Project: 1995 s10 SAS

Baggey22 · 07-28-2008, 08:27 AM

You guy are all sluts, you know that? Especially Tim. I actually haven't gotten the tail gate done. Since my landlord is being kinda dumb I have to weld outside and we've had CRAZY weather the past week.
And as I said like 2 weeks ago, the tires will most likely come last. But I'm hoping to have Chris come here on Sunday and help me finish up some stuff.

ChrisInVT · 07-28-2008, 10:19 AM

Sweet, I'm a slut

Baggey22 · 07-28-2008, 06:01 PM

Anyone have a link so that I know how many ounces to put into my 34s when I do get them mounted? And can I just use any kind of BB?

Tim99Zr2 · 07-28-2008, 07:03 PM

why am i the biggest slut? i think thats a good thing.

Tim99Zr2 · 07-28-2008, 07:03 PM

hell. donahue posted a link somewhere.. he knows it.

Baggey22 · 07-28-2008, 08:53 PM

Well I might take a stab at doing my own tires tomorrow or Wednesday if I can get that link

ChrisInVT · 07-29-2008, 09:33 AM

Don't stab them!!! You might spring a leak!!

***Donahue*** · 07-29-2008, 09:45 PM

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

just a little report. i recently pulled my spare tire off the rim because i am experimenting with mounting a tire inside a tire. anyways, i noticed that the finish of the bb's had flaked off of them, but there was no rust to speak of and nothing really seeming wrong with them. they have been in for a couple years now, and i just used the cheap steel bb's from walmart.

go ahead and do your self a favor and use more than the chart says. if you ever rip the tire tread or do something like i would probably do, you will need it.

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 09:56 PM

So I just got in from attempting to do my tires. After almost two hours I was unsuccessful. We broke the bead on the outside by carefully driving over it, then finished the bead using two hammers. But we can't get the rim out of the tire.
Any ideas/suggestions? I'm gonna try again tomorrow but more thoughts would be helpful

***Donahue*** · 07-29-2008, 09:58 PM

tire spoons, and soapy water. me and my brother can do one in about 5 minutes if we dont get stupid with it.

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 10:18 PM

Like soapy water on the tire?
You should take a video of you doing it, then I'll see how you do it

Tim99Zr2 · 07-29-2008, 10:22 PM

yes, put it around where the bead seals, it helps it slide off. coat that mofo with soapy water!

***Donahue*** · 07-29-2008, 10:23 PM

yes, soapy water helps the bead get past the lip of the rim. when we do it, we use 3 spoons, or more specifically, 2 spoons and a big pry bar that is just used to free one of the spoons.

we start my inserting the two spoons about 4-6" apart, and pull bead over the lip. then take the pry bar and use it to "keep the place" of one of the spoons. then use the free spoon to take another 4" of bead, and work your way around. be sure that the pry bar stays pretty much in the same spot while doing this. one more thing to remember, be sure you are doing it from the front of the rim (unless its a reverse center rim) and make sure the bead of the tire is in the low spot in the rim 180* out from where the spoons are.

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 10:25 PM

Okay, I'll try the soapy water. We got one side off pretty easily once finding the correct way to do it. We were also trying to do it with two small pry bars. Tomorrow I'll get bigger bars.

Tim99Zr2 · 07-29-2008, 10:28 PM

yea, more leverage is key.

***Donahue*** · 07-29-2008, 10:28 PM

leverage helps, so does a third bar and a second set of hands.

Tim99Zr2 · 07-29-2008, 10:29 PM

bahahaa, ok, ill quit reading your mind donahue

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 10:32 PM

I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars.
Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water?

***Donahue*** · 07-29-2008, 10:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars.
Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water?

dont get macho and try and take too much of the bead. if you cant get 4" of new ground, then settle for 2".

Tim99Zr2 · 07-29-2008, 10:42 PM

maybe a bulky guy to help hold the tire in place! haha

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 10:45 PM

Thanks a lot guys, I'll attempt this again tomorrow and let you know how things go.

Tim99Zr2 · 07-29-2008, 10:48 PM

ChrisInVT · 07-29-2008, 11:15 PM

Just don't rape that one 33 too much

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 11:19 PM

That's why I started with the rear ones, I don't care about them cause they're worthless. By the time I get to the two front ones I'll be good at it so I can save them for spares for you and me.

DieselS10 · 07-29-2008, 11:20 PM

I bet I've watched Gump's 252 pound ass mount 50 tires without even using a tire tool or hammer. Just soapy water and ALOT of force.

