89 SFA buildup for rocks

tfpets · 03-04-2008, 10:39 PM

So what are you thinking? Dakota or f-150...we are thinking about dakota springs for my brothers because there is a nice set at the junkyard but nothing is set in stone yet...mine are an xj pack with a dakota main leaf (with the eyes cut off) second down...we are thinking maybe dakota main and second leaf and the rest xj on his...or maybe just a dakota pack?? Can I get your opinion?!

***Donahue*** · 03-04-2008, 10:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

normally they face foward?

yeah, thats the primary difference between the astro and the s10 box. on the s10 box, the pitman arm faces rearward, and the astro faces forward. but my steering is reversed and i need to mount the pitman arm on backwards, so an astro box with the pitman arm facing rearward is what i will be doing. if i wanted to move the front axle 18" or more forward i could just use the stock box with the arm flipped, but that would put the axle about under the front bumper.

Tim99Zr2 · 03-04-2008, 10:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

yeah, thats the primary difference between the astro and the s10 box. on the s10 box, the pitman arm faces rearward, and the astro faces forward. but my steering is reversed and i need to mount the pitman arm on backwards, so an astro box with the pitman arm facing rearward is what i will be doing. if i wanted to move the front axle 18" or more forward i could just use the stock box with the arm flipped, but that would put the axle about under the front bumper.

haha ok, i was going to say you couldnt use the astro box and flip the arm cause that's make your steering wheel go the wrong way!

***Donahue*** · 03-04-2008, 10:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by tfpets

So what are you thinking? Dakota or f-150...we are thinking about dakota springs for my brothers because there is a nice set at the junkyard but nothing is set in stone yet...mine are an xj pack with a dakota main leaf (with the eyes cut off) second down...we are thinking maybe dakota main and second leaf and the rest xj on his...or maybe just a dakota pack?? Can I get your opinion?!

im not sure. initially i wanted the dakota springs for the offset, but now having them in my hand they are only 1" more forward than the ford springs. the ford springs are also 3" wide, which i like because they resist bending more and can offer the same spring rate with a thinner leaf. there may be a slight issue with the bolt on the dakota leaf too, i couldnt get the 9/16" bolt i have go through it, but i didnt try that hard or even look to see if there was just crap in the hole. i went with dakota springs over durango springs because i heard they were a bit stiffer. never in my mind did i think they would be stiffer than the f150 springs. i didnt want to have issues with the durango springs, but i know i will not have issues with the ford springs, so i really dont know. my crossmember is designed to accommodate 3" and 2.5" wide springs so that isnt an issue.

***Donahue*** · 03-05-2008, 09:02 PM

i picked up my front locker today. i bought it from my dad as "new in box". i didnt realize it was rusty, but oh well, its still new never installed.

s_man692000 · 03-06-2008, 01:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

it will definitely have power off road, because i have doubled up t-cases. i will be at 135:1 crawl ratio, which if you guess my 2.8 puts out 150 lbs of torque, puts me at just over 20k lbs of torque to the ground. thats more than just about any non doubled truck with a v8. the benefit to keeping the 2.8 is that it is already in the chassis. it also runs great, and has a known history. i also know that i probably cant break my t5 trans with it, nor anything else except for probably my front axle in double low. i guess the thing to remember is that i primarily rock crawl, where HP is not king but gears are. i wont be mud bogging it, maybe once in a blue moon.

Good points,my buddy is building a 4cyl jeep cj5 ,because his v8 cj7 breaks something every time he wheels and it doesnt matter how good or how expensive the parts are just way too much torque.

local12hand · 03-07-2008, 04:35 PM

More pics or

***Donahue*** · 03-07-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by local12hand

More pics or

i will probably be working on it this weekend. i might get my rear suspension mocked up.

local12hand · 03-07-2008, 10:18 PM

gusdaman · 03-09-2008, 10:19 PM

Yeah Don,
lets see some update pics.

local12hand · 03-18-2008, 08:50 PM

***Donahue*** · 03-18-2008, 10:55 PM

i never touched it that weekend. we've been getting more tools so ive been messing around with those. we've added a tube bender and a big metal band saw to the list.

