******PARTS LIST AND SWAP INFO FROM BLACK X****** LSX Swap.

[s10-den]

anyone got there ac fired up yet?Yea, I know,I need to read back through here and see who has done what lately....

[Black X]

My AC works fine

[quick93gmc]

This is an awesome post i really needed something llike this, im getting ready to swap an 01 vette ls1 into my 93! I love your truck, and whats done to the motor performance wise, and what all was involved in makeing it run 10.81 at 129? I'm shooting for mid 11's with mine, but would love for it to go faster!

[jhankinson]

My A/C works fine and is computer controlled. I think all BlackX is using is the cycling switch on the Accumulator. So I get the idle bump and all that good stuff...ICE COLD too. Either way works...just I wanted PCM control so it will kick off at wot and all that good stuff

[Black X]

Quote: Originally Posted by jhankinson

My A/C works fine and is computer controlled. I think all BlackX is using is the cycling switch on the Accumulator. So I get the idle bump and all that good stuff...ICE COLD too. Either way works...just I wanted PCM control so it will kick off at wot and all that good stuff

Mine is also fully PCM controlled. Off at WOT or above 5000rpm. Idle bump and all that fun stuff.

[jhankinson]

Ah ok my bad...for some reason I was thinking your skipped the 3wire sensor on the high pressure side. Then well I guess we both are running just fine and happy haha

[RazorS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by 99 BUCKET

Since black X got off his ass and started this tread that is much over do I guess I should add my piece.

to start here is my photo album of the swap. some names and faces have been changed to protect the innocent:

cgmerriner/truck swap - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

I started with a 05 5.3 4l60e combo. with 13k miles on it. These were going in to my 99 reg. cab s-10 (it was an xtreme in it previous life) 400 miles after getting the swap done I had to rebuild it due to trash in #6 cyclinder. I will pick up from the rebuild with the motor. but will cover what I used to get to the swap done.

Motor:

05 5.3
all new bearings, new #6 piston, thunder racing cam package using adv. dur. 265/271 lift 522/529 lobe sep. 114deg
thunder racing push rods, with new valve springs. also went to ls7 lifters(fully jacketed roller) arp head bolts.

TRUCK intake i used from an 03. I converted the motor over to cable driven TB. I blocked of the egr plate on the side of the intake. I have ha no problems with this set up.

fuel system:

I used a walbro 255 pump in the stock tank with stock fuel lines to the filter. from the filter I used the same fittings that BlackX used, this carried -6 line all the way to and from the fuel rail (I am running a returned system) I used a fuel pressure gauge that I got from ebay in the shrader valve. no problems with the fuel system as of yet (future plans commith)

cooling:

I used becools automatic s-10 aluminum rad (I live in florida) with a flex-a-lite 210 fan set up. (used on another v8 sime I had too) factory t-stat and a big tranny cooler that is mounted in front on the core support. see pictures. I dont know what hoses I used, I bent coat hanger up the ravaged the parts house. I ended up using two piece to make one. I dont like it but it works ,and if anyone else has used the truck set up and found a good upper rad hose please let me know. no temperature issues yet.

wiring:

Currentperformance, enough said!!!!!

Accessory set up:

yes, the kriptonite of the s-10 lsx swap. I used 100% all 05 truck acc. set up. the frame was notched for the ac compressor. the pw steering cleared the box, and the alternater cleared the hood (with the help of a cut off wheel to some hood bracing) now this worked because of how my motor set in there. I took a shot in the dark and hit. I AM NOT SAYING IT WILL WORK FOR EVERYONE. but if you happen to have it all try it. I dont want a bunch of people pming me saying "you said this and you said that and it did not work for me, I spent all this money because of you." that said, that is why I am typing right now, to help you from my experience of my swap.

Exaust:

99 F-body manifolds, modified. from there I used a flowmaster 2.5" universal kit with all madural bends. pieced the the exaust together myself. runs over to the passenger side, h pipes the runs throught 2 magnaflow mufflers exiting with turndowns at the rear end.

Oil Pan:

I used the truck pan, I had a friend cut 2" out of the bottom and square off the front of the pan were it dips into the oil holding area. he also modified the pickup tube.


Coil packs:

I used some off a late model truck, they are more round and if you can find them and the holding brackets you will win! I myself robbed them off a friends truck and used them on mine, these jems DO NOT require you to relocate the rear coils!

