AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l

Zq-8_dawg · 07-10-2004, 03:29 AM

I am looking into buying up a truck from work for cheap it is a 99 2.2L and the engine and trans are about gone. I want to swap to a AWD bravada drive train using a 4x4 s-10 frame and a v-8 engine. I am thinking the lt1 cause the ls1 is too wide for the frame. Also lt1's are a little cheaper. Would a 5.3L fit or is it just as wide as the ls1?

MoNkEyZQ8 · 07-10-2004, 04:55 AM

The Lingenfelter (RIP).. AWD Sonoma was an LS1 with a (I think) denali AWD T-case, and the 4l80E transmission ..

Then again, when you have a shop like that anything is possible..

ZZ4Blazer · 07-10-2004, 05:42 AM

The 5.3, LS1, 6.0... etc are all Gen III motors, all basically the same motor on the exteriour. Basically like a 305 and 350.

I know with the LS1, the oil pan is the biggest problem, at least IMO. Im not sure if there still would be interferance, since the crossmember isn't there. I know you need a 4x4 pan to clear the axle with a standard sbc, not sure if theres still an issue with the LS1 pan.

I'd probably just go with a LT1. They're getting cheaper, and a good ported set of LT1 heads can flow like madd.

Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT.

~~97s-dime4.3~~ · 07-10-2004, 11:32 AM

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Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT.

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:thumbup: Cound not remember if it was a 427 or a 454 i knew it wasn't a ls1 though

RedSpeck_09 · 07-10-2004, 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 97s-dime4.3

Quote:

Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT.

:thumbup: Cound not remember if it was a 427 or a 454 i knew it wasn't a ls1 though

actually it was a 427 ls1

ZZ4Blazer · 07-10-2004, 05:31 PM

Yeah, thats what I meant by that.

monkyboy007 · 07-11-2004, 10:47 AM

couldent you just use a osmobile bravada trasfercase. thats what ive been trying to findout. i wanna do a t-case swap and a supercharger.

HectorM52 · 07-12-2004, 08:05 AM

I realize this isn't the for sale section, but I have a 4x4 frame and AWD t-case if anyone is interested. I had planned on doing the AWD LT1 but just ran out of money (and time and patience and will etc...). Sorry to say I never got around to making the mounts up. Nevertheless, it doesn't seem to be that tough, as long as you have a 700r4 ready to handle some abuse!!!

ZQ8-97 · 07-12-2004, 01:28 PM

I dont know if anyone on here has a Bravada, maybe they could chime in but I dont think the Bravada is true all wheel drive and it probably wouldnt be a real good candidate for anything performance oriented.

SummerWolf · 07-12-2004, 02:45 PM

the smarttrak bravadas are true AWD all the time

ZQ8-97 · 07-13-2004, 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SummerWolf

the smarttrak bravadas are true AWD all the time

I dont think they are because they say the front wheels engage only when the rear is slipping which isnt true AWD like the Sy/Ty transfer case.

HectorM52 · 07-13-2004, 12:09 PM

The Bravada's have similar t-cases to the SyTy's which are AWD all the time. Possibly you are thinking of a Honda CRV? I am 90% sure of that. I had shopped around for a Bravada t-case and found out that they were the same / or similar to the SyTy's. But I ended up getting a SyTy and not having to worry about this problem.

sr_ryan1 · 07-13-2004, 12:25 PM

are yall talking about the AWD on the 99 + s-10's? arent they called an NOP8 option at the dealership?

pursuit S10 · 07-13-2004, 12:35 PM

First Gen Bravadas have the transfercase you need.

ZQ8-97 · 07-13-2004, 01:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pursuit S10

First Gen Bravadas have the transfercase you need.

Yea I know for sure that the first gen Bravadas have a T-Case similar to Sy/Ty if not the same one. However the newer Bravadas that use the 4L60E like the 97 and 98's have something different. I watched my buddy do a real wheel burnout in a 98 Bravada so either his T-Case is busted or something is up.

HectorM52 · 07-13-2004, 02:07 PM

hmm, i don't know about the newer ones. I just researched the 91-94 area.

