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Old 03-11-2012, 02:55 PM   #1
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Shifter wiring help

Ive added a Bravada console and auto shifter to my 99 Sonoma originally 5-speed truck. Does anyone know the normal location of the plug for the wiring harness? Im hoping its there and these trucks wiring harness are not specific to the engine/trans combo originally built with. Any help is appreciated.

Otherwise Im going to have to do the zip tie mod for the shift lock selenoid lolz.
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:15 PM   #2
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Re: Shifter wiring help

Try this...http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f200/h...-pickup-56361/

I just used the ziptie.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

Sorry man but there is no plug for the floor shifter on the 5-speed trucks. I put a bravada floor shifter in my 97 LSx truck that was originally a 2.2 5-speed. It wasn't that bad.

For some reason I didn't document how I wired mine up but screw that whole zip tie ghetto mod. Mine is hooked up to where the shift lock releases when I press the brake pedal, the dimmer switch on the dash controls the lights in the console, the park/neutral safety works, ect...

I know I hooked up the brake lockout wire to that switch above the brake pedal, easy to do. I wired the park neutral safety into the wires that used to go to the clutch switch since they are inline to the starter. So power is only provided to the old clutch wires when the shifter is in park or neutral. The black wire is just grounded and the gray is run to the radio dimmer wire since I wasn't using it.

All in all, it's easy to wire it up and be functional without having to zip tie stuff.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

Just because someone does something different doesnt mean its ghetto.

I did the zip tie lockout because when I work on my truck I dont wanna get in & get everything dirty just to shift it.

Nobody drives my truck but me & all I have to do is cut the ziptie & it will work again.
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sorry man, I didn't mean it to come out like it sounded. Just the wrong use of a word on my part.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

shoot zip ties are holding my truck together lol. jk i do use the piss out of them under the hood though for vac lines and wires b4 i loom.
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Its cool. I just hated getting into my seats when my backside was all dirty from laying under the truck & tied it up one day & have never undone it.

You can still hear the solenoid click if I push the brakes when in park.

It is pretty easy to hook up & looks good when the light is working.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

you can splice it in to the column switch. That is what I did.

Here is the shifter plug diagram and the location of the column shift switch.
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Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
you can splice it in to the column switch. That is what I did.

Here is the shifter plug diagram and the location of the column shift switch.

Thanks A million! BTW - That coating you put on your headers is perfect. I wish I had kept them now lol.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

those bastards are a tight fit! THANK YOU
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How did you get this to work? The wires on the column solenoid (dark green/white - black) supply power when the brake pedal is NOT applied, and remove power when the brake IS applied. The solenoid on the floor shifter needs to work in the opposite fashion. Did you tap into something else besides those 2 wires going to the column solenoid? The connector on the floor shifter has 5 pins. Do some of those need to be connected to something?

I'd rather not resort to tapping into the brake light switch as this would activate the solenoid every time the brake is pressed, wearing out the solenoid, whereas the wiring on the column only works when the shifter is in park.

Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
you can splice it in to the column switch. That is what I did.

Here is the shifter plug diagram and the location of the column shift switch.
Old 06-09-2012, 04:31 PM   #12
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I spliced every wire where it woukd have been if the jimmy came with a floor shifter, one at the brake switch, a few at the column and some over on the passenger side. if yu want i can track down all of the splices.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

I got it working. The column solenoid was a 2 wire setup whereas the console solenoid requires 3 wires to work.

Instead of using the green/black on the column, I tapped into the one by the brake, and also tapped the green/white. So pins A,B and E on the pic you provided is what was required.

This would have been easier if I had a harness. Thanks for posting the pic. I was zip tied before and always wanted to get it working properly.
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I also got the column lock switch and it plugs in to the. light green/ white harness on the column
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Did the whole 5 speed to 4L60e with a floor shift ever get resolved? Cause that's what I'm doing in my truck... Would be great if I could figure it out ahead of time
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Re: Shifter wiring help

Can the lock switch be swapped from a floor shift column to a non-floor shift column? After removing my old shifter from the column, the key can be removed in any gear. The lock was purely mechanical.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
you can splice it in to the column switch. That is what I did.

