front dro setup.

Blazed22s · 03-31-2008, 06:43 PM

i looked around on here, couldnt find pics. just wondering how you all did your front cylinder and coil set-ups. or just how you mounted the cylinders and such. pics would be appreciated! i have an idea, but just wanting to see how it has been done.

also, what size coils did you use? 1/2 ton, 1 ton, what?

itzmeto · 04-01-2008, 12:27 AM

you can run it like what ive got done i dont have pics but coil under is what guys usually do up front....as for the coil all depends what u want to do...i got pre-cut 1 tons and i love em'....for mounting the cylinder just make the shock bolt hole bigger with a whole saw then install your donut...ill try to get pics...

Blazed22s · 04-01-2008, 10:03 AM

well i have barnyard lower control arms, so i have a flat plate on the bottom, and the way i was thinkin i could run them was to mount the bottom of the cylinder to the control arm, and then put spring around the cylinder body and weld the upper donut into the spring pocket so i wont move.

the end result im wanting is to lay on my 22's and still have a decent ride with a lot of lift. i lay right now with bags, and get plenty of lift. but im about to BD and want a couple extra inches of lift to clear the wheels after the BD.

Blazed22s · 04-01-2008, 10:51 AM

kinda like this.

and then have the upper donut welded to the inside of the spring pocket.

Kunde · 04-04-2008, 04:26 PM

my suggestion is to NOT run SPRINGS. use accumulators. they ride FANTASTIC. springs will just make you hop all over the road when driving and you will hate it.

Blazed22s · 04-04-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Kunde

my suggestion is to NOT run SPRINGS. use accumulators. they ride FANTASTIC. springs will just make you hop all over the road when driving and you will hate it.

well from what i have been reading if you just run accumulators, then the cylinder acts like a shock, and the seals will wear out a lot faster and start to leak. and if you run the coils, they will take the abuse of the road, not the cylinders.

i'd imagine if you run the right size coils for your vehicle, it should nice, and not bouncy, and your cylinders wont go through seals as quick

itzmeto · 04-10-2008, 10:01 AM

i got one tons and it rides better than stock no doubt about it....1 tons coils and 8 inch cylinders....no shocks, no accums...

juiced dimebag · 04-10-2008, 01:16 PM

ya i see what ur talkin about u want to do a coil over on the front that is how my truck is setup.the reason mines setup like that is cuz i made my own a arms so the bottoms dont have coil pockets. i run a coil over and accumulators and it rides pretty good

InkedNJuiced · 04-12-2008, 03:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by juiced dimebag

ya i see what ur talkin about u want to do a coil over on the front that is how my truck is setup.the reason mines setup like that is cuz i made my own a arms so the bottoms dont have coil pockets. i run a coil over and accumulators and it rides pretty good

Just "pretty good"?!

I've heard from guys runnin just accums that say their S10 rides like a caddy.

I've also heard grom guys runnin just springs that say their S10 rides way nice.

Does having both counter-act the purpose of the accums?

Or does it just need tuning?...via accumulator pressure...

juiced dimebag · 04-13-2008, 04:41 PM

the only reason i have accumulators as well is because my spring is very small on my truck so the spring bottoms out quickly so i have accumulators for the rest of the distance

oops2low · 04-13-2008, 09:00 PM

i ran 1 tons on my old dime with accums an it rode kinda crappy. but it also depends on the pressure thast you are runnin the accums at. too high of pressure an it rides like a rock. too little pressure an they will bounce all over the place. so ya just have to find the correct pressure. i have been readin up on it an it looks like it is gonna be around 350-400 psi in your accums.

getto · 04-16-2008, 09:33 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Blazed22s

well from what i have been reading if you just run accumulators, then the cylinder acts like a shock, and the seals will wear out a lot faster and start to leak. and if you run the coils, they will take the abuse of the road, not the cylinders.

i'd imagine if you run the right size coils for your vehicle, it should nice, and not bouncy, and your cylinders wont go through seals as quick

i run both to keep the cylinder from wearing the seal too much ...BUT it also will help to run both if you ARENT running a sway bar i got 10"s in front on super modded arms for lift and drop and i love the accumies and springs on the front. i use stock s10 coilos cut down as well not any specific springs for hydro use. you gotta find what works in your case but its good to see what everyone else does for referance.

