AVS slammed by AIM in new MT

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-24-2008, 05:13 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips

so what do the owners of this site have to say about the lawsuit?

Read the AIM thread in the off topic forum, he pretty much laughs at it

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:08 PM

Ok guys. I am going to start a new thread in OT.

What I am thinking of is this.

I will start a new site. A site dedicated to the bs that this company....aim...is pulling and what they have done. It will be a new domain.

IwasTaken.com

I will need a little help.

1. a logo
2. contributors with facts
3. I will extend ads from all current supporters on s10f and GMT to be on there.
4. I am thinking a simple forum.

I may even take some of my own money from my trading accounts and buy a few pages of ads in a few magazines to promote the site,that is if we get the turn out on it like I think we will. So if you are game paticipate in this thread....

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f42/di...d-here-366215/

Do not comment in here. Thanks

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio

Thanks man,

Off the bat I could tell you I would find the Rubber bellow and end caps to be different, the only think similar would be the end crimp design. because as Joe Said they are done on the same or (same style) machine lol

That would be an interesting test though.

I have the Dominator already sectioned so would just need to get a 'China bag' haha

So Joe if you read this, Send me an (air lift copy) and I will test it to see if in fact they are the SAME bag

hahaha

I can fund this test and others if you like....lol

I am in for some fun now. Remember the other domains I bought for members on here that pissed me off. Well, he is not a member, but I am going to start something soon enough.

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Corey@AirLift

I will fund the entire test Doug.....

Corey,

I can fund this and keep it independent on the whole thing...that is if he is game to do it.

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Corey,

I can fund this and keep it independent on the whole thing...that is if he is game to do it.

I am game if it helps get the word out!

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by droppedss

Yes. SSM is for sale to the right person...OR kris needs a partner. He is an excellent coder and behind the scenes guy, which was such his role when garrick was there. They split and he took it over. So he either would like to sell or get a partner.

HRMmmm

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio

I am game if it helps get the word out!

Tell me what to buy and where. I will do it.

I will ship them to you and we can go from there. Again, remember this....I only run a website so I do not know the products themselves guys.

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 91sonomast

cool but to cover my bases im gonna ok it with john also

GO FOR IT

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Tell me what to buy and where. I will do it.

I will ship them to you and we can go from there. Again, remember this....I only run a website so I do not know the products themselves guys.

Let me get in touch with Corey and see what would be the best Bag to get for the Comparison.

Thanks

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips

so what do the owners of this site have to say about the lawsuit?

What do you want me to say about this?

1. It is freedom of speech by you to post your opinions on products and services.

2. Let him try to sue me. He will get shit out of it. I have some very deep personal pockets to play with. My company whom owns this site has a whopping 1k in the bank account for hosting fees. He is more than welcome to try to take this if he wants as my personal assets are separate from the corporation, for specific reasons. I am not stupid.

3. I do not have an issue with people posting their opinions. That is what made this site what it is.

4. I have told Kris from SS that I am behind him on this matter too.

From the TOS
5. The Site may provide you and other users an opportunity to submit, post, display, transmit and/or exchange information, ideas, opinions, photographs, images, video, creative works or other information, messages, transmissions or material to us, the Site or others ("Post" or "Postings"). Postings do not reflect our views; and we do not have any obligation to monitor, edit, or review any Postings on the Site. We assume NO responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings nor for any error, defamation, libel, slander, omission, falsehood, obscenity, pornography, profanity, danger, or inaccuracy contained in any information within such Postings on the Site.

Do I need to say anymore?

The Master · 08-24-2008, 12:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio

Let me get in touch with Corey and see what would be the best Bag to get for the Comparison.

Thanks

After testing I guess we can give it away? IDK

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

After testing I guess we can give it away? IDK

It will be cut in half haha and or blown up.

But I can always mount the remains to a board and raffle it off haha

Good call on the Terms of service.

The Master · 08-24-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio

It will be cut in half haha and or blown up.

But I can always mount the remains to a board and raffle it off haha

Good call on the Terms of service.

