For those who want pics of Xtreme's with Airbar

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by bagged85

friend of mine has the same kit on his xtreme, hes 2" off the ground yet and get real bad wheel hop tho (may be his pinion angle?) looks nice tho btw

Yeah, no kidding. I went by the dragstrip last season for a test and tune. When I left the line, I thought my teeth were gonna jar out of my head.

[Outlaw]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeBowtie

I now have some pics of the frame that people have always asked about. The frame is about 2.5"-3" from the ground layed out. Another advantageof the AirBar, to anyone who suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder, is the ability to leave the original spare tire in place. Of course the front lays closer, due to the Coolride:

Would the heat from the exhaust harm the bag with the expansion and deflation of it? Thanks man you are the best.

[XtremeBowtie]

I don't think it would. It hasn't for over a year now. But it's something I'm definitely gonna look at.

[XtremeBowtie]

Got my headlights fixed!

Thanks xtucking22s and orangesonoma

[98layinframe]

the wheel hop problem with this link setup is in proper link bar angles. THe easiest way to help mimuize the wheel hop is to install a lowering block under the leaf perches. that changes the angles in relationship between the upper wishbone bar and the lower link bars. Now also you will loose a little lift since your changing the lower bag mounting location... but then again thats a good thing since ya can install a bolt in C notch and regain the travel back plus get a bit lower.

On the air bar i moddied we added a 2" block and that fixed all the wheel hop problems... so just some food for thought.

[xtucking22s]

im SOO glad u fixed the headlight. but i imagine orangesonoma is ever more happy that you fixed it then me lol.

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by xtucking22s

im SOO glad u fixed the headlight. but i imagine orangesonoma is ever more happy that you fixed it then me lol.

Yeah, it's amazing how something so small can make such a big difference. LOL!

[GeorgesBlazah]

Will I get any Ill effect if I used the 3in block thats on my truck now with the airbar? I also have drop spindles in the front....will mine be lower? I am still runnning stock wheels/tires.

[98layinframe]

well a 3" block is really pushin it.. personaly i wouldnt do it. The main thing ya have to think about is the larger the block you use the lower that entire lower link bar/ bag mount bracket is gona sit to the ground which could cause ground clearense issues, and also your gona loose all that much more lift.

[GeorgesBlazah]

Ok just a 2in block then. I really just wanna get as low as I can with the airbar. I need the bed, so I dont want to cut it up. The bolt in notches dont effect the bed any correct? Will the drop spindles get me lower in the front? Will it sit even?

[xtucking22s]

using blocks isnt going to get you any lower. if your axle is hitting the frame, the axle is hitting frame. even with a c notch, the frame(well C notch) is what limits you(assuming we are talking about bolt in C notch) using a 1-2" block on the airbar only helps out the geometry of the kit, it wont get you any lower

[GeorgesBlazah]

Yeah I just wanted to blocks to help the airbar out. I was the notch to get the truck a lil lower to the ground when laid out.

[ippy00]

wut do u mean it only fixes the geometry? dont scare me im putting mine in on sunday!!! cant fkucing wait! ahhhhhhh

[xtucking22s]

the airbar as is seems to give people a lot of wheel hop. DJDaudio and 98layinframe gave it some thought and put in either a 1" or 2" lowering block on it so correct the geometry of the kit so that it eliminates the wheel hop issue. only problem with doing this is you loose 1-2" of lift(depending on what size block you use)

[98layinframe]

true.. but in doing so, we also added a set of bolt in notches to dougs truck which infact did get him lower tot he ground.

And also even if you guys dont plan to add any type of notch, and dont want to loose alot of lift... just adding even a 1" block between the axle perch and lower bag mount will greatly reduce the amount of wheel hop.

[xtucking22s]

just for comparitive reasons.....my friend has the airbar with a bolt in 2.25" notch and his axle goes all the way up to the bottom of that notch without blocks. so if he put blocks on it wouldnt get him any lower.

but moral of the story is put in a 1" block to reduce wheel hop

[GeorgesBlazah]

Is his an X? If so..any pics?

[98layinframe]

Quote: Originally Posted by xtucking22s

just for comparitive reasons.....my friend has the airbar with a bolt in 2.25" notch and his axle goes all the way up to the bottom of that notch without blocks. so if he put blocks on it wouldnt get him any lower.

but moral of the story is put in a 1" block to reduce wheel hop

really? huh... thats weird cause dougs bags were collasped fully when the axle hit the frame and wouldnt let him go lower.. either way like ya said though the block helps fix the driveline issues.

[orangesonoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeBowtie

Got my headlights fixed!

Thanks xtucking22s and orangesonoma

yippie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xtucking22s]

nah his inst an Xtreme....

ok so here are 2 pics, this is with a 17" rim, i think its something like a 235/45/17 tire, not positive. and he DOES have the bolt in 2.25" notch, axle resting on the notch without blocks, but he gets wheel hop really bad i know

[GeorgesBlazah]

Nice truck...what is the front setup?

