Project: 1995 s10 SAS

Baggey22 · 03-19-2008, 12:25 AM

Wrekd - It steers(is that even a word?) not bad. I don't have jam nuts for it yet because they haven't been delivered. So I haven't driven it a great deal. It is also REALLY scary to drive with the lack of shocks so I haven't put it through its paces yet.
Once I do all that I'll let you all know.

Diesel - Thanks!

s10furlife · 03-20-2008, 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

They are both toast, I cranked the Tbars before I decided to go SFA and then went offroading and tore the boots on something.
BUT I do have a 10 bolt with a mini spool. I know you were talking a while ago about getting a posi or something.

I live in VT too ...more south near rutland and...is a mini spool a full locker? if not, and its more like a posi I would love it!!!

ChrisInVT · 03-20-2008, 09:56 AM

Mini spool

Baggey22 · 03-20-2008, 09:57 AM

A mini spool is a little different than a locker or a posi. When going around corners lockers and posi units UNlock so that you don't hop around the corner. A mini spool replaces the spider gears and keeps both axle shafts locked 100% of the time. So basically if you are going around tight corners (parking lots especially) either the inside tire will drag or the outside tire will hop. Because when you turn one has to go faster than the other.
You can get these new for like $100 off eBay, I can't give you mine because after ChrisInVT said he didn't want it I scrapped the axle with the mini spool installed.
My suggestion, DO NOT get a mini spool UNLESS it's a trail only truck. It wasn't bad on the road, but as soon as tight turns were involved (intersections, parking lots, construction zones) it sucked.

s10furlife · 03-20-2008, 11:58 AM

alright thanks...im thinking about replacing my open diff with a gov lock posi from a ZR2 or something...pick one up off ebay...im still trying to figure out if I have a 26 or 28 spline diff though...you know how to tell?

ChrisInVT · 03-20-2008, 12:20 PM

Why would you want a grenade-lock?

Get a posi carrier out of an F-Body - that's what I did.

IIRC 88+ have the 28 spline and 87- have the 26

Edit: check out this thread: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f13/10-bolt-faq-129992/

***Donahue*** · 03-20-2008, 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisInVT

Why would you want a grenade-lock?

Get a posi carrier out of an F-Body - that's what I did.

IIRC 88+ have the 28 spline and 87- have the 26

Edit: check out this thread: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f13/10-bolt-faq-129992/

the year break is no way black and white. my 89 has a 26 spline. if the trucks are within the 87-89 era i would check to make sure. i found out by pulling the axle out and counting the splines.

besides, the zr2 g80 is for the 8.5 rear end and wouldnt fit your application. also, if your a fairly good welder, you can weld the side and spider gears to the carrier like i did. for all practical purposes its a spool, but it only cost me the new gear oil and some RTV.

Baggey22 · 03-20-2008, 06:02 PM

So update on my Jam Nuts. I sent the seller an email saying that they hadn't arrived and she replied saying that she checked with USPS and they didn't have any record of the shipment. So the seller sent me another pair yesterday and apologized for the inconvenience.
So HOPEFULLY I'll have them tomorrow or Monday.

MTchevyS10 · 03-20-2008, 06:13 PM

Interestingly enough, for the right thread count stud, a trailer hitch nut actually fits on there alright. Don't ask me how I know...

Baggey22 · 03-21-2008, 02:21 PM

Heres a crappy camera phone picture of Sally parked next to my DD

ChrisInVT · 03-21-2008, 02:36 PM

MA plates?

Baggey22 · 03-21-2008, 03:08 PM

I am from MA. I go to college in VT. My s10 is registered in NH.
go figure

ChrisInVT · 03-21-2008, 03:15 PM

How the hell does that work?

Baggey22 · 03-21-2008, 03:19 PM

I don't even know. . . . .
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ChrisInVT · 03-21-2008, 03:43 PM

W3RD.

I'll LYK on that PM

Baggey22 · 03-22-2008, 10:17 AM

I'm gonna be getting ChrisInVT's NP231 tomorrow, anyone with a first get have an EXTRA Tcase shift knob? His is missing and I won't have time to junkyard hunt for a little while. LET ME KNOW!

