Viair Is Awesome!!!

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Lance...here is a pict of what I think maybe causing the end block not to go on properly. This bearing on the end of the motor...its not supposed to be attached to it is it? There looks to be one on the new brush end you sent me.

Damn, you were sent the wrong carbon brush assembly. You have an older style motor. The newer ones have a bearing in the rear cover. You can either send it back, or sell it to someone who needs it - but you'll need a different assembly to work with your motor I'm afraid.

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 01:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Lance...what about the intake valve you sent off to me? How can I replace it?

It goes on top of the piston... Remove the screw, swap the intake valve and replace the screw. Use some blue loctite on the screw thread. You may want to shape the intake valve slightly if it does not lay completely flat against the top of the piston.

vio0633 · 05-04-2009, 04:38 PM

Shit...alright so how much is the right end block for me? Yes the compressors are old...but they ran great for years and would like to get them up to par again!

OneLowSdime · 05-04-2009, 05:50 PM

LANCE!!!!!! got it!

Chevy98 · 05-04-2009, 05:58 PM

i got 2 480's on a 5 gallon tank and i love themm gettin bigger tank tho i play with my switches to much lol

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 07:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Shit...alright so how much is the right end block for me? Yes the compressors are old...but they ran great for years and would like to get them up to par again!

Refresh my memory, send me your address - I'll make it right.

Quote: Originally Posted by OneLowSdime

LANCE!!!!!! got it!

Damn, that was fast! lol

vio0633 · 05-04-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

Refresh my memory, send me your address - I'll make it right.

Damn, that was fast! lol

Your the man Lance! Im sending a PM to you right now. Is there anyway I can tell if my comps are the older style or new? I got these rebuild kits for 2 450's and want to make sure they work ok. I know the leader hoses are good (1/4" NPT) but will the intake valve rebuilt parts I bought work? The part number is RK199. Says its good for 450C/450H,460C.

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 07:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Your the man Lance! Im sending a PM to you right now. Is there anyway I can tell if my comps are the older style or new? I got these rebuild kits for 2 450's and want to make sure they work ok. I know the leader hoses are good (1/4" NPT) but will the intake valve rebuilt parts I bought work? The part number is RK199. Says its good for 450C/450H,460C.

If you have a bearing on the tail shaft of the motor, then it is an "older" style 450C. Newer style 450Cs have them in the rear cover. The intake valves and leader hoses are transferable, so no worries there.

vio0633 · 05-04-2009, 07:53 PM

Ok....I will open up the other one and see whats up. No rush lance...im doing a SFBD on my ride so its going to be a little before it hits the streets again.

vio0633 · 05-04-2009, 08:00 PM

Here are the picts of the other compressor. Looks to be the old style as well. Take a look at the end block...Look bad to ya? LOL!!

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 08:05 PM

Bro-ham, do a continuity test on those commutators before you take another step. They're awfully rusty, and you may have some problems going on with the motor... Would hate to see you spend time on something that may be wasted or nearly wasted.

***lance_martz*** · 05-04-2009, 08:16 PM

Also, if you feel comfortable with it, you can remove the tail shaft bearings and just use the newer style rear cover. Can you get a photo of it so I can check to be sure which side the armature bolts load from?

vio0633 · 05-04-2009, 08:17 PM

I was thinking the same thing too bro. Is their anyway I can take the casing out with the magnet and brush the case off of all the rust with a wirewheel or anything? What ohm reading should I get between the 2 commutator ends? .2 ohms? Thanks for the help man!

JollyGreenMini · 05-05-2009, 11:49 AM

I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly.

They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring.

So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be?

***lance_martz*** · 05-05-2009, 11:53 AM

If you read anything, you are good. You're just looking for continuity.

If you have the rear cover off - just pull the motor housing clear of the motor. There's nothing else holding it in place besides the magnets. Be careful not to slam your fingers when you put it back together.... that can suck large.

vio0633 · 05-05-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by JollyGreenMini

I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly.
They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring.
So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be?

