what am I up against here?

IsAlwaysBroken · 11-02-2009, 06:12 PM

Well this will be a descriptive post, as I'm in need of help in the worst way.

For roughly a month I've been hearing this squeak/clunk sound from the drivers rear on my truck. I didn't give it much thought as I was without access to a jack to even get the wheel off and look, well after a while the wheel started to get black and I'm not thinking this is a good thing. After driving it for a few more days the sound turned into more of a grinding and I mean NASTY sounding. So upon starting the truck one morning my foot goes to the floor and the brake light is on. I'm sitting here thinking oh f*ck.. We'll I get out and look, nothing is leaking and I can't for the life me figure out what the hell happened. It seemed as though I only had half my brake power when I applied the brake pedal. I drove it for a least two blocks and I go to stop and it's not stopping... I pushed it down as hard as I could and took some grass and through it back into park. Not exactly the greatest idea I'm sure but it was the most immediate way I could think to get it to stop. I heard some rapid clicking noises (transmission) and then a sudden stop as I finally caught and stopped me.

I limped the truck back home at around 4-5 MPH and parked it. I waited a bit to let the truck cool down, I came out and started to work on the truck. What makes me think something is up is that both of my drums are painted to match the truck.. well all the paint was gone and what was left had some micro bubbles on it, I'm thinking it got hot and melted the paint off..

Well I pull the wheel and this is what I get:

I removed the drum and all these little springs and parts just fell out..
The rust/orange colored spot on the drum was where all the parts where apparently resting.

Something is seriously wrong here.. I have no idea what happened. Anyone got any idea's. Also I have never changed rear drum brakes, just pads and rotors up front.

CatDaddy52 · 11-02-2009, 06:39 PM

"I have never changed rear drum brakes,......" (your words!)
This is quite obvious!! There is a thing called preventative maintenance. That means doing the necessary work BEFORE stuff breaks & possibly killing someone!!
New shoes, drums brake cylinders & spring kit will fix it right up!

IsAlwaysBroken · 11-02-2009, 09:34 PM

If the brake cylinder breaks will that cause a loss in brake fluid? Dumb question but I must ask it because I don't know it.

mostizzle · 11-02-2009, 10:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by CatDaddy52

"I have never changed rear drum brakes,......" (your words!)
This is quite obvious!! There is a thing called preventative maintenance. That means doing the necessary work BEFORE stuff breaks & possibly killing someone!!
New shoes, drums brake cylinders & spring kit will fix it right up!

and yes that wheel cylinder has been leaking cuz all the guts are blown out of it

buy a repair manual and use the other side as reference if it is'nt in the same shape as that side.

91sonomast · 11-02-2009, 11:26 PM

and what did we learn from this??????

IF YOUR TRUCK IS MAKING ****ED UP NOISES..........SHITS ****ED UP, DON'T IGNORE IT!!!!!
So, as said above, new rear cylinders, new shoes, new drums, a spring kit, at least one giant bottle of DOT 3 brake fluid, 8, 10, 12 and 13mm wrenches, about.....2 hours of your time if you've never done it before, and a friend to help bleed the brakes and you should be good to go......and a little common sense next time your truck is acting funny or making odd noises

CatDaddy52 · 11-02-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 91sonomast

and what did we learn from this??????

IF YOUR TRUCK IS MAKING ****ED UP NOISES..........SHITS ****ED UP, DON'T IGNORE IT!!!!!
So, as said above, new rear cylinders, new shoes, new drums, a spring kit, at least one giant bottle of DOT 3 brake fluid, 8, 10, 12 and 13mm wrenches, about.....2 hours of your time if you've never done it before, and a friend to help bleed the brakes and you should be good to go......and a little common sense next time your truck is acting funny or making odd noises

A little more eloquent than I could have said it!! LOL

mostizzle · 11-03-2009, 12:31 AM

yeah what he said lol

MeltingPlastic · 11-03-2009, 12:52 AM

and yea... i think its time for a rear disc swap!

S10dude · 11-03-2009, 05:31 AM

can you say "brake upgrade"

IsAlwaysBroken · 11-03-2009, 10:02 PM

hmm disk in the back isn't there a how-to or a thread roaming around about someone who did this with some after market calipers and brakets for a really good price.

1980ace · 11-03-2009, 11:25 PM

how to put disc brakes on the rear for under 200 bucks step by step

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f14/ho...y-step-386740/

draggindime072010 · 11-04-2009, 01:52 PM

i think the easiest and cheapest way to do it is to go pick up a rear end from a 98+ blazer that come stock with disks and ust swap it in

CatDaddy52 · 11-06-2009, 11:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MeltingPlastic

and yea... i think its time for a rear disc swap!

Good advice, here!