Squeek · 04-24-2008, 10:38 PM

i took brand new rear springs for an 80's cutless, and cut one in half for each side. worked pretty nice for me

getto · 04-25-2008, 12:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by oops2low

i ran 1 tons on my old dime with accums an it rode kinda crappy. but it also depends on the pressure thast you are runnin the accums at. too high of pressure an it rides like a rock. too little pressure an they will bounce all over the place. so ya just have to find the correct pressure. i have been readin up on it an it looks like it is gonna be around 350-400 psi in your accums.

fill up your accumies to the max {350}psi and drive/release acordingly

getto · 04-25-2008, 12:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Squeek

i took brand new rear springs for an 80's cutless, and cut one in half for each side. worked pretty nice for me

what "rear" springs? as in what stock? i thought they were leaf sprung from the factory?>>>>>if they had coils was i fvckin lost or what

Squeek · 04-25-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by getto

what "rear" springs? as in what stock? i thought they were leaf sprung from the factory?>>>>>if they had coils was i fvckin lost or what

lol yup factory coil springs

getto · 04-29-2008, 09:47 AM

wow im lost, but ne way you just gotta find what coils work for u. ive used camaro coils in front of juiced minis and they work alright as well, kinda gotta just trial and error it ya know?

InkedNJuiced · 04-30-2008, 09:49 PM

Anyone have pics of how they mounted the front cylinder?

Just drilled out the shock hole with a doughnut or what?

getto · 05-01-2008, 11:37 AM

dont know if these help but its all the pics i got in any detail, i run lower cups and springs no do-nut

InkedNJuiced · 05-01-2008, 02:07 PM

So the lip on the cylinder just sits in the hole you cut out?

5.74x4 · 05-02-2008, 07:55 AM

Getto- I hope you have major reinforcing on those uppers. The ones on my truck were cut like yours but not as far down and I hit a bad pothole once and the truck started shaking really bad, i figured i knocked it out of alignment but after i got home i saw that the passenger side arm had folded almost in half. Not trying to be a dick, just letting you know what happened to me.

getto · 05-02-2008, 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by InkedNJuiced

So the lip on the cylinder just sits in the hole you cut out?

no the spring hits the top and disperses the pressure evenly around the frame, i run srings and accumies. i could take some more this weekend if i remember to and try to post em, sorry it was so fvckin big i forgot to resize but figured youd get the idea...also i have a plate welded inside the frame but not a real donut per say but acts similiar to one.

getto · 05-02-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 5.74x4

Getto- I hope you have major reinforcing on those uppers. The ones on my truck were cut like yours but not as far down and I hit a bad pothole once and the truck started shaking really bad, i figured i knocked it out of alignment but after i got home i saw that the passenger side arm had folded almost in half. Not trying to be a dick, just letting you know what happened to me.

no doubt, im not sensitive dude, if some one sees something and makes a legitimate query about what im doin i will not get pissy, your not being a dick at all just lookin out, i only get raggt when know it alls tell me how much better they do/can do and find out they dont even have anything close built but have the nerve to bash everyone else, so i take no offense bro, i actually thank you for the heads up, but im plated and crossed up like a old caddy lowrider arm.

***98layinframe*** · 05-02-2008, 11:48 AM

damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume?

ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out?

InkedNJuiced · 05-02-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe

damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume?

ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out?

It's getto ya dig?!

Have you played with your pressure at all?

I remember reading your ride wasn't that great...??

Thanks for the input

itzmeto · 05-04-2008, 01:47 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by getto

dont know if these help but its all the pics i got in any detail, i run lower cups and springs no do-nut

WTF is that...why are your uca's cut so freakin much...what the hell is bolted to the lca?...your cups are upside down....you missed a couple of welds...why is the spring pocket cut out as if it was bagged!...your missing a bolt on your ball joint...c'mon dude im sorry but its ppl like you ruining the sport....one hit of a switch and all hell is going to break loose...please do not drive this thing down the road you are going to end up killing some one or yourself...this looks like a pretty ghetto setup man...sorry to be the one to break this to you!

rollinondubs · 05-04-2008, 05:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe

damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume?

ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out?

thats alright bro you canbash me but what u cant see is the plating under,cross the arm yeah i didnd clean it up cause im makin new ones but thats alright yiou can hate and try to point out all the things wrong with it, youi must not got anything better to do then be almighty and try to belittle my work, but its ok ive been at this "minitruckin" thing prior to you little comment so have fun and enjoy your little power trip/this waqs to help some one out a little so its not he finished gig, but as i see people love to just pick everyone aprt to make them selves look better. is main reason i dont fvck with thisw site too much anymore but i come to the juice thread to try to help someone out and the almighty better then everyone else had to point shit out. sorry im not as cool as you bro, i was just trying to get some pics up for inkedand juiced to give an idea, but i guess helpn somneone is shitty. im sure if he saw my shit and thought it was junk he could decipher what was good as and what was not, but i forgot to relinquish the fact that im not perfect and i didnt give a fvck what u thought so sorry im not perfect but i was trying to help this dude out, if you r so

fvckin good y dont u post pics of your front setup and show him a better way?

rollinondubs · 05-04-2008, 05:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by rollinondubs

thats alright bro you canbash me but what u cant see is the plating under,cross the arm yeah i didnd clean it up cause im makin new ones but thats alright yiou can hate and try to point out all the things wrong with it, youi must not got anything better to do then be almighty and try to belittle my work, but its ok ive been at this "minitruckin" thing prior to you little comment so have fun and enjoy your little power trip/this waqs to help some one out a little so its not he finished gig, but as i see people love to just pick everyone aprt to make them selves look better. is main reason i dont fvck with thisw site too much anymore but i come to the juice thread to try to help someone out and the almighty better then everyone else had to point shit out. sorry im not as cool as you bro, i was just trying to get some pics up for inkedand juiced to give an idea, but i guess helpn somneone is shitty. im sure if he saw my shit and thought it was junk he could decipher what was good as and what was not, but i forgot to relinquish the fact that im not perfect and i didnt give a fvck what u thought so sorry im not perfect but i was trying to help this dude out, if you r so fvckin good y dont u post pics of your front setup and show him a better way?

oh ps im getto not rollin on dubs i just happened to be on his comp when i noticed the perfectness and rightousness, sorry im not as cool as you man i will be sure to build my truck to your exacting standards next time, but maybe you can bash ut when u see it in person,y the fvck do dudesa have to fvckin tell everyone how bad thier shit is??? i was tryin to help this dude a little and u r gonna talk shit?? must be nice to be perfect...

rollinondubs · 05-04-2008, 05:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by itzmeto

WTF is that...why are your uca's cut so freakin much...what the hell is bolted to the lca?...your cups are upside down....you missed a couple of welds...why is the spring pocket cut out as if it was bagged!...your missing a bolt on your ball joint...c'mon dude im sorry but its ppl like you ruining the sport....one hit of a switch and all hell is going to break loose...please do not drive this thing down the road you are going to end up killing some one or yourself...this looks like a pretty ghetto setup man...sorry to be the one to break this to you!

i rushed a little to get some paint onall my sussp. its redone and yto answer why its cut so much?? i have 7" bodydrop so i had to clear the frame, i have redone the frame and as a matter of fact, i am hittin switches right now, its all good, but i see y u would warn me it looked like shit, i just tried to podst some pics to show this dude how i was runnin my shit but your not breakin anything to me, now you cut 3/4 into your door on 20" and see how u make out?? i was learning and have since better welded my frame, as far as the missing bolt ye4s i am but i also scrapped the shitty bolts and replaced with grade 8 i was just tryin to give this kid an idea of my front setup, im not perfect and i have also re gusseted my frame and the spacers on the balljoints r to shim them to lay on the wheels, not a daily, but is redone a bit cleaner./strongr but dont have finished pics to show how i did my front.but thankws for tryin to shit in my cereaql, i love all these internet proff. who love to bash everyone, if i did so shitty why not try to help me instead of ripping my head off? if u were that concerned y not tell me how to fix?? peiople love to point shit out but never like to nhelp someone fix? thanks a lot bro but im not as dope as you and itg took me 2 sets of a arms to do it right but i didnt see anyone else give this dude any real ideas so i posted what i had, i guess i will go back to being a hermit and not trty to help anyone here like everyone else, and before you talk some more shit, this dude is in no way new to this he was lookin to get some ideas and i was givin him a "basic guideline" my truck is a shitloaqd lower then yours so i neede to do alot more to minr then you. i have redone the front of the truck was just tryin to post what i had since no one really gave this cat any ideas but worry not oh so perfect i prolly will bounce like mad other dudes cause of the perfectionist bulshit, instead of talkin so much fvckin shit y dont u proceed to help someone if they r so inneed of it??? isnt that what this shit is for?? but i guess im a hurb and you r doored on 20" so i will fvck right off into my hole, oh and ps how come when people have legitimate ??? no one really trys to help but as soon as they can bash the shit out of them the posts flow like water?? if you were that concerned you should have told inkedandjuiced whaty to do to fix what i posted but aqpparently your life lacks any kind of rightousness only proffesion and you can do no wrong....thanks for the input but y not help instead of talkin so much yang???

