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Old 08-20-2004, 10:13 AM   #1
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tell me which to buy

#1 if i want to do bodywork only
#2 if i want to do bodywork and framework

a) Lincoln MIG Pak 15 Wire Feed Welder - 750$
b) Lincoln MIG Pak 10 Welder - 600$
c) Lincoln Handy MIG 101 Wire Feed Welder - 550$
d) Lincoln Port-a-Torch Cut Welder - 500$
e) Lincoln Handy Core 100 Wire Feed Welder - 400$
f) Lincoln AC-225 GLM Arc Welder - 370$

any help would be appreciated
Old 08-20-2004, 12:16 PM   #2
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Re: tell me which to buy

#1 - a 135 series mig from miller or lincoln
#2 - a 215+ from miller or lincoln OR a 135 and an arc welder

understand that you don't have the skill to do it properly
Old 08-20-2004, 02:29 PM   #3
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Re: tell me which to buy

Those prices are bullshit you could pick up a miller 175 or a lincoln 175 for around 700 from IOC and Welders supply on ebay brand new with free shipping, and be able to do frame and body work with just one machine. Where are you looking at these welders because your getting ripped?
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Re: tell me which to buy

forgot to mention prices are in canadian dollars.

its the canadian tire site and its weird, all of the different model numbers are NOT listed. So when you guys refer to a cetain model, i got no idea which one your talking about. All i have is the title which i provided and a description of what is included and waht voltage it uses but it would be too much to post on here.

im trying to do more research to figure out what the heck i need but its pretty complicated. i guess anything is when you are learning about it.
Old 08-20-2004, 10:09 PM   #5
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Re: tell me which to buy

Go find a welding supply shop. They'll be cheaper and can get you set up rather than a clerk who knows less than you do.

If you are going through Canadian Tire make sure you at least get a helmet and not the masks they include with their kits. But they're raping you on the helmuts, $50 for one that I might give $20 for, so I highly recommend going somewhere else.

Canadian tire has rebadged versions of the lincoln welders, and it looks like the Pack 10 is a 135 and the Pack 15 is a 175 (judging on voltages).

Don't forget that you'll want to get a bottle of gas instead of the flux core so you'll need the regulator and the correct wire (doesn't say in the description what wire it includes). Most farm supply shops have cylinders available
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Re: tell me which to buy

I have been looking in to getting a welder too. I just looked at a Lincoln 3200 mig welder for $459.99 at Lowes and Home Depot. Is that a decent welder? Says it can weld up to 5/16 thick.
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Re: tell me which to buy

yea go to a welding store
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Re: tell me which to buy

thx a bunch neh for all that useful information. and thx to everyone else who supplied info also.

ill try to find another place to find better prices.

so the flux core are not good huuh?
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Re: tell me which to buy

here is something i found....any good?

Lincoln electric
WELD-PAK™ 100 WIRE FEED WELDER
• 110V, 15 amp input,
62 amp @ 20% output;
20 amp input, 88 amp @ 20% output
• Ideal welder for farm repairs, workshops, and hobbyists
• Welds virtually any light gauge, mild steel material
• Complete with 1 lb. spool of 0.035" flux-cored wire, gun and cable assembly, work clamp and cable, welding shield, spare contact tip, and instructional video
0110148
– Wt. 51.3 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 51999

FLUX-CORE WIRE NOZZLE
0142604
– Wt. 0.1 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.99

WIRE SPOOL ADAPTER
10-11 lbs.
0142711
– Wt. 0.2 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7.99
GAS CONVERSION KIT
Comes with everything you need to convert your Weld Pac 100 to weld with gas including: argon regulator, 52" gas hose, fittings, gas solenoid, gun liner for 0.025" to 0.030" wire, two 0.025" contact tips, gas nozzle, and 2 lbs. of 0.025" MIG welding wire
0142547
– Wt. 7.4 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14999
OR
DECA
WIRE FEED/GAS WELDERS
A) DECASTAR 135E
• 115 volt, 20 amp, AC input
• 85 amps @ 20% duty cycle
• 4 heat settings
0110098
– Wt. 46.1 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 49999

B) DECASTAR 150E
• 115 volt, 20 amp, AC input
• 105 amps @ 20% duty cycle
• 4 heat settings
0110099
– Wt. 68.3 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 59999

C) DECASTAR 180E
• 230 volt, 16 amp, AC input
• 130 amps @ 20% duty cycle
• 6 heat settings
8005561
– Wt. 75.0 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 69999

FEATURES:
• Automatic thermal shutdown protection
• Variable wire speed; cold wire trigger
• Externally mounted torch and ground clamp output jacks for easier switch from flux core wire to gas welding
MIG WELDER
D) DECAMIG 100E
• 115 volt, 20 amp, AC input
• 70 amps @ 15% duty cycle
• Automatic thermal shutdown protection
• 4 heat settings, variable wire speed; live wire trigger
• Gas operation only
0110100
– Wt. 45.8 lbs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 39999

WIRE FEED WELDER
E) DECASTAR 100E
• 115 volt, 20 amp, AC input
• 70 amps @ 15% duty cycle
• Automatic thermal shutdown protection
• 2 heat settings, variable wire speed; live wire trigger
• Flux wire only
0110097
– Wt. 44.3 lbs. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .39999

Old 08-21-2004, 10:17 AM   #10
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Re: tell me which to buy

search "welder" on ebay, and look around. if you have 220v power get a 175 machine = best bang for the buck. 110v only, get a lincoln 135, or miller 135. i also HIGHLY recomend a good auto darkening helmet. they cost more, but are WELL worth it. i have a Miller big window elite, but a xlix is almost as nice. and you will need a bottle of gas, 80cf of C25, 75%argon/25%oxygen. this will be about $150usa. don't forget you are going to need cutting & grinding tools.

flux-core is good for its intended usage, but is messy.

the lincoln 3200hd is a fine welder.

welding is cool & fun. but it can get expensive. but paying someone to weld for you is even more expensive.
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Re: tell me which to buy

i would ONLY buy a lincoln, miller, hobart machines. easier to get parts, support, advice on these.
Old 08-21-2004, 11:27 AM   #12
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Re: tell me which to buy

Quote: Originally Posted by TinaBanana
so the flux core are not good huuh?
Flux core is mostly just a pain because of the slag that needs to be chipped off. Solid wire with gas is much preferred for body work, but it can be done with flux core.

I've never heard of decastar so I wouldn't touch them. Like Jess said, stick with miller, lincoln, or hobart
Old 08-22-2004, 09:52 AM   #13
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Re: tell me which to buy

flux-core is really good for welding outside. with MIG, the wind will blow your gas away = crappy/dirty weld. flux-core doesn't have this problem.
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alright thx a bunch guys, i think i can make an informed purchase now.
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