Project: 1995 s10 SAS

[DieselS10]

Baggey, I've got 3 S10 t-cases, from different years, at my shop that I can check to see if any of them are long or not. 2 of them may even be available, but I'll have to see because one of them is my dad's and the other is my buddies.

[Baggey22]

That would be amazing if you had what I need.

Or anyone else had what I need

[wrekd]

Told ya you shoulda just swapped the front output shaft on the 233. Now your running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for another t-case

I was looking around and I think you need a 92-97 NP231. That SHOULD have the long output shaft. Im not 100% sure on that but thats where i would start looking.

[ChrisInVT]

I still want to go back and run into that truck a few times, drag it around on it's roof even.

And you can flex out on it and take pics

[DieselS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

Told ya you shoulda just swapped the front output shaft on the 233. Now your running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for another t-case

I was looking around and I think you need a 92-97 NP231. That SHOULD have the long output shaft. Im not 100% sure on that but thats where i would start looking.

One of them that I mentioned is a '91 or '92.

[wrekd]

This is the site im basing it off of:

http://www.drivetrain.com/transferca...0Model%2023 1

Its a good site. Its how I found out about what size chain was in my t-case and what year front output shaft i needed to swap into it.

[Donahue]

is it the HD case that you need? if so, i may be able to round up an output shaft and tail housing that came off my doubler. i will look to see what i have.

[Baggey22]

I don't know if it's the HD case. All I know is that I need an NP231 that has a much longer slip yoke than the one I have, theres pictures that TFPETS put up on page 8 or 9.

[Baggey22]

Anyone have what I need? I need it like a.s.a.p!

[wrekd]

Make a post over on s10extremists.org in the wanted adds. Somebody has got to have one over there.

[ChrisInVT]

throw up a post on gmtruckhq.com also. I don't have a clue when I'm ever going to get that other 1st gen, so don't wait on me; because it might not even be the right t-case (again).

[Tim99Zr2]

i just threw out a long tail shaft. i had a busted NP233 laying around along with a jeep NP231

[Baggey22]

Anyone know if a Jeep NP231 SYE will work? I can't find any Chevy NP231 SYE kits.
The reason I ask is because the 3 salvage yards I've called want at least $300 for a USED case out of a JUNKED truck.

[melon16]

IIRC it is the same transfer case except the jeep has more planets I believe as well as the case on the transmission end being different..

[wrekd]

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/p...short_sye.html

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/p...short_sye.html

When I did a search (Google) that's the only site I found too. I just don't know if I can justify $340 for an SYE. I have leads on two transfer cases that might have what I need but if they don't the SYE is my next option.
So if internally the NP231J and NP231C are the same can I use a NP231J SYE on MY NP231C? Cause NP231J SYEs are a lot more inexpensive than for my NP231C.

[tfpets]

It seemed pretty specific that it be the hd 231...which I beleive is the long output...so for you to use it, you would have to have a long output 231 and your problem would already be solved anyway!

[wrekd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

When I did a search (Google) that's the only site I found too. I just don't know if I can justify $340 for an SYE. I have leads on two transfer cases that might have what I need but if they don't the SYE is my next option.
So if internally the NP231J and NP231C are the same can I use a NP231J SYE on MY NP231C? Cause NP231J SYEs are a lot more inexpensive than for my NP231C.

I dont think so. The NP231J has a smaller chain in it. 1" vs 1.25". Otherwise it would be one kit fits all.

[Baggey22]

Okay, that makes sense. Hey TFPETS you said a few posts ago that you can get them from a yard close to you for like $75 right? How much do you think it would be to get one shipped to me from you? (if you're willing to help me out) I'd pay for everything. If it's less than the $300 the gold digger junk yards want around here I'd be game for it. Let me know, my zip code is 05656 and I can PayPal you the money a.s.a.p.

[tfpets]

Hmmmm...I will see what I can do...I actually have the one that was in my brothers red blazer in my garage...it is a spare for his so I will talk to him and see what he wants to do...

[Baggey22]

That would be awesome. I don't need anything for the shifter because I got that from Chris's truck. I would also NEED the slip yoke that goes with the case.

