hydro ?

heresdamanladies · 02-11-2004, 08:13 PM

ok im new to hydros i know air bags bigger tank = more air , bigger lines and valves= faster raise and lower times. but what makes hydros faster?? i have four batteriesand 2 pumps. if i get 2 more batteries that will make me faster right?? what will pumps do if i add pumps? and do u add like a pump for each wheel? and how do you guys recommend runnign batteries parrel or a series? and im looking at geting a street charger www.streetcharger.com has any one ever used one? i think its worth the money all the way , if it works hehe well thanks for your guys time and sorry these are dumb questions but im just learning this stuff thx again Jason

RikuY · 02-12-2004, 10:08 AM

Let me try to answer your questions. More batteries equals more voltage to the motors equals faster rises. This only works when batteries are run series to get voltage up, i.e. 4 batteries equals 48 volts. Two more goes to 72 volts and that is some good juice to get to a pump. Watch for solenoids though. Prestolite boxes, IMO, are the way to go. If you pump each corner, the fluid moving is doubled. As in, twice the fluid will be moved into cylinders which equals faster rises, as long as same voltage is going to both pumps now (double batteries). In other words, two pumps at 48 volts each (8 batteries) will be twice as fast as 1 pump at 48 volts (4 batteries).
Series loops are the way to multiply voltage, which makes your pumps faster. The more batteries you have, the longer you can play without charging. So, if you have two pumps and six batteries, I would suggest three batteries to each pump and separate the loops to make them independent of each other.
Streetchargers are good! I don't have one, but a lot of the people in my club swear by them and makes the set-up easier to live with. As long as you drive it enough to keep everything charged.

No dumb questions here. I had to ask them once too...

EyePoppin · 02-12-2004, 11:43 AM

Another way to look it is for each pump, to keep volts up, have a separate bay for each pump, as he said above. Im just using other words because it was confusing me trying to read that post up there.

Increasing voltage will increase speed, if u keep the same ammount of batteries and add pumps ure system will 1 be the same fastnes the first time u hit the switch, then it will get slower, or if u just put 1 battery on each pump it will be slower.

I dont know how u have ure system set up, if u have 2 bays of 2 batteries for each pump or if u have 1 bay of 4 batteries for both. If u have the 2 bays, switch it to 1 bay and u will notice the difference.

heresdamanladies · 02-12-2004, 07:11 PM

um i dont know honestly how they are set up cant remember the trucks at my mom and dads ill take a look at it tomarow i should be over there thanks you very much for your guys help greatly appreciated. Jason

Tandem-Madness · 02-14-2004, 08:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by RikuY

Let me try to answer your questions. More batteries equals more voltage to the motors equals faster rises. This only works when batteries are run series to get voltage up, i.e. 4 batteries equals 48 volts. Two more goes to 72 volts and that is some good juice to get to a pump. Watch for solenoids though. Prestolite boxes, IMO, are the way to go. If you pump each corner, the fluid moving is doubled. As in, twice the fluid will be moved into cylinders which equals faster rises, as long as same voltage is going to both pumps now (double batteries). In other words, two pumps at 48 volts each (8 batteries) will be twice as fast as 1 pump at 48 volts (4 batteries).
Series loops are the way to multiply voltage, which makes your pumps faster. The more batteries you have, the longer you can play without charging. So, if you have two pumps and six batteries, I would suggest three batteries to each pump and separate the loops to make them independent of each other.
Streetchargers are good! I don't have one, but a lot of the people in my club swear by them and makes the set-up easier to live with. As long as you drive it enough to keep everything charged.

No dumb questions here. I had to ask them once too...

This pretty much said it all...but one word of caution...

The more voltage you sent to the pumps (motors) the faster they will be, but that also means more abuse. You have to remember that the motors are only rated at 12 volts, but we run them at a minimum 24 to keep the dumps working correctly ( too low voltage, and they "stick:"). The split second that 24 v is used on the pump is not really that detrimental (? sp) to them, but cranking the juice up to 36, 48. or higher voltage is eating the bushings away.

