road grater kit

[von Cube]

so i have a couple things that trouble me about this kit, the first thing is they are sleeve bags, arent they supposed to be more delicate that regular bags..is that true? also they have a 1/4 fitting on them? what? why? i want to run 1/2 lines and valves? that will slow everything down wont it? if someone could answer these questions that would be great

[Juan@AirRideTech]

Quote: Originally Posted by von Cube

so i have a couple things that trouble me about this kit, the first thing is they are sleeve bags, arent they supposed to be more delicate that regular bags..is that true? also they have a 1/4 fitting on them? what? why? i want to run 1/2 lines and valves? that will slow everything down wont it? if someone could answer these questions that would be great

We run a sleeve style bag on the rear of the solid axle rear end kits for a few reasons lift, performance, and ride quality. Air springs with a 1/1 ratio work and perform alot better than a double convoluted bag with a 2/1 ratio which works better on idependent suspensions.
as for the longevity of the air spring it self I have never had a problem with a sleeve style airspring vs. a double convoluted as long as you have a shock to capture the bag. over extending any air spring over a period of time will cause it to prematurely fail.
As for the 1/4" port we base most of our kits on quality, performance and ride quality, with that said it is easier to adjust a 1/4" system VS. a 1/2" system witch most of the time will cause you to over shoot the desired ride height pressure and take longer for you to adjust.....

[topdragster5051]

Quote: Originally Posted by 10on22s

We run a sleeve style bag on the rear of the solid axle rear end kits for a few reasons lift, performance, and ride quality. Air springs with a 1/1 ratio work and perform alot better than a double convoluted bag with a 2/1 ratio which works better on idependent suspensions.
as for the longevity of the air spring it self I have never had a problem with a sleeve style airspring vs. a double convoluted as long as you have a shock to capture the bag. over extending any air spring over a period of time will cause it to prematurely fail.
As for the 1/4" port we base most of our kits on quality, performance and ride quality, with that said it is easier to adjust a 1/4" system VS. a 1/2" system witch most of the time will cause you to over shoot the desired ride height pressure and take longer for you to adjust.....

ya listen to this guy he knows!

[Juan@AirRideTech]

if you have any other questions man feel free to ask

[Prime]

Quote: Originally Posted by von Cube

so i have a couple things that trouble me about this kit, the first thing is they are sleeve bags, arent they supposed to be more delicate that regular bags..is that true? also they have a 1/4 fitting on them? what? why? i want to run 1/2 lines and valves? that will slow everything down wont it? if someone could answer these questions that would be great

Over all the RG is a nice kit. The sleeve bags are great, they ride wonderfully. Plus even with the 1/4" fitting with 1/2" line it takes only a tap to be at ride hight. When I was first getting used to bags it would make the back of my truck hope a little when they aired up they fill so fast.

[von Cube]

well is there a way i could order the kit with a bigger fitting? the only reason why i say that is because the only reason i would use air ride is to drag...and drag hard

[stevehh]

Drag that shit is right!

[Juan@AirRideTech]

I can replace those with a 1/4" npt to 1/2" pipe no problem

[von Cube]

then my 1/2 valves will attach no problem?

[von Cube]

will that really mess up the bag? i know its not meant for it....other than over inflation, will it damage it?

[Prime]

Quote: Originally Posted by von Cube

well is there a way i could order the kit with a bigger fitting? the only reason why i say that is because the only reason i would use air ride is to drag...and drag hard

Trust me, you do not need 1/2 port bags to "drag hard". Just use a 1/4" npt to 1/2" ptc and all will be fine. I have drug mine many times with no problems at all. It should not damage it at all. Mine is a daily and I have logged about 10k miles since I put in the RG and the bags are holding up fine. As far as over inflation, it only takes about 60 psi to get the rear to ride hight in my truck, (20psi if I want to roll stupid low), any more than that and it rides very rough.

[von Cube]

is that the setup you have? 1/4 to 1/2?

[Prime]

yup, two 1/4" to 1/2" 90* elbows. Ordered them from SD when I ordered the RG from them.