ZQ8-97 · 07-13-2004, 02:15 PM

Well I yahooed it and found a lot of info. The 96+ Bravadas have Smart-Trac and the T-Case is made by New Venture. It detects slippage in the rear wheels and fires a solenoid that engages the front wheels. Sounds like some people have tried swapping them into Sy/Ty's to reduce drag after the launch but they tore them up real quick and is wasnt a direct bolt in.

gbaronetXCR · 07-13-2004, 10:55 PM

Have a look at http://www.usionline.net/hpm.html I've started trolling for parts the AWD deal raises a brow.
The Linkinfelter S10 did use the delani transfer case.

From syty.net

40. What kind of transfer case do the trucks have?
The BORG WARNER-4472 transfer case is a two-piece aluminum case, chain driven, viscous clutch type transfer case. This produces a system in which all wheel drive is engaged all the time. Torque is transmitted through a planetary gear set which distributes torque at a ratio of 1/3 front 2/3 rear. All wheel drive is automatic and has no external controls. The viscous clutch used in the BW-4472 is a torque distribution device and is nonserviceable. The internal construction of the viscous clutch consists of alternating plates that are connected to the front and rear outputs of the transfer case. The viscous clutch is filled with a high viscosity fluid which flows through slots in the plates. The resistance to sheer causes the plates to transmit torque.
The identificaton tag is an aluminum tag attached under one of the self tapping case bolts. The tag provides the Borg Warner part number, the General Motors part number, serial number and the build date. The information on the tag is necessary when servicing this transfer case. If the tag is removed or becomes dislodged during service operations, every attempt should be made to keep the identification tag with the unit.

