For those wit SFBD frame size Q's

[ConnecticutX]

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with 3x3 could you do a stock floor, i mean not raise the floor any besides the tranny hump?

you could do one....yes....do you wanna lay rocker?

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just curious with 3x3 would that do a 2 1/2 sfbd?

I didnt measure b4 I took my cab off, but Im pretty positive that 2.5" would be no prob...If you want more all you have to do is raise the floor pan in front of the seat....that hangs down like an extra inch or two...

yeah i want to lay rocker, so its not that difficult to make it lay rocker, id just have raise the floor pan?

[NCHEVYHEVN]

So laying 2x3 on its side is not a good idea to get the extra inch.

[ConnecticutX]

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So laying 2x3 on its side is not a good idea to get the extra inch.

no, not a good Idea, unless you run more than just two frame rails under the cab...

[ConnecticutX]

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id just have raise the floor pan?

yea, you wouldnt need to raise the entire floor, just the the part in front of the seat

[Lucky Dime]

Bout time this shitty ass chart became a sticky

[layindoordown]

so on the subject of laying 2x3 on its side, me and my friend are thinking about laying 2x4 on its side for framerails -but we were also thinking about running two framerails per each side since the original two wouldnt be that strong, do you think if there were two more inside the original two(side by side ,ie an 8" wide rail by 2" tall) and we also fabbed cab mounts for those that this may be strong enough , i hate to say it but this truck problably wont get driven that much anyway unless its on a weekend cruise or something, but still id like to err on the side of safety.

[ConnecticutX]

Im guessin ur gunna use 2x4x1/8"? and ur gunna run that side by side?...I think you would b better off runnin one 2x4 and runnin a quarter inch plate down each side of it....8" wide dosnt leave much room...later, Jon

[layindoordown]

nah its actually 1/4" wall 2x4 tubing, and you are right it doesnt leave a lot of room , but there really is nothing much that i need the room for honestly the exhaust is coming out of the front fender . the whole thing is im working with materials that i already have, which basically is a whole lot of that 2x4 , a little 1x2 1/8th wall, and a LITTLE 1/4" plate . plus i figured making a cab mount on each inside beam on the inner side of THAT beam would take a little of the stress off the normal 4 cab mounts............if im thinking just a little hard on this tell me lol me and my buddy have been racking our brains trying to think of something but with 2x4 upright it just doesnt even make sense to stockfloor cause its looking like its the same height as the frame from the firewall to about halfway or more through the cab portion of the frame.....ah dam my fingers are tired, thanks.

[haktup]

Now don't freak out on me now but I have seen a sfbd caprice wagon with 2x3x3/16 laid on its side and he drives that biotch drives it everywhere told me he didn't have problem one. Just courious as to why you think it hasn't had problem one. I looked too it looks perfectly fine to mee he has been rocking it for a couple of years now as well.

[haktup]

I understand fully the mathmatics of it. How ever in real world applications some things that look one way on paper don't always work the same in the real world. Take the 96 ford taurus sho the mounted the alt. behind the motor and under the fire wall the only way to replace it take out the motor Now I understand that is not the same thing however I think you get my point if it works it works.

[Lucky Dime]

Quote: Originally Posted by haktup

I understand fully the mathmatics of it. How ever in real world applications some things that look one way on paper don't always work the same in the real world. Take the 96 ford taurus sho the mounted the alt. behind the motor and under the fire wall the only way to replace it take out the motor Now I understand that is not the same thing however I think you get my point if it works it works.

Dude if you wanna use anything smaller than 3x3 go for it. Nobody is stopping you. The hard facts are in that chart, if you dont wanna believe it nobody will care except probably you when your frame shits the bed. You have a buddy with a caprice with 2x3 thats great, use 2x3. The chart was made only to show people the mathematics of it and what size tube will do what. It doesnt say if you use 2x3 you will die....although, you might. BTW, the irony of your user name (haktup) and these last two posts is pretty funny. Atleast i think so.

[haktup]

LISTEN MAN DID I SAY SHIT ABOUT ME BUILDING IT! No so listen here ass jockey I was simply posing a question not trying to get your ****ing gstring up your ass. My name happens to be haktup because I cut all my vehicles up I only have one I left alone so I don't have to worry about getting to work. I will let my work speak for its self I am not trying to start a fight I was just ...ASKING....A QUESTION. Did I ask to be insulted NO I did not. Let me ask you a question How long have you been building rides ? I am going on 10 years so take you smart ass comment and go bang yourself stupid. I said I understand what the chart is as for me not knowing how to build I have enough rides under my belt to know what works and what doesn't I have built frames as a matter of fact I am going to be building my 4th for my mazda. So Fu[k you very much. I would not build a frame this way I was simply stating I have seen it work. Now go exceed your limits somewhere else. I don't need to have you bash me, for asking a question its guys like you that give this board a bad name. I have heard that all we are is dicks because when someone poses a legit question he gets bashed. NOT COOL ! I should have guessed I would get flamed but what is new.