LOL I was not sure what your plans were...

Forklift · 08-24-2008, 01:14 PM

this is pretty cool of you guys.
I got a reply from Joe. He said he is doing some stuff to make it up to me, more to come
free products, nuff said

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Forklift

this is pretty cool of you guys.
I got a reply from Joe. He said he is doing some stuff to make it up to me, more to come
free products, nuff said

Very cool man. Hope they are the right parts.

Forklift · 08-24-2008, 01:31 PM

well I got two emails back from him, here ya go! Seems as if maybe good ol Joe is starting to see the error in whats been done in the pass and wanting to make good?

Scott,
I meant what I said in the ad in Truckin.

Travis,
Send Scott a 1/2" Plug and Play with a DC7000 compressor along with some 1/2" airline. Scott, it will come in a black case. Send him the tracking number Monday morning. If you have a set of mirrors, send them as well.

Thank you for the opportunity to get these items out to you.

Joe Morrow

Scott Spiehler
-----------------
-----------,----------

and this one

Kris,

As expected, I did receive a few emails from your members expressing both Negative and Positive responses. It also gave me the opportunity to correct some problems that I have not had before.

The most thought out one came from Michael White of Dallas Hotrodparts below. I have had two days to think about it and I have decided to take Michael's advice, and take the high road. I will give positive responses thru my staff on your forum in an honest effort to correct issues that are valid. Michael simply sent a constructive email.

Scott Spiehler also vented on me, and I happen to agree with him.
Problem is that I would have agreed with him in the past as well, but sometimes an owner is once or twice removed from the communication loop.
That is why I do not hide under a psuedo name from our customers. I will continue to handle ALL issues, and even respond nicely to someone that talks trash.

I only kindly request you to take a look at bashing. Valid complaints are one thing, but ranting with personal attacks is simply not good for either of us, or the Trucking Community at large. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that most members want positive results.

Thank you for your posting, it puts it all out there and It is something that I would have done as well. I was just stoked over the name calling in the infamous email. A problem with a product is a personal issue, not a license for a personal attack from someone that i do not know.

I agree with Michael that I should apologize for my heated response.
Kris, I apologize and hope that we can develop a normalized relationship with your forum over time for the good of the community.

Sincerely,
Joe Morrow

The Master · 08-24-2008, 02:01 PM

uhm yea ok.

So this was addressed to you or Kris at ssm?

Forklift · 08-24-2008, 02:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

uhm yea ok.

So this was addressed to you or Kris at ssm?

Kris and CCed to me

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 02:11 PM

"That is why I do not hide under a psuedo name from our customers"

ummmmm

***orangesonoma*** · 08-24-2008, 02:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio

"That is why I do not hide under a psuedo name from our customers"

ummmmm

what you got up your sleeve

***AVS_JEFF*** · 08-24-2008, 02:48 PM

The Master · 08-24-2008, 02:50 PM

Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun.

LoL

***orangesonoma*** · 08-24-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun.

LoL

he is busy eating popcorn

***AVS_JEFF*** · 08-24-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun.

LoL

It's been a looooong time coming! Bring it on my friend! lol!

***DJDAudio*** · 08-24-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by orangesonoma

what you got up your sleeve

Joe Morrow and Linda Hargrave

hmmmm

The Master · 08-24-2008, 03:47 PM

I will get on this when I get back home. I am on my phone right now.