07-10-2004, 03:29 AM	#1
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,577 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l I am looking into buying up a truck from work for cheap it is a 99 2.2L and the engine and trans are about gone. I want to swap to a AWD bravada drive train using a 4x4 s-10 frame and a v-8 engine. I am thinking the lt1 cause the ls1 is too wide for the frame. Also lt1's are a little cheaper. Would a 5.3L fit or is it just as wide as the ls1?
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07-10-2004, 04:55 AM	#2
MoNkEyZQ8 Wyotech = October Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,362 Location: Oshkosh Wisconsin User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l The Lingenfelter (RIP).. AWD Sonoma was an LS1 with a (I think) denali AWD T-case, and the 4l80E transmission .. Then again, when you have a shop like that anything is possible..
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ZZ4Blazer Getting faster Age: 27 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,121 Location: Akron, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l The 5.3, LS1, 6.0... etc are all Gen III motors, all basically the same motor on the exteriour. Basically like a 305 and 350. I know with the LS1, the oil pan is the biggest problem, at least IMO. Im not sure if there still would be interferance, since the crossmember isn't there. I know you need a 4x4 pan to clear the axle with a standard sbc, not sure if theres still an issue with the LS1 pan. I'd probably just go with a LT1. They're getting cheaper, and a good ported set of LT1 heads can flow like madd. Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT.
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07-10-2004, 11:32 AM	#4
~~97s-dime4.3~~ Banned Age: 26 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 499 Location: Tampa Florida User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l [QUOTE Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT. [/quote] :thumbup: Cound not remember if it was a 427 or a 454 i knew it wasn't a ls1 though
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RedSpeck_09 weatherman Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,203 Location: pensacola/tallahassee User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Quote: Originally Posted by 97s-dime4.3 Quote: Oh, and Lingenfelters truck was a 427 TT. :thumbup: Cound not remember if it was a 427 or a 454 i knew it wasn't a ls1 though actually it was a 427 ls1 Last edited by RedSpeck_09 : 07-10-2004 at 12:43 PM.
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07-10-2004, 05:31 PM	#6
ZZ4Blazer Getting faster Age: 27 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,121 Location: Akron, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Yeah, thats what I meant by that.
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07-11-2004, 10:47 AM	#7
monkyboy007 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l couldent you just use a osmobile bravada trasfercase. thats what ive been trying to findout. i wanna do a t-case swap and a supercharger.
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07-12-2004, 08:05 AM	#8
HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 362 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l I realize this isn't the for sale section, but I have a 4x4 frame and AWD t-case if anyone is interested. I had planned on doing the AWD LT1 but just ran out of money (and time and patience and will etc...). Sorry to say I never got around to making the mounts up. Nevertheless, it doesn't seem to be that tough, as long as you have a 700r4 ready to handle some abuse!!!
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07-12-2004, 01:28 PM	#9
ZQ8-97 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,213 Location: Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l I dont know if anyone on here has a Bravada, maybe they could chime in but I dont think the Bravada is true all wheel drive and it probably wouldnt be a real good candidate for anything performance oriented.
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SummerWolf Ahhhhhhhhh Satisfying!!! Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,179 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l the smarttrak bravadas are true AWD all the time
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07-13-2004, 10:51 AM	#11
ZQ8-97 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,213 Location: Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Quote: Originally Posted by SummerWolf the smarttrak bravadas are true AWD all the time I dont think they are because they say the front wheels engage only when the rear is slipping which isnt true AWD like the Sy/Ty transfer case.
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07-13-2004, 12:09 PM	#12
HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 362 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l The Bravada's have similar t-cases to the SyTy's which are AWD all the time. Possibly you are thinking of a Honda CRV? I am 90% sure of that. I had shopped around for a Bravada t-case and found out that they were the same / or similar to the SyTy's. But I ended up getting a SyTy and not having to worry about this problem.
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sr_ryan1 Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 225 Location: Tifton, Gerogia User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l are yall talking about the AWD on the 99 + s-10's? arent they called an NOP8 option at the dealership?
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pursuit S10 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 743 Location: SeMo User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l First Gen Bravadas have the transfercase you need.
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07-13-2004, 01:57 PM	#15
ZQ8-97 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,213 Location: Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Quote: Originally Posted by pursuit S10 First Gen Bravadas have the transfercase you need. Yea I know for sure that the first gen Bravadas have a T-Case similar to Sy/Ty if not the same one. However the newer Bravadas that use the 4L60E like the 97 and 98's have something different. I watched my buddy do a real wheel burnout in a 98 Bravada so either his T-Case is busted or something is up.
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HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 362 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l hmm, i don't know about the newer ones. I just researched the 91-94 area.
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ZQ8-97 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,213 Location: Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Well I yahooed it and found a lot of info. The 96+ Bravadas have Smart-Trac and the T-Case is made by New Venture. It detects slippage in the rear wheels and fires a solenoid that engages the front wheels. Sounds like some people have tried swapping them into Sy/Ty's to reduce drag after the launch but they tore them up real quick and is wasnt a direct bolt in.
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07-13-2004, 10:55 PM	#18
gbaronetXCR Registered User Age: 42 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 56 Location: Kitchener,Ontario User is: OffLine	Re: AWD V-8 what is easiest Lt1, Ls1, 5.3l Have a look at http://www.usionline.net/hpm.html I've started trolling for parts the AWD deal raises a brow. The Linkinfelter S10 did use the delani transfer case. From syty.net 40. What kind of transfer case do the trucks have? The BORG WARNER-4472 transfer case is a two-piece aluminum case, chain driven, viscous clutch type transfer case. This produces a system in which all wheel drive is engaged all the time. Torque is transmitted through a planetary gear set which distributes torque at a ratio of 1/3 front 2/3 rear. All wheel drive is automatic and has no external controls. The viscous clutch used in the BW-4472 is a torque distribution device and is nonserviceable. The internal construction of the viscous clutch consists of alternating plates that are connected to the front and rear outputs of the transfer case. The viscous clutch is filled with a high viscosity fluid which flows through slots in the plates. The resistance to sheer causes the plates to transmit torque. The identificaton tag is an aluminum tag attached under one of the self tapping case bolts. The tag provides the Borg Warner part number, the General Motors part number, serial number and the build date. The information on the tag is necessary when servicing this transfer case. If the tag is removed or becomes dislodged during service operations, every attempt should be made to keep the identification tag with the unit.
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