***98layinframe*** · 05-04-2008, 10:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by rollinondubs

thats alright bro you canbash me but what u cant see is the plating under,cross the arm yeah i didnd clean it up cause im makin new ones but thats alright yiou can hate and try to point out all the things wrong with it, youi must not got anything better to do then be almighty and try to belittle my work, but its ok ive been at this "minitruckin" thing prior to you little comment so have fun and enjoy your little power trip/this waqs to help some one out a little so its not he finished gig, but as i see people love to just pick everyone aprt to make them selves look better. is main reason i dont fvck with thisw site too much anymore but i come to the juice thread to try to help someone out and the almighty better then everyone else had to point shit out. sorry im not as cool as you bro, i was just trying to get some pics up for inkedand juiced to give an idea, but i guess helpn somneone is shitty. im sure if he saw my shit and thought it was junk he could decipher what was good as and what was not, but i forgot to relinquish the fact that im not perfect and i didnt give a fvck what u thought so sorry im not perfect but i was trying to help this dude out, if you r so fvckin good y dont u post pics of your front setup and show him a better way?

yeah i was expecting this kind of response from you, i could tell you were all defensive about your work from the very begining hense the reason why I was kinda hesitant on even posting in here just for this very reason. Soooo.. if you would of actually read my post and understood it BEFORE you got all defensive and pissy right away you would notice that the very first thing i asked is "why not" do this and do that kinda stuff in my response... why did i do that? Hmm lets see maybe its because haggered torched lines just don't look nice at all? Just relax your up tight little ass and reread my original post.. all i did was ask questions pertaining to making that exact same setup look 100X nicer.

And besides... if you really did change and fix it up so much, why not post those "finished" pics for all to see instead of this work here? So post the underside pics then. And the main question is if your proud enough of the truck to paint everything.. why not spend a little more time cleaning the parts deburring the cuts and smoothing edges before paint? seriously

Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe

damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume?

ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out?

***98layinframe*** · 05-04-2008, 10:46 AM

and you wanted me to post some pics.. here ya go. These were under construction pics before everything was even finished... yet they still look way cleaner then yours simply cause i sand blasted the arms, and cleaned everything before i painted it. Look at the bag pocket, nice clean lines you can safely run your fingers along with out getting cut, the tierod notch.. nice complete bead all the way around.. with no gapping holes between the original frame and the new piece.

And yes i know.. its a bag install so im not comparing that kinda work at all. Im simply stating and showing the work can look so much better if you simply clean up the parts and work before you finish it.

over all, no where near finished

smoothed out all the factory casting marks and blasted the spindles and calipers BEFORE paint.

hey look no gaps in my filler pieces on the arms, nice constant clean weld bead around the tierod notch, and the smooth cuts around the bag.

***DJDAudio*** · 05-04-2008, 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by getto

i run both to keep the cylinder from wearing the seal too much ...BUT it also will help to run both if you ARENT running a sway bar i got 10"s in front on super modded arms for lift and drop and i love the accumies and springs on the front. i use stock s10 coilos cut down as well not any specific springs for hydro use. you gotta find what works in your case but its good to see what everyone else does for referance.

I hope I can help on this topic.
We have a hydraulic engineer at my work that I have picked his brain often.

Here is the deal with accumulators.

If you are running a stock spring for that vehicle then it will compress at the correct weight to travel ratio (spring rate) and the ride will be stock. for the hydraulic fluid can not compress so therefore the cylinder will not move and your seals will not wear. the only need for accumulators is when the spiring is stiffer (higher spring rate) then stock as in a 3 ton spring. an accumulator can be adjusted to match the weight to travel ratio needed for a comfortable ride. and will give before the 3 ton spring will. But your cylinder will now be in constant motion so your seals will wear fast. The problem lies when you use both accumulators and a soft spring. you will have the accumulator and coil spring constantly fighting themselves (2 different spring rates) Hence why my avatar pic never worked) this fighting will actually move the cylinder more then if no spring was there. So by running both allot of guys wear out the cylinders faster.

I hope that helped clear some things up lol,

Squeek · 05-04-2008, 10:00 PM

yea man, he's not busting your balls he's trying to say that those welds are NOT safe. i'm not a welder by any means, not i know when something doesn't look right. i'm not afraid to tell you that it is half assed!!!!!. no bs'in around it. if i lived around you, i would not be on th same road as that truck! and so you claim to have fixed everything and it looks so much better, then why wouldn't you post those? the only way you helped any body is how to show them NOT to a front set up

getto · 06-10-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe

and you wanted me to post some pics.. here ya go. These were under construction pics before everything was even finished... yet they still look way cleaner then yours simply cause i sand blasted the arms, and cleaned everything before i painted it. Look at the bag pocket, nice clean lines you can safely run your fingers along with out getting cut, the tierod notch.. nice complete bead all the way around.. with no gapping holes between the original frame and the new piece.

