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kuchie89 · 07-19-2008, 08:33 PM

I have a 1998 S10 reg.cab. I just lowered it 4/4 and i'm having some issues. My driver front tire is rubbing the hell out of my fender lip and the wheel well and i can't turn my wheels to the left all of the way. The slightest bump makes it hit the wheel well hard. What are my options?

purplepassion · 07-19-2008, 08:40 PM

what size wheels/tires do you have?
did you get an alignment after you lowered it?

and pics always help

kuchie89 · 07-19-2008, 09:17 PM

I have 15s with 215/70 15 tires. they are stock wheels with a little less profile tires.
no alignment because i just lowered it today. I have i little toe out and neg. chamber.

purplepassion · 07-19-2008, 09:35 PM

maybe an alignment will fix it. did you do a quick "driveway alignment"? what did you use to lower it?

kuchie89 · 07-19-2008, 10:05 PM

I checked the tires after i set it on the ground. They looked fine. A little toe out wouldn't be a problem since it's going to be aligned tomorrow morning.
sorry they are big. As you can see the driver front side dips alot and the tire hits the well. I used spindles and springs in front and blocks in the back. I also replaced the shocks but with stock ones.

purplepassion · 07-19-2008, 10:09 PM

looks like a smaller tire wouls help you out. i have a 250/65 on my 4/5, and only rub the inners on big bumps. i didn't lose any turning radius with mine.

purplepassion · 07-19-2008, 10:11 PM

here's mine:

kuchie89 · 07-19-2008, 10:18 PM

well i guess i'll just align it and see what happens. two other people helped me lower the truck so i hope one of them didn't mess it up. You don't have a problem bottoming out?

purplepassion · 07-19-2008, 10:20 PM

not unless i hit a big bump. here is a chart comparing the stock tires, your tires, and my tires. when i first lowered my truck, and had the stock tires, they rubbed badly and it bottomed out alot. my new tires are fine. you can see the differences in the height and width of our tires.

yours are 1.36" taller than mine, and 0.39" wider

kuchie89 · 07-19-2008, 10:26 PM

I just got those tires and they were expensive. guess i should have planned ahead. i'll be switching rims and rubbers soon so i'll try that.

lowcherrydime · 07-19-2008, 10:31 PM

are the coils seated properly?

beandip · 07-19-2008, 11:04 PM

an alignment would help some but you still need smaller tires. Are you sure you got the correct drop? Did you measure before you drop?

kuchie89 · 07-20-2008, 06:40 PM

i checked the coils and they appear to be seated correctly. everything looks as it should be. New tires and alignment are a must but the driver front appears to be 1" lower and the pass. rear is 1" higher. What could cause this?

kuchie89 · 07-20-2008, 07:29 PM

maybe a spacer will fix the dreaded "chevy lean".anyone know where i can get a good one? just needs to be about 1".

terryl · 07-20-2008, 11:06 PM

What do you mean it "appears to be 1 inch"? Measure it. Measure from the center of the bottom lip of fender to the ground on both sides. Summitt Racing sells a Belltech spacer that will raise it 1/2". You put it on top of the coil. It may take care of the lean and alot of the clearance problem.

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ProTouring2.2 · 07-20-2008, 11:45 PM

def get smaller tires, drop shocks, and the lean spacer.

kuchie89 · 07-22-2008, 01:07 AM

so i tried to put back in the stock coils but they woulgn't go in.WTF? I put back in the drop coils and the problem was solved maybe it was seated incorrectly. That and i rolled the fender out of frustration with a hammer. rides better and doesn't rub. still can't turn all of the way though and haven't measured it yet but seems promising.

SickSpeedMonte · 07-31-2008, 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by kuchie89

maybe a spacer will fix the dreaded "chevy lean".anyone know where i can get a good one? just needs to be about 1".

Adding a 1" spacer to the coil spring will raise that corner more than 1". The spring is in between the control arm mount on the frame and the ball joint, so the LCA acts as a lever arm. Multiply: Spacer compressed thickness*(distance from BJ to LCA bushing/distance from spring to LCA bushing) to get the distance it will raise it (not counting any jacking effect from unequal diagonal ground pressures)

terryl · 08-02-2008, 12:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SickSpeedMonte

Adding a 1" spacer to the coil spring will raise that corner more than 1". The spring is in between the control arm mount on the frame and the ball joint, so the LCA acts as a lever arm. Multiply: Spacer compressed thickness*(distance from BJ to LCA bushing/distance from spring to LCA bushing) to get the distance it will raise it (not counting any jacking effect from unequal diagonal ground pressures)

Are you sure about that? He has drop coils in now. The ball joints are closer together than they were to start with.