[Lucky Dime]

Pretty defensive post from someone who supposedly knows what theyre doing. As for how many rides youve built and ive built, well i dont think you have been building rides since the day you were born...because 10 years old is about as old as you act. Second, if you really wanna know, I work at a body shop so ive worked on a couple cars/trucks before...not as many as you though im sure As for the comment about the name of my club, well the guy who made this chart (Jon) is the president of the CT chapter and we have some pretty nice trucks check us out at www.exceedinglimits.net thanks. I actually had no intent on bashing you in that post and i dont think i did. However, if you could do me a favor and read the last 3 lines of YOUR post id appreciate it because your really talkin about yourself there champ. Im goin to exceed some limits, peace.

last 3 lines in case you couldnt count that high:

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its guys like you that give this board a bad name. I have heard that all we are is dicks because when someone poses a legit question he gets bashed. NOT COOL ! I should have guessed I would get flamed but what is new.

[haktup]

Well I am afraid not I am defensive because I was simply asking about some anomialies in the theory and you start making comments on my name saying when my truck falls apart. As for you sarcasticly saying for someone who knows what they are doing. I believe I do and I was not bash your club You talked shit to me I talked it back plain and simple. As for not counting that high nevermind you are not wortg my time. I will let my work speak for its self look at the pic please tell me if I built it wrong, You seem to know all....

[Lucky Dime]

Show me where I said your truck was gonna fall apart. I think someone is a little conscious of there work huh? Maybe gettin a little defensive again eh? My intent was never actually to talk shit but hey if you saw it that way good for you. I hope you read those last three lines of your post so you can maybe take your own advice. From what I can see in the pic, looks like you took your time. Looks pretty good, cant see the welds too good but im sure theyre good cuz you know, you the man. But anyway, we are kinda whorin up this thread so if you wanna continue this pm me or somthin or start a new thread. Oh and BTW, your right I do know all. Later

[haktup]

I will make this the last post because frankly like you said u know it all and I can's compete with that. and here is what you said about my work falling apart I miss quoted you you said shit the bed. "The hard facts are in that chart, if you dont wanna believe it nobody will care except probably you when your frame shits the bed."
oh BTW . I seem to remember saying not to freak on me. I guess you forgot your first post where you said I was a hack. or as u put it my name fit. but that wasn't personal I am done now you win o.k.

[Lucky Dime]

Ok thanks man. Well, you said "I would not build a frame this way I was simply stating I have seen it work."
So that would mean your frame wouldnt shit the bed. I was saying that if you dont go by the chart you could have some problems. And yea I never actually called you a hack. I was just commenting on the irony of your user name and the attitude of your posts. But again you seemed to have gotten defensive when supposedly you have nothin to worry about, right? Well, im glad I got the W thanks man. It was nice chattin.
i·ro·ny
n. pl. i·ro·nies
The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.

[haktup]

Started having this kind of feel about the back and forth

[Lucky Dime]

haha I was gonna post that before actually...Oh well its all good, back to what the thread is really about

[haktup]

[Phag96]

hey mother****s i am going to build a frame out of 1x1 1/8 wall so yeah, whos the man now?

[Lucky Dime]

[Phag96]

lol

actually i was going to use 3x3 1/4 wall but instead i did a traditional bd

[haktup]

I think you should have used lincoln logs that would have worked way better. I am not welding anything on my mazda totally gonna just do a bolt on body drop frame. I am going to hold it al together with self tapping screws. (NOT)

[Lucky Dime]

Self tapping screws and duct tape

[Phag96]

yeah and for the big stuff just use some elmers glue

[haktup]

The self tapper thing is way funny to me because there is a guy in town that did that! There was another guy that took some flatstock welded it in lower on the frame cut everything above it out! YIKES

[Phag96]

lol

[ConnecticutX]

Well, for all the people that think they need to go with less than 3x3, I just finished the floor on the drivers side of my truck. Its frame is made of two 3x3x1/4 rails and the body drop is 6.25 inches. Why is this a big deal? because my seat and inside door sill is at the stock height, w/o lowering the seat brackets....pics will go up soon...

[NCHEVYHEVN]

Hey I was lookin at Mike Alexander's frame that he got built and I saw in the middle of his frame he had two frame rails per side. I also saw the guys frame that has the body dropped pathfinder on 20s that has a 350. He also had two framerails. Does that allow them to run a smaller frame or what? Whats the pros and cons of running dual frames on each side.

[NCHEVYHEVN]

Http://www.streetsourcemag.com/Profi...rofileID=28301

There is Mike Alexander's frame.

[Braind3ad]

Interesting chart.
I'm looking into doing a SFBD on my 03 X (yea yea I know...). So, to lay doors you need a 2.75 BD, right? So then, according to the chart, even if I where to use (just a hypothetical thing) 2" x 3" I would still be 1/4" from laying the body? Is that correct?

[Braind3ad]

So, could anyone answer that?