[von Cube]

i know its asking maybe a little much, but you wouldnt happen to have a video of the airing out....and airing up?

[Prime]

No I dont, but it has been on my to do list. Maybe if the weather cooperates this weekend I'll get one.

[von Cube]

that would be greatly appreciated

[topdragster5051]

are you planning on hopping the truck? if not, you don't need the bags to be 1/2

[von Cube]

it would be nice....lol i just dont know about 1/4...i saw song guy with 1/4 one time, and it took about 3 seconds to air out......reaaaal gay thats why i am so hesitant

[topdragster5051]

why is that gay?

[von Cube]

because, it should be down instantly.....or the way i see it

[topdragster5051]

thats so violent.... idk why anyone would want that..

[von Cube]

iunno if its just because im from canada, but when i get bags i want it to lay hard and fast...i also want to daily drive and drag my truck, none of this trailer queen crap....

[98layinframe]

you wont lose any speed if you just order the correct fittings! You can run your half inch air line and still connect it to the 1/4" ports on the bags without any reduction in speed. I have a few of these fittings sitting in my garage that do exactly this... they go from 1/4" npt thread strait to a 1/2" ptc air line fitting. If ya look down the inside of the fitting the inner diameter remains the same size the entire way thru just exacty as it would if you were running a 1/2" port bag.

[von Cube]

perfect, so i assume these kits come with the 1/4 npt fittings?

[LXtasy]

I have the roadgrater with 5/8" hydraulic lines ran to it and it is by far slow. TO FAST sometimes for me. Near the end of the video is me having to tap the switchbox so it doesn't slam on the ground. you will be fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTnpNtm_fg

[Prime]

Quote: Originally Posted by von Cube

that would be greatly appreciated

Here is the vid I promised. This is with the 1/4" fittings and 1/2" lines. If you notice I feathered the switches to keep from having it slam into the ground violently. If you just hold the switch it will drop like a rock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBR0XUCkd5g

[10Droped]

when i got my kit it came with all the right fittings got the 1/2 big reds and screw right into the bag and its plenty fast i think up and down

[83blazerlaynframe]

Quote: Originally Posted by 10on22s

Air springs with a 1/1 ratio work and perform alot better than a double convoluted bag with a 2/1 ratio which works better on idependent suspensions.

why would you think a double convoluted bag is 2/1 ratio?

bags are what ratio YOU put them at. you cant get a bag that is 1/1 or 2/1 ratio. if you put a sleeve bag behind or over an axle, its 1/1. if you put a double convoluted bag behind or over an axle, its 1/1 still.

its 2/1 ratio if you put the bag on the bar exactly halfway of the links pivot points. but you lose usable lift because the bag twists, so its not exactly 2/1 still. unless its in a TRUE cantilever setup where that is possible.

BUT the sleeve bag is only rated for 1500 lbs, so in a way it is more delicate and a double convoluted bag ranges from 2500-2800 lbs per bag. so they are better suited IN a setup which is built for bag on bar because they can have larger loads and have more leverage against them and still work within thier boundary's.

[Juan@AirRideTech]

Quote: Originally Posted by 83blazerlaynframe

why would you think a double convoluted bag is 2/1 ratio?

bags are what ratio YOU put them at. you cant get a bag that is 1/1 or 2/1 ratio. if you put a sleeve bag behind or over an axle, its 1/1. if you put a double convoluted bag behind or over an axle, its 1/1 still.

its 2/1 ratio if you put the bag on the bar exactly halfway of the links pivot points. but you lose usable lift because the bag twists, so its not exactly 2/1 still. unless its in a TRUE cantilever setup where that is possible.

BUT the sleeve bag is only rated for 1500 lbs, so in a way it is more delicate and a double convoluted bag ranges from 2500-2800 lbs per bag. so they are better suited IN a setup which is built for bag on bar because they can have larger loads and have more leverage against them and still work within thier boundary's.

I typed it wrong I meant on a independant suspension which is a 2-1 ratio vs the 1-1 off the axle my bad