Have you looked at the leader hose? If the check valve is slightly stuck it may cause the spike of amperage on intial start up. Maybe Lance can help ya out!

JollyGreenMini · 05-05-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Have you looked at the leader hose? If the check valve is slightly stuck it may cause the spike of amperage on intial start up. Maybe Lance can help ya out!

They are new leader hoses, I replace those last year.

vio0633 · 05-05-2009, 12:06 PM

Lance...here are some picts of the motor housing assembly's. I will read out the resistance levels of the commutator for ya today.

***lance_martz*** · 05-05-2009, 01:02 PM

Gently wire brush the commutator and external surfaces of the motor in photo #1. #2 looks as clean as its going to get. If you rebuild, you need a new O-ring kit for the pump, or you need to remote mount your air filter. Too much moisture is getting into the motor compartment.

***lance_martz*** · 05-05-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JollyGreenMini

I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly.

They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring.

So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be?

I'll bet that the cylinder walls are scratched and that your piston seals are failing, albeit slowly. Do a tear down and inspect them. If they still run, they can usually be rebuilt.

JollyGreenMini · 05-05-2009, 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

I'll bet that the cylinder walls are scratched and that your piston seals are failing, albeit slowly. Do a tear down and inspect them. If they still run, they can usually be rebuilt.

They still run fantastic, and I beat the hell out of them. 2 380's on a 12 gallon tank that runs 180 psi.

I was assuming the problem was going to be in the windings, i'll have to take them off the truck and tear into em and see what's wrong.

vio0633 · 05-05-2009, 04:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

Gently wire brush the commutator and external surfaces of the motor in photo #1. #2 looks as clean as its going to get. If you rebuild, you need a new O-ring kit for the pump, or you need to remote mount your air filter. Too much moisture is getting into the motor compartment.

Ahh....good call! Thats why it probably got all this crap in there...o ring seal busted out. How much is the O ring kit Lance? Can you send one to me with my new brush end blocks?

***lance_martz*** · 05-05-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Ahh....good call! Thats why it probably got all this crap in there...o ring seal busted out. How much is the O ring kit Lance? Can you send one to me with my new brush end blocks?

I'll gladly send you O-rings bro.
Have you pulled the bearings off the end of the motor shafts yet?
If you can do this, you should be able to use the new carbon brush assemblies without a replacement. (IE - its the same thing).

vio0633 · 05-05-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

I'll gladly send you O-rings bro.
Have you pulled the bearings off the end of the motor shafts yet?
If you can do this, you should be able to use the new carbon brush assemblies without a replacement. (IE - its the same thing).

Nah man I havent yet. I will take them over to my buddies shop this weekend to try and get them off. Dont wanna mess them up trying to get them out. He has all the tools over there to help me out.

When im checking for continuity on the commutator...should I be putting one lead on the commutator and the other to ground? Confused on where exactly to check for a reading.

***lance_martz*** · 05-06-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Nah man I havent yet. I will take them over to my buddies shop this weekend to try and get them off. Dont wanna mess them up trying to get them out. He has all the tools over there to help me out.

When im checking for continuity on the commutator...should I be putting one lead on the commutator and the other to ground? Confused on where exactly to check for a reading.

No, continuity is checking for continuous electrical conductivity. Touching a power and a ground would not show continuity. Touch a section of the commutator with one probe and a section right next to it with the other. You should see continuity all the way around the commutator.

***lance_martz*** · 05-06-2009, 02:21 PM

Frank, check your PM Box...

vio0633 · 05-06-2009, 02:34 PM

This is the exact reason I dont buy shitty ass AZ's or any other compressor people! Lance just hit me up and made everything right! No questions asked just straight up good customer service.

Yo Lance...dont know if ya like hip hop but send me your address if you want some mix CD's for free bro! Thanks again bro for everything!

blu99dime · 05-11-2009, 08:48 PM

just a bump for the best air management company, and the best customer service i have ever recieved, hands down bar none. Lance is the MAN!!!