91sonomast · 08-24-2008, 05:56 PM

This is the email I wrote and sent Joe Morrow about his behavior, actions, and motives.
Why do you want to go after public forums and people personally for their honest opinions and thoughts? Have you never read the Declaration Of Independence, maybe in school, I know it was decades ago but still, can't you remember the part about freedom of speech? These websites only facilitate us to share our opinions to a large crowd, so we can stop other people becoming victims also by buying your low grade products. Denominator bags? Lets go back to highschool again, do you not remember algebra? The denominator is the BOTTOM number, the lower number? So is that like a subliminal message about your product? What grade steel, what thickness, and wall diameter do you use on a S10 four-link? Do you know if your bars and plates and things line up when they are installed on your customers vehicle? I have seen many of your kits that fit like shit, look like shit, and the bars start cracking within months from daily normal use. If you want people to quit talking shit about you and your company here's a couple of ideas:
1. Make better products, and don't retaliate like a bitch when someone bashes them, go back to the drawing board and improve that product.
2. Shut your doors now, sell the company and be done with it while you still have some money, because if not, your company is slowly sinking and its going to take the captain with it.
3. Let someone else take over the company and make the changes that needed to be made.
So what do we have now? IF you want to sell good quality products to consumers you aren't going to beable to sell them for cheap. That is why any top companies that sell anything, clothes, shoes, truck parts, computers, whatever, are their prices are in the same ballpark, BECUASE they are selling QUALITY, not CHEAP.
These are my personal opinions of you and your company, you can make better products and be a revered company like TB or AVS, but you are going to have spend money, isn't that the old saying? "You have to spend money to make money?" I think that you going after forum owners and users is just cowardly, just like the pussy would rather pull a gun on you and pull the trigger, instead of taking a chance of getting a black eye or bloody nose, he don't want his rep gettin hurt yo, so he just eliminates the threat, which in your case, is your consumer......not a good business strategy. I know some of this countries best business analyst's, if you would like to get in contact with them let me know, I will gladly lead you in the right direction. You sir might have big war box, but it doesn't matter, you are fighting a war you WILL not win, you can't sue consumers into liking, trusting and buying your products, thats the beauty of free-will.
Good Luck in your endeavors, ever how futile they are,

As_I_Lay_Frame · 08-24-2008, 06:29 PM

any word on those shirts Id like one in black

The Master · 08-24-2008, 07:44 PM

Kris or Jeff or whomever. When I start this site, would you like to set up where people can order the shirts there?

BTW. I would like a nice logo if someone can make one for the new site.

nAu HaVoC · 08-24-2008, 07:56 PM

I dunno if this really matters and I know there's alot of well educated people on here, but...

I use to work at a bike shop and found out alot about the manufacter's side of the spectrum. In reality there are a very small few companies that actually build the products. The companies design the parts, components, etc, but usually send the designs out over seas where production costs are alot less. While it does suck that all our US money is going elsewhere, its a reality of life that its more economical for the company (AIM, AVS, whoever) to get the parts made overseas.

The difference is quality control which AVS has. The overseas companies have to meet AVS's quality control specifications and thats what produces a good product. If you cut corners like AIM does then that reflects all the way back to production and thats where the shitty products come from.

I would/have/will buy US made or China made products without hesitation. The difference is who I choose to buy them from, and Id much rather pay more for a reputable company/products than get 50% off for a pile of shit product that was poorly designed and made cheaply.

*2 cents*

MaverickVC · 08-24-2008, 08:32 PM

hell if Joe wont answer anyone elses email just call him or send him some snail mail.

Joe Morrow
2329 S Orange
Mesa, AZ 85210
480-664-2640

and thats all public information found care of www.anywho.com

I hope this bullshit he is starting ruins what he has left of a business. There are too many legit companys out there that believe in good genuine customer service to let douche bag continue fucking the general public.

~~AVS_KRIS~~ · 08-24-2008, 09:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Kris or Jeff or whomever. When I start this site, would you like to set up where people can order the shirts there?

BTW. I would like a nice logo if someone can make one for the new site.

i will let you know first thing tomorrow!

bagdntagd · 08-25-2008, 12:24 AM

This thread right here is what America is all about.

S-10Driver · 08-25-2008, 02:07 AM

i'm working on a logo...i'm bored. lol

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-25-2008, 02:43 AM

PLEASE put the findings of the comparison in an AVS mag ad!

S-10Driver · 08-25-2008, 04:56 AM

i wasn't exactly sure on what you wanted for the logo, but this will do in the meantime i guess.

basic and simple.

thats DJD with his compressor numbers on teh phone with AIM supervisors. hahahahahahaha

Corey@AirLift · 08-25-2008, 09:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic

Corey,

I can fund this and keep it independent on the whole thing...that is if he is game to do it.