[tfpets]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

That would be awesome. I don't need anything for the shifter because I got that from Chris's truck. I would also NEED the slip yoke that goes with the case.

I dont have an extra one of those...but I am 99% sure that the 233 yolk fits!

[DieselS10]

I checked all the T-cases at my shop and they are all short shaft, including the one that I used for nearly a decade after I did my spring over with 2" blocks, and 3" springs. I know I'm repeating what I stated before and I am in no way trying to doubt what others have stated through experience, but I never had any trouble with my short shaft T-case.

[tfpets]

I dont doubt ANYTHING you say and I have nothing but respect for you and your abilitys...I mean damn youve got a diesel s10! I just know that there is no way that t-case would work in my truck (or my brothers)...we tried it and measured it and tried some more all possible ways (trust me, I did everything I could to keep from swapping out a t-case), but that little stub didnt have enough slip to work ON OURS! The only thing we didnt check is if there was any possibility of there being a longer yolk out there somewhere to go into that t-case...I wish I had got pics of it!! The only possible explanation I can think of is the difference in driveline angle due to wheelbase...and if that is the explanation then it is very possible that t-case will work in baggeys truck with a proper length driveline...

[Baggey22]

So how do I get a proper length driveline? Like what measurements do I take to determine how long my drive shaft should be. Cause if I don't need the longer slip yoke I can have my truck driving tomorrow.
Or a better way of thinking about it. When the drive line is all said and done and set in place should I have more slip for droop of the axle or more slip for compression of the axle? <-- does that make sense? I hope so

[tfpets]

All I can suggest is to try not to think of it as anything to complicated...just try to get the axle up as high as you think it might ever go...(how high it would go if you were to bounce it really hard) this is kind of hard to tell unless you have a few hundred pounds of buddies to put in the bed, or you can put in bump stops so you know how far it will ever go...but anyway you need to get it at that spot and take a measurement...then let it go full droop and take a measurement (keep in mind that if the shocks dont limit travel it COULD POSSIBLY go a little farther than this)...then you have to determine if there is enough slip for the difference in measurements without the yolk coming out to far...as for how to measure for the driveline, that depends on who is making it...under normal circumstances my guy prefers a center to center measurement of the u-joint cups, but he trusts me enough to give him a weld to weld measurement and so far I have done perfect...I would suggest you figure out how much longer yours needs to be according to your measurements and just have it lengthened that much(if you think there is enough slip in the yolk!)

[DieselS10]

TF, what are the wheel bases of your S10's? Mine was a standard cab longbed before. You have to be right about the wheelbase being the difference. I had to be running mine right on the edge!

[tfpets]

I dont have exact numbers but mine is a regular cab short bed (using an 88 camaro driveline) and my brothers was a 2-door blazer, and he was able to use his original driveline once we installed the new long t-case and yolk...more to the point I will try to get some driveline lengths tonight...and I suppose one could do some research and figure out the differences(hint hint)...

[ChrisInVT]

All this talk about the driveline.....

How about the tires, have ya got the damn tires on yet!?!?! I demand pics of the truck with the new tires!!!

[Baggey22]

TFPETS - thanks for the advice, I'm gonna try it tomorrow or Tuesday with a few friends and 350lbs of sand bags from the theatre.
If it all works out okay I'll have the truck home soon and will be working on it this weekend.
Plans once it's here: I plan to first make that tail gate I was talking about to practice my welding (it's been a while) Then once I am confident enough for that I'm going to remake my front shackle mounts so that I can use my shorter Blazer leafs in the front. Then after that is done make the transmission Xmember and then have a local shop fix the exhaust (unless I can do it myself, we'll see) Then once that is all done get some shocks on it and the TIRES then hit the trails.
Of course I'll have pictures and Chris if you're free on Sundays that's when I'll be working on it, so I may have you come visit and help me with welding if things don't go as planned.

[wrekd]

Baggey, Is your truck locked up or did you leave the diffs open. Just wonderin

[Baggey22]

My 8.8 has the Ford Trac Lock (limited slip) and the D30 is open. Eventually I plan to upgrade the axle shafts to one piece and throw a PowerTracks or other lunch box style locker in it.