Security? Getting close to finishing...

Christobevii3 · 12-19-2007, 05:58 PM

I finally have gotten some time now that the semester for college is done to finish things up. I got almost everything hooked up to where I can crank it over, plug in the computer, hook up a battery, and upload the programmers computer program and...

Security! Won't turn over or anything, just says that when I try to turn the key to start it (cd player works that is in there?). Is the computer expecting an onstar radio or something, what gives?

Christobevii3 · 12-19-2007, 07:09 PM

Also, this is the only connector i haven't found a home for, any clues?

camaro1 · 12-19-2007, 09:42 PM

unless you want to pay to advertise keep in in pms please

91sonomast · 12-19-2007, 10:16 PM

you need a new edit to get rid of security, that appears to be a A.I.R. pump connector, the black and red is what u usually see with a AIR. where is it in the harness, what kinda harness is it? what kinda motor, that will help me figure out what it is

Christobevii3 · 12-20-2007, 01:29 AM

God damn it! So i guess I have to mail my computer back to current performance since he didn't take that out like he said? It is a 5.3L i started in march because I was suppose to get the damn wiring harness then but it didn't show up for another month and a half.

So now I'm going to have to mail the computer back off while I'm on break for christmas when I have time to do it before I'm back at college since I didn't get stuff in time last time.

And I bet you are right on the smog pump, it would have been right there with my 4.3L

Here's my original thread with all the other stuff if that matters...
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f213/beginning-of-5-3l-swap-277832/

bluedragonx · 12-20-2007, 01:57 AM

That probably is the AIR connector, if it's up front at the core support on the passenger side then it's in the right place for it.

97 SS 350 · 12-20-2007, 10:35 AM

#1 security on those computers does not prevent the starter from turning over, it prevents the injectors from running.
#2. I looked at your file, and the security is shut off.

Time to look elsewhere.

Christobevii3 · 12-20-2007, 03:40 PM

Then what else could be causing a constant security light that never turns off?

andrew69_04 · 12-20-2007, 04:45 PM

i would think either a ground issue somewhere? or theres somthing that wasnt pluged in. security sucks, have problems with it on my DD, not quite sure whats causing it, but mine comes and goes. I would think how yours stays on constantly, you have something not hooked up or hooked up wrong etc, it should be something obvious when u actually find it.

Christobevii3 · 12-27-2007, 05:25 PM

Ok just paid for a tech 2 computer scan at the GM dealership. They are saying that the main computer and bcm are not talking at all and aren't compatible. They want to charge me $75 an hour to play around with different vehicles bcm programs and vin numbers to get them talking.

The is obviosly computer problem and this is what I believed I paid for with current performance. Is there something I'm missing here?

JonathanMaples · 12-27-2007, 10:48 PM

there is a relearn procedure for the vats and passkey III or passlock2 i have a 2000 5.7l 3/4ton silverado that has something wrong with the bcm and the ecm not comucating some times and trips the system and as posted earlier when the security thing shuts it down most of the time the starter will turn it over but it wont even try to fire it shuts down the injectors but it may shut down the starter as well depending on what ecm and bcm you are using. oh and the relearn procedure suks it takes like 30 mins at least assuming you do it right. its better just to have it pulled out of the system (deleted) i asked the stealership here if they would delete that option on mine and they accused me of stealing my truck so im just gonna pay someone with a programmer to delete it for me. if you wanna try the relearn procedure just email me JonathanMaples@sbcglobal.net

jeffrobaum · 12-29-2007, 06:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JonathanMaples

there is a relearn procedure for the vats and passkey III or passlock2 i have a 2000 5.7l 3/4ton silverado that has something wrong with the bcm and the ecm not comucating some times and trips the system and as posted earlier when the security thing shuts it down most of the time the starter will turn it over but it wont even try to fire it shuts down the injectors but it may shut down the starter as well depending on what ecm and bcm you are using. oh and the relearn procedure suks it takes like 30 mins at least assuming you do it right. its better just to have it pulled out of the system (deleted) i asked the stealership here if they would delete that option on mine and they accused me of stealing my truck so im just gonna pay someone with a programmer to delete it for me. if you wanna try the relearn procedure just email me JonathanMaples@sbcglobal.net

as far as I know, dealerships can't delete it, they don't have the software. it will have to be reprogrammed with another software.

