5.3l Swap Back from college finally!

THEKING · 08-29-2007, 01:26 PM

whats IAC?

Zerocool350 · 08-29-2007, 01:31 PM

Idle air control. its on the driver side of the thottle body

THEKING · 08-30-2007, 01:26 PM

have you talked to jared at all about it?

Zerocool350 · 08-30-2007, 01:33 PM

Yeah we are he is lost on it too. He wants me to send him my ecu and predator tuner to him so he can take a look at everything. The only problem is finding a donar 03 ecu to use.

Have you gotten your problem fixed yet?

Zerocool350 · 08-30-2007, 06:00 PM

the king, have you talked to jared any?

Evil_s10 · 08-30-2007, 06:40 PM

first try checking the fuel pressure. easiest way there is to see is the motor has a fitting on the fuel rail (kinda like a valve stem on a wheel), connect a gauge and see what the pressures are. might have too low of pressure.

If not that, try looking at the egr valve. You start getting into diagnosis mode there. checking supply voltages and looking at input signals.

To me it sounds like a fuel related issue. You have fuel and spark because it is running.

Do you have hookup for OBD 2? And if so does it pop up any codes?

THEKING · 08-30-2007, 10:12 PM

I do not have my egr hooked up right now and yes it does throw a code for that? Is there a way to turn it off using the predator programmer?

And zerocool i have not talked to jared about this problem yet.

Zerocool350 · 08-31-2007, 09:48 AM

In the predator there is some egr stuff you can turn off. I did it with mine, even though the 03 motors didnt have egr. It was weird. What egr codes are you throwing?

Evil_s10 · 08-31-2007, 05:54 PM

I'm wondering if the programmer is seeing the codes from the egr and either dumping more fuel in or taking fuel away. I would definitely try starting there before doing anything else. Not familiar with the programmer itself, but definitely talk with the tuner to see if there is ways around the egr.

THEKING · 09-02-2007, 05:08 PM

Well guys, thanks for the help for now. I'm off to europe for 2 weeks! So hopefully zerocool will have some answers from jared by then. When i get back i'll have some time off before i go back to work to figure this beast out.

Zerocool350 · 09-03-2007, 02:30 PM

Ill let you know if I find anything. Have a good trip!

THEKING · 09-12-2007, 11:49 AM

hey zerocool i stoped by a internet caffe cause i wanted to see if you had any progress and i didnt see any news? are you still working with jared on it?

Zerocool350 · 09-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by THEKING

hey zerocool i stoped by a internet caffe cause i wanted to see if you had any progress and i didnt see any news? are you still working with jared on it?

No progress yet. He found me an 04 computer to use. Im waiting on him to mail it to me, so I can mail him my 03 computer and predator so he can look and adjust it.

meyers2211 · 09-14-2007, 02:14 AM

guys breaking his shoes about estimating 10k invested. Thats just about right, its not the big stuff but the little stuff that rack the price up, like going down a getting a few race fittings for power steering or the fuel line $100 bucks here and there add up so quick. ordering misc parts like headers motor mounts radiators efans wiring, fluids for startup are easily a 100 etc The project is coming out great and really impressed me. I'm doing a build myself and totally know how the pennies go, keep up the great work man

jhankinson · 09-14-2007, 08:49 AM

I WISH I only spent 10k on my swap

Double that and your close to everything I spent on mine haha

Zerocool350 · 09-14-2007, 05:36 PM

mine costed me about 6500ish

THEKING · 09-17-2007, 12:30 AM

Loop · 09-18-2007, 11:13 PM

Nice! That is around the "red light" district! LOL.

THEKING · 09-19-2007, 12:01 AM

ya its pretty much down from the Redlight District

andrew69_04 · 10-07-2007, 06:09 PM

how did you hook your emergency brake cables up to the disc brakes on the rear? im putting F-body brakes on the back of my 03 X and im not sure how to hook them up. what did u do or use to make them work?

David12460 · 10-07-2007, 10:06 PM

Looks awsome! Im really impressed by what you have done so far. Keep it up.

ExtCab96S_Dime · 10-17-2007, 07:40 PM

THEKING - How much have you spent specifically on the engine and accessories for the engine so far?

s10-den · 10-17-2007, 08:47 PM

you drove it yet?