And yes i know.. its a bag install so im not comparing that kinda work at all. Im simply stating and showing the work can look so much better if you simply clean up the parts and work before you finish it.

over all, no where near finished

smoothed out all the factory casting marks and blasted the spindles and calipers BEFORE paint.

hey look no gaps in my filler pieces on the arms, nice constant clean weld bead around the tierod notch, and the smooth cuts around the bag.

looks much better then mine for sure, i actually have done some removing,reworking since all this i will hit up pics when done, sorry for any e thug nonsense i was overly defensive. that goes out to all in this subject,.

disorder · 06-11-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by itzmeto

i got one tons and it rides better than stock no doubt about it....1 tons coils and 8 inch cylinders....no shocks, no accums...

I have reds 1 ton pre cuts . rides great and hops

NssJ · 05-01-2009, 06:45 PM

i just liked seein pics of another way to do it... everything looks like shit til its finished... thats why they sell underconstruction stickers...

anyone have pics of an install with coil under setup up front?

03-31-2008, 06:43 PM	#1
Blazed22s Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Location: User is: OffLine	front dro setup. i looked around on here, couldnt find pics. just wondering how you all did your front cylinder and coil set-ups. or just how you mounted the cylinders and such. pics would be appreciated! i have an idea, but just wanting to see how it has been done. also, what size coils did you use? 1/2 ton, 1 ton, what?
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04-01-2008, 12:27 AM	#2
itzmeto Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 703 Location: peg city User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. you can run it like what ive got done i dont have pics but coil under is what guys usually do up front....as for the coil all depends what u want to do...i got pre-cut 1 tons and i love em'....for mounting the cylinder just make the shock bolt hole bigger with a whole saw then install your donut...ill try to get pics...
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04-01-2008, 10:03 AM	#3
Blazed22s Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. well i have barnyard lower control arms, so i have a flat plate on the bottom, and the way i was thinkin i could run them was to mount the bottom of the cylinder to the control arm, and then put spring around the cylinder body and weld the upper donut into the spring pocket so i wont move. the end result im wanting is to lay on my 22's and still have a decent ride with a lot of lift. i lay right now with bags, and get plenty of lift. but im about to BD and want a couple extra inches of lift to clear the wheels after the BD.
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04-01-2008, 10:51 AM	#4
Blazed22s Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. kinda like this. and then have the upper donut welded to the inside of the spring pocket.
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04-04-2008, 04:26 PM	#5
Kunde deuce deuce! Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 846 Location: QC AZ User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. my suggestion is to NOT run SPRINGS. use accumulators. they ride FANTASTIC. springs will just make you hop all over the road when driving and you will hate it.
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04-04-2008, 06:38 PM	#6
Blazed22s Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by Kunde my suggestion is to NOT run SPRINGS. use accumulators. they ride FANTASTIC. springs will just make you hop all over the road when driving and you will hate it. well from what i have been reading if you just run accumulators, then the cylinder acts like a shock, and the seals will wear out a lot faster and start to leak. and if you run the coils, they will take the abuse of the road, not the cylinders. i'd imagine if you run the right size coils for your vehicle, it should nice, and not bouncy, and your cylinders wont go through seals as quick
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04-10-2008, 10:01 AM	#7
itzmeto Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 703 Location: peg city User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. i got one tons and it rides better than stock no doubt about it....1 tons coils and 8 inch cylinders....no shocks, no accums...
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04-10-2008, 01:16 PM	#8
juiced dimebag Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245 Location: BAKERSFIELD CA User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. ya i see what ur talkin about u want to do a coil over on the front that is how my truck is setup.the reason mines setup like that is cuz i made my own a arms so the bottoms dont have coil pockets. i run a coil over and accumulators and it rides pretty good
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04-12-2008, 03:01 PM	#9
InkedNJuiced Registered Gangster Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 110 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by juiced dimebag ya i see what ur talkin about u want to do a coil over on the front that is how my truck is setup.the reason mines setup like that is cuz i made my own a arms so the bottoms dont have coil pockets. i run a coil over and accumulators and it rides pretty good Just "pretty good"?! I've heard from guys runnin just accums that say their S10 rides like a caddy. I've also heard grom guys runnin just springs that say their S10 rides way nice. Does having both counter-act the purpose of the accums? Or does it just need tuning?...via accumulator pressure...
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04-13-2008, 04:41 PM	#10
juiced dimebag Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 245 Location: BAKERSFIELD CA User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. the only reason i have accumulators as well is because my spring is very small on my truck so the spring bottoms out quickly so i have accumulators for the rest of the distance