[xtucking22s]

stock arms, 2" drop spindles, and i think he has 2500 conitech bags. its sittin on the inner fenders

[2001_S10X3me]

when you guys are talking about wheel hopping are talking about when you giver or on regular driving???? my guess is when you giver but could be wrong just want to know

[xtucking22s]

giver? huh?

wheel hop: Definition: An undesirable suspension characteristic in which a wheel (or several) moves up and down so violently that it actually leaves the ground. Wheel hop can be caused by many problems, including excessive unsprung weight, insufficient shock damping, or poor torsional axle control.

[98layinframe]

if ya drive it like a grandma... you wont have any problems. Now if ya get on it hard pulling out of a stop light... yeah there mostly gona break the tires loose and bounce around a bit.

[2001_S10X3me]

Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe

if ya drive it like a grandma... you wont have any problems. Now if ya get on it hard pulling out of a stop light... yeah there mostly gona break the tires loose and bounce around a bit.

Alright thanks in my case i'd have alot of wheel hoping

[ippy00]

just finished up my air bar last nite. definitly some wheel hop, but its all good. i'll post up some pics ASAP....

my only problems was i cudnt cut the bump stops off, u think if i did i would get and inch or so lower?

[xtucking22s]

you didnt cut off the bumpstops? geeez man. thats like a solid 2-3" more drop you could get I bet. I mean however tall it is is how much lower it will go. cut that shit off!!! get out the sawzall(sp?) or the cutoff wheel!

[XtremeBowtie]

Yeah, I would most certainly cut the bump stops off. All I did was grind the welds off the bracket. Then knocked it off with a hammer. The bumpstop is just welded to the frame. Once I cut them off, I bolted a small rubber bumper to the framerails so that the axle tubes wouldn't slam down on the frame. Here's some pics:

[ippy00]

i tried with a sawzall but that didnt seem to like me too much. lol. i dont know how u guys got the blade in there its such a tight fit.

and one more thing... i just realized that i mounted the piece and connects onto the tank x-bar on upside-down. that shudnt matter tho rite? bc it should be the same hieght up or down...? it seems to be fine now? idk

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by ippy00

i tried with a sawzall but that didnt seem to like me too much. lol. i dont know how u guys got the blade in there its such a tight fit.

and one more thing... i just realized that i mounted the piece and connects onto the tank x-bar on upside-down. that shudnt matter tho rite? bc it should be the same hieght up or down...? it seems to be fine now? idk

Did you try to grind the welds off with a grinder? That's how I got mine off.

[ippy00]

na thats next on the list. but my kit is pretty close to the ground as is. maybe 2.5 inches at MOST from the ground. i have a xenon tho so idk if thats lower.

[ippy00]

heres my pics...
i still have the bump stop brackets on right now so i think im like 1-2" too high. when i take them off do i just line up the axel with the little rubber thingy that they sent with it?
aired up...



and dropped...







and the sloppy... but functional setup

[SpYnOnU]

wow, I have wanted to bag my s10 for so long and I never could bring myself to hack up the bed, and I was afraid of cutting the fram and then welding everything to it and I just found this... all I can say is wow, its cheap, and lowers it a considerable ammount and with a bolt in notch would have me plenty low and best of all I can raise it back up so I dont have problems like I do now with my 2/3+zq8 on my x while trying to turn. hope that I can order a front set up from suicide doors and do the rear sometime this summer... quick question though how hard is the front? easy? cause this airbar looks pretty freakin sweet and easy and from what I hear the front is easy as well

[GODSMACK'N LOW]

"XtremeBowtie":

Stupid Question of the Day: Would you be laying the front of the frame, if it weren't for the inner fenders???

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpYnOnU

wow, I have wanted to bag my s10 for so long and I never could bring myself to hack up the bed, and I was afraid of cutting the fram and then welding everything to it and I just found this... all I can say is wow, its cheap, and lowers it a considerable ammount and with a bolt in notch would have me plenty low and best of all I can raise it back up so I dont have problems like I do now with my 2/3+zq8 on my x while trying to turn. hope that I can order a front set up from suicide doors and do the rear sometime this summer... quick question though how hard is the front? easy? cause this airbar looks pretty freakin sweet and easy and from what I hear the front is easy as well

It's easy. The most aggravating part imo is the upper control studs. It's kinda aggravating trying to get a wrench on them (no room ). I spent alot of time making sure nothing was going to rub, airlines weren't going to get crushed, how close the tie rod ends were to the frame, tideous stuff like that. Next time I go to bag, it'll be alot easier.

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by GODSMACK'N LOW

"XtremeBowtie":

Stupid Question of the Day: Would you be laying the front of the frame, if it weren't for the inner fenders???

Yeah, it would lay frame. I would have to notch for my tie rod ends too, though. They're about 1/8" from the frame right now.

By the way, there are no stupid ?'s. But, there are know-it-all jackasses who think we're stupid. Who probably haven't ever seen an actual airbag in person. They've visited Suicide Doors' website, so that makes them professionals.

[kevdog]

I'm not in any way knocking the Air Bar setup, as a matter of fact I've considered one for myself, but why not spend the extra money to buy the ART RoadGrater if you're lookin' for something to lay frame WITHOUT modification?