THEKING · 10-17-2007, 09:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ExtCab96S_Dime

THEKING - How much have you spent specifically on the engine and accessories for the engine so far?

Shit man thats a lot of stuff to add up... i'd guess around 5000. Lotta parts add up that you don't think about like hoses and shit.

And no i havnt driven it do to the fact that there is a problem with my computer. It was running fine for like 5 minutes straight then the fuel line poped off the in tank line. Now it will start but only stay running if i hit the gas.

Jared has the computer as of today and i should have it ready for next weekend. But that ok cause this weekend is pheasent opening! Go get me some birds.

ExtCab96S_Dime · 10-17-2007, 09:06 PM

That's cool, I was just wondering. How much did you get the engine, harness and computer for?

THEKING · 10-17-2007, 11:27 PM

i thought you meant like everything having to do with the drivetrain, hah. But i got the engine for 1200 all accessories, ecu, wiring, intake, the works and 24k miles. Trans was 900 with lower miles then the engine.

And all this was bout right around 2 years ago when i started the swap, i only work on this during the summer when i'm not in school.

ExtCab96S_Dime · 10-18-2007, 07:12 PM

Oh, ok, that's a pretty nice deal. Where from?

THEKING · 10-18-2007, 10:18 PM

Local yard in my area, free delivery. I feel i did ok. Some people get them really cheap.

Zerocool350 · 10-19-2007, 10:35 AM

Any news on your computer from Jared yet?

THEKING · 10-21-2007, 09:46 PM

Ya i've just been broke and hunting on the weekends. But he should have sent it out last thursday or friday, i'm calling him tomorrow to confirm and i should have it by this weekend!

kms_dude1 · 10-26-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zerocool350

If anyone knows what might cause the problems please let us know

Could it be a weak alternator or a going bad battery???

But good work

THEKING · 10-27-2007, 12:08 PM

well i'm going to the junk yard then working on it all day. I'll let you know before the end of the day.

THEKING · 10-27-2007, 09:04 PM

Ok so here is what happened. I put the new computer in from jared took out the IAC and pushed the plunger all the way in. The first start went was kinda rough but after a few seconds it held at around 800 rpm. Second start was fine as well. Third start it went to 800 rpm then died shortly after.

So i check the IAC and it was fully extented, I pushed it back in all the way. This time on the start it reved to around 2000 rpm then bumped up to about 3000 rpm before i shut her off.

I think the IAC is all fucked?

Zerocool350 · 10-28-2007, 06:17 PM

It could be. Try going to the parts house and getting a new one. they are about 60 bucks.

THEKING · 11-03-2007, 07:57 PM

I'm selling some interior pieces.. more like just giving them out for free take a look if your in my area!

http://www.s10forum.com/classifieds/...1&cat=4&page=1

THEKING · 11-04-2007, 09:15 PM

I ordered some O2 sensors for the exhaust i don't have. But i got some header extensions from summit to weld some bungs on to test it out and see if it helps any of the engine problems.

Been putting more body pannels on her.

Its like a snorkle, kinda.

WTRacing · 11-05-2007, 03:05 AM

lookin good man, coming along nicely

Zerocool350 · 11-05-2007, 10:40 AM

Let me know how those fans work as pushers.

THEKING · 11-06-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zerocool350

Let me know how those fans work as pushers.

Why does everyone have to make fun of my fans... they look cooler this way. And i don't have room as pullers.

Zerocool350 · 11-06-2007, 11:44 PM

I dont see why not. mine are pullers, and they are the exact same fan. I had to trim off the little stub coming of the water pump

THEKING · 11-06-2007, 11:59 PM

I didn't know if that was allowed or not?

TuckaBlaze · 11-07-2007, 12:19 AM

Awsome man! ima keep stopin by and lookin!

AceHaag · 11-07-2007, 12:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by THEKING

Why does everyone have to make fun of my fans... they look cooler this way. And i don't have room as pullers.

dude don't sweat it my truck has been running pushers for 2 years and i haven't had any cooling problems and i have an all iron 6.0.

comgtsom · 11-07-2007, 10:24 AM

what is the normal operating temp for these gen III engines?