Works for me.

The Master · 08-25-2008, 06:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Corey@AirLift

Works for me.

Figured you were game. lol

I just need to know what parts to get to djd for this. So speak up already.

***00xtremeninja*** · 08-25-2008, 07:24 PM

oh shit, it's about to get curazy up in hur!

The Master · 08-25-2008, 07:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 00xtremeninja

oh shit, it's about to get curazy up in hur!

Do you really think so?

lol

Misfit Mafia · 08-25-2008, 09:33 PM

so where do we go to get the shirts at ?

The Master · 08-25-2008, 10:13 PM

I will be working with AVS on this one. I am going to set up a way to order (thru them I assume) on my other site.

just wait.

***AVS_JEFF*** · 08-25-2008, 10:55 PM

We're ordering a batch of shirts tomorrow. We'll let you know how soon we will have them so we can start selling. Thanks for the support!!!

jeffery_843 · 08-25-2008, 11:00 PM

russell · 08-25-2008, 11:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AVS_JEFF

We're ordering a batch of shirts tomorrow. We'll let you know how soon we will have them so we can start selling. Thanks for the support!!!

hells yes

hold an xl for me...

bumpin · 08-26-2008, 03:14 AM

Hell yeah!!

I'll be wanting a XL also

Sunkin1 · 08-26-2008, 07:38 AM

lol....looks like this shirt is gonna be a hit!....glad you guys like the design!....and once again...avs comes out on top!..lol

Kaznlilgreenmen · 08-26-2008, 04:17 PM

I'll take a large

Forklift · 08-26-2008, 04:59 PM

got me another email. I was wondering when they were goign to ship

Scott,
yesterday, evening we decided to change the 1/2 plug and plays to use all compression style fittings. This will insure a leak free experience for our customers. We took your plug and play off the truck so we can change it to the new fittings. The same tracking info will be used.

Travis

blazerman · 08-26-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Forklift

got me another email. I was wondering when they were goign to ship

Scott,
yesterday, evening we decided to change the 1/2 plug and plays to use all compression style fittings. This will insure a leak free experience for our customers. We took your plug and play off the truck so we can change it to the new fittings. The same tracking info will be used.

