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S10 Front Clip Conversion - Bumper Braces

First time poster here. Forgive me if I've got this in the wrong place. Have a 1997 S10 pickup. Followed the conversion directions and changed the front clip to 1998 and later. When I went to bolt the 1997's front bumper braces to the new bumper I didn't find a suitable mounting point within reach of the end of the brace. Were the bumper braces left off the 1998 and later? Thanks in advance for the help.

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98+ have different supports, I believe the 94-97 supports can be bent and made to work on the 98+ bumper. I've never dealt with it myself so hopefully someone who has will chime in to clarify.

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^what he said.the 94-97 braces will bolt up on the bumper.the 98+braces bolt to the frame differently so you'll have to go with your originals.here is my wife's 96 blazer.I converted it 5 years ago.I took this pic a few weeks ago to show the body mounts,lol.

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i put the newer bumper on my 95 sonoma few months ago, all you gotta do is bend the corner brackets to get them to line up, also helps to loosen the brackets to the frame till you get it where you need it then re-tighten them. they bend very easily by hand
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i just used the 98 bumper supports with the 98 bumper. it was easier than bending supports and stuff

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i just used the 98 bumper supports with the 98 bumper. it was easier than bending supports and stuff
2nd that
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^how u do that???? There isn't a place to bolt them up on the frame.the 98+braces bolt up with 2 holes on the front core support/body mount ears.they are completely different on a 94-97 frame.
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the 98+ bumper mounts mount to the 98+ bumper and to the same mounting location as the 97- bumpers. they only have 1 hole on each side instead of the 94-97 has 2 holes on each side. i can go grab my 94-97 bumper mounts and show you the difference if you want

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^? are we talking about the samething?S10 98+bumper brackets mount to the frame horns w/2 bolts.the pre98 brackets mount to the side of the frame with 1 bolt.the holes for the 98+brackets don't exist&the horns are shaped completely different.
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What brackets are yall talking about?some of the 98+ Jimmys and Sonomas I have dismantled have the same brackets as pre98 s10s but,the frame horns already have the new style s10 bracket holes in the horns.
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my 94 bumper has the bracket like in the bottom pic. my 98 bumper has the bracket like in the 1st pic

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The 94-97 bumper brackets will work, it also helps a little to swap sides too, then bend them a little.
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i just used the 98 bumper supports with the 98 bumper. it was easier than bending supports and stuff
I was wondering about that^. Obviously I'm fully aware of the front conversion.those pictures are from a few of my own personal trucks.I've already converted my 96&87 and would prefer to use the 98+ brackets They are way more sturdy.my question was did you say that you used the 98+ brackets on a 94-97 truck when installing the 98+bumper?that was the reason I posted the pictures.there isn't a place to bolt them on a pre98 frame.how did you pull that off? At least thats how it reads to me?



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the 98+ bumper mounts mount to the 98+ bumper and to the same mounting location as the 97- bumpers. they only have 1 hole on each side instead of the 94-97 has 2 holes on each side. i can go grab my 94-97 bumper mounts and show you the difference if you want
^i'm not sure about that either?are you talking about the frame horns?the bumper itself?or the brackets?
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i have a 1994 s10. my 94 bumper had a bent bracket. i went to the junkyard and bought a 99 front bumper with 99 bumper brackets attached to it. i then removed my 94 bumper from my 94 s10 and threw it as far as i could. then i used the 99 bumper and attached the 99 bumper brackets to my 94 frame where the 94 bumper brackets mounted to my frame. and yes there was a place to mount the 99 bumper brackets. they just mounted to my 94 bumper mount spots. i had to bend my 99 tabs a little, but they fit with little modification. clear anything up? i can post pictures of everything if need be

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i just used the 98 bumper supports with the 98 bumper. it was easier than bending supports and stuff
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i had to bend my 99 tabs a little, but they fit with little modification.
^don't those two statements contradict each other?


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clear anything up? i can post pictures of everything if need be
^No it doesn't.there is a 90┬░angle&about 6" difference in the 94-97 and the 98+ frame/bracket mounting points,I think I would like to see a pic or two.
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sorry. i did say its easier than bending tabs. but when i got the truck, it had been hit on the passenger front and it had a slightly bent frame. thats why i had to bend the tab on one of my supports. the driver one needed no modification. but i will post some pics as soon as its daylight outside.