THEKING · 11-07-2007, 09:41 PM

i don't know. if i see smoke its getting too hot i think.

wlsmoku · 11-07-2007, 11:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by comgtsom

what is the normal operating temp for these gen III engines?

no different than any other small block. 210 degrees sitting idle after warm up. a 165 degree thermostat helps quite a bit though. btw - these motors/pcm have a great setup built in that if they start to overheat they go into limp mode and basically run on 4 cyl. i put a 5.3 liter in my jeep a few years back and I couldn't get the air out of the coolant lines. was a bear for the 1st few heat cycles, but never blew a gasket. my camaro had probs with the fan this summer, and it got up to 230ish and never had probs either. these really are amazing motors and are very forgiving.

THEKING · 11-21-2007, 09:27 PM

IT RUNS

Well it ran before but the idle was all screwy and i wouldn't have been able to drive it. But now it runs fine and everything.

To this point i have no idea what exactly was wrong. I had to switch to the new HP tunners software. Jared is the man and helped me threw all this, this is why you pay the extra bucks to go threw him!

Zerocool350 · 11-21-2007, 11:59 PM

Good deal. Glad you got it running!

SilverWings · 11-25-2007, 10:27 PM

I'm on the road as a aircraft electrician/avionics man so I don't have a garage-here-to work in nor do I carry/lug around all my tools. So for this old guy it's let a pro do it for me. Wellllll....most of it anyway.

New MrGoodWrench LS2, and street/strip auto. My little S10 is my daily driver/hot rod while my two Mustangs stay in storage back in Montana.

Cost? 10K to start. Probably going to end up around $15K.

THEKING · 12-03-2007, 01:22 AM

Well i've been plowing threw a lotta little details recently. Truck goes to a shop to get the brakes figured out this tuesday because i have no idea whats up with them.

Put glass in the doors and installed some interior pieces. Clean up the wiring and installed airbag sensors. Lota other little stuff like i mentioned.