TRinityMtrSprts · 05-12-2009, 02:00 AM

Wow haven't been on here in a while,
but this is a pleasant surprise to read about Viair.
Not sure when Lance became part of Viair, but sure wish
he was around back in 01 when I was having issues with some 550C's
on my buddy's dime, and all they did was give me the run around.
The guy I had to deal with was a tool, and refused to take a compressor
back that fried literally out of box, and never fixed the situation after
sending the unit multiple times.
Enough ranting, it's good to hear guys like Lance are bringing a good name
back to the company.

***lance_martz*** · 05-12-2009, 11:59 AM

All I can say is, I try. Working with a good company is the biggest hurdle.
VIAIR has always been a good company, that produces a quality product. This is why I stuck with them when the owner first came to introduce his product to me when I was the Editor of Mini Truckin'.
I saw a quality product back in the day, and an owner of a company (VIAIR) that saw the air suspension market as the ultimate proving grounds for 12-volt compressors. Now, some 10 years later, VIAIR is the first choice for air suspension air source, bar none.
As far as customer service, there is a reason that you go to an air suspension parts distributor to buy your parts for your builds. Why? -Because that distributor hopefully knows what you need when you do not. Back in the day, VIAIR customer service may not have fully understood your needs. Fast forward to today... I know exactly what you need, and how to help you get the most out of your hard-earned dollars spent with VIAIR. I understand that times are tough, and this company respects your decision to buy and use VIAIR products so much, that I have the ability to help anyone anytime I see a need. I attribute the level of VIAIR customer service to the owner of VIAIR who has given me the freedom to serve our valued customers.

(Trinity... I've been here since I left MT in 2005)

blu99dime · 05-12-2009, 11:06 PM

thanks for the quick update on the tracking info lance, cant wait to see two pretty chrome 480s sitting where my dingy old 450s were. Should be a whole lot faster too, and i cant wait to put that 200 psi pressure switch in!! running 145psi on a 5gallon tank is super lame. Lance you are the best!!!!!

TRinityMtrSprts · 05-13-2009, 01:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

(Trinity... I've been here since I left MT in 2005)

Well said.
Viair is definitely lucky to have you on their team.
Just wish it had been sooner

riverratt · 05-16-2009, 05:51 PM

Lance i hope you check this everynow and then still. I just bought a Viar 450c from a fella locally and i was told that it was in great condition..... But today when it showed up i found that not only was the head on backwards but the piston and the cylinder are SHOT! It also doesnt have a air filter or the chrome housing cover for the motor. I really got took on this deal

Can you direct me on where to get these parts. Aso i have a pic of the head it may have to be replaced also. Thanks for any help!

Shot with PENTAX Optio A10 at 2009-05-16

vio0633 · 05-17-2009, 02:51 PM

Lance got an issue bro. I think the brush end block you sent me was the wrong one (Or I am retarded LOL). The ones on my 450 have 2 holes on the ends to allow a long threaded bolt to go into. The one you sent me does not have them. All it has are the 4 corner allen head screw slots. Any help bro?

blu99dime · 05-18-2009, 12:28 AM

two chrome 480s installed, and SO FAST!!, i need to get another tank, but im lovin it for now, thanks so much lance, i dont know why i didnt just get these to start with.

***lance_martz*** · 05-18-2009, 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Lance got an issue bro. I think the brush end block you sent me was the wrong one (Or I am retarded LOL). The ones on my 450 have 2 holes on the ends to allow a long threaded bolt to go into. The one you sent me does not have them. All it has are the 4 corner allen head screw slots. Any help bro?

The newer style carbon brush assemblies bolt together reverse. As in, the bolts that hold the rear cover on, load from the front of the compressor. Do you have holes in the front motor cover to load the bolts? If not, I'll have to send you a different carbon brush assembly, and have you send the freebie back.