I always recommend 24 volts, but with more "banks" of batteries for more play time.

heresdamanladies · 02-14-2004, 11:34 PM

ok cool thx guys i did look at my batteries when i went over there today it went positive to neg but when ever i started playing one of the pumps started smoking so im guess it might be out of oil but i dont know how to refill them i saw this nut but i didnt want to take it off cause i didnt know if there was pressure or what? there red's pumps can any one tell me how to refill them ?? thanks Jason

heresdamanladies · 02-16-2004, 07:28 PM

ya well i went to check the level in my tanks and i found out there was just motor oil in the pumps so i put hydro fluid in them . now i need to find a new way for a quick dissconnect instead of the jumper cable deal thing Jason

EyePoppin · 02-17-2004, 08:54 AM

BTW u just unscrew that nut and fill the pumps back up, make sure ure truck is all the way down.

umm you may want to change the oil in ure tanks and not mix hydro fluid and oil in them...

Any welding supply store will have the disconnect.

heresdamanladies · 02-17-2004, 07:37 PM

cool thx alot eyepoppin Jason

haktup · 02-18-2004, 07:15 PM

I do have a suggestion for you seek out someone near you that has had hydros for awhile or find a shop seeing that you don't have that much experience they may be able to help you out . It is always good to find a mentor when you are first starting out . Also go to shows talk to people there never take just one persons word for it. It is easier to have a peer group so you learn the right way when I first started working with hydro's I was a numb skull I had someone I thought knew alot around me but I learned real fast that person only thought he knew alot I did tons of research look on the net . Lots of info out there. It just scares me you don't know too much and you said the pump was smoking I would hate to see you throw money away.

Holy CHrist I just became my freaking parents I am getting old!

heresdamanladies · 02-18-2004, 09:43 PM

ok cool thanks alot ya thats what ill end up doing i gotta find a place around me thanks alot Jason

heresdamanladies · 02-23-2004, 12:54 AM

ok i have four batteries one bank do u guys think i should get 2 more batteries to make 6 in the bank or should i get 4 more and make 2 banks or should i just make 2 banks with what i got??? i want it faster but like tandem madness said shoudl i keep it 24 volts ? if so how many banks can i have is there really a number like 2 batteries = 24 volts right? can i have 4 banks so 8 batteries?? thanks guys im still tryign to learn i went to prohoppers website for there tutorial anyone else know of a good tutorial? thx Jason

heresdamanladies · 02-23-2004, 12:55 AM

right now i belive im running 48 volts

heresdamanladies · 02-23-2004, 01:00 AM

im all confused lol sorry guys more batteries = more play time if i hook up 2 batteries my dad has in the garage will i notce a difference in speed or just longer play time thanks

EyePoppin · 02-23-2004, 08:26 AM

no no no no no, more batteries in 1 bank means faster lift ETC. the more batteries in 2 banks could mean a little more play time. You being a N00b to the dro scene, id say keep the 4 batteries, break em to 2 banks, so u have 2 batteries on each pump at 24 volts each. I had a 24 volt system and it was quick enough for me, plus i didnt want my truck to snap up anyways, i just wanted to be able to lift it, drive it, and set it down.

heresdamanladies · 02-23-2004, 07:09 PM

ok cool thx Jason

NoDime4myTime · 02-24-2004, 04:01 PM

you can add 36 batteries and it will move fast, but if you get competition blocks (with air shrader in block) bigger gears, italian dumps, 1 inch check valves and lines, you can move way faster even say with 1 pump 48 volts than someone running 2 pumps 72 volts and nothing done to their pumps.