08-29-2007, 01:26 PM	#101
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08-29-2007, 01:31 PM	#102
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08-30-2007, 01:26 PM	#103
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08-30-2007, 01:33 PM	#104
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Yeah we are he is lost on it too. He wants me to send him my ecu and predator tuner to him so he can take a look at everything. The only problem is finding a donar 03 ecu to use. Have you gotten your problem fixed yet?
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08-30-2007, 06:00 PM	#105
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! the king, have you talked to jared any?
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08-30-2007, 06:40 PM	#106
Evil_s10 Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 219 Location: cincinnati, oh User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! first try checking the fuel pressure. easiest way there is to see is the motor has a fitting on the fuel rail (kinda like a valve stem on a wheel), connect a gauge and see what the pressures are. might have too low of pressure. If not that, try looking at the egr valve. You start getting into diagnosis mode there. checking supply voltages and looking at input signals. To me it sounds like a fuel related issue. You have fuel and spark because it is running. Do you have hookup for OBD 2? And if so does it pop up any codes?
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08-30-2007, 10:12 PM	#107
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! I do not have my egr hooked up right now and yes it does throw a code for that? Is there a way to turn it off using the predator programmer? And zerocool i have not talked to jared about this problem yet.
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08-31-2007, 09:48 AM	#108
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! In the predator there is some egr stuff you can turn off. I did it with mine, even though the 03 motors didnt have egr. It was weird. What egr codes are you throwing?
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08-31-2007, 05:54 PM	#109
Evil_s10 Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 219 Location: cincinnati, oh User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! I'm wondering if the programmer is seeing the codes from the egr and either dumping more fuel in or taking fuel away. I would definitely try starting there before doing anything else. Not familiar with the programmer itself, but definitely talk with the tuner to see if there is ways around the egr.
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09-02-2007, 05:08 PM	#110
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Well guys, thanks for the help for now. I'm off to europe for 2 weeks! So hopefully zerocool will have some answers from jared by then. When i get back i'll have some time off before i go back to work to figure this beast out.
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09-03-2007, 02:30 PM	#111
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Ill let you know if I find anything. Have a good trip!
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09-12-2007, 11:49 AM	#112
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! hey zerocool i stoped by a internet caffe cause i wanted to see if you had any progress and i didnt see any news? are you still working with jared on it?
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09-13-2007, 01:02 PM	#113
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Quote: Originally Posted by THEKING hey zerocool i stoped by a internet caffe cause i wanted to see if you had any progress and i didnt see any news? are you still working with jared on it? No progress yet. He found me an 04 computer to use. Im waiting on him to mail it to me, so I can mail him my 03 computer and predator so he can look and adjust it.
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09-14-2007, 02:14 AM	#114
meyers2211 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,863 Location: Lindenhurst NY User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! guys breaking his shoes about estimating 10k invested. Thats just about right, its not the big stuff but the little stuff that rack the price up, like going down a getting a few race fittings for power steering or the fuel line $100 bucks here and there add up so quick. ordering misc parts like headers motor mounts radiators efans wiring, fluids for startup are easily a 100 etc The project is coming out great and really impressed me. I'm doing a build myself and totally know how the pennies go, keep up the great work man
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09-14-2007, 08:49 AM	#115
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09-14-2007, 05:36 PM	#116
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09-18-2007, 11:13 PM	#118
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09-19-2007, 12:01 AM	#119
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10-07-2007, 06:09 PM	#120
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10-07-2007, 10:06 PM	#121
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10-17-2007, 07:40 PM	#122
ExtCab96S_Dime Wannabe Dragger Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,664 Location: Neenah, Wisconsin User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! THEKING - How much have you spent specifically on the engine and accessories for the engine so far?
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10-17-2007, 08:47 PM	#123
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10-17-2007, 09:02 PM	#124
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Quote: Originally Posted by ExtCab96S_Dime THEKING - How much have you spent specifically on the engine and accessories for the engine so far? Shit man thats a lot of stuff to add up... i'd guess around 5000. Lotta parts add up that you don't think about like hoses and shit. And no i havnt driven it do to the fact that there is a problem with my computer. It was running fine for like 5 minutes straight then the fuel line poped off the in tank line. Now it will start but only stay running if i hit the gas. Jared has the computer as of today and i should have it ready for next weekend. But that ok cause this weekend is pheasent opening! Go get me some birds.
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10-17-2007, 09:06 PM	#125
ExtCab96S_Dime Wannabe Dragger Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,664 Location: Neenah, Wisconsin User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! That's cool, I was just wondering. How much did you get the engine, harness and computer for?
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10-17-2007, 11:27 PM	#126
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! i thought you meant like everything having to do with the drivetrain, hah. But i got the engine for 1200 all accessories, ecu, wiring, intake, the works and 24k miles. Trans was 900 with lower miles then the engine. And all this was bout right around 2 years ago when i started the swap, i only work on this during the summer when i'm not in school.
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10-18-2007, 07:12 PM	#127
ExtCab96S_Dime Wannabe Dragger Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,664 Location: Neenah, Wisconsin User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Oh, ok, that's a pretty nice deal. Where from?
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10-18-2007, 10:18 PM	#128
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Local yard in my area, free delivery. I feel i did ok. Some people get them really cheap.
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10-19-2007, 10:35 AM	#129
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Any news on your computer from Jared yet?
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10-21-2007, 09:46 PM	#130
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Ya i've just been broke and hunting on the weekends. But he should have sent it out last thursday or friday, i'm calling him tomorrow to confirm and i should have it by this weekend!
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10-26-2007, 08:51 PM	#131
kms_dude1 SK Whut !?! Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 268 Location: st. john, in User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Quote: Originally Posted by Zerocool350 If anyone knows what might cause the problems please let us know Could it be a weak alternator or a going bad battery??? But good work
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10-27-2007, 12:08 PM	#132
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! well i'm going to the junk yard then working on it all day. I'll let you know before the end of the day.
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10-27-2007, 09:04 PM	#133
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! Ok so here is what happened. I put the new computer in from jared took out the IAC and pushed the plunger all the way in. The first start went was kinda rough but after a few seconds it held at around 800 rpm. Second start was fine as well. Third start it went to 800 rpm then died shortly after. So i check the IAC and it was fully extented, I pushed it back in all the way. This time on the start it reved to around 2000 rpm then bumped up to about 3000 rpm before i shut her off. I think the IAC is all fucked?
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10-28-2007, 06:17 PM	#134
Zerocool350 Sdimess84 Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 650 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! It could be. Try going to the parts house and getting a new one. they are about 60 bucks.
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11-03-2007, 07:57 PM	#135
THEKING More Go then Show Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,176 Location: Scottsdale, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: 5.3l Swap Back from college finally! I'm selling some interior pieces.. more like just giving them out for free take a look if your in my area! http://www.s10forum.com/classifieds/...1&cat=4&page=1
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