ChrisInVT · 03-24-2008, 09:59 AM

I PM'd you - I think I found the knob - I just have to get it on there and make sure it's not the one from my brother's truck. I should have the extra time this week to pull the T-case out for you too.

You sure you don't want to take the transmission and engine too?

Baggey22 · 03-25-2008, 12:37 AM

Update: I swapped the front and rear shackles today. So now I have shackles in the front that are 1" lift over stock and stock shackles in the rear. The truck looks a little funny because now the front is higher than the rear, but my shackle angle is awesome so I don't care for now. I'll get longer ones for the rear soon.
My jam nuts still didn't come yet, I hope they come tomorrow or Wednesday. I'll get pictures of the shackle angle soon. IDK when, so just keep your eyes peeled.

Baggey22 · 03-26-2008, 07:37 PM

So I'm getting ChrisInVT's Tcase soon and I need some stuff to make it look good.
Basically all the interior stuff. If anyone has extra or access to them easily let me know, all the stuff in the picture is what I need.

Tim99Zr2 · 03-27-2008, 03:10 AM

ahh your putting the whole 231 in?
i think you need a new front bumper too!
and how is that cross over steering working? i just ordered mine the other day, how tight can you turn?

Baggey22 · 03-27-2008, 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

ahh your putting the whole 231 in?
i think you need a new front bumper too!
and how is that cross over steering working? i just ordered mine the other day, how tight can you turn?

Yea, if I can't find those interior pieces I may just pop rivet an aftermarket shift boot from like a Honda to the floor. I know where 2HI 4HI and 4LO are.
What's wrong with my bumper? It's 3/8"x3"/5" box tube
The crossover steer is great. I don't know how tight yet, still haven't really driven it on the road.

ChrisInVT · 03-27-2008, 10:18 AM

I've got a nice chrome 1st gen bumper you can have

DieselS10 · 03-27-2008, 11:33 AM

Baggey, if you can't find that stuff used, LMCtruck.com has the boots, but they are kinda high priced.

Baggey22 · 03-27-2008, 01:24 PM

I think I may just get a leather shift boot from like Wal-Mart and put it in. I know where the lever goes for 2HI 4HI and 4LO. But we'll see.

Tim99Zr2 · 03-27-2008, 01:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Yea, if I can't find those interior pieces I may just pop rivet an aftermarket shift boot from like a Honda to the floor. I know where 2HI 4HI and 4LO are.
What's wrong with my bumper? It's 3/8"x3"/5" box tube
The crossover steer is great. I don't know how tight yet, still haven't really driven it on the road.

its like mine, it just doesnt flow with the truck anymore.

and get on driving it. jeesh

Baggey22 · 03-27-2008, 02:51 PM

Anyone know exaclty how difficult it will be to swap the T-cases? Like is there anything I'll need to know prior to actually doing it. Besides cutting a hole in the floor for the shift lever.

MTchevyS10 · 03-28-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Anyone know exaclty how difficult it will be to swap the T-cases? Like is there anything I'll need to know prior to actually doing it. Besides cutting a hole in the floor for the shift lever.

Shouldn't be too terribly hard for you to do, especially if you can get it up on a lift/high up enough.
Trans/t-case fluids etc. would of course be something to keep in mind, but other than that and the floor cutting, it's fairly straight forward.

Baggey22 · 03-28-2008, 04:54 PM

Thats good to know, the Tcase just shares the transmission fluid with the transmission doesn't it?

Tim99Zr2 · 03-28-2008, 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10

Shouldn't be too terribly hard for you to do, especially if you can get it up on a lift/high up enough.
Trans/t-case fluids etc. would of course be something to keep in mind, but other than that and the floor cutting, it's fairly straight forward.

we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them

ChrisInVT · 03-28-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them

I think he was talking about the T-Case

Baggey22 · 03-28-2008, 05:09 PM

I'll be fine with that. I just did a clutch on a YJ a last week and we didn't have problems jacking that transmission AND Tcase up. So this should be a little easier since it's just the Tcase.

MTchevyS10 · 03-28-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them

Neither do I.