02-11-2004, 08:13 PM	#1
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	hydro ? ok im new to hydros i know air bags bigger tank = more air , bigger lines and valves= faster raise and lower times. but what makes hydros faster?? i have four batteriesand 2 pumps. if i get 2 more batteries that will make me faster right?? what will pumps do if i add pumps? and do u add like a pump for each wheel? and how do you guys recommend runnign batteries parrel or a series? and im looking at geting a street charger www.streetcharger.com has any one ever used one? i think its worth the money all the way , if it works hehe well thanks for your guys time and sorry these are dumb questions but im just learning this stuff thx again Jason
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02-12-2004, 10:08 AM	#2
RikuY Rollin Car Club Age: 31 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 214 Location: Ft. Myers, FL User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? Let me try to answer your questions. More batteries equals more voltage to the motors equals faster rises. This only works when batteries are run series to get voltage up, i.e. 4 batteries equals 48 volts. Two more goes to 72 volts and that is some good juice to get to a pump. Watch for solenoids though. Prestolite boxes, IMO, are the way to go. If you pump each corner, the fluid moving is doubled. As in, twice the fluid will be moved into cylinders which equals faster rises, as long as same voltage is going to both pumps now (double batteries). In other words, two pumps at 48 volts each (8 batteries) will be twice as fast as 1 pump at 48 volts (4 batteries). Series loops are the way to multiply voltage, which makes your pumps faster. The more batteries you have, the longer you can play without charging. So, if you have two pumps and six batteries, I would suggest three batteries to each pump and separate the loops to make them independent of each other. Streetchargers are good! I don't have one, but a lot of the people in my club swear by them and makes the set-up easier to live with. As long as you drive it enough to keep everything charged. No dumb questions here. I had to ask them once too...
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02-12-2004, 11:43 AM	#3
EyePoppin Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,825 Location: Grand Rapids, MI User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? Another way to look it is for each pump, to keep volts up, have a separate bay for each pump, as he said above. Im just using other words because it was confusing me trying to read that post up there. Increasing voltage will increase speed, if u keep the same ammount of batteries and add pumps ure system will 1 be the same fastnes the first time u hit the switch, then it will get slower, or if u just put 1 battery on each pump it will be slower. I dont know how u have ure system set up, if u have 2 bays of 2 batteries for each pump or if u have 1 bay of 4 batteries for both. If u have the 2 bays, switch it to 1 bay and u will notice the difference.
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02-12-2004, 07:11 PM	#4
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? um i dont know honestly how they are set up cant remember the trucks at my mom and dads ill take a look at it tomarow i should be over there thanks you very much for your guys help greatly appreciated. Jason
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02-14-2004, 08:08 AM	#5
Tandem-Madness Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 185 Location: Ridgely, MD User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? Quote: Originally Posted by RikuY Let me try to answer your questions. More batteries equals more voltage to the motors equals faster rises. This only works when batteries are run series to get voltage up, i.e. 4 batteries equals 48 volts. Two more goes to 72 volts and that is some good juice to get to a pump. Watch for solenoids though. Prestolite boxes, IMO, are the way to go. If you pump each corner, the fluid moving is doubled. As in, twice the fluid will be moved into cylinders which equals faster rises, as long as same voltage is going to both pumps now (double batteries). In other words, two pumps at 48 volts each (8 batteries) will be twice as fast as 1 pump at 48 volts (4 batteries). Series loops are the way to multiply voltage, which makes your pumps faster. The more batteries you have, the longer you can play without charging. So, if you have two pumps and six batteries, I would suggest three batteries to each pump and separate the loops to make them independent of each other. Streetchargers are good! I don't have one, but a lot of the people in my club swear by them and makes the set-up easier to live with. As long as you drive it enough to keep everything charged. No dumb questions here. I had to ask them once too... This pretty much said it all...but one word of caution... The more voltage you sent to the pumps (motors) the faster they will be, but that also means more abuse. You have to remember that the motors are only rated at 12 volts, but we run them at a minimum 24 to keep the dumps working correctly ( too low voltage, and they "stick:"). The split second that 24 v is used on the pump is not really that detrimental (? sp) to them, but cranking the juice up to 36, 48. or higher voltage is eating the bushings away. I always recommend 24 volts, but with more "banks" of batteries for more play time.