Baggey22 · 03-18-2008, 11:33 PM

Okay, I'll settle for pix of the new tools

***Donahue*** · 03-19-2008, 12:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Okay, I'll settle for pix of the new tools

ok

and one more for everyone, this is what the crossmember looks like with a stock bumper. this gives you some idea of how much it lowers, etc.

local12hand · 03-19-2008, 12:39 AM

okay that will do for a little while

Baggey22 · 03-19-2008, 08:45 AM

You're off the hook. . . . for now

Tim99Zr2 · 03-19-2008, 11:48 AM

i cant say anything.. at least he has progress pics.. i might later on today

MTchevyS10 · 03-20-2008, 05:16 PM

Get a tube bender die set with a lot of variety or just one or two sizes you know you'll need?

***Donahue*** · 03-20-2008, 11:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10

Get a tube bender die set with a lot of variety or just one or two sizes you know you'll need?

we've got 1.5" right now, but we will probably get a few more. i dont think i want to spend a whole lot of money on dies so i will probably just get a few and make the projects fit what i have. the next one will probably be 1.75" or 2".

MTchevyS10 · 03-21-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

we've got 1.5" right now, but we will probably get a few more. i dont think i want to spend a whole lot of money on dies so i will probably just get a few and make the projects fit what i have. the next one will probably be 1.75" or 2".

Yeah, just a few of those of common sizes you'd use would probably be good enough I'd say.

pvfjr · 03-21-2008, 03:12 PM

Sure is a sweet bumper you got there. Can't believe you never broke those lights though.

***Donahue*** · 03-23-2008, 12:18 AM

ok, ive started working on my rear 4 link today. ive got my rear truss built and should have most of the axle stuff tacked up for mock up tonight.

***Donahue*** · 03-23-2008, 12:59 AM

ive just tacked the brackets to the axle because the pinion angle is not set in stone yet. speaking of, you can get some idea of how much im going to have the pinion tipped up.

pvfjr · 03-23-2008, 01:40 AM

Looks like you got some gappage to fill there eh?

Oh, saw your dad today. Looks like he's gonna buy that parts truck from me. I'm throwing in the NV3500, rear end, motor, etc. Pretty much complete. So hound him for parts. Oh, and I'm keeping the 35's and the winch. Might need them for when I SAS the pathy......

dillon_b12 · 03-23-2008, 01:44 AM

Good looking build up. It would of been nice if you notched those axle brackets so they fit all sexy like.

***Donahue*** · 03-23-2008, 10:27 AM

i may still do that, i will probably pull that off once before it gets fully welded, i have more work that has to be done with it, and with the axle housing itself.

91'4wdsonoma · 04-26-2008, 02:40 PM

any updates?

DieselS10 · 04-27-2008, 09:54 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 91'4wdsonoma

any updates?

X2

Eroq · 04-28-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

hah, you should try a d60 front fully loaded...

Dana 60 is light compared to the Dana 70 in my truck!

only took 3 people to rassle in it and lined up!

Its lookin good man, looks like it'll turn out ALOT better than my hokey suspension! just takes time

***Donahue*** · 05-08-2008, 01:20 AM

well, we parted out a free truck tonight. i ended up with a nv3500/241 from a 88 or so 3/4t pickup. that should come in handy if i ever swap over to a 350 when the 2.8 liters of fury give up the ghost.

***Donahue*** · 05-08-2008, 05:51 PM

ive been working on my rear end, getting it shaved for clearance. i cut 3 of the bolt holes for the cover off, and there is still a lot to grind off to get it down to where i want it.