JonathanMaples · 12-30-2007, 08:34 PM

update to my previous post i have found a deveice at pepboys that completly bypasses vats, passkey1, and passkey2. i bought it just to try it was 12 bucks it was orginaly made for remote starting systems but i found if you change where u put one wire it will bypass the security when u turn the key to start it. i will get the name ,model number ,and a few pics tomarrow the stuff is all in the truck i just installed today and its too dark to see right now.

Christobevii3 · 12-30-2007, 10:42 PM

Alright update guys.

I kicked it over today by manually jumpering the starter. Kicks over and runs fine. I'm not getting voltage at the purple wire on the transmission module but the fuses and relays are good under the hood. So somewhere (ignition?) it is probably stopping it.

So i have a good idea where it is. The security light did drain my battery overnight to 11.2v so thats not good either.

Bad news:
Power steering pump my dad setup isn't working (brand new one, fuck)

Also, the transmission hasn't taken more than 5 quarts. Is it suppose to pump the fluid when on or does it need to be in gear? I'm hoping it didn't get misaligned and eat itself up...

Should be done in another couple weeks. Thanks

sparkinak · 12-30-2007, 11:42 PM

Soon as you start it, it should be pumping fluid.

Christobevii3 · 12-30-2007, 11:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sparkinak

Soon as you start it, it should be pumping fluid.

I think I figured out what happened. The transmission guy that did the shift kit and corvette servo insisted i use an ls1 bellhousing since more bolts would go into the block then. What this did isn't good...

The bellhousing is longer, so long that it required me to hit my firewall more than i needed to, require me to pull my motor about 2 inches forward to get the transmission off, and is far enough forward that the input shaft isn't going in from the s10 transmission with the ls1 housing into the torque converter.

Here we go again...

sparkinak · 12-31-2007, 01:10 AM

no offense but tranny guy don't sound all that smart. Even on some of those 4x4 mags they state 1 bolt isn't the end of the world, your not putting down large enough numbers to need it. I'd put your old bell housing on and get the flex plate spacer and call it a day.

Christobevii3 · 04-22-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 97 SS 350

#1 security on those computers does not prevent the starter from turning over, it prevents the injectors from running.
#2. I looked at your file, and the security is shut off.

Time to look elsewhere.

I want to say that I've found the problem now that I had time to go over the wiring harness. The ground was never put on the relay for the starter and was found by my local mechanic.

So in short, my wiring harness was incomplete and current performance gave me no help and said it must be all my fault.

On the transmission, only a bearing in the torque converter was damaged from the bell housing mishap and all is good.

Everything is fine now and runs great, starts on the first turn. I should have the exhaust on tomorrow and a/c along with power steering finished in a week or two. Thanks everyone else for helping me through this.

guhman2002 · 04-22-2008, 07:13 PM

Gremlins are a bitch... Good to know you got everything worked out...

97 SS 350 · 04-22-2008, 10:11 PM

First off, I am very sorry for the trouble. Had we been able to trace down the wiring together on the phone, that may have saved a lot of headache.
Second, The option is always there to pull the harness off and send it back to check over if you feel it is something wrong on that end.

Lastly, we have vastly improved our quality check procedures over the last year. Nothing goes out without being checked over thoroughly by the person that built it along with a second set of eyes at the same time to try and catch any possible errors.

I hate to say no one is perfect because this is one field that can really be painful when mistakes are made.

91sonomast · 04-22-2008, 10:51 PM

i was thinking the same thing earlier when reading his latest response, it is painful and it does suck but no one is perfect, and he should have asked to have a wiring check either over the phone or sending back. i think one hitch isnt bad considering you took a drivetrain that was not intended to go be in the truck and still got it in, u came out pretty good.

andrew69_04 · 04-23-2008, 02:56 PM

starter relay wasn't grounded...doesnt the ground on the starter relay run from the fuse/relay panel to the radiator support?