03-19-2008, 12:25 AM	#201
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Wrekd - It steers(is that even a word?) not bad. I don't have jam nuts for it yet because they haven't been delivered. So I haven't driven it a great deal. It is also REALLY scary to drive with the lack of shocks so I haven't put it through its paces yet. Once I do all that I'll let you all know. Diesel - Thanks!
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03-20-2008, 09:53 AM	#202
s10furlife Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 220 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 They are both toast, I cranked the Tbars before I decided to go SFA and then went offroading and tore the boots on something. BUT I do have a 10 bolt with a mini spool. I know you were talking a while ago about getting a posi or something. I live in VT too ...more south near rutland and...is a mini spool a full locker? if not, and its more like a posi I would love it!!!
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03-20-2008, 09:56 AM	#203
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Mini spool
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03-20-2008, 09:57 AM	#204
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS A mini spool is a little different than a locker or a posi. When going around corners lockers and posi units UNlock so that you don't hop around the corner. A mini spool replaces the spider gears and keeps both axle shafts locked 100% of the time. So basically if you are going around tight corners (parking lots especially) either the inside tire will drag or the outside tire will hop. Because when you turn one has to go faster than the other. You can get these new for like $100 off eBay, I can't give you mine because after ChrisInVT said he didn't want it I scrapped the axle with the mini spool installed. My suggestion, DO NOT get a mini spool UNLESS it's a trail only truck. It wasn't bad on the road, but as soon as tight turns were involved (intersections, parking lots, construction zones) it sucked.
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03-20-2008, 11:58 AM	#205
s10furlife Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 220 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS alright thanks...im thinking about replacing my open diff with a gov lock posi from a ZR2 or something...pick one up off ebay...im still trying to figure out if I have a 26 or 28 spline diff though...you know how to tell?
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03-20-2008, 12:20 PM	#206
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Why would you want a grenade-lock? Get a posi carrier out of an F-Body - that's what I did. IIRC 88+ have the 28 spline and 87- have the 26 Edit: check out this thread: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f13/10-bolt-faq-129992/ Last edited by ChrisInVT : 03-20-2008 at 12:23 PM.
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03-20-2008, 02:05 PM	#207
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisInVT Why would you want a grenade-lock? Get a posi carrier out of an F-Body - that's what I did. IIRC 88+ have the 28 spline and 87- have the 26 Edit: check out this thread: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f13/10-bolt-faq-129992/ the year break is no way black and white. my 89 has a 26 spline. if the trucks are within the 87-89 era i would check to make sure. i found out by pulling the axle out and counting the splines. besides, the zr2 g80 is for the 8.5 rear end and wouldnt fit your application. also, if your a fairly good welder, you can weld the side and spider gears to the carrier like i did. for all practical purposes its a spool, but it only cost me the new gear oil and some RTV.
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03-20-2008, 06:02 PM	#208
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS So update on my Jam Nuts. I sent the seller an email saying that they hadn't arrived and she replied saying that she checked with USPS and they didn't have any record of the shipment. So the seller sent me another pair yesterday and apologized for the inconvenience. So HOPEFULLY I'll have them tomorrow or Monday.
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03-20-2008, 06:13 PM	#209
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 271 Location: Rock Springs, MT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Interestingly enough, for the right thread count stud, a trailer hitch nut actually fits on there alright. Don't ask me how I know...
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03-21-2008, 02:21 PM	#210
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Heres a crappy camera phone picture of Sally parked next to my DD Last edited by Baggey22 : 03-21-2008 at 02:22 PM.
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03-21-2008, 02:36 PM	#211
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS MA plates?
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03-21-2008, 03:08 PM	#212
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I am from MA. I go to college in VT. My s10 is registered in NH. go figure
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03-21-2008, 03:15 PM	#213
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS How the hell does that work?
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03-21-2008, 03:19 PM	#214
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I don't even know. . . . . PM replied to
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03-21-2008, 03:43 PM	#215
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS W3RD. I'll LYK on that PM
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03-22-2008, 10:17 AM	#216
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I'm gonna be getting ChrisInVT's NP231 tomorrow, anyone with a first get have an EXTRA Tcase shift knob? His is missing and I won't have time to junkyard hunt for a little while. LET ME KNOW!
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03-24-2008, 09:59 AM	#217