03-04-2008, 10:39 PM	#201
tfpets 2UP1DOWN Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Northern California User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks So what are you thinking? Dakota or f-150...we are thinking about dakota springs for my brothers because there is a nice set at the junkyard but nothing is set in stone yet...mine are an xj pack with a dakota main leaf (with the eyes cut off) second down...we are thinking maybe dakota main and second leaf and the rest xj on his...or maybe just a dakota pack?? Can I get your opinion?!
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03-04-2008, 10:51 PM	#202
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 normally they face foward? yeah, thats the primary difference between the astro and the s10 box. on the s10 box, the pitman arm faces rearward, and the astro faces forward. but my steering is reversed and i need to mount the pitman arm on backwards, so an astro box with the pitman arm facing rearward is what i will be doing. if i wanted to move the front axle 18" or more forward i could just use the stock box with the arm flipped, but that would put the axle about under the front bumper.
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03-04-2008, 10:54 PM	#203
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,331 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue yeah, thats the primary difference between the astro and the s10 box. on the s10 box, the pitman arm faces rearward, and the astro faces forward. but my steering is reversed and i need to mount the pitman arm on backwards, so an astro box with the pitman arm facing rearward is what i will be doing. if i wanted to move the front axle 18" or more forward i could just use the stock box with the arm flipped, but that would put the axle about under the front bumper. haha ok, i was going to say you couldnt use the astro box and flip the arm cause that's make your steering wheel go the wrong way!
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03-04-2008, 10:56 PM	#204
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by tfpets So what are you thinking? Dakota or f-150...we are thinking about dakota springs for my brothers because there is a nice set at the junkyard but nothing is set in stone yet...mine are an xj pack with a dakota main leaf (with the eyes cut off) second down...we are thinking maybe dakota main and second leaf and the rest xj on his...or maybe just a dakota pack?? Can I get your opinion?! im not sure. initially i wanted the dakota springs for the offset, but now having them in my hand they are only 1" more forward than the ford springs. the ford springs are also 3" wide, which i like because they resist bending more and can offer the same spring rate with a thinner leaf. there may be a slight issue with the bolt on the dakota leaf too, i couldnt get the 9/16" bolt i have go through it, but i didnt try that hard or even look to see if there was just crap in the hole. i went with dakota springs over durango springs because i heard they were a bit stiffer. never in my mind did i think they would be stiffer than the f150 springs. i didnt want to have issues with the durango springs, but i know i will not have issues with the ford springs, so i really dont know. my crossmember is designed to accommodate 3" and 2.5" wide springs so that isnt an issue.
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03-05-2008, 09:02 PM	#205
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks i picked up my front locker today. i bought it from my dad as "new in box". i didnt realize it was rusty, but oh well, its still new never installed.
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03-06-2008, 01:09 PM	#206
s_man692000 Offroad4Life Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 595 Location: Upstate New York User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue it will definitely have power off road, because i have doubled up t-cases. i will be at 135:1 crawl ratio, which if you guess my 2.8 puts out 150 lbs of torque, puts me at just over 20k lbs of torque to the ground. thats more than just about any non doubled truck with a v8. the benefit to keeping the 2.8 is that it is already in the chassis. it also runs great, and has a known history. i also know that i probably cant break my t5 trans with it, nor anything else except for probably my front axle in double low. i guess the thing to remember is that i primarily rock crawl, where HP is not king but gears are. i wont be mud bogging it, maybe once in a blue moon. Good points,my buddy is building a 4cyl jeep cj5 ,because his v8 cj7 breaks something every time he wheels and it doesnt matter how good or how expensive the parts are just way too much torque.
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03-07-2008, 04:35 PM	#207
local12hand Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 395 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks More pics or
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03-07-2008, 06:06 PM	#208
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by local12hand More pics or i will probably be working on it this weekend. i might get my rear suspension mocked up.
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03-07-2008, 10:18 PM	#209
local12hand Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 395 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks
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03-09-2008, 10:19 PM	#210
gusdaman Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 331 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Yeah Don, lets see some update pics.
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03-18-2008, 08:50 PM	#211
local12hand Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 395 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks
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03-18-2008, 10:55 PM	#212
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks i never touched it that weekend. we've been getting more tools so ive been messing around with those. we've added a tube bender and a big metal band saw to the list.
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03-18-2008, 11:33 PM	#213
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,541 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Okay, I'll settle for pix of the new tools