From doing my swap the engine harness has nothing to do with the starter relay ground unless you got a relay center and junked the factory one.

andrew69_04 · 04-23-2008, 02:58 PM

oh and post #9 FTMFW almost 4 months ago!!

AmericanMuscle · 04-23-2008, 04:34 PM

good to hear things are getting completed.

and yes, gremlins are a bitch, and always cost stupid amounts of money to fix a simple $2 problem.

RedLsxS10 · 04-23-2008, 05:28 PM

Good to see everything coming together...looks like you have been at it for a while.
What are you running for exhaust?

Quote: Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle

and yes, gremlins are a bitch, and always cost stupid amounts of money to fix a simple $2 problem.

Aint that the truth!

Christobevii3 · 04-27-2008, 02:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by cavmattz24

Good to see everything coming together...looks like you have been at it for a while.
What are you running for exhaust?

Aint that the truth!

I was going to run a dual 2.5 in and out muffler, but it is too big on my 2dr blazer so he's running dual 2.25" flowmaster 40's since it would have taken like twice the time to use my muffler and basically be impossible with the room on the blazer he said.

I should get to test drive it this week without power steering and a/c (95 in texas already lol), so we'll see.

And yup, you win on the ground! I've left it basically during winter while I've been at college and finally took it to my local guy to fix me up and glad I did. Perfect timing with graduating college and getting rid of the beater (96 sebring convertible lol, when people drive by they keep trying to check me out like i'm a chick). Might have to drive the lt1 roadmaster for a bit though...

Christobevii3 · 04-30-2008, 04:11 PM

Ok, having one other snag. When I start the engine up cold the idle is around 3000 rpm till it warms up. I'm also told it often backfires on the first fire too.

Any ideas of what to look for? I was suggested maybe a bad plug.

72RATCAMARO · 05-01-2008, 06:01 PM

tune it.

Christobevii3 · 05-01-2008, 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 72RATCAMARO

tune it.

It is tuned. And i was misquoted on the idle. It is more like 1200rpm which I hear is from the computer needing the engine to run for about 30 minutes before it adjusts. So I think i'll wait to see if that happens as expected.

Christobevii3 · 05-02-2008, 11:26 PM

Alright, got to drive it around and there is definitely something wrong with the tune!

Upon startup it revs to 4000rpm, goes to 3000rpm then for idle in neutral and park. In gear it idles at 2000rpm and goes to 45mph by itself! If i sit on the brakes for like 5 seconds at a stop it will idle at 1200rpm.

So I guess I call current performance monday and hope they'll follow up with the tune I paid for.

97 SS 350 · 05-03-2008, 09:14 AM

Was that one of the old Predator tunes?? That's part of the reason we don't sell them anymore.
We had the same problem with everyone who changed from an electronic to cable TB and kept the DBW computer to run it all. Ask 99Bucket, his did the same thing.

We can fix it since we switched to using HP Tuners.

Christobevii3 · 05-03-2008, 09:27 AM

Yes it is!

So what needs to happen to get it fixed?

97 SS 350 · 05-03-2008, 10:25 AM

I am still dealing with the aftermath of those stupid Predators...
We need to get the computer back and I can fix it and have it out usually the next day. The Predator will still work, but what we do is change the program with HP Tuners initially, then load that changed file in to the Predator after everything else is done.