This is just the way I see it. It's an extra $500, which granted alot of people don't just have layin' around, but look at it this way.... It's 100% bolt on (just like the Air Bar), lays frame on 20's, comes with bolt in notch and a raised gas tank crossmember.

For example, say you bought the Air Bar ($995), an SD Bolt in Step Notch ($249), and an SD raised gas tank cross member ($149). That'd put you at about $1400 before shipping. Might as well spend the extra $100 to get the RoadGrater ($1495, and has free shipping) that has a very reliable design and is made to lay frame on 20s.

Just my $.02, not trying to knock the set up. I just think that those looking to lay frame should consider the RoadGrater when looking for a 100% bolt on kit.

Oh, and your Air Bar looks great! You have a real clean looking truck!

[XtremeBowtie]

Quote: Originally Posted by kevdog00

I'm not in any way knocking the Air Bar setup, as a matter of fact I've considered one for myself, but why not spend the extra money to buy the ART RoadGrater if you're lookin' for something to lay frame WITHOUT modification?

This is just the way I see it. It's an extra $500, which granted alot of people don't just have layin' around, but look at it this way.... It's 100% bolt on (just like the Air Bar), lays frame on 20's, comes with bolt in notch and a raised gas tank crossmember.

For example, say you bought the Air Bar ($995), an SD Bolt in Step Notch ($249), and an SD raised gas tank cross member ($149). That'd put you at about $1400 before shipping. Might as well spend the extra $100 to get the RoadGrater ($1495, and has free shipping) that has a very reliable design and is made to lay frame on 20s.

Just my $.02, not trying to knock the set up. I just think that those looking to lay frame should consider the RoadGrater when looking for a 100% bolt on kit.

Oh, and your Air Bar looks great! You have a real clean looking truck!

Yeah, I wish I would have gotten the RoadGrater in a way. But, I didn't want to cut the bed. But next one I do, I'll definitely buy the roadgrater.

[sdimex03]

I want to tackle this project. Can someone PM me a full parts list of everything I need to make it happen?

[Tony@AirRideTech]

Two thumbs up man!

[govedani]

Hey i am buying the same set up as yours, i have a 98 s10, with 2 inch dropspindles, and running a 18x8 225 40, Iam worried about botteming out the bag... the firestone bags dont have bumpstops? i dotn want to be resting on my control arms? any idea what might happen? about to install the system but worried about the front.

THANKS

[XtremeBowtie]

I think your tire will hit the inner fender first.

[ippy00]

actually i was worried about the same issues. everyone i talked to said something else. some ppl say u will hit inners first, some ppl say tie rods and then others say u will hit the kit (if u have an extreme) but theres only one way to find out... do it! haha lol

[redrider]

i have 225/60/15's on my truck with the air bar and RE7's up front.... my front lays out on skid plate as well as i lay out on the fenders.

[redrider]

here is a pic of my truck.... i will soon be riding on 215/45/17's

[redrider]

Quote: Originally Posted by kevdog00

I'm not in any way knocking the Air Bar setup, as a matter of fact I've considered one for myself, but why not spend the extra money to buy the ART RoadGrater if you're lookin' for something to lay frame WITHOUT modification?

This is just the way I see it. It's an extra $500, which granted alot of people don't just have layin' around, but look at it this way.... It's 100% bolt on (just like the Air Bar), lays frame on 20's, comes with bolt in notch and a raised gas tank crossmember.

For example, say you bought the Air Bar ($995), an SD Bolt in Step Notch ($249), and an SD raised gas tank cross member ($149). That'd put you at about $1400 before shipping. Might as well spend the extra $100 to get the RoadGrater ($1495, and has free shipping) that has a very reliable design and is made to lay frame on 20s.

Just my $.02, not trying to knock the set up. I just think that those looking to lay frame should consider the RoadGrater when looking for a 100% bolt on kit.

Oh, and your Air Bar looks great! You have a real clean looking truck!

love your point, but have u ever considered not everyone wants to lay frame? im running the airbar setup like i said with a 2.25" notch and i love how it rides and sits even though i dont lay frame....it is enough to get the kit on the ground and look clean without destroying the bed buy cutting it up. the roadgrater is a nice kit but it is for ones that can afford it and want to lay out....

[redrider]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpYnOnU

cause this airbar looks pretty freakin sweet and easy and from what I hear the front is easy as well

the kit was easy to install...took bout 4 hrs to do it with a friend. the time consuming of it all is the wiring. i installed the kit with wiring and no notch in a day and a half. i then later on like a month went ahead and added in a bolt in notch which is min. cutting of the frame and simple to do.

[XtremeBowtie]

^^^ You're truck has always looked great with the AirBar. Lovin the grills too.

[redrider]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeBowtie

^^^ You're truck has always looked great with the AirBar. Lovin the grills too.

thanks man... i love the airbar! it was a great choice as well as a great ride. i wanted bags without cutting the bed or tearing up my kit and had a bunch of people against me for not laying frame, but now i get complements left and right on how clean it looks and sits without laying frame. the kit worked out great for me and the 2.25" notch just gave me alittle extra for the truck. also i say to all the haters that hate on not draggin frame, that i will drag my balls on u any day!