Travis

hmmmmmmmmm.................how convienent

08-24-2008, 05:13 AM	#151
ZQ8 Blazer ZQ8 Blazer Age: 26 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,722 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips so what do the owners of this site have to say about the lawsuit? Read the AIM thread in the off topic forum, he pretty much laughs at it
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08-24-2008, 12:08 PM	#152
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Ok guys. I am going to start a new thread in OT. What I am thinking of is this. I will start a new site. A site dedicated to the bs that this company....aim...is pulling and what they have done. It will be a new domain. IwasTaken.com I will need a little help. 1. a logo 2. contributors with facts 3. I will extend ads from all current supporters on s10f and GMT to be on there. 4. I am thinking a simple forum. I may even take some of my own money from my trading accounts and buy a few pages of ads in a few magazines to promote the site,that is if we get the turn out on it like I think we will. So if you are game paticipate in this thread.... http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f42/di...d-here-366215/ Do not comment in here. Thanks
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08-24-2008, 12:40 PM	#153
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio Thanks man, Off the bat I could tell you I would find the Rubber bellow and end caps to be different, the only think similar would be the end crimp design. because as Joe Said they are done on the same or (same style) machine lol That would be an interesting test though. I have the Dominator already sectioned so would just need to get a 'China bag' haha So Joe if you read this, Send me an (air lift copy) and I will test it to see if in fact they are the SAME bag hahaha I can fund this test and others if you like....lol I am in for some fun now. Remember the other domains I bought for members on here that pissed me off. Well, he is not a member, but I am going to start something soon enough.
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08-24-2008, 12:42 PM	#154
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Corey@AirLift I will fund the entire test Doug..... Corey, I can fund this and keep it independent on the whole thing...that is if he is game to do it.
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08-24-2008, 12:47 PM	#156
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by droppedss Yes. SSM is for sale to the right person...OR kris needs a partner. He is an excellent coder and behind the scenes guy, which was such his role when garrick was there. They split and he took it over. So he either would like to sell or get a partner. HRMmmm
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08-24-2008, 12:48 PM	#157
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio I am game if it helps get the word out! Tell me what to buy and where. I will do it. I will ship them to you and we can go from there. Again, remember this....I only run a website so I do not know the products themselves guys.
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08-24-2008, 12:49 PM	#158
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by 91sonomast cool but to cover my bases im gonna ok it with john also GO FOR IT
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08-24-2008, 12:57 PM	#160
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips so what do the owners of this site have to say about the lawsuit? What do you want me to say about this? 1. It is freedom of speech by you to post your opinions on products and services. 2. Let him try to sue me. He will get shit out of it. I have some very deep personal pockets to play with. My company whom owns this site has a whopping 1k in the bank account for hosting fees. He is more than welcome to try to take this if he wants as my personal assets are separate from the corporation, for specific reasons. I am not stupid. 3. I do not have an issue with people posting their opinions. That is what made this site what it is. 4. I have told Kris from SS that I am behind him on this matter too. From the TOS 5. The Site may provide you and other users an opportunity to submit, post, display, transmit and/or exchange information, ideas, opinions, photographs, images, video, creative works or other information, messages, transmissions or material to us, the Site or others ("Post" or "Postings"). Postings do not reflect our views; and we do not have any obligation to monitor, edit, or review any Postings on the Site. We assume NO responsibility or liability arising from the content of any such Postings nor for any error, defamation, libel, slander, omission, falsehood, obscenity, pornography, profanity, danger, or inaccuracy contained in any information within such Postings on the Site. Do I need to say anymore?
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08-24-2008, 12:57 PM	#161
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio Let me get in touch with Corey and see what would be the best Bag to get for the Comparison. Thanks After testing I guess we can give it away? IDK
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08-24-2008, 01:06 PM	#163
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio It will be cut in half haha and or blown up. But I can always mount the remains to a board and raffle it off haha Good call on the Terms of service. LOL I was not sure what your plans were...
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08-24-2008, 01:14 PM	#164
Forklift Its that dam ADD! Age: 33 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,456 Location: Vancouver, WA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT this is pretty cool of you guys. I got a reply from Joe. He said he is doing some stuff to make it up to me, more to come free products, nuff said
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08-24-2008, 01:31 PM	#166