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I PM'd you - I think I found the knob - I just have to get it on there and make sure it's not the one from my brother's truck. I should have the extra time this week to pull the T-case out for you too. You sure you don't want to take the transmission and engine too?
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03-25-2008, 12:37 AM	#218
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Update: I swapped the front and rear shackles today. So now I have shackles in the front that are 1" lift over stock and stock shackles in the rear. The truck looks a little funny because now the front is higher than the rear, but my shackle angle is awesome so I don't care for now. I'll get longer ones for the rear soon. My jam nuts still didn't come yet, I hope they come tomorrow or Wednesday. I'll get pictures of the shackle angle soon. IDK when, so just keep your eyes peeled.
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03-26-2008, 07:37 PM	#219
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS So I'm getting ChrisInVT's Tcase soon and I need some stuff to make it look good. Basically all the interior stuff. If anyone has extra or access to them easily let me know, all the stuff in the picture is what I need.
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03-27-2008, 03:10 AM	#220
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS ahh your putting the whole 231 in? i think you need a new front bumper too! and how is that cross over steering working? i just ordered mine the other day, how tight can you turn?
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03-27-2008, 09:59 AM	#221
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 ahh your putting the whole 231 in? i think you need a new front bumper too! and how is that cross over steering working? i just ordered mine the other day, how tight can you turn? Yea, if I can't find those interior pieces I may just pop rivet an aftermarket shift boot from like a Honda to the floor. I know where 2HI 4HI and 4LO are. What's wrong with my bumper? It's 3/8"x3"/5" box tube The crossover steer is great. I don't know how tight yet, still haven't really driven it on the road.
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03-27-2008, 10:18 AM	#222
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I've got a nice chrome 1st gen bumper you can have
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03-27-2008, 11:33 AM	#223
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 34 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,243 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Baggey, if you can't find that stuff used, LMCtruck.com has the boots, but they are kinda high priced.
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03-27-2008, 01:24 PM	#224
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I think I may just get a leather shift boot from like Wal-Mart and put it in. I know where the lever goes for 2HI 4HI and 4LO. But we'll see.
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03-27-2008, 01:27 PM	#225
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 Yea, if I can't find those interior pieces I may just pop rivet an aftermarket shift boot from like a Honda to the floor. I know where 2HI 4HI and 4LO are. What's wrong with my bumper? It's 3/8"x3"/5" box tube The crossover steer is great. I don't know how tight yet, still haven't really driven it on the road. its like mine, it just doesnt flow with the truck anymore. and get on driving it. jeesh
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03-27-2008, 02:51 PM	#226
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Anyone know exaclty how difficult it will be to swap the T-cases? Like is there anything I'll need to know prior to actually doing it. Besides cutting a hole in the floor for the shift lever.
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03-28-2008, 04:52 PM	#227
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 271 Location: Rock Springs, MT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 Anyone know exaclty how difficult it will be to swap the T-cases? Like is there anything I'll need to know prior to actually doing it. Besides cutting a hole in the floor for the shift lever. Shouldn't be too terribly hard for you to do, especially if you can get it up on a lift/high up enough. Trans/t-case fluids etc. would of course be something to keep in mind, but other than that and the floor cutting, it's fairly straight forward.
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03-28-2008, 04:54 PM	#228
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Thats good to know, the Tcase just shares the transmission fluid with the transmission doesn't it?
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03-28-2008, 04:56 PM	#229
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10 Shouldn't be too terribly hard for you to do, especially if you can get it up on a lift/high up enough. Trans/t-case fluids etc. would of course be something to keep in mind, but other than that and the floor cutting, it's fairly straight forward. we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them
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03-28-2008, 05:05 PM	#230
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them I think he was talking about the T-Case
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03-28-2008, 05:09 PM	#231
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I'll be fine with that. I just did a clutch on a YJ a last week and we didn't have problems jacking that transmission AND Tcase up. So this should be a little easier since it's just the Tcase.
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03-28-2008, 07:23 PM	#232
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 271 Location: Rock Springs, MT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 we dont need to jack up our trucks to work on them Neither do I.
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