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04-13-2008, 09:00 PM	#11
oops2low drag that shit Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 133 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. i ran 1 tons on my old dime with accums an it rode kinda crappy. but it also depends on the pressure thast you are runnin the accums at. too high of pressure an it rides like a rock. too little pressure an they will bounce all over the place. so ya just have to find the correct pressure. i have been readin up on it an it looks like it is gonna be around 350-400 psi in your accums.
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04-16-2008, 09:33 AM	#12
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by Blazed22s well from what i have been reading if you just run accumulators, then the cylinder acts like a shock, and the seals will wear out a lot faster and start to leak. and if you run the coils, they will take the abuse of the road, not the cylinders. i'd imagine if you run the right size coils for your vehicle, it should nice, and not bouncy, and your cylinders wont go through seals as quick i run both to keep the cylinder from wearing the seal too much ...BUT it also will help to run both if you ARENT running a sway bar i got 10"s in front on super modded arms for lift and drop and i love the accumies and springs on the front. i use stock s10 coilos cut down as well not any specific springs for hydro use. you gotta find what works in your case but its good to see what everyone else does for referance.
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04-24-2008, 10:38 PM	#13
Squeek Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,695 Location: my house, ohio User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. i took brand new rear springs for an 80's cutless, and cut one in half for each side. worked pretty nice for me
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04-25-2008, 12:47 PM	#14
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by oops2low i ran 1 tons on my old dime with accums an it rode kinda crappy. but it also depends on the pressure thast you are runnin the accums at. too high of pressure an it rides like a rock. too little pressure an they will bounce all over the place. so ya just have to find the correct pressure. i have been readin up on it an it looks like it is gonna be around 350-400 psi in your accums. fill up your accumies to the max {350}psi and drive/release acordingly
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04-25-2008, 12:48 PM	#15
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by Squeek i took brand new rear springs for an 80's cutless, and cut one in half for each side. worked pretty nice for me what "rear" springs? as in what stock? i thought they were leaf sprung from the factory?>>>>>if they had coils was i fvckin lost or what
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04-25-2008, 04:31 PM	#16
Squeek Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,695 Location: my house, ohio User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by getto what "rear" springs? as in what stock? i thought they were leaf sprung from the factory?>>>>>if they had coils was i fvckin lost or what lol yup factory coil springs
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04-29-2008, 09:47 AM	#17
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. wow im lost, but ne way you just gotta find what coils work for u. ive used camaro coils in front of juiced minis and they work alright as well, kinda gotta just trial and error it ya know?
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04-30-2008, 09:49 PM	#18
InkedNJuiced Registered Gangster Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 110 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Anyone have pics of how they mounted the front cylinder? Just drilled out the shock hole with a doughnut or what?
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05-01-2008, 11:37 AM	#19
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. dont know if these help but its all the pics i got in any detail, i run lower cups and springs no do-nut
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05-01-2008, 02:07 PM	#20
InkedNJuiced Registered Gangster Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 110 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. So the lip on the cylinder just sits in the hole you cut out?
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05-02-2008, 07:55 AM	#21
5.74x4 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 824 Location: corydon,indiana User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Getto- I hope you have major reinforcing on those uppers. The ones on my truck were cut like yours but not as far down and I hit a bad pothole once and the truck started shaking really bad, i figured i knocked it out of alignment but after i got home i saw that the passenger side arm had folded almost in half. Not trying to be a dick, just letting you know what happened to me.
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05-02-2008, 09:27 AM	#22
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by InkedNJuiced So the lip on the cylinder just sits in the hole you cut out? no the spring hits the top and disperses the pressure evenly around the frame, i run srings and accumies. i could take some more this weekend if i remember to and try to post em, sorry it was so fvckin big i forgot to resize but figured youd get the idea...also i have a plate welded inside the frame but not a real donut per say but acts similiar to one.
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05-02-2008, 09:30 AM	#23