Here's a guy that has no idea how to maintain the factory set-up, has no access to the proper tools & you tell him he should swap out his brake system!! What's wrong with this picture????

ls1s10onair · 11-06-2009, 11:33 AM

go to a shop! The drum setup on these trucks have very cheap parts, so if you go to an honest place that wont rip you off, itll be worth the peace of mind..... because if you dont have the proper tools, etc. you'll be in a hell of a mess.....

IsAlwaysBroken · 11-06-2009, 11:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by CatDaddy52

Good advice, here!
Here's a guy that has no idea how to maintain the factory set-up, has no access to the proper tools & you tell him he should swap out his brake system!! What's wrong with this picture????

I can do the front all day long, I've never even worked on drum brakes. So no I don't know what I'm doing. I gotta buy a manual.

CatDaddy52 · 11-06-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by IsAlwaysBroken

I can do the front all day long, I've never even worked on drum brakes. So no I don't know what I'm doing. I gotta buy a manual.

Didn't mean to sound like I was baggin' on you....but you were getting some real bad advice (worth every penny you paid for it, tho)! Go get that manual, read up & you should be able to fix it! good luck!

MeltingPlastic · 11-06-2009, 12:10 PM

why bother doing the drums? i purchased all my parts to do a disc swap for $200 with brand new pads and rotors... he would be putting the same amount of money into putting drums back into that truck... just not worth it

***What?*** · 11-09-2009, 01:19 PM

I used 98+ Blazer/Jimmy/Bravada rear disc brake with G80. Direct swap(you may have to change u-joint flange. E-brake will not hook up(it didn't on my ext cab).

Other than that you're good to go if gearing is fine with no issues.

Non ZR2 4wd axle = 2" wider per side
ZR2 axle = 4" wider per side

ALL ZR2 comes 3.73, and rest of Non-ZR2, 2wd comes 3.42.

Took me an hour myself and then bleed brake with someone.

IsAlwaysBroken · 11-09-2009, 03:34 PM

I would do the rear end swap if I could find a disk brake rear end here.

