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Finally Here! NV3500 Short Throw Shifters

Core Shifters has finally come thru for us and is making a NV3500 short throw shifter.
They make a 'base' kit that for $160+shipping comes with the mounting base only.
They make a 'full' kit that for a little over $200+shipping comes with the base, a Hurst shift arm and Hurst knob.
The cool thing is they sell a few models/years kits with the right shift arm for whatever year truck or model you have. Including Jeep and C/K trucks. Or like in my case with a custom console, I can get the base kit and buy a different knob (reuse my SS knob) and buy a different arm.

They also have a NV1500 kit for the 2.2L guys as well.

The bases look just like a Hurst Comp/Plus shifter



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Sweet! Can we get pics of the kit somehow?
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Check out Core-Shifters on ebay brother

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Re: Finally Here! NV3500 Short Throw Shifters

Ur welcome! I saw a Hurst for a Dakota Jegs listed on eay 2 weeks ago and I was on a trip so could not buy it. Bidding ended early and I was heartbroken All I needed to do was swap the stick to the S10 one.
So I been searching every day and last night found those. They make them for about every NV3500 including 1st Gens. I think the only difference is the stick length for the most-part.

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Re: Finally Here! NV3500 Short Throw Shifters

just ordered one for the NV1500, wanna see how this turns out as far as quality, shifts, overall feel.

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Def give some feedback and let us know! I am contempating one and giving up the B&M for someone else to use

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I'll post up feedback once its installed, can't wait for it to come in.

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Def give some feedback and let us know! I am contempating one and giving up the B&M for someone else to use
I'll gladly buy that B&M shifter off of you if you do decide to sell it!

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Re: Finally Here! NV3500 Short Throw Shifters

Ok cool. Shoot me an offer.
I had removed the stock knob but I still got it. I also removed the boot-disc thingy they had on there but still got it also. I have a custom console and nob is why. But otherwise it

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Awesome! I know what I'm buying!

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Do keep in mind, that you can't shift any faster than the .... synchro blocking rings (?) will let you without causing damage.

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? expl;ain

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Synchros in a synchromesh transmission have to either speed up or slow down the next gear you are going into (depending on whether you are down or up shifting) before actual engagement is allowed.

If you try to force the engagement before this happens you can wear out the synchro rings or break their teeth or bend a shift rail or fork.

It's like now with your long shifter, when you shift from 3 to 4 you have to go click click, try to go slam one time and you'll see you can't do it. You can go click click pretty fast but it does take a second.

Short throws are worthwhile, and you can shift faster, but you will still be limited by the spin up time of the next gear that at the moment is just freewheeling. You are fixing to lock that freewheeling gear to the output shaft and the cone clutch brings it up to shaft speed THEN lets it engage. Race cars probably are not synchromesh. They are probably just constant mesh.

Now if you shift at just the right moment, you can cause little or no spin up to be necessary and shift faster flying straight through neutral; synchromesh transmissions allow for a lot of errors in that "right moment".


If you've got one of those long notchy shifters, I've heard that putting a heavy knob on them will really help. My 98 S-10 is not notchy at all. This girl I know calls mine a slapshift (whatever that is) and tells me don't be shifting her car like I shift my truck...


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In a synchromesh gearbox, to correctly match the speed of the gear to that of the shaft as the gear is engaged the collar initially applies a force to a cone-shaped brass clutch attached to the gear, which brings the speeds to match prior to the collar locking into place. The collar is prevented from bridging the locking rings when the speeds are mismatched by synchro rings (also called blocker rings or baulk rings, the latter being spelled balk in the U.S.). The synchro ring rotates slightly due to the frictional torque from the cone clutch. In this position, the dog clutch is prevented from engaging. The brass clutch ring gradually causes parts to spin at the same speed. When they do spin the same speed, there is no more torque from the cone clutch and the dog clutch is allowed to fall in to engagement. In a modern gearbox, the action of all of these components is so smooth and fast it is hardly noticed.

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Welp, got it installed, happy with the reduced throw, its really tight to move but its probly gotta get worn in, overall quality was superb, came with all the necessary hardware and new shifter housing bolts. Would recomend to anyone interested. may take a while to get used to the tighter shift pattern. Have any questions just ask me, I'll update as time goes on,

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How long take t ship to you?

Pics?

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How long take t ship to you?

Pics?
Shipping for me took 4 days believi it or not, came way sooner than I thought,

Only got 2 quick pics, will get better ones at a later date when I ordera boot for it and whatnot. Lets see if they load up...
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That looks pretty good man.