Forklift Its that dam ADD! Age: 33 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,456 Location: Vancouver, WA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT well I got two emails back from him, here ya go! Seems as if maybe good ol Joe is starting to see the error in whats been done in the pass and wanting to make good? Scott, I meant what I said in the ad in Truckin. Travis, Send Scott a 1/2" Plug and Play with a DC7000 compressor along with some 1/2" airline. Scott, it will come in a black case. Send him the tracking number Monday morning. If you have a set of mirrors, send them as well. Thank you for the opportunity to get these items out to you. Joe Morrow Scott Spiehler ----------------- -----------,---------- and this one Kris, As expected, I did receive a few emails from your members expressing both Negative and Positive responses. It also gave me the opportunity to correct some problems that I have not had before. The most thought out one came from Michael White of Dallas Hotrodparts below. I have had two days to think about it and I have decided to take Michael's advice, and take the high road. I will give positive responses thru my staff on your forum in an honest effort to correct issues that are valid. Michael simply sent a constructive email. Scott Spiehler also vented on me, and I happen to agree with him. Problem is that I would have agreed with him in the past as well, but sometimes an owner is once or twice removed from the communication loop. That is why I do not hide under a psuedo name from our customers. I will continue to handle ALL issues, and even respond nicely to someone that talks trash. I only kindly request you to take a look at bashing. Valid complaints are one thing, but ranting with personal attacks is simply not good for either of us, or the Trucking Community at large. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that most members want positive results. Thank you for your posting, it puts it all out there and It is something that I would have done as well. I was just stoked over the name calling in the infamous email. A problem with a product is a personal issue, not a license for a personal attack from someone that i do not know. I agree with Michael that I should apologize for my heated response. Kris, I apologize and hope that we can develop a normalized relationship with your forum over time for the good of the community. Sincerely, Joe Morrow
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08-24-2008, 02:01 PM	#167
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT uhm yea ok. So this was addressed to you or Kris at ssm?
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08-24-2008, 02:07 PM	#168
Forklift Its that dam ADD! Age: 33 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,456 Location: Vancouver, WA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic uhm yea ok. So this was addressed to you or Kris at ssm? Kris and CCed to me
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08-24-2008, 02:44 PM	#170
*orangesonoma* forum idiot Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 46,856 Location: Indian Trail, NC User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by DJDAudio "That is why I do not hide under a psuedo name from our customers" ummmmm what you got up your sleeve
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08-24-2008, 02:48 PM	#171
*AVS_JEFF* *JACOBY* Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 563 Location: Central, Cali User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT
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08-24-2008, 02:50 PM	#172
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun. LoL
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08-24-2008, 02:52 PM	#173
*orangesonoma* forum idiot Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 46,856 Location: Indian Trail, NC User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun. LoL he is busy eating popcorn
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08-24-2008, 02:58 PM	#174
*AVS_JEFF* *JACOBY* Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 563 Location: Central, Cali User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic Hello Jeff. Ready for some fun. LoL It's been a looooong time coming! Bring it on my friend! lol!
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08-24-2008, 03:47 PM	#176
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT I will get on this when I get back home. I am on my phone right now.
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08-24-2008, 05:56 PM	#177
91sonomast Good Bye SonomaST Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,019 Location: Murray, KY User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT This is the email I wrote and sent Joe Morrow about his behavior, actions, and motives. Why do you want to go after public forums and people personally for their honest opinions and thoughts? Have you never read the Declaration Of Independence, maybe in school, I know it was decades ago but still, can't you remember the part about freedom of speech? These websites only facilitate us to share our opinions to a large crowd, so we can stop other people becoming victims also by buying your low grade products. Denominator bags? Lets go back to highschool again, do you not remember algebra? The denominator is the BOTTOM number, the lower number? So is that like a subliminal message about your product? What grade steel, what thickness, and wall diameter do you use on a S10 four-link? Do you know if your bars and plates and things line up when they are installed on your customers vehicle? I have seen many of your kits that fit like shit, look like shit, and the bars start cracking within months from daily normal use. If you want people to quit talking shit about you and your company here's a couple of ideas: 1. Make better products, and don't retaliate like a bitch when someone bashes them, go back to the drawing board and improve that product. 2. Shut your doors now, sell the company and be done with it while you still have some money, because if not, your company is slowly sinking and its going to take the captain with it. 3. Let someone else take over the company and make the changes that needed to be made. So what do we have now? IF you want to sell good quality products to consumers you aren't going to beable to sell them for cheap. That is why any top companies that sell anything, clothes, shoes, truck parts, computers, whatever, are their prices are in the same ballpark, BECUASE they are selling QUALITY, not CHEAP. These are my personal opinions of you and your company, you can make better products and be a revered company like TB or AVS, but you are going to have spend money, isn't that the old saying? "You have to spend money to make money?" I think that you going after forum owners and users is just cowardly, just like the pussy would rather pull a gun on you and pull the trigger, instead of taking a chance of getting a black eye or bloody nose, he don't want his rep gettin hurt yo, so he just eliminates the threat, which in your case, is your consumer......not a good business strategy. I know some of this countries best business analyst's, if you would like to get in contact with them let me know, I will gladly lead you in the right direction. You sir might have big war box, but it doesn't matter, you are fighting a war you WILL not win, you can't sue consumers into liking, trusting and buying your products, thats the beauty of free-will. Good Luck in your endeavors, ever how futile they are,