12-19-2007, 05:58 PM	#1
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Security? Getting close to finishing... I finally have gotten some time now that the semester for college is done to finish things up. I got almost everything hooked up to where I can crank it over, plug in the computer, hook up a battery, and upload the programmers computer program and... Security! Won't turn over or anything, just says that when I try to turn the key to start it (cd player works that is in there?). Is the computer expecting an onstar radio or something, what gives?
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12-19-2007, 07:09 PM	#2
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Also, this is the only connector i haven't found a home for, any clues?
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12-19-2007, 09:42 PM	#3
camaro1 Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 300 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... unless you want to pay to advertise keep in in pms please Last edited by orangesonoma : 05-03-2008 at 02:45 PM.
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12-19-2007, 10:16 PM	#4
91sonomast Good Bye SonomaST Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 5,606 Location: Jacksonville, FL User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... you need a new edit to get rid of security, that appears to be a A.I.R. pump connector, the black and red is what u usually see with a AIR. where is it in the harness, what kinda harness is it? what kinda motor, that will help me figure out what it is
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12-20-2007, 01:29 AM	#5
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... God damn it! So i guess I have to mail my computer back to current performance since he didn't take that out like he said? It is a 5.3L i started in march because I was suppose to get the damn wiring harness then but it didn't show up for another month and a half. So now I'm going to have to mail the computer back off while I'm on break for christmas when I have time to do it before I'm back at college since I didn't get stuff in time last time. And I bet you are right on the smog pump, it would have been right there with my 4.3L Here's my original thread with all the other stuff if that matters... http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f213/beginning-of-5-3l-swap-277832/ Last edited by Christobevii3 : 12-20-2007 at 01:40 AM.
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12-20-2007, 01:57 AM	#6
bluedragonx gtfo now Age: 24 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,617 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... That probably is the AIR connector, if it's up front at the core support on the passenger side then it's in the right place for it.
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12-20-2007, 10:35 AM	#7
97 SS 350 Makin Sparks Age: 30 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 949 Location: Hudson, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... #1 security on those computers does not prevent the starter from turning over, it prevents the injectors from running. #2. I looked at your file, and the security is shut off. Time to look elsewhere.
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12-20-2007, 03:40 PM	#8
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Then what else could be causing a constant security light that never turns off?
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12-20-2007, 04:45 PM	#9
andrew69_04 ls1 junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 288 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... i would think either a ground issue somewhere? or theres somthing that wasnt pluged in. security sucks, have problems with it on my DD, not quite sure whats causing it, but mine comes and goes. I would think how yours stays on constantly, you have something not hooked up or hooked up wrong etc, it should be something obvious when u actually find it.
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12-27-2007, 05:25 PM	#10
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Ok just paid for a tech 2 computer scan at the GM dealership. They are saying that the main computer and bcm are not talking at all and aren't compatible. They want to charge me $75 an hour to play around with different vehicles bcm programs and vin numbers to get them talking. The is obviosly computer problem and this is what I believed I paid for with current performance. Is there something I'm missing here? Last edited by Christobevii3 : 12-27-2007 at 05:35 PM.
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12-27-2007, 10:48 PM	#11
JonathanMaples Y would you wanna do that Age: 25 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 183 Location: south of dallas User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... there is a relearn procedure for the vats and passkey III or passlock2 i have a 2000 5.7l 3/4ton silverado that has something wrong with the bcm and the ecm not comucating some times and trips the system and as posted earlier when the security thing shuts it down most of the time the starter will turn it over but it wont even try to fire it shuts down the injectors but it may shut down the starter as well depending on what ecm and bcm you are using. oh and the relearn procedure suks it takes like 30 mins at least assuming you do it right. its better just to have it pulled out of the system (deleted) i asked the stealership here if they would delete that option on mine and they accused me of stealing my truck so im just gonna pay someone with a programmer to delete it for me. if you wanna try the relearn procedure just email me JonathanMaples@sbcglobal.net
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12-29-2007, 06:51 PM	#12