Baggey22 · 07-29-2008, 11:27 PM

It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims

DieselS10 · 07-29-2008, 11:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims

Yeah, I know, mounting them will be cake after you get the old ones off. The way Donahue told you to take them off works great, been doing it for years.

Baggey22 · 07-30-2008, 09:50 PM

So I have a bit of a dilemma to figure out VERY SOON. I was planning to change my front leaf springs so I could use shorter s10 ones instead of F150 leafs. But I did some measuring today and the shackle itself would only sit like 2" (maybe like 1.5") closer to the tire. So it doesn't really do much for my break over angle.
So here's my three options:
1. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and move it slightly which enables use of a smaller shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle)
OR
2. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and weld in another plate to be able to use the shorter springs with the shorter shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle)
OR
3. Leave it alone and just wheel the crap out of it where it is with the longer shackles (shackles are 1" over stock s10 shackles)

The reason I ask is because Chris is coming over this weekend to help me finish up the project. If he comes and we do the springs I'll have to wait another week to get EVERYTHING done. But we may be able to get 90% of stuff done and be wheeling by midweek. So I'm somewhat torn on what to do. I need input, do people think that the shorter shackle moving like 1.5" forward will REALLY make a difference or should I just move it so I can use the shorter shackle on the longer leafs?
Opinions would be great! Thanks

And just so you all know, list of things to finish:
-Mount shocks (ordered yesterday, arriving tomorrow)
-Tranny Xmember (have idea, just need to DO it)
-front drive shaft (If XJ one is too short make it out of tube)
-change shackle (if I decide to do it)
-finish mounting tires
-Winch and finish front bumper (not necessary for wheeling . . . yet)

Tim99Zr2 · 07-30-2008, 10:09 PM

youll need a longer DS.

personally, i would get it done. test it out the way it is. if you dont like it, change it

Tim99Zr2 · 07-30-2008, 10:10 PM

annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make?

Baggey22 · 07-30-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make?

After like 10 more minutes today we got the tire completely off the rim. Then we were working on getting the new tire ON and it started to DOWNPOUR so we had to stop. It's a pain in the ass, I may just take them somewhere Friday.