Misc. notes:

I used jegs universal tranny x member to eliminate the factory bulk one, I used JTR lsx mounts (Current performace has them) 2.8 lower mounts with poly inserts. and a poly tranny mount. 4.3 cruse and throttle cable. factory blazer console with floor shifter. all the pictures I have posted are in the link i gave at the beginning.

Future Plans:

picked up a lap top couple weeks ago and hp tuners will be on its way. time for some real world tuning. (blackX I have to pick you brain on this)

8.5 rear end of this month, getting rid of vette wheels and starting the new suspension set up.




and the video

Was your truck an original 5spd? If so what mods do I need to make to drop a 5.3 4l60e combo in. I have a 2003 zq8 4.3 5spd

[BUCKET]

2.2 5 speed


I was having issues with building to much pressure up in my ac system. it would blow cold as hell till I went and drove it. then it would blow the compressor seals. have not driven truck in weeks. been rolling my 50$ beater. just taken care of little stuff on the truck......

[Andrew9578]

Hey Guys,

I have been reading this thread for about an hour now and there are a few questions I have. First, I have a 1996 2.2L 5 Speed. I want to put a 1998 Corvette LS1 with a T56 Trans in it. I have read every thread and no one has mentioned what Bell Housing will work. Also, Besides what has already been Mentioned, is there anything else major I should know?

Thank you all for all your help,

Andrew9578

[andrew69_04]

i was lookin at some other guys swap and other than the booster clearance issue he had to notch a huge chunk out of his A/C box?? i haven't seen anyone even mention this yet. Do you have to do it or by using standard swap mounts does it clear ok?

[jhankinson]

The rear two coils using the square Fbody coils will hit both the booster and the A/C box. If you switch to the round truck style coils...you will clear...but then you have to deal with the fuel rail exiting right into the coil pack. What I did was used the round coils on the rear 2 and the square coils on the front 6. Or you can just modify the one coil to drop it down some and clear the fuel line.

[GeorgesBlazah]

Oil pans...Has anyone figured out a bolt in replacement for a 00 2wd? I saw the stuff about the 55 chevy pan, but can anyone confirm this?

[NateZQ8]

Nope, still need to modify or cut

[s10-den]

Quote: Originally Posted by jhankinson

Another note for the A/C system to add to what BlackX has put here....for those who have gotten the harness from Current Performance...he uses just a low pressure cycling switch in his harness unless told to leave the 3wire LS1 pressure switch. In order to make the LS1 function as stock...and integrate the LS1 3wire pressure switch and have fans kick on and idle bump up....if you are using the STOCK compressor (variable displacement) all you need to do is get a High Pressure line from a 96+ 2.2l S10 truck with manual air....it has a fitting for a sensor that is identical to the LS1 sensor already in line. So you just plug in the 3wire plug for the A/C sensor and it works fine...because you are using the stock Compressor. NOW....for those who do like BlackX and many others and dont want to notch the frame for A/C clearance...and use a Sanden 508 or other single wire compressor...things get a little different. You still want to retain the LS1 PCM control...you still need the 2.2l high side line and 3wire sensor for the A/C...BUT you also will need the 4.3l accumulator and cycling switch. What you do is your A/C request wire from inside the cab...you run into this cycling switch (low pressure switch on accumulator) then into the PCM. Then it cycles on and off like stock and no worries about the variable displacement garbage. So in essence it works like stock...fans turn on...everything is good. hope this helps any others.

So,If you get the sanderson compressor,tell Jared befor he does the harnes?I want the engine to bump up a little to when you turn the ac on...just having a time or two understanding that...lol(by the way,good info!)

[jhankinson]

Yes tell him what compressor you are running so he knows what plans you have for your A/C. He will either flash a truck or fbody program depending on what you wanna do. For his tune with the 3wire fbody sensor and the stock compressor of course it will use the Fbody programing. If you run a low pressure cycling switch and something like a SD-508 he will run a truck program which doesnt use the 3wire sensor. So to answer it...yes let him know EXACTLY what your plans are with the A/C so he can send it back to you correctly.

[s10-den]

gotcha....hows it been running down there Jhankinson as far at the temp,ect....mpg?whats the longest trip you been on yet?

[jhankinson]

Temp...on a hotttt day in town...210. On the highway cruising 75mph it runs about 212 constant. That both with A/C on MAX. Without A/C on in town it will run about 190 on hot day and about 180 on highway at 75mph. That is with a HD 4.3l radiator and Flex 220 fan setup. Gas mileage...well right now I am only getting about 15-17mpg average. Longest cruise was 100 miles round trip and got about 18mpg cruising at 80. I am thinking I need to tweak my tune a little. Seems kinda low mpg for 3.42 rear 27" tall tire on cruise. I was expecting at least in the 20's. Around town its still hard to keep my foot out of it cause I love the exhaust rumble. Other than that...LOVE IT! I have about 1000 well earned miles on it so far...hasnt skipped a beat yet.