***AVTekk*** · 08-03-2008, 02:22 PM

The distance between balljoints never change, they are always exactly the same, changing them would mess up your steering geometry bigtime.

He is correct about the spacer tho. The lower control arm is a lever, and the coil is about 1/2 way, which makes it a 2:1 ratio. So if you put a spacer in thats 1" tall, youll see 2" of gain at the wheel, depending on wheel offset.

kuchie89, you need a spring compressor to put the stocks back in, that or put them in from the back but thats such a pain in the ass i wouldnt recommend it to anyone.

terryl · 08-03-2008, 04:48 PM

You two are right. I don't know what I was thinking.

Lets just call it a senior moment.

beandip · 08-03-2008, 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by terryl

Lets just call it a senior moment.

Morgan89 · 08-08-2008, 10:33 PM

Didnt read the last couple of replys running out of time... but steering issue? My guess is because of the lowering kit a drag link or tie rod is now too long, maybe too short. Check it out.

Bottoming out issue?

Check your shocks see if they are too long, and check your bump stops.

I have no experience in s10 suspension especially lowering, but we run into the steering problem with lifting K5 blazers.

kuchie89 · 08-12-2008, 08:26 PM

The problem i had was a bad alignment and big tires. Also the tierod was too long for such a drop.The springs should just go right in by hand. The spacer worked better than expected. Feels like i'm riding on air and now have no problem bottoming out or turningand the truck is now level. Thanks for all of your help.