jeffrobaum Registered User Age: 32 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 56 Location: Conroe TX User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Quote: Originally Posted by JonathanMaples there is a relearn procedure for the vats and passkey III or passlock2 i have a 2000 5.7l 3/4ton silverado that has something wrong with the bcm and the ecm not comucating some times and trips the system and as posted earlier when the security thing shuts it down most of the time the starter will turn it over but it wont even try to fire it shuts down the injectors but it may shut down the starter as well depending on what ecm and bcm you are using. oh and the relearn procedure suks it takes like 30 mins at least assuming you do it right. its better just to have it pulled out of the system (deleted) i asked the stealership here if they would delete that option on mine and they accused me of stealing my truck so im just gonna pay someone with a programmer to delete it for me. if you wanna try the relearn procedure just email me JonathanMaples@sbcglobal.net as far as I know, dealerships can't delete it, they don't have the software. it will have to be reprogrammed with another software.
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12-30-2007, 08:34 PM	#13
JonathanMaples Y would you wanna do that Age: 25 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 183 Location: south of dallas User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... update to my previous post i have found a deveice at pepboys that completly bypasses vats, passkey1, and passkey2. i bought it just to try it was 12 bucks it was orginaly made for remote starting systems but i found if you change where u put one wire it will bypass the security when u turn the key to start it. i will get the name ,model number ,and a few pics tomarrow the stuff is all in the truck i just installed today and its too dark to see right now.
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12-30-2007, 10:42 PM	#14
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Alright update guys. I kicked it over today by manually jumpering the starter. Kicks over and runs fine. I'm not getting voltage at the purple wire on the transmission module but the fuses and relays are good under the hood. So somewhere (ignition?) it is probably stopping it. So i have a good idea where it is. The security light did drain my battery overnight to 11.2v so thats not good either. Bad news: Power steering pump my dad setup isn't working (brand new one, fuck) Also, the transmission hasn't taken more than 5 quarts. Is it suppose to pump the fluid when on or does it need to be in gear? I'm hoping it didn't get misaligned and eat itself up... Should be done in another couple weeks. Thanks
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12-30-2007, 11:42 PM	#15
sparkinak LSX Swapper Age: 28 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Soon as you start it, it should be pumping fluid.
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12-30-2007, 11:58 PM	#16
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Quote: Originally Posted by sparkinak Soon as you start it, it should be pumping fluid. I think I figured out what happened. The transmission guy that did the shift kit and corvette servo insisted i use an ls1 bellhousing since more bolts would go into the block then. What this did isn't good... The bellhousing is longer, so long that it required me to hit my firewall more than i needed to, require me to pull my motor about 2 inches forward to get the transmission off, and is far enough forward that the input shaft isn't going in from the s10 transmission with the ls1 housing into the torque converter. Here we go again...
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12-31-2007, 01:10 AM	#17
sparkinak LSX Swapper Age: 28 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... no offense but tranny guy don't sound all that smart. Even on some of those 4x4 mags they state 1 bolt isn't the end of the world, your not putting down large enough numbers to need it. I'd put your old bell housing on and get the flex plate spacer and call it a day.
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04-22-2008, 06:54 PM	#18
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Quote: Originally Posted by 97 SS 350 #1 security on those computers does not prevent the starter from turning over, it prevents the injectors from running. #2. I looked at your file, and the security is shut off. Time to look elsewhere. I want to say that I've found the problem now that I had time to go over the wiring harness. The ground was never put on the relay for the starter and was found by my local mechanic. So in short, my wiring harness was incomplete and current performance gave me no help and said it must be all my fault. On the transmission, only a bearing in the torque converter was damaged from the bell housing mishap and all is good. Everything is fine now and runs great, starts on the first turn. I should have the exhaust on tomorrow and a/c along with power steering finished in a week or two. Thanks everyone else for helping me through this. Last edited by Christobevii3 : 04-22-2008 at 06:55 PM.
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04-22-2008, 07:13 PM	#19
guhman2002 Nitto1320 M O D Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,507 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Gremlins are a bitch... Good to know you got everything worked out...
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04-22-2008, 10:11 PM	#20
97 SS 350 Makin Sparks Age: 30 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 949 Location: Hudson, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... First off, I am very sorry for the trouble. Had we been able to trace down the wiring together on the phone, that may have saved a lot of headache. Second, The option is always there to pull the harness off and send it back to check over if you feel it is something wrong on that end. Lastly, we have vastly improved our quality check procedures over the last year. Nothing goes out without being checked over thoroughly by the person that built it along with a second set of eyes at the same time to try and catch any possible errors. I hate to say no one is perfect because this is one field that can really be painful when mistakes are made.
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04-22-2008, 10:51 PM	#21