07-28-2008, 12:12 AM	#551
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS x3
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07-28-2008, 12:15 AM	#552
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07-28-2008, 08:27 AM	#553
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS You guy are all sluts, you know that? Especially Tim. I actually haven't gotten the tail gate done. Since my landlord is being kinda dumb I have to weld outside and we've had CRAZY weather the past week. And as I said like 2 weeks ago, the tires will most likely come last. But I'm hoping to have Chris come here on Sunday and help me finish up some stuff.
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07-28-2008, 10:19 AM	#554
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Sweet, I'm a slut
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07-28-2008, 06:01 PM	#555
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Anyone have a link so that I know how many ounces to put into my 34s when I do get them mounted? And can I just use any kind of BB?
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07-28-2008, 07:03 PM	#556
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS why am i the biggest slut? i think thats a good thing.
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07-28-2008, 07:03 PM	#557
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS hell. donahue posted a link somewhere.. he knows it.
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07-28-2008, 08:53 PM	#558
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Well I might take a stab at doing my own tires tomorrow or Wednesday if I can get that link
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07-29-2008, 09:33 AM	#559
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Don't stab them!!! You might spring a leak!!
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07-29-2008, 09:45 PM	#560
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm just a little report. i recently pulled my spare tire off the rim because i am experimenting with mounting a tire inside a tire. anyways, i noticed that the finish of the bb's had flaked off of them, but there was no rust to speak of and nothing really seeming wrong with them. they have been in for a couple years now, and i just used the cheap steel bb's from walmart. go ahead and do your self a favor and use more than the chart says. if you ever rip the tire tread or do something like i would probably do, you will need it.
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07-29-2008, 09:56 PM	#561
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS So I just got in from attempting to do my tires. After almost two hours I was unsuccessful. We broke the bead on the outside by carefully driving over it, then finished the bead using two hammers. But we can't get the rim out of the tire. Any ideas/suggestions? I'm gonna try again tomorrow but more thoughts would be helpful
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07-29-2008, 09:58 PM	#562
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS tire spoons, and soapy water. me and my brother can do one in about 5 minutes if we dont get stupid with it.
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07-29-2008, 10:18 PM	#563
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Like soapy water on the tire? You should take a video of you doing it, then I'll see how you do it
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07-29-2008, 10:22 PM	#564
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS yes, put it around where the bead seals, it helps it slide off. coat that mofo with soapy water!
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07-29-2008, 10:23 PM	#565
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS yes, soapy water helps the bead get past the lip of the rim. when we do it, we use 3 spoons, or more specifically, 2 spoons and a big pry bar that is just used to free one of the spoons. we start my inserting the two spoons about 4-6" apart, and pull bead over the lip. then take the pry bar and use it to "keep the place" of one of the spoons. then use the free spoon to take another 4" of bead, and work your way around. be sure that the pry bar stays pretty much in the same spot while doing this. one more thing to remember, be sure you are doing it from the front of the rim (unless its a reverse center rim) and make sure the bead of the tire is in the low spot in the rim 180* out from where the spoons are.
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07-29-2008, 10:25 PM	#566
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Okay, I'll try the soapy water. We got one side off pretty easily once finding the correct way to do it. We were also trying to do it with two small pry bars. Tomorrow I'll get bigger bars.
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07-29-2008, 10:28 PM	#567
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS yea, more leverage is key.
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07-29-2008, 10:28 PM	#568
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS leverage helps, so does a third bar and a second set of hands.
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07-29-2008, 10:29 PM	#569
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS bahahaa, ok, ill quit reading your mind donahue
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07-29-2008, 10:32 PM	#570
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars. Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water?
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07-29-2008, 10:41 PM	#571
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,581 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars. Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water? dont get macho and try and take too much of the bead. if you cant get 4" of new ground, then settle for 2".
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07-29-2008, 10:42 PM	#572
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS maybe a bulky guy to help hold the tire in place! haha
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07-29-2008, 10:45 PM	#573
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Thanks a lot guys, I'll attempt this again tomorrow and let you know how things go.
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07-29-2008, 10:48 PM	#574
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS
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07-29-2008, 11:15 PM	#575
ChrisInVT I Rather Be Wheelin' Age: 25 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,461 Location: The Woods, VT User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Just don't rape that one 33 too much
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07-29-2008, 11:19 PM	#576
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS That's why I started with the rear ones, I don't care about them cause they're worthless. By the time I get to the two front ones I'll be good at it so I can save them for spares for you and me.
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07-29-2008, 11:20 PM	#577
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 34 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,243 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS I bet I've watched Gump's 252 pound ass mount 50 tires without even using a tire tool or hammer. Just soapy water and ALOT of force.
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07-29-2008, 11:27 PM	#578
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims
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07-29-2008, 11:29 PM	#579
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 34 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,243 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims Yeah, I know, mounting them will be cake after you get the old ones off. The way Donahue told you to take them off works great, been doing it for years.
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07-30-2008, 09:50 PM	#580
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS So I have a bit of a dilemma to figure out VERY SOON. I was planning to change my front leaf springs so I could use shorter s10 ones instead of F150 leafs. But I did some measuring today and the shackle itself would only sit like 2" (maybe like 1.5") closer to the tire. So it doesn't really do much for my break over angle. So here's my three options: 1. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and move it slightly which enables use of a smaller shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle) OR 2. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and weld in another plate to be able to use the shorter springs with the shorter shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle) OR 3. Leave it alone and just wheel the crap out of it where it is with the longer shackles (shackles are 1" over stock s10 shackles) The reason I ask is because Chris is coming over this weekend to help me finish up the project. If he comes and we do the springs I'll have to wait another week to get EVERYTHING done. But we may be able to get 90% of stuff done and be wheeling by midweek. So I'm somewhat torn on what to do. I need input, do people think that the shorter shackle moving like 1.5" forward will REALLY make a difference or should I just move it so I can use the shorter shackle on the longer leafs? Opinions would be great! Thanks And just so you all know, list of things to finish: -Mount shocks (ordered yesterday, arriving tomorrow) -Tranny Xmember (have idea, just need to DO it) -front drive shaft (If XJ one is too short make it out of tube) -change shackle (if I decide to do it) -finish mounting tires -Winch and finish front bumper (not necessary for wheeling . . . yet) Last edited by Baggey22 : 07-30-2008 at 09:52 PM.
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07-30-2008, 10:09 PM	#581
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS youll need a longer DS. personally, i would get it done. test it out the way it is. if you dont like it, change it
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07-30-2008, 10:10 PM	#582
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,161 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make?
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07-30-2008, 10:19 PM	#583
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,080 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: Project: 1995 s10 SAS Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make? After like 10 more minutes today we got the tire completely off the rim. Then we were working on getting the new tire ON and it started to DOWNPOUR so we had to stop. It's a pain in the ass, I may just take them somewhere Friday.
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