07-19-2008, 08:33 PM	#1
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	oh shit! I have a 1998 S10 reg.cab. I just lowered it 4/4 and i'm having some issues. My driver front tire is rubbing the hell out of my fender lip and the wheel well and i can't turn my wheels to the left all of the way. The slightest bump makes it hit the wheel well hard. What are my options?
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07-19-2008, 08:40 PM	#2
purplepassion BOUGHT NOT BUILT Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,693 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! what size wheels/tires do you have? did you get an alignment after you lowered it? and pics always help
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07-19-2008, 09:17 PM	#3
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! I have 15s with 215/70 15 tires. they are stock wheels with a little less profile tires. no alignment because i just lowered it today. I have i little toe out and neg. chamber. Last edited by kuchie89 : 07-19-2008 at 09:19 PM.
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07-19-2008, 09:35 PM	#4
purplepassion BOUGHT NOT BUILT Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,693 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! maybe an alignment will fix it. did you do a quick "driveway alignment"? what did you use to lower it?
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07-19-2008, 10:05 PM	#5
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! I checked the tires after i set it on the ground. They looked fine. A little toe out wouldn't be a problem since it's going to be aligned tomorrow morning. sorry they are big. As you can see the driver front side dips alot and the tire hits the well. I used spindles and springs in front and blocks in the back. I also replaced the shocks but with stock ones. Last edited by kuchie89 : 07-19-2008 at 10:06 PM.
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07-19-2008, 10:09 PM	#6
purplepassion BOUGHT NOT BUILT Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,693 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! looks like a smaller tire wouls help you out. i have a 250/65 on my 4/5, and only rub the inners on big bumps. i didn't lose any turning radius with mine.
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07-19-2008, 10:11 PM	#7
purplepassion BOUGHT NOT BUILT Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,693 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! here's mine:
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07-19-2008, 10:18 PM	#8
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! well i guess i'll just align it and see what happens. two other people helped me lower the truck so i hope one of them didn't mess it up. You don't have a problem bottoming out?
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07-19-2008, 10:20 PM	#9
purplepassion BOUGHT NOT BUILT Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,693 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! not unless i hit a big bump. here is a chart comparing the stock tires, your tires, and my tires. when i first lowered my truck, and had the stock tires, they rubbed badly and it bottomed out alot. my new tires are fine. you can see the differences in the height and width of our tires. yours are 1.36" taller than mine, and 0.39" wider Last edited by purplepassion : 07-19-2008 at 10:22 PM.
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07-19-2008, 10:26 PM	#10
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! I just got those tires and they were expensive. guess i should have planned ahead. i'll be switching rims and rubbers soon so i'll try that.
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lowcherrydime truth Age: 26 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 23,802 Location: arkansas User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! are the coils seated properly?
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07-19-2008, 11:04 PM	#12
beandip The How-To Guy Age: 20 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,108 Location: Cache, OK User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! an alignment would help some but you still need smaller tires. Are you sure you got the correct drop? Did you measure before you drop?
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07-20-2008, 06:40 PM	#13
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! i checked the coils and they appear to be seated correctly. everything looks as it should be. New tires and alignment are a must but the driver front appears to be 1" lower and the pass. rear is 1" higher. What could cause this?
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07-20-2008, 07:29 PM	#14
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! maybe a spacer will fix the dreaded "chevy lean".anyone know where i can get a good one? just needs to be about 1". Last edited by kuchie89 : 07-20-2008 at 07:34 PM.
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07-20-2008, 11:06 PM	#15
terryl I'll do it tomorrow maybe Age: 51 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,091 Location: Kingston Springs, TN. User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! What do you mean it "appears to be 1 inch"? Measure it. Measure from the center of the bottom lip of fender to the ground on both sides. Summitt Racing sells a Belltech spacer that will raise it 1/2". You put it on top of the coil. It may take care of the lean and alot of the clearance problem. BEL-4930 Belltech Front Spring Spacers Bushing, Spring Spacer, Front Upper, .750 in. Tall, Polyurethane, Black, Chevy/ GMC, S-Series Pickup/ SUV, Eac... http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...=KeywordSearch
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07-20-2008, 11:45 PM	#16
ProTouring2.2 Have a nice day! Age: 20 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 9,284 Location: NJ User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! def get smaller tires, drop shocks, and the lean spacer.
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07-22-2008, 01:07 AM	#17
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! so i tried to put back in the stock coils but they woulgn't go in.WTF? I put back in the drop coils and the problem was solved maybe it was seated incorrectly. That and i rolled the fender out of frustration with a hammer. rides better and doesn't rub. still can't turn all of the way though and haven't measured it yet but seems promising.
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07-31-2008, 12:05 PM	#18
SickSpeedMonte Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 475 Location: User is: Online	Re: oh shit! Quote: Originally Posted by kuchie89 maybe a spacer will fix the dreaded "chevy lean".anyone know where i can get a good one? just needs to be about 1". Adding a 1" spacer to the coil spring will raise that corner more than 1". The spring is in between the control arm mount on the frame and the ball joint, so the LCA acts as a lever arm. Multiply: Spacer compressed thickness*(distance from BJ to LCA bushing/distance from spring to LCA bushing) to get the distance it will raise it (not counting any jacking effect from unequal diagonal ground pressures)
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08-02-2008, 12:38 AM	#19
terryl I'll do it tomorrow maybe Age: 51 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,091 Location: Kingston Springs, TN. User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! Quote: Originally Posted by SickSpeedMonte Adding a 1" spacer to the coil spring will raise that corner more than 1". The spring is in between the control arm mount on the frame and the ball joint, so the LCA acts as a lever arm. Multiply: Spacer compressed thickness*(distance from BJ to LCA bushing/distance from spring to LCA bushing) to get the distance it will raise it (not counting any jacking effect from unequal diagonal ground pressures) Are you sure about that? He has drop coils in now. The ball joints are closer together than they were to start with.
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08-03-2008, 04:48 PM	#21
terryl I'll do it tomorrow maybe Age: 51 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,091 Location: Kingston Springs, TN. User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! You two are right. I don't know what I was thinking. Lets just call it a senior moment.
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08-03-2008, 05:17 PM	#22
beandip The How-To Guy Age: 20 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,108 Location: Cache, OK User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! Quote: Originally Posted by terryl Lets just call it a senior moment.
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08-08-2008, 10:33 PM	#23
Morgan89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! Didnt read the last couple of replys running out of time... but steering issue? My guess is because of the lowering kit a drag link or tie rod is now too long, maybe too short. Check it out. Bottoming out issue? Check your shocks see if they are too long, and check your bump stops. I have no experience in s10 suspension especially lowering, but we run into the steering problem with lifting K5 blazers.
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08-12-2008, 08:26 PM	#24
kuchie89 Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Houma, LA User is: OffLine	Re: oh shit! The problem i had was a bad alignment and big tires. Also the tierod was too long for such a drop.The springs should just go right in by hand. The spacer worked better than expected. Feels like i'm riding on air and now have no problem bottoming out or turningand the truck is now level. Thanks for all of your help.
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