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I was thinkin abt getting the shorter 8" shift handle that has a 2 direction angle. Like the one for the NV1500 they have pictured.(that S10 one is 10.5 and angles 3 directions IIRC)
I got a custom console

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Thanks Mintstick

I was thinking of finding a stick with only one bend towards the bottom but the leverage may not feel right goin from the lower gears to the higher gears, plus I love the way this stick feels, just seems right

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10% off link: http://www.core-shifters.com/servlet...500/Categories
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The Hurst Short Throw shifter is hands down one of the best basic mods you can do to a 5 speed S10. It makes them so much funner to drive. And yes re-learning the shifting of the short throw does take a little getting used to.
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I was thinking of finding a stick with only one bend towards the bottom but the leverage may not feel right goin from the lower gears to the higher gears, plus I love the way this stick feels, just seems right
Like this:


This is the original Hurst shift lever and the leverage and feel is perfect imo, I'd be willing to trade you since the shifter isn't in my vehicle at the moment. I like the looks of the ones that comes with the kits better, idk if their function would be as good or not though...




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I wish I had an S with a stick. Looks good.

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Oh my. I didnt know the old ones had breaking issues. Is that pot metal or aluminum (old Hurst)?
New hotness looks sturdy

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Cast aluminum. It was due to installer error lol. I bought it used and the seller didn't tell me I needed to use rtv silicone and shorter bolts so I used the stock bolts and stock gasket. Someone that can tig weld cast aluminum can fix it though. I had instructions with this one therefore it was installed correctly.


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I've got to get me one of these! I've been looking, but the lack of anything for the nv3500 flat sucked. Now I got to save up.
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I got mine! Yay

I got the full kit off the website. Was like $208 shipped to my door.
Came in just a few days to Florida from wherever he is.
I messaged him and asked for the shorter 8" stick instead of the std S10/NV3500 Hurst 10.5" stick. He obliged and Im happy. I have a custom console I made, so I figured the shorter stick would beter suit my needs.



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Installed with only the front section of my custom console in. But gives the idea of how the shifter shorter 8" relates.


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I like how that stick is more out of the way, but I think mine would be easier to shift with. The only thing my original one had that his didn't is the stick had two rubber piece between it where it mounts to the base. Idk if that was suppose to cut down on vibration or what.


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U mean out of the way cause its shorter?
I like it cause my center console armrest is considerably lower than the stock one. Ill post another pic when its all back together. Fits my personal style best.
U mean bottom of shifter between the mounting pad on the trans?

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Yeah cause it's shorter.

No I mean where the stick bolts to the top of the base.


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Re: Finally Here! NV3500 Short Throw Shifters

Mikez86TA, the picture with the console partly assembled is the trans in 1st or 2nd gear? How close does the knob get to the dash in 1st/3rd/5th? I like the looks of the short handle.

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Oh ok ZQ8..I see what u mean.

Its in Neutral...or I think it was. It doesnt throw that far, so its fine. I like it too.
Because the10.5" (8009) handle that is made specifically for the S10, it has an angle back and another angle towards the driver. That helps when you go up into 5th to make the knob stay within easier reach.
This handle I got (8550) is straight up (angle back of course) with no angle towards the driver. So it makes 5th a bit more of a reach. But honestly it doesnt bother me. My concern in shifting comfort is 1-2, 2-3 mailny since those are your quicker/higher effort shifts when ur getting on it

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^ Nice! I remember the angle back towards the driver with the old Hurst that was discontinued.

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Heres side shot in Neutral:


Side shot in 2/4/R


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Not sure if the link will work but here it is in motion on a vid clip:
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Nice, but I think you need more stickers for your toolboxes.

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Are you guys putting them on backwards or would I have been? I picture the stick bending the opposite way, like in a muscle car?

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does anyone have pics of the 10.5inch stick? i have a tko600 in my truck and im looking for a different shifter...

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This one?


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That looks like the right way to me. Why were the other ones backwards? Wouldn't it be harder to reach?

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The shorter sticks are curved to be mounted that way. I'd think they'd be a little harder to shift with, but idk.


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Yeah I would too. Thanks for clearing it up

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I got mine last night for my 4.3 5speed truck i will post pics of it installed later! i used the factory shift boot tho! I really like it def worh $209

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Nice, but I think you need more stickers for your toolboxes.
lol right! Thats from many years

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Are you guys putting them on backwards or would I have been? I picture the stick bending the opposite way, like in a muscle car?
Mine is the 8" stick...but it has 2 curves as u see in the above picture with it on the bench. The regular one that comes for the NV3500 has one bend at the base back towards u. And its taller. With stock center console and the height it is, Id say the 10.5" regular one would be better for most.
I have a custom console I made and its much shorter where ur arm rest. I like the 2 curve stick.

If I were to install it the other way, I would be punching the dash in 1/3/5 gears...lol

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I got mine last night for my 4.3 5speed truck i will post pics of it installed later! i used the factory shift boot tho! I really like it def worh $209
Nice isnt it?

When ur in neutral, do you have any side-to-side play?

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I don't, mine is tight.


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