11-02-2009, 06:12 PM	#1
IsAlwaysBroken Lowered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 519 Location: Rock Hill, SC User is: OffLine	what am I up against here? Well this will be a descriptive post, as I'm in need of help in the worst way. For roughly a month I've been hearing this squeak/clunk sound from the drivers rear on my truck. I didn't give it much thought as I was without access to a jack to even get the wheel off and look, well after a while the wheel started to get black and I'm not thinking this is a good thing. After driving it for a few more days the sound turned into more of a grinding and I mean NASTY sounding. So upon starting the truck one morning my foot goes to the floor and the brake light is on. I'm sitting here thinking oh f*ck.. We'll I get out and look, nothing is leaking and I can't for the life me figure out what the hell happened. It seemed as though I only had half my brake power when I applied the brake pedal. I drove it for a least two blocks and I go to stop and it's not stopping... I pushed it down as hard as I could and took some grass and through it back into park. Not exactly the greatest idea I'm sure but it was the most immediate way I could think to get it to stop. I heard some rapid clicking noises (transmission) and then a sudden stop as I finally caught and stopped me. I limped the truck back home at around 4-5 MPH and parked it. I waited a bit to let the truck cool down, I came out and started to work on the truck. What makes me think something is up is that both of my drums are painted to match the truck.. well all the paint was gone and what was left had some micro bubbles on it, I'm thinking it got hot and melted the paint off.. Well I pull the wheel and this is what I get: I removed the drum and all these little springs and parts just fell out.. The rust/orange colored spot on the drum was where all the parts where apparently resting. Something is seriously wrong here.. I have no idea what happened. Anyone got any idea's. Also I have never changed rear drum brakes, just pads and rotors up front.
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11-02-2009, 06:39 PM	#2
CatDaddy52 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 760 Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? "I have never changed rear drum brakes,......" (your words!) This is quite obvious!! There is a thing called preventative maintenance. That means doing the necessary work BEFORE stuff breaks & possibly killing someone!! New shoes, drums brake cylinders & spring kit will fix it right up!
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11-02-2009, 09:34 PM	#3
IsAlwaysBroken Lowered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 519 Location: Rock Hill, SC User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? If the brake cylinder breaks will that cause a loss in brake fluid? Dumb question but I must ask it because I don't know it.
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11-02-2009, 10:08 PM	#4
mostizzle You...Tonight Age: 32 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 786 Location: St.Clair Shores,MI. User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? Quote: Originally Posted by CatDaddy52 "I have never changed rear drum brakes,......" (your words!) This is quite obvious!! There is a thing called preventative maintenance. That means doing the necessary work BEFORE stuff breaks & possibly killing someone!! New shoes, drums brake cylinders & spring kit will fix it right up! and yes that wheel cylinder has been leaking cuz all the guts are blown out of it buy a repair manual and use the other side as reference if it is'nt in the same shape as that side.
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11-02-2009, 11:26 PM	#5
91sonomast Good Bye SonomaST Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,019 Location: Murray, KY User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? and what did we learn from this?????? IF YOUR TRUCK IS MAKING **ED UP NOISES..........SHITS **ED UP, DON'T IGNORE IT!!!!! So, as said above, new rear cylinders, new shoes, new drums, a spring kit, at least one giant bottle of DOT 3 brake fluid, 8, 10, 12 and 13mm wrenches, about.....2 hours of your time if you've never done it before, and a friend to help bleed the brakes and you should be good to go......and a little common sense next time your truck is acting funny or making odd noises
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11-02-2009, 11:30 PM	#6
CatDaddy52 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 760 Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? Quote: Originally Posted by 91sonomast and what did we learn from this?????? IF YOUR TRUCK IS MAKING **ED UP NOISES..........SHITS **ED UP, DON'T IGNORE IT!!!!! So, as said above, new rear cylinders, new shoes, new drums, a spring kit, at least one giant bottle of DOT 3 brake fluid, 8, 10, 12 and 13mm wrenches, about.....2 hours of your time if you've never done it before, and a friend to help bleed the brakes and you should be good to go......and a little common sense next time your truck is acting funny or making odd noises A little more eloquent than I could have said it!! LOL
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11-03-2009, 12:31 AM	#7
mostizzle You...Tonight Age: 32 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 786 Location: St.Clair Shores,MI. User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? yeah what he said lol
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11-03-2009, 12:52 AM	#8
MeltingPlastic Broken Handed Superman Age: 24 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,267 Location: Hackensack, NJ User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? and yea... i think its time for a rear disc swap!
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11-03-2009, 05:31 AM	#9
S10dude workin it ! Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,022 Location: Sacramento,Ca. User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? can you say "brake upgrade"
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11-03-2009, 10:02 PM	#10
IsAlwaysBroken Lowered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 519 Location: Rock Hill, SC User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? hmm disk in the back isn't there a how-to or a thread roaming around about someone who did this with some after market calipers and brakets for a really good price.
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11-03-2009, 11:25 PM	#11
1980ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? how to put disc brakes on the rear for under 200 bucks step by step http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f14/ho...y-step-386740/
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11-04-2009, 01:52 PM	#12
draggindime072010 ROLL TIDE!!!!!! Age: 17 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 958 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? i think the easiest and cheapest way to do it is to go pick up a rear end from a 98+ blazer that come stock with disks and ust swap it in
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11-06-2009, 11:05 AM	#13
CatDaddy52 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 760 Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? Quote: Originally Posted by MeltingPlastic and yea... i think its time for a rear disc swap! Good advice, here! Here's a guy that has no idea how to maintain the factory set-up, has no access to the proper tools & you tell him he should swap out his brake system!! What's wrong with this picture????
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11-06-2009, 11:33 AM	#14
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? go to a shop! The drum setup on these trucks have very cheap parts, so if you go to an honest place that wont rip you off, itll be worth the peace of mind..... because if you dont have the proper tools, etc. you'll be in a hell of a mess.....
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11-06-2009, 11:44 AM	#15
IsAlwaysBroken Lowered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 519 Location: Rock Hill, SC User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? Quote: Originally Posted by CatDaddy52 Good advice, here! Here's a guy that has no idea how to maintain the factory set-up, has no access to the proper tools & you tell him he should swap out his brake system!! What's wrong with this picture???? I can do the front all day long, I've never even worked on drum brakes. So no I don't know what I'm doing. I gotta buy a manual.
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11-06-2009, 12:09 PM	#16
CatDaddy52 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 760 Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? Quote: Originally Posted by IsAlwaysBroken I can do the front all day long, I've never even worked on drum brakes. So no I don't know what I'm doing. I gotta buy a manual. Didn't mean to sound like I was baggin' on you....but you were getting some real bad advice (worth every penny you paid for it, tho)! Go get that manual, read up & you should be able to fix it! good luck! Last edited by CatDaddy52 : 11-06-2009 at 12:10 PM.
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11-06-2009, 12:10 PM	#17
MeltingPlastic Broken Handed Superman Age: 24 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,267 Location: Hackensack, NJ User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? why bother doing the drums? i purchased all my parts to do a disc swap for $200 with brand new pads and rotors... he would be putting the same amount of money into putting drums back into that truck... just not worth it
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11-09-2009, 01:19 PM	#18
*What?* Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,376 Location: AZ User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? I used 98+ Blazer/Jimmy/Bravada rear disc brake with G80. Direct swap(you may have to change u-joint flange. E-brake will not hook up(it didn't on my ext cab). Other than that you're good to go if gearing is fine with no issues. Non ZR2 4wd axle = 2" wider per side ZR2 axle = 4" wider per side ALL ZR2 comes 3.73, and rest of Non-ZR2, 2wd comes 3.42. Took me an hour myself and then bleed brake with someone.
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11-09-2009, 03:34 PM	#19
IsAlwaysBroken Lowered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 519 Location: Rock Hill, SC User is: OffLine	Re: what am I up against here? I would do the rear end swap if I could find a disk brake rear end here.
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