more mpg than you're getting now. Get that thing tuned!

[jnoehl]

my 2 cents, get reid of the hydraulic clutch, put a cable on there, i did that, i cant stand hydraulic clutches, they have absolutley no feel to them, and yeah, you should still be getting much better mpg than that. have you not got it tuned yet? cause even with my 4.10's i only cut like 1950 rpm @75mph, and i average around 24mpg

[andrew69_04]

No tune yet. Im trying to save up some money. wanting to go to a diff gear in the rear and also some rear disc's. My buddys 01 SS just put out 395 rwhp tonight on the dyno and i have just a little more duration on the cam and a better intake so hopefully i can see about 410 rwhp or so. Really looking more for the mileage.

[s10-den]

yea but you dont have any good headers ,do you???on that hydraulic deal, what line did you use?Lets hear what it sounds like andrew

[jnoehl]

a cam only ls1 making 395rwhp, thats pretty high, does it have different heads?

[andrew69_04]

his camaro is a 01 SS, factory ls6 intake, SLP lid w/ K&N filter, pacesetter 1 3/4 lt's with an ORY, and the factory SLP dual dual catback. The cam is a 224/228 @.050 .578/.588 lift on a 114LSA. The heads are 241's that were milled .010 and he did a custom home port job on them, thats it.

Basically the same as my s10 setup except for my headers suck compared to him, i have the BBK intake and 80MM TB, and also my cam is a 228/232 @.050 .590/.578 lift on a 112LSA. hoping i can put down 400+ at the rear tires, thats if my clutch will hold and my POS factory 8.5" posi doesnt blow up on me by then

[andrew69_04]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10-den

yea but you dont have any good headers ,do you???on that hydraulic deal, what line did you use?Lets hear what it sounds like andrew

Im just running the sanderson 1.5" shorties. On the clutch im using the factory 2003 S10 clutch master and line, using the 02 trans am clutch, T/O bearing, and slave with 80K on them. the clutch was never bled, but it works great whtn driving around normally. only problem is winding it up through 1st and 2nd, cant get a 3rd gear shift.

Im going to save a few pennies up and go to the 4.10's, a new posi unit, a twin disc clutch setup and new bearing and slave cylinder. that should get me all set for the dyno and track.

[SoLowXtreme]

have u thought of using the LS7 clutch ?

[andrew69_04]

I've thought about it, just heard the LS7 is pretty heavy mass to have on the back of your motor. Not sure what im going to do yet.

[nastynova62]

get you a spec stage3. thats what my buddy with a t56 chevelle is running and hes makin about 500 and launches at 4500 on m/t drag radials and it hooks like mad!!!.... and doesnt slip

[SoLowXtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by andrew69_04

I've thought about it, just heard the LS7 is pretty heavy mass to have on the back of your motor. Not sure what im going to do yet.

thats what use here at the shop, and they hold up GREAT...are 1 customer put the LS7 clutch and Ls1 flywheel first time at the track ripped the driveshaft into 3 pieces & screwed up the Ring Gear in his 12-Bolt it bit so hard wit stickies

[BudRacing]

Quote: Originally Posted by nastynova62

get you a spec stage3. thats what my buddy with a t56 chevelle is running and hes makin about 500 and launches at 4500 on m/t drag radials and it hooks like mad!!!.... and doesnt slip

That'll wear out your knee on a daily

[andrew69_04]

Well, im tearing into it again. updating to the LS2 timing set and a TSP ported LS6 oil pump. Going to get a clutch and slave too. Then its off to the tuners and down the drag strip. hopefully i can post a few pics of the timing chain/oil pump swap.

If i would have been smart i would have done it when i had the motor all tore down.

[s10-den]

thats sucks...you just getting a new slave just because?

[andrew69_04]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10-den

thats sucks...you just getting a new slave just because?

No, ever since i put the truck together under high rpm shifts (2nd-3rd) i totally lose the pedal once i push it to the floor. I have to pump it about 5-6 times to get a pedal back and be able to put it in gear. My fluid was really black when i looked today and it was clean when i started telling me it has to be the slave. clutch is starting to slip under load on takeoffs. Just need to dump about another $1500 in the dam truck and it should be good to go for awhile

[zx9rgreen]

I lose the clutch pedal also while running hard in 1,2,3 gears. I read on LS1 tech that chevy released a service bulletin that the brake fluid should be changed every 2 years. It appears the fluid will boil and loose pressure. Mine comes back after a few seconds. I never bled my system and the slave fitting was open to the elements so I figured the system has some moisture in it. Im going to pull a vacuum and swap the system to a dot 5 high temp fluid and see if that fixes the problem.

Also have you figured out the ABS light yet? Mine will come on and off.

[andrew69_04]

I got all my wiring done. only thing that doesnt work on my truck is my overhead console. And the security light will come on all the time. My ABS light was on becuase i didnt have the yellow/black VSS wire to the ABS module hooked into the ECM. I believe it goes to pin 49 on the Red connector if i can remember right.

As for the clutch pedal, i just changed the fluid in the reservior last night and it was some nasty black shit. Im sure the whole system could use a good flush and im pretty certain i have some air in it right at the slave since i had it apart.

[andrew69_04]

Just bought a new waterpump with the short pully, and a 25% underdrive balancer.

[zx9rgreen]

Quote: Originally Posted by andrew69_04

Just bought a new waterpump with the short pully, and a 25% underdrive balancer.

I installed the summit racing UD pulley when I changed my cam. What brand did you get? I had to get a belt 2.5" shorter than the stocker to fit.

[AmericanMuscle]

I love your build!

I'm looking into getting the bbk intake and was wondering if its really alot better then the ls6, got any opinions?

I also see you have a cable throttle instead of a fbw setup, did you have to do anything to change that out? I know cable setups are alot cheaper but I thought that there was something needed to swap from one to the other.

and I dont know if i missed it, but did you have any head work done?

[andrew69_04]

i home ported my 853's i had. As for teh balancer i went with the summit balancer. thanks for the info on the belt. that sucks...another $30+ for a belt..i just bought a new one too....damnit

[BudRacing]

Would this be of any interest to you?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=902103

[s10-den]

andrew, the short waterpump,is that a ls2 pump or?How much more room did it give you?

[andrew69_04]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10-den

andrew, the short waterpump,is that a ls2 pump or?How much more room did it give you?

Yeah, its the LS2 pump. It should give me at least 1.5" more clearance. The nice part is by having a vette balancer i can move my alternator brackets and stuff back (had it spaced for the f-body balancer).

Also got a new clutch on the way as well as an aluminum flywheel.

[zx9rgreen]

Quote: Originally Posted by andrew69_04

Yeah, its the LS2 pump. It should give me at least 1.5" more clearance. The nice part is by having a vette balancer i can move my alternator brackets and stuff back (had it spaced for the f-body balancer).

Also got a new clutch on the way as well as an aluminum flywheel.

what brand clutch/flywheel do have coming?

[andrew69_04]

Well, i was going to go with spec, then i saw this setup on ebay and i offered the guy $200 less than his asking price and he sold it....so now i have this clutch that i have heard is decent enough for a DD street vehicle. the brand is LUK pro gold performance. they make all the clutches for GM LS6/LS7 stuff so i have confidence in it. it retails for $850 from what i have found...got it for $450

[AmericanMuscle]

nice!

I'll be looking around for good deals, I started ordering go-fast parts for my truck and am currently at 1175 for cam-heads and timing set. plus I got better heads then I expected to get and need a cam upgrade.