Here is the shifter plug diagram and the location of the column shift switch.
Where did you tap into for yellow wire for the key release in park only?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Rhotpursuit
Where did you tap into for yellow wire for the key release in park only?
im looking for this info also!?!?!?!?!?
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Quote: Originally Posted by crazydayz
im looking for this info also!?!?!?!?!?
I taped in to it at the base of the column, so the wires go from shifter assembly to the column base and tap in to wires from the old column based park neutral switch and one wire from the brake switch. I can get more specific, but it will take me a few days to go over the diagrams again.
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Re: Shifter wiring help

That would be a big help...thx.
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That would be amazing!!!!
I swapped to a tilt column during my v8 swap and the new one has the electric key release....
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ok, I will add all of the shifter swap info. I swapped all parts including the little . It was Lets start with a shot of the connector pin out at the floor shifter. A,B,C,D,E,F below correspond to image 1 below.

A-blk to ground

B-lt grn/blk to BTSI fuse for fused power in the fuse block. Easy to splice in at E on the TCC/ stop lamp switch in image 2

C-yel to A9 on image 3, be sure to slice behind the connector at the column base, that way the column can be removed with out cutting wires

E- dk grn/ wht to splice in to F on the TCC/ stop lamp switch (image 2). Its on the brake pedal base. You can also spice E and B in image 1 together because they both go to the fused BTSI power wire, as seen in image 4

F- pnk to fused output OFF/RUN/CRANK I spliced mine at c203 pin K4, this wont work for 97-down trucks because of the difference. Any fused output will do with OFF/RUN/CRANK




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The yellow wire in question is C on the connector.



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I might be missing something...I deleted the netural safty switch with the old trans.think that has something to do with it?
My console came stock and everything works.I had to wire the shift thing to a keyed switch....
Thanks for all the help.
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Quote: Originally Posted by crazydayz
That would be amazing!!!!
I swapped to a tilt column during my v8 swap and the new one has the electric key release....
Was the tilt column from a column shift? can you send me a pick of the column keys side with the cover off.
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Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
Was the tilt column from a column shift? can you send me a pick of the column keys side with the cover off.
I'll take the pics tomorrow,the tilt column was from a floor shift or stick..I can't remember.
it has the electronic switch and the wires for the key release.
I even plugged it back into the harness my non tilt was plugged into.
What sends the key release its signal? It's it + or -? Once in park or how could I hook it up?
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Quote: Originally Posted by crazydayz
I'll take the pics tomorrow,the tilt column was from a floor shift or stick..I can't remember.
it has the electronic switch and the wires for the key release.
I even plugged it back into the harness my non tilt was plugged into.
What sends the key release its signal? It's it + or -? Once in park or how could I hook it up?
your talking about the white switch solenoid that plugs in to the column by the ignition?
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Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
your talking about the white switch solenoid that plugs in to the column by the ignition?
Yeah the key release,I have to manually push it...its got 2 wires ..how would i hook it up to work?
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give me a few and ill look up the diagrams and see what I can come up with.
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Thanks a million man you rock!!!!!
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Quote: Originally Posted by crazydayz
I might be missing something...I deleted the netural safty switch with the old trans.think that has something to do with it?
My console came stock and everything works.I had to wire the shift thing to a keyed switch....
Thanks for all the help.
do you have anything hooked to the brake switch?
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Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
give me a few and ill look up the diagrams and see what I can come up with.
I'm guessing that's what the yellow wire from the shifter harness is for?? That's the only wire I have left to connect. As it sits now, I can remove my key while it's in gear.
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this diagram shows from the shifter YEL to the park lock solenoid on the column. I just notice some of the diagrams I posted above are for column shift and floor shift, but they all show the same functions and circuits. Let me know if this helps. If not I can call you and we can talk about it over the phone. I trouble shoot better that way sometimes.

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Quote: Originally Posted by moon509
do you have anything hooked to the brake switch?
No,the only thing I did at the brake stitch was wire a turn key power signal to the shift thing n the console.
Thanks again for putting in time to help out.!
Also I don't have a the neutral safty switch anymore. Completeley removed it.
Looks like the yellow wire goes to the green and white one.
How's the solenoid work? Stay locked with power or release with power? Does it work off the ground signal? Sorry for all the questions.
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GM description

Ignition Lock System Description

All vehicles equipped with a column-mounted shift lever contain both mechanical and electrical neutral safety start systems. These systems rely on a mechanical block as well as an electrical switch in order to prevent starting the engine in any gear other than PARK or NEUTRAL.

The mechanical block is a wedge-shaped lock bolt that is added to the ignition switch actuator rod.

In either PARK or NEUTRAL, the wedge-shaped lock bolt passes through the slots in the shift bowl and lock bolt allows the lock cylinder to turn and start the engine.
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