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03-19-2008, 12:24 AM	#214
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22 Okay, I'll settle for pix of the new tools ok and one more for everyone, this is what the crossmember looks like with a stock bumper. this gives you some idea of how much it lowers, etc.
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03-19-2008, 12:39 AM	#215
local12hand Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 395 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks okay that will do for a little while
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03-19-2008, 08:45 AM	#216
Baggey22 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,541 Location: Johnson, Vermont User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks You're off the hook. . . . for now
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03-19-2008, 11:48 AM	#217
Tim99Zr2 Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,331 Location: Reynoldsville User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks i cant say anything.. at least he has progress pics.. i might later on today
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03-20-2008, 05:16 PM	#218
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Rock Springs, MT User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Get a tube bender die set with a lot of variety or just one or two sizes you know you'll need?
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03-20-2008, 11:09 PM	#219
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by MTchevyS10 Get a tube bender die set with a lot of variety or just one or two sizes you know you'll need? we've got 1.5" right now, but we will probably get a few more. i dont think i want to spend a whole lot of money on dies so i will probably just get a few and make the projects fit what i have. the next one will probably be 1.75" or 2".
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03-21-2008, 03:02 PM	#220
MTchevyS10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 134 Location: Rock Springs, MT User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue we've got 1.5" right now, but we will probably get a few more. i dont think i want to spend a whole lot of money on dies so i will probably just get a few and make the projects fit what i have. the next one will probably be 1.75" or 2". Yeah, just a few of those of common sizes you'd use would probably be good enough I'd say.
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03-21-2008, 03:12 PM	#221
pvfjr Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 43 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Sure is a sweet bumper you got there. Can't believe you never broke those lights though.
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03-23-2008, 12:18 AM	#222
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks ok, ive started working on my rear 4 link today. ive got my rear truss built and should have most of the axle stuff tacked up for mock up tonight.
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03-23-2008, 12:59 AM	#223
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks ive just tacked the brackets to the axle because the pinion angle is not set in stone yet. speaking of, you can get some idea of how much im going to have the pinion tipped up.
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03-23-2008, 01:40 AM	#224
pvfjr Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 43 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Looks like you got some gappage to fill there eh? Oh, saw your dad today. Looks like he's gonna buy that parts truck from me. I'm throwing in the NV3500, rear end, motor, etc. Pretty much complete. So hound him for parts. Oh, and I'm keeping the 35's and the winch. Might need them for when I SAS the pathy......
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03-23-2008, 01:44 AM	#225
dillon_b12 Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,222 Location: Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Good looking build up. It would of been nice if you notched those axle brackets so they fit all sexy like.
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03-23-2008, 10:27 AM	#226
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks i may still do that, i will probably pull that off once before it gets fully welded, i have more work that has to be done with it, and with the axle housing itself.
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04-26-2008, 02:40 PM	#227
91'4wdsonoma Registered User Age: 18 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 219 Location: Ontario User is: Online	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks any updates?
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04-27-2008, 09:54 PM	#228
DieselS10 Registered User Age: 34 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 505 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by 91'4wdsonoma any updates? X2
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04-28-2008, 03:51 PM	#229
Eroq Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 50 Location: Hartland, MI User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue hah, you should try a d60 front fully loaded... Dana 60 is light compared to the Dana 70 in my truck! only took 3 people to rassle in it and lined up! Its lookin good man, looks like it'll turn out ALOT better than my hokey suspension! just takes time Last edited by Eroq : 04-28-2008 at 03:52 PM.
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05-08-2008, 01:20 AM	#230
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks well, we parted out a free truck tonight. i ended up with a nv3500/241 from a 88 or so 3/4t pickup. that should come in handy if i ever swap over to a 350 when the 2.8 liters of fury give up the ghost.
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05-08-2008, 05:51 PM	#231
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,025 Location: Springfield, OR User is: OffLine	Re: 89 SFA buildup for rocks ive been working on my rear end, getting it shaved for clearance. i cut 3 of the bolt holes for the cover off, and there is still a lot to grind off to get it down to where i want it.
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