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pm me if you want some 98+ bumper supports. i think i have a pair in the garage
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sorry. i did say its easier than bending tabs. but when i got the truck, it had been hit on the passenger front and it had a slightly bent frame. thats why i had to bend the tab on one of my supports. the driver one needed no modification. but i will post some pics as soon as its daylight outside.
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Let me thank all of you who took the time to respond. The pictures posted by BlazerZR5, particularly the 2000 2wd, illustrated exactly how the brace connected to the frame rail. I had only seen the brace pictured in a parts diagram and that didn't lend itself to understanding how it actually mounted or worked. After seeing the pictures I took the majority action and bent the earlier tubular mounts to fit between the frame rail and the new bumper. I can see that this is not the optimal solution. If hit from the side the bumper is going to bend the brace and the bumper will contact the fender. I'm taking up greencactus3's generous offer of a set of braces and its my intention to use those as a starting point for modifying/fabricating the newer brace so that it can attach to the frame rail (in a vehicle that doesn't have the appropriate mounting points). The newer braces are substantial and are designed to do a better job in protecting the body from damage should the bumper sustain impact from the side.

I'm sure I'm not the first person to have the idea of making this modification. I'm curious about the designs that others might have come up with even if it was only a though and never carried out.

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sorry. i did say its easier than bending tabs. but when i got the truck, it had been hit on the passenger front and it had a slightly bent frame. thats why i had to bend the tab on one of my supports. the driver one needed no modification. but i will post some pics as soon as its daylight outside.
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I would like to see this as well, so unless the frame has been swapped (always possible) 94-97 do NOT have the mounting point for the 98+ bumper brackets, although a late 97 possibly might.


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I thought of making a small L shaped bracket that slipped over the core support body mount ear.it would basically cover the ear and have 2 studs to except the 98+brackets.unfortunately I am an awful fabricator so....well,it would be easier just to cut off the piece from a junkyard truck and weld it on the 94-97 frame,or just weld the brackets straight to the frame.I had a late 97,it was even a factory ZQ8,it unfortunately didn't have the holes but,deathphoenix is right.ya never know with GM,lol.

As for pictures I'm doubtful of their existence or that he even used 98+brackets at this point.It's been daylight a couple of times besides,I took those pictures at night with a flashlight and my iPhone.im not calling bagddime a liar I just don't believe him.maybe he's confused?maybe we are talking about something different?idk
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alright guys. sorry for the no pics. got busy the last few days and havnt even been online. here is my passenger side with my 99 front bumper with the braces that came off the 99 s10 at the junkyard. i searched for the factory brackets off my truck but couldnt find them.

i only took a pic of the passenger side cause thats the one that i had to bend to fit.

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That's a 94-97 brace, hate to tell ya, but someone might have swapped it before you got it. A 98+ is totally different.


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alright guys. sorry for the no pics. got busy the last few days and havnt even been online. here is my passenger side with my 99 front bumper with the braces that came off the 99 s10 at the junkyard. i searched for the factory brackets off my truck but couldnt find them.

i only took a pic of the passenger side cause thats the one that i had to bend to fit.
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my 94 bumper has the bracket like in the bottom pic. my 98 bumper has the bracket like in the 1st pic

and^this contradict each other also.
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how do they contradict eachother? the current bumper on my truck is from a 99 truck. my truck is a 94. the braces i used for my 99 bumper are the ones that came with the bumper from the junkyard. my 94 was hit in the passenger front which caused my frame to bend slightly. i had to bend the bracket on the passenger side bumper slightly so the bumper would fit on my truck.

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Wow, just wow.

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how do they contradict eachother? the current bumper on my truck is from a 99 truck. my truck is a 94. the braces i used for my 99 bumper are the ones that came with the bumper from the junkyard. my 94 was hit in the passenger front which caused my frame to bend slightly. i had to bend the bracket on the passenger side bumper slightly so the bumper would fit on my truck.

I'm telling you right now that those are 94-97 bumper braces. The 98+ are flat and run perpendicular to the frame and tie into the radiator mount.


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