[ConnecticutX]

you could take the extra 1/4 to 1/2 inch out of the body mounts....and lay rocker

[Braind3ad]

Take it off the body mounts? Wouldn't that give me really bad vibrations? Or are you saying to just cut the body mounts down a bit?

[Lucky Dime]

Just cut the body mounts down. Its only a 1/4 or 1/2 inch, its not that much

[clean n low]

Braind3ad check your pm's man!

[CDEEZY]

When all you ****ers graduate college and finally decide to bodydrop your trucks it will be long out of style. If you want to build an S-10 that weighs as much as a Lincoln Towncar go right ahead. All this X=MC2 divided by pie multiplyed by my ass is great info but here is the facts. My frame is built out of 2x3x1/8th box tubing LAYED FLAT. I drive my truck everywhere and have had no problem. My frame is not bent. My frame does not flex. My truck tracks straight. So now I will post a pic of my frame when i was building it and a pic of me driving my truck down !-65 at 70 mph and I'm sure all of you guys that are sooooo smart will have o-plenty to say. My response to any comments you may have are **** of my shit lays body and your still thinking about it. Man up and do something.

http://www.s10forum.com/gallery/view...bum1498&id=abm <----------freeway drivin 70mph+

[NCHEVYHEVN]

lol at the skeleton on the frame. How many miles u got on that frame? If its me though and if I'm going to go through the trouble of having to take the body off and cut and reweld the frame then I'm gonna run something beefy. Yea yours may not bend or flex like u say but still I won't trust it. I love overkill!!! But looks good to me except for the size of frame.

[CDEEZY]

Driving it to work AGAIN today. It's a 115 mile round trip from Radcliff KY, where i live to the eastern part of Jefferson county where i work. If you need points of reference for mapquest use U.s. Cavalry in Radcliff Ky, and Fords Kentucky Truck Plant in Louisville. Not sure exactly how many miles are on it now but driving it to Louisville is a pretty common thing.

[haktup]

Ha I love it you drive a bodydropped s-10 to work at a ford truck plant. I don't care who you are that there is funny!

[AVTekk]

Ok I get it, youre a tough guy with a bodydropped truck, but running 1/8" wall is just rediculous. If you want to lay 2x3 flat then ok, but at least put some effort into it and run 1/4" or 1/2".

[clean n low]

no draggin for him with that 1/8" hehehehe

[drps10]

freeway driving compliments of me I am going to run 2x3x1/4 ( maybe 3/16) i like the chart and all, but real world application. to much overkill for the price. I ain't price watching at all, i dont care about price. I know a guy building frames, bobcats, machines, semi parts,..... anything needs fab. he is ur man!! and he said 3x3x1/2 is INSANE.. he sugested 2x3x3/16 which will have a deflection of 1/4" with 8000 lbs, 8 ft span (i think the span is right) NOw I ain't no 8000lbs. and for the 5ft. needed it will be gravy. so, thanks for the chart, and all the help, but I would rather go by knowledge then by Formula.. but advice is always needed, minus frame size

[CDEEZY]

I think it's hillarious you all are talking strength and safety. Stock frames are built to collapse in accidents. If you build this bulky frame, which is way too heavy for your little street driven truck,and get into an accident your body is going to be ripped off your frame and your going to be hurt badly. To the guy laughing about me not dragging.......when i drag through my rockers into my "not thick enough frame" I'll be in the same boat as the guy with a stock frame who's frame rail is the same thickness. Of course that's after i get through the layer of stock frame still on the bottom of the new frame.

[1bad98s10]

I know Cdeezy quite well and helped ALOT in the bodydrop process..

the frame is still there on the bottom and sides the box is welded to that. We too were questionable about the rigidity of the 3x2 but after getting it mostly finished it was raised up in the front and rear and a bunch of guys got on the frame and jumpre up and down it didn't flex at all, thats 800+ lbs jumping right in the center. once the cab is bolted down it too becomes part of the strength of the frame.

his truck has had I would think 1,000-1,500 miles put on it and has been checked several times with NO signs of cracking bending or anything else. when the truck is dragged the frame does not tough the ground YET the rockers are ground nice and smooth and the frame is almost untouched.

you can jack up one corner of the truck and the frame does not twist.

BUT who am I to question the rocket scientists here, I mean you all did READ the books and do the MATH. the only thing I did was actually help BUILD SOMETHING and proved it to work.

[ConnecticutX]

gm should just fire all the engineers and go by the theory "because ive seen other people do it" lol...you guys kill me...all this nubers are not the real world...where do you think it all comes from? the real frigin world!!! someone dosnt just sit in an office making up nubers as properties of materials..... Just because your truck dosnt show any signs of failure at 1000 miles dosnt mean it wont eventualy... little thing caled fatigue...I bd'd my truck over 5" with 3x3 and kept the stock seat height so i dont see the big deal about having to use anything smaller...

[xdreamz99]

hey i have a question about my frame size, go here to see the details please i need some thoughts,

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showth...60#post1735760

[CDEEZY]

Taking my weak ass little frame to Florida for Spring Fling if anyone wants to go dragging.