[comgtsom]

ok i have a question. is there a part that hooks up to the speedo to the cable in 1 gen. or do i have to get a electric speedo. or do they even make one?

[comgtsom]

i was looking at jegs.com and i was wonder if you think this part# will work.

722-13145

[jhankinson]

You need to get a Cable X setup. It makes the 4000ppm electronic speedo signal and converts it to a cable driven speedo. You can pick them up from dif places. Look to spend like 250 or so on one though. But its the only way I know to make a cable speedo work with an electronic speedo signal

[PPI Typhoon]

There is another oilpan alternative for the 1st gen guys with a 4x4.

I just bought this oilapn from TurboTime.




It's a bit spendy at $552, but it's a bolt in item with no modifications needed.

http://www.turbotime.us/ProductDetai...000-1146598676

[jhankinson]

I wonder if this will work for a @nd Gen 4x4. How different is the 1st gen from the 2nd gen 4wd setup. I always thought they were the same...maybe a few frame dif. Would like to know...cause if it fits I might have to make a 2nd gen AWD

[Kampz69]

exactly what i want to know. how about some dimensions?

[PPI Typhoon]

I should be getting mine around the 11th according to UPS. I'd be happy to take measurements for you guys.

[Kampz69]

sweet

[PPI Typhoon]

Ok....here are the dimensions.........some are a given.....so I've included the basic measurements.


Here's a shot of the other side.

[Kampz69]

sweet....we need a separate thread with pics and dimensions of swap pans for easy comparison lol

[Black X]

Here are Most of the current LS oil pan offerings. HUGE THANKS to Philntx for doing the leg work on this.
LS7:



Hummer H3 5.3:



LS2 Corvette:



LS1 F-Body:



Holden:



GTO:



Trailblazer SS and 5.3:



Truck, Escalade, etc: 4.8, 5.3, 6.0


2007 Truck with filter:



Moroso: Gen 1 camaro ls1/6




Turbotime:



Autokraft:



Autokraft Gen 1 camaro ls1/2 swap pan:




Canton LS1 swap pan: 5 -1/2" Deep, 8 -3/4" Long, 12 -1/12" Wide sump, For a 6 -1/2 quart sytem capacity.




CTSV:




Renegade Hybrids has a Steel pan for an S10 2WD LS engine: No pic yet.

[slam]

HI, I think this is a good place for the question. lol
So here goes,... I have just started looking it to the hole LSx swap thing, and I just wanted to know what part controls the tranny? (shifting etc)....
Like would the Current Performance Wiring harness have the necessary plugs to make it work? Or do I have to use part of the trucks harness?
Sorry for the newb question. Thanks for your help. (ps 5.3 4l60e)

[Black X]

Quote: Originally Posted by slam

HI, I think this is a good place for the question. lol
So here goes,... I have just started looking it to the hole LSx swap thing, and I just wanted to know what part controls the tranny? (shifting etc)....
Like would the Current Performance Wiring harness have the necessary plugs to make it work? Or do I have to use part of the trucks harness?
Sorry for the newb question. Thanks for your help. (ps 5.3 4l60e)

Hey bro, Current performance will build the harness to plug right in to what you need. The Factory ECM will control the transmission through your Current perfomrmance harness. Shoot Jared an e mail he can give you more details. But he's the man you want to talk to if your looking for a plug and play swap.

[circa]

im glad i dont have my 5.3 in yet, now that oilpans are comming out (dont want to notch the frame)

[slam]

Quote: Originally Posted by Black X

Hey bro, Current performance will build the harness to plug right in to what you need. The Factory ECM will control the transmission through your Current perfomrmance harness. Shoot Jared an e mail he can give you more details. But he's the man you want to talk to if your looking for a plug and play swap.

Thanks for the reply man. And nice job on you swap!

[captbrakk2]

I saw the first gen 2wd blazer that had an ls2 pan without and modification to the cross member, have and 2nd gen guys done this yet? Or have any of the newer pans fit? If not does anyone have pics of their cross member notch?

[s10xtreme]

Black X your truck rocks, I have followed it since it was supercharged. Great looking and good running truck. Your swap was from a 2.2l, like mine hehehehe, did you do anything to the rear end. If so what did you do. I would love to do this swap but being in NY I have a pretty strict emissions laws. Nice truck again, easily my most favorite truck on this site.