91sonomast Good Bye SonomaST Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 5,606 Location: Jacksonville, FL User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... i was thinking the same thing earlier when reading his latest response, it is painful and it does suck but no one is perfect, and he should have asked to have a wiring check either over the phone or sending back. i think one hitch isnt bad considering you took a drivetrain that was not intended to go be in the truck and still got it in, u came out pretty good.
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04-23-2008, 02:56 PM	#22
andrew69_04 ls1 junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 288 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... starter relay wasn't grounded...doesnt the ground on the starter relay run from the fuse/relay panel to the radiator support? From doing my swap the engine harness has nothing to do with the starter relay ground unless you got a relay center and junked the factory one.
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04-23-2008, 02:58 PM	#23
andrew69_04 ls1 junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 288 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... oh and post #9 FTMFW almost 4 months ago!!
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04-23-2008, 04:34 PM	#24
AmericanMuscle its just greg Age: 22 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,068 Location: az User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... good to hear things are getting completed. and yes, gremlins are a bitch, and always cost stupid amounts of money to fix a simple $2 problem.
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04-23-2008, 05:28 PM	#25
RedLsxS10 ^Almost^ Age: 23 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 166 Location: Eau Claire, Wisconsin User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Good to see everything coming together...looks like you have been at it for a while. What are you running for exhaust? Quote: Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle and yes, gremlins are a bitch, and always cost stupid amounts of money to fix a simple $2 problem. Aint that the truth!
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04-27-2008, 02:17 AM	#26
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Quote: Originally Posted by cavmattz24 Good to see everything coming together...looks like you have been at it for a while. What are you running for exhaust? Aint that the truth! I was going to run a dual 2.5 in and out muffler, but it is too big on my 2dr blazer so he's running dual 2.25" flowmaster 40's since it would have taken like twice the time to use my muffler and basically be impossible with the room on the blazer he said. I should get to test drive it this week without power steering and a/c (95 in texas already lol), so we'll see. And yup, you win on the ground! I've left it basically during winter while I've been at college and finally took it to my local guy to fix me up and glad I did. Perfect timing with graduating college and getting rid of the beater (96 sebring convertible lol, when people drive by they keep trying to check me out like i'm a chick). Might have to drive the lt1 roadmaster for a bit though...
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04-30-2008, 04:11 PM	#27
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Ok, having one other snag. When I start the engine up cold the idle is around 3000 rpm till it warms up. I'm also told it often backfires on the first fire too. Any ideas of what to look for? I was suggested maybe a bad plug.
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05-01-2008, 06:01 PM	#28
72RATCAMARO Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 109 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... tune it.
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05-01-2008, 06:33 PM	#29
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Quote: Originally Posted by 72RATCAMARO tune it. It is tuned. And i was misquoted on the idle. It is more like 1200rpm which I hear is from the computer needing the engine to run for about 30 minutes before it adjusts. So I think i'll wait to see if that happens as expected.
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05-02-2008, 11:26 PM	#30
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Alright, got to drive it around and there is definitely something wrong with the tune! Upon startup it revs to 4000rpm, goes to 3000rpm then for idle in neutral and park. In gear it idles at 2000rpm and goes to 45mph by itself! If i sit on the brakes for like 5 seconds at a stop it will idle at 1200rpm. So I guess I call current performance monday and hope they'll follow up with the tune I paid for.
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05-03-2008, 09:14 AM	#31
97 SS 350 Makin Sparks Age: 30 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 949 Location: Hudson, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Was that one of the old Predator tunes?? That's part of the reason we don't sell them anymore. We had the same problem with everyone who changed from an electronic to cable TB and kept the DBW computer to run it all. Ask 99Bucket, his did the same thing. We can fix it since we switched to using HP Tuners.
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05-03-2008, 09:27 AM	#32
Christobevii3 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 420 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... Yes it is! So what needs to happen to get it fixed?
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05-03-2008, 10:25 AM	#33
97 SS 350 Makin Sparks Age: 30 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 949 Location: Hudson, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Security? Getting close to finishing... I am still dealing with the aftermath of those stupid Predators... We need to get the computer back and I can fix it and have it out usually the next day. The Predator will still work, but what we do is change the program with HP Tuners initially, then load that changed file in to the Predator after everything else is done.
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