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by 5.74x4 Getto- I hope you have major reinforcing on those uppers. The ones on my truck were cut like yours but not as far down and I hit a bad pothole once and the truck started shaking really bad, i figured i knocked it out of alignment but after i got home i saw that the passenger side arm had folded almost in half. Not trying to be a dick, just letting you know what happened to me. no doubt, im not sensitive dude, if some one sees something and makes a legitimate query about what im doin i will not get pissy, your not being a dick at all just lookin out, i only get raggt when know it alls tell me how much better they do/can do and find out they dont even have anything close built but have the nerve to bash everyone else, so i take no offense bro, i actually thank you for the heads up, but im plated and crossed up like a old caddy lowrider arm.
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05-02-2008, 02:57 PM	#25
InkedNJuiced Registered Gangster Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 110 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume? ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out? It's getto ya dig?! Have you played with your pressure at all? I remember reading your ride wasn't that great...?? Thanks for the input
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05-04-2008, 01:47 AM	#26
itzmeto Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 703 Location: peg city User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by getto dont know if these help but its all the pics i got in any detail, i run lower cups and springs no do-nut WTF is that...why are your uca's cut so freakin much...what the hell is bolted to the lca?...your cups are upside down....you missed a couple of welds...why is the spring pocket cut out as if it was bagged!...your missing a bolt on your ball joint...c'mon dude im sorry but its ppl like you ruining the sport....one hit of a switch and all hell is going to break loose...please do not drive this thing down the road you are going to end up killing some one or yourself...this looks like a pretty ghetto setup man...sorry to be the one to break this to you!
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05-04-2008, 05:20 AM	#27
rollinondubs Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe damn dude... why not smooth all those cuts out with a grinder and or a flap disk atleast to clean it up a little before ya painted it all? Sorry but it just really doesnt look that safe with the upper arm all torched out like that with no reinforcement of any kind or the upper balljoint with the missing bolt and lastly the washers to angle it i assume? ALso the lower arms.. there again, why not make the filler plate bif enough to cover the entire area and weld it all in and smooth it out? thats alright bro you canbash me but what u cant see is the plating under,cross the arm yeah i didnd clean it up cause im makin new ones but thats alright yiou can hate and try to point out all the things wrong with it, youi must not got anything better to do then be almighty and try to belittle my work, but its ok ive been at this "minitruckin" thing prior to you little comment so have fun and enjoy your little power trip/this waqs to help some one out a little so its not he finished gig, but as i see people love to just pick everyone aprt to make them selves look better. is main reason i dont fvck with thisw site too much anymore but i come to the juice thread to try to help someone out and the almighty better then everyone else had to point shit out. sorry im not as cool as you bro, i was just trying to get some pics up for inkedand juiced to give an idea, but i guess helpn somneone is shitty. im sure if he saw my shit and thought it was junk he could decipher what was good as and what was not, but i forgot to relinquish the fact that im not perfect and i didnt give a fvck what u thought so sorry im not perfect but i was trying to help this dude out, if you r so fvckin good y dont u post pics of your front setup and show him a better way?
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05-04-2008, 05:25 AM	#28
rollinondubs Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by rollinondubs thats alright bro you canbash me but what u cant see is the plating under,cross the arm yeah i didnd clean it up cause im makin new ones but thats alright yiou can hate and try to point out all the things wrong with it, youi must not got anything better to do then be almighty and try to belittle my work, but its ok ive been at this "minitruckin" thing prior to you little comment so have fun and enjoy your little power trip/this waqs to help some one out a little so its not he finished gig, but as i see people love to just pick everyone aprt to make them selves look better. is main reason i dont fvck with thisw site too much anymore but i come to the juice thread to try to help someone out and the almighty better then everyone else had to point shit out. sorry im not as cool as you bro, i was just trying to get some pics up for inkedand juiced to give an idea, but i guess helpn somneone is shitty. im sure if he saw my shit and thought it was junk he could decipher what was good as and what was not, but i forgot to relinquish the fact that im not perfect and i didnt give a fvck what u thought so sorry im not perfect but i was trying to help this dude out, if you r so fvckin good y dont u post pics of your front setup and show him a better way? oh ps im getto not rollin on dubs i just happened to be on his comp when i noticed the perfectness and rightousness, sorry im not as cool as you man i will be sure to build my truck to your exacting standards next time, but maybe you can bash ut when u see it in person,y the fvck do dudesa have to fvckin tell everyone how bad thier shit is??? i was tryin to help this dude a little and u r gonna talk shit?? must be nice to be perfect...
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05-04-2008, 05:55 AM	#29