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08-24-2008, 06:29 PM	#178
As_I_Lay_Frame Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 20 Location: 6x6x6=216 cleveland ohio User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT any word on those shirts Id like one in black
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08-24-2008, 07:44 PM	#179
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Kris or Jeff or whomever. When I start this site, would you like to set up where people can order the shirts there? BTW. I would like a nice logo if someone can make one for the new site.
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08-24-2008, 07:56 PM	#180
nAu HaVoC Blazin 4Dr Age: 23 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 294 Location: Prescott, AZ User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT I dunno if this really matters and I know there's alot of well educated people on here, but... I use to work at a bike shop and found out alot about the manufacter's side of the spectrum. In reality there are a very small few companies that actually build the products. The companies design the parts, components, etc, but usually send the designs out over seas where production costs are alot less. While it does suck that all our US money is going elsewhere, its a reality of life that its more economical for the company (AIM, AVS, whoever) to get the parts made overseas. The difference is quality control which AVS has. The overseas companies have to meet AVS's quality control specifications and thats what produces a good product. If you cut corners like AIM does then that reflects all the way back to production and thats where the shitty products come from. I would/have/will buy US made or China made products without hesitation. The difference is who I choose to buy them from, and Id much rather pay more for a reputable company/products than get 50% off for a pile of shit product that was poorly designed and made cheaply. 2 cents
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08-24-2008, 08:32 PM	#181
MaverickVC Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 362 Location: Columbia, Missouri User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT hell if Joe wont answer anyone elses email just call him or send him some snail mail. Joe Morrow 2329 S Orange Mesa, AZ 85210 480-664-2640 and thats all public information found care of www.anywho.com I hope this bullshit he is starting ruins what he has left of a business. There are too many legit companys out there that believe in good genuine customer service to let douche bag continue fucking the general public.
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08-24-2008, 09:24 PM	#182
~~AVS_KRIS~~ Kris Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,179 Location: FRESNO,CA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic Kris or Jeff or whomever. When I start this site, would you like to set up where people can order the shirts there? BTW. I would like a nice logo if someone can make one for the new site. i will let you know first thing tomorrow!
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08-25-2008, 12:24 AM	#183
bagdntagd static dreams Age: 31 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 471 Location: Queen Creek User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT This thread right here is what America is all about.
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08-25-2008, 02:07 AM	#184
S-10Driver Trackside Support Vehicle Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,844 Location: Warner Robins, GA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT i'm working on a logo...i'm bored. lol
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08-25-2008, 02:43 AM	#185
ZQ8 Blazer ZQ8 Blazer Age: 26 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8,722 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT PLEASE put the findings of the comparison in an AVS mag ad!
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08-25-2008, 04:56 AM	#186
S-10Driver Trackside Support Vehicle Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,844 Location: Warner Robins, GA User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT i wasn't exactly sure on what you wanted for the logo, but this will do in the meantime i guess. basic and simple. thats DJD with his compressor numbers on teh phone with AIM supervisors. hahahahahahaha
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08-25-2008, 09:24 AM	#187
Corey@AirLift Registered User Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 210 Location: Lansing, MI User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Lunatic Corey, I can fund this and keep it independent on the whole thing...that is if he is game to do it. Works for me.
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08-25-2008, 06:50 PM	#188
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by Corey@AirLift Works for me. Figured you were game. lol I just need to know what parts to get to djd for this. So speak up already.
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08-25-2008, 07:24 PM	#189
*00xtremeninja* Mega Man 2 Mod Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,671 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT oh shit, it's about to get curazy up in hur!
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08-25-2008, 07:45 PM	#190
The Master away from this hell Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 18,771 Location: In the Hospital User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT Quote: Originally Posted by 00xtremeninja oh shit, it's about to get curazy up in hur! Do you really think so? lol
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08-25-2008, 09:33 PM	#191
Misfit Mafia ~V.C~HITMAN Age: 30 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 195 Location: OWOSSO MICHIGAN User is: OffLine	Re: AVS slammed by AIM in new MT so where do we go to get the shirts at ?
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