[Black X]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10xtreme

Black X your truck rocks, I have followed it since it was supercharged. Great looking and good running truck. Your swap was from a 2.2l, like mine hehehehe, did you do anything to the rear end. If so what did you do. I would love to do this swap but being in NY I have a pretty strict emissions laws. Nice truck again, easily my most favorite truck on this site.

Wow thank you so much for the kind words.

The diff in the truck now is a currie enterprises 9+ unit. 31 Spline axels. Race Case with big bearing and race pinion support. the center section is a Detroit true-trac.

The stockers do very well though. My bro has gone 10.80 on his with a 1.54 sixty and he beats it un mercifly with only a few minor mods... Stock axels too.

[02dime]

so black x i was wondering on just doing the motor swap with all the accesories what was the bill worth,just need a general figure to go with, and $1500 for a 5.3 with under 60000k is a good deal?

[Black X]

Quote: Originally Posted by 02dime

so black x i was wondering on just doing the motor swap with all the accesories what was the bill worth,just need a general figure to go with, and $1500 for a 5.3 with under 60000k is a good deal?

Locally $1500 is about the going price. for 60K ish engines. If you look around you can find some good scores. I have had great luck with Aldon Auto salvage in Lamont.

Hard to say on cost of the swap. Things are a lot cheaper now then when I did them.

[02dime]

thanks man, well now i know 2 people in e town i can hit up for info

[02dime]

so the 4l60e in the truck will bolt right up to the 5.3 with no modifications right, i have a shift kit and servo waiting to go in but what else should i do to insure that it will handle the power, i dont really want a stall convertor cuz i wanna daily drive it in summer, any help would be great

[onequickray]

Hi Guys,
A newbie here and I find these articles perfect! You guys are awesome for taking the time to help those less knowledgeable such as myself!
Thanks!
Raymond

[Christobevii3]

Quote: Originally Posted by 02dime

so the 4l60e in the truck will bolt right up to the 5.3 with no modifications right, i have a shift kit and servo waiting to go in but what else should i do to insure that it will handle the power, i dont really want a stall convertor cuz i wanna daily drive it in summer, any help would be great

You need the flexplate spacer and a different bellhousing is a good idea so you have a few more bolts.

[02dime]

alright im starting to put all the info together between all the different threads,so for the 5.3 swap i take it the C5 package #s that black x had on the first post would be of no use, so am i better off to go with the was 99bucket did his, and has anyone found an oil pan design that needs the least amount of modification but i guess notching the frame wouldnt be bad either considering the cheap jobs on welding the frame the 8 yr old mexicans did in the factorys

[02dime]

so i can get an 01 6.0L for $1200 locally but it has 140k on it, i was wondering where to look for a rebuild kit of good quality

[comgtsom]

does any one know what type commpressor we have to use for the swap. i seen this online from this website. just dont know if it is worth it or not. but it is shot to try.


http://www.autosupplyhouse.com/pdf/AC_06.pdf

[andrew69_04]

Just curious for all that have dont there swaps, since autos and 6speeds are the same lenght, how much did you have to shorten your driveshafts? did you find one off of a different vehicle that would work? any lengths end to end on what yours ended up being?

[circa]

just know it has to be cut.

[jhankinson]

mine was shortened 1.5" but its gonna be dif on EVERY truck based on where you put the motor front to back

[black2002ls]

I'm finally biting the bullet and going balls to the wall. Starting to piece together my LSx. It will be based on a 5.3L iron block, punched out to 5.7L. I plan on doing the T-56 swap. Who has done this successfully? What parts were needed/needed to be changed in order for it to work?

Also, what mods should be done to the stock axle to add some security?

edit: forgot to mention this is all going into a 2003 Regular Cab

[jarrodh]

hey all, i found a complete 2000 ls1 from a corvette,for $6000 locally, doubt im goin to get it.. but i was wondering can it be swaped into a first gen with the stock ls1 computer/wiring harness. what else does the computer need to run to function properly, other than the motor/trans.. also can i just remove the a/c pump and braket, and not screw with the computer operation??

thanks, only 5g more to go..lol
http://victoria.craigslist.ca/pts/568316780.html

[black2002ls]

You can run an LSx without the harness. You have to eliminate the ignition system. Doing away with the coils and such and going to a distributor and carbed set up. Its been a while since I looked into all of that, I can't remember all of the parts needed.