rollinondubs Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by itzmeto WTF is that...why are your uca's cut so freakin much...what the hell is bolted to the lca?...your cups are upside down....you missed a couple of welds...why is the spring pocket cut out as if it was bagged!...your missing a bolt on your ball joint...c'mon dude im sorry but its ppl like you ruining the sport....one hit of a switch and all hell is going to break loose...please do not drive this thing down the road you are going to end up killing some one or yourself...this looks like a pretty ghetto setup man...sorry to be the one to break this to you! i rushed a little to get some paint onall my sussp. its redone and yto answer why its cut so much?? i have 7" bodydrop so i had to clear the frame, i have redone the frame and as a matter of fact, i am hittin switches right now, its all good, but i see y u would warn me it looked like shit, i just tried to podst some pics to show this dude how i was runnin my shit but your not breakin anything to me, now you cut 3/4 into your door on 20" and see how u make out?? i was learning and have since better welded my frame, as far as the missing bolt ye4s i am but i also scrapped the shitty bolts and replaced with grade 8 i was just tryin to give this kid an idea of my front setup, im not perfect and i have also re gusseted my frame and the spacers on the balljoints r to shim them to lay on the wheels, not a daily, but is redone a bit cleaner./strongr but dont have finished pics to show how i did my front.but thankws for tryin to shit in my cereaql, i love all these internet proff. who love to bash everyone, if i did so shitty why not try to help me instead of ripping my head off? if u were that concerned y not tell me how to fix?? peiople love to point shit out but never like to nhelp someone fix? thanks a lot bro but im not as dope as you and itg took me 2 sets of a arms to do it right but i didnt see anyone else give this dude any real ideas so i posted what i had, i guess i will go back to being a hermit and not trty to help anyone here like everyone else, and before you talk some more shit, this dude is in no way new to this he was lookin to get some ideas and i was givin him a "basic guideline" my truck is a shitloaqd lower then yours so i neede to do alot more to minr then you. i have redone the front of the truck was just tryin to post what i had since no one really gave this cat any ideas but worry not oh so perfect i prolly will bounce like mad other dudes cause of the perfectionist bulshit, instead of talkin so much fvckin shit y dont u proceed to help someone if they r so inneed of it??? isnt that what this shit is for?? but i guess im a hurb and you r doored on 20" so i will fvck right off into my hole, oh and ps how come when people have legitimate ??? no one really trys to help but as soon as they can bash the shit out of them the posts flow like water?? if you were that concerned you should have told inkedandjuiced whaty to do to fix what i posted but aqpparently your life lacks any kind of rightousness only proffesion and you can do no wrong....thanks for the input but y not help instead of talkin so much yang???
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05-04-2008, 10:00 PM	#33
Squeek Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,695 Location: my house, ohio User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. yea man, he's not busting your balls he's trying to say that those welds are NOT safe. i'm not a welder by any means, not i know when something doesn't look right. i'm not afraid to tell you that it is half assed!!!!!. no bs'in around it. if i lived around you, i would not be on th same road as that truck! and so you claim to have fixed everything and it looks so much better, then why wouldn't you post those? the only way you helped any body is how to show them NOT to a front set up
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06-10-2008, 04:59 PM	#34
getto DOORED AND CHOPPED Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 222 Location: compton User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by 98layinframe and you wanted me to post some pics.. here ya go. These were under construction pics before everything was even finished... yet they still look way cleaner then yours simply cause i sand blasted the arms, and cleaned everything before i painted it. Look at the bag pocket, nice clean lines you can safely run your fingers along with out getting cut, the tierod notch.. nice complete bead all the way around.. with no gapping holes between the original frame and the new piece. And yes i know.. its a bag install so im not comparing that kinda work at all. Im simply stating and showing the work can look so much better if you simply clean up the parts and work before you finish it. over all, no where near finished smoothed out all the factory casting marks and blasted the spindles and calipers BEFORE paint. hey look no gaps in my filler pieces on the arms, nice constant clean weld bead around the tierod notch, and the smooth cuts around the bag. looks much better then mine for sure, i actually have done some removing,reworking since all this i will hit up pics when done, sorry for any e thug nonsense i was overly defensive. that goes out to all in this subject,.
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06-11-2008, 02:54 PM	#35
disorder Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 52 Location: moncks corner sc User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. Quote: Originally Posted by itzmeto i got one tons and it rides better than stock no doubt about it....1 tons coils and 8 inch cylinders....no shocks, no accums... I have reds 1 ton pre cuts . rides great and hops
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05-01-2009, 06:45 PM	#36
NssJ Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 29 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: front dro setup. i just liked seein pics of another way to do it... everything looks like shit til its finished... thats why they sell underconstruction stickers... anyone have pics of an install with coil under setup up front?
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