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02-14-2004, 11:34 PM	#6
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? ok cool thx guys i did look at my batteries when i went over there today it went positive to neg but when ever i started playing one of the pumps started smoking so im guess it might be out of oil but i dont know how to refill them i saw this nut but i didnt want to take it off cause i didnt know if there was pressure or what? there red's pumps can any one tell me how to refill them ?? thanks Jason
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02-16-2004, 07:28 PM	#7
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? ya well i went to check the level in my tanks and i found out there was just motor oil in the pumps so i put hydro fluid in them . now i need to find a new way for a quick dissconnect instead of the jumper cable deal thing Jason
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02-17-2004, 08:54 AM	#8
EyePoppin Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,825 Location: Grand Rapids, MI User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? BTW u just unscrew that nut and fill the pumps back up, make sure ure truck is all the way down. umm you may want to change the oil in ure tanks and not mix hydro fluid and oil in them... Any welding supply store will have the disconnect.
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02-17-2004, 07:37 PM	#9
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? cool thx alot eyepoppin Jason
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02-18-2004, 07:15 PM	#10
haktup not a such a fatso anymor Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 883 Location: grand rapids, mi User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? I do have a suggestion for you seek out someone near you that has had hydros for awhile or find a shop seeing that you don't have that much experience they may be able to help you out . It is always good to find a mentor when you are first starting out . Also go to shows talk to people there never take just one persons word for it. It is easier to have a peer group so you learn the right way when I first started working with hydro's I was a numb skull I had someone I thought knew alot around me but I learned real fast that person only thought he knew alot I did tons of research look on the net . Lots of info out there. It just scares me you don't know too much and you said the pump was smoking I would hate to see you throw money away. Holy CHrist I just became my freaking parents I am getting old!
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02-18-2004, 09:43 PM	#11
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? ok cool thanks alot ya thats what ill end up doing i gotta find a place around me thanks alot Jason
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02-23-2004, 12:54 AM	#12
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? ok i have four batteries one bank do u guys think i should get 2 more batteries to make 6 in the bank or should i get 4 more and make 2 banks or should i just make 2 banks with what i got??? i want it faster but like tandem madness said shoudl i keep it 24 volts ? if so how many banks can i have is there really a number like 2 batteries = 24 volts right? can i have 4 banks so 8 batteries?? thanks guys im still tryign to learn i went to prohoppers website for there tutorial anyone else know of a good tutorial? thx Jason
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02-23-2004, 12:55 AM	#13
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? right now i belive im running 48 volts
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02-23-2004, 01:00 AM	#14
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? im all confused lol sorry guys more batteries = more play time if i hook up 2 batteries my dad has in the garage will i notce a difference in speed or just longer play time thanks
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02-23-2004, 08:26 AM	#15
EyePoppin Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,825 Location: Grand Rapids, MI User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? no no no no no, more batteries in 1 bank means faster lift ETC. the more batteries in 2 banks could mean a little more play time. You being a N00b to the dro scene, id say keep the 4 batteries, break em to 2 banks, so u have 2 batteries on each pump at 24 volts each. I had a 24 volt system and it was quick enough for me, plus i didnt want my truck to snap up anyways, i just wanted to be able to lift it, drive it, and set it down.
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02-23-2004, 07:09 PM	#16
heresdamanladies Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 954 Location: near st.louis User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? ok cool thx Jason
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02-24-2004, 04:01 PM	#17
NoDime4myTime dont be a pussy Age: 26 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 315 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hydro ? you can add 36 batteries and it will move fast, but if you get competition blocks (with air shrader in block) bigger gears, italian dumps, 1 inch check valves and lines, you can move way faster even say with 1 pump 48 volts than someone running 2 pumps 72 volts and nothing done to their pumps.
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