***lance_martz*** · 05-18-2009, 12:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by riverratt

Lance i hope you check this everynow and then still. I just bought a Viar 450c from a fella locally and i was told that it was in great condition..... But today when it showed up i found that not only was the head on backwards but the piston and the cylinder are SHOT! It also doesnt have a air filter or the chrome housing cover for the motor. I really got took on this deal Can you direct me on where to get these parts. Aso i have a pic of the head it may have to be replaced also. Thanks for any help!

Shot with PENTAX Optio A10 at 2009-05-16

At first glance, I'd say you need to replace:

Cylinder Wall - (P/N RP091))
Saddle Plate - (P/N RP022)
Piston Assembly (older style - P/N RK160)

If the head was put on incorrectly, you're lucky that the output shaft didn't snap off. Before you spend any more money on the compressor - remove the piston assembly and check the output shaft to be sure is straight/true. If it is bent AT ALL, do not use this compressor. It will eat any parts you replace very quickly and is only a matter of time before the output shaft fails.

riverratt · 05-18-2009, 12:04 PM

Thanks i will finish tearing it on down

riverratt · 05-18-2009, 12:55 PM

ok this is kinda bad any suggestions on how th get the small set screw out of the counterwieght? I just mananged to break it

***lance_martz*** · 05-18-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by riverratt

ok this is kinda bad any suggestions on how th get the small set screw out of the counterwieght? I just mananged to break it

If the head is stripped, you will have no choice but to drill it out - all the way down to the output shaft. Be sure to use a cutting oil on your drill bit to keep from killing the bit.

The set screw is loctited in place, so we usually advise the use of heat to weaken the loctite before you try to remove the set screw. Did you use a 3 mm Allen wrench? (I believe that's the size needed for the set screw).

riverratt · 05-18-2009, 01:45 PM

yeah it is a 3 mm i tried heating it i gues i just didnt do it long enough thanks

Lowobsessions · 05-18-2009, 01:52 PM

Lance I'm blowin your pm box up again.

***lance_martz*** · 05-18-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Lowobsessions

Lance I'm blowin your pm box up again.

You got it mang...

Lowobsessions · 05-18-2009, 04:59 PM

Its a shame that every company cant have a Lance working for them

vio0633 · 05-19-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

The newer style carbon brush assemblies bolt together reverse. As in, the bolts that hold the rear cover on, load from the front of the compressor. Do you have holes in the front motor cover to load the bolts? If not, I'll have to send you a different carbon brush assembly, and have you send the freebie back.

No...both the bolts load up from the end block to the front of the compressor. Damn...so I need to send this one back to you then?

***lance_martz*** · 05-20-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

No...both the bolts load up from the end block to the front of the compressor. Damn...so I need to send this one back to you then?

Its a $50 part... I'd like to not throw it away if I can help it.

vio0633 · 05-21-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz

Its a $50 part... I'd like to not throw it away if I can help it.

Nah bro...I would def not throw this away. What would you like me to do lance...send this back to you? Send me a PM and I will return it no problems. Is there anyway you can hook me up with 2 of these? I got 2 of the wrong ones sent out to me bro.

***lance_martz*** · 05-21-2009, 06:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Nah bro...I would def not throw this away. What would you like me to do lance...send this back to you? Send me a PM and I will return it no problems. Is there anyway you can hook me up with 2 of these? I got 2 of the wrong ones sent out to me bro.

No matter what, I'll make it right.

vio0633 · 05-21-2009, 10:22 PM

Sent you a PM Lance. Been mad busy here sorry. I finally got my promotion to E6 in the Navy after 5 years. Anyhow...im going to send you both parts that dont work bro. Please make this right for me! I will PM you my phone number as well if you have any questions prior to shipping me the new parts.

Purplepimp · 05-21-2009, 11:02 PM

Dude Viair and Lance both suck!

JP Lance

Really tho now that I'm thinking back I have gotten the best customer service from Lance since I started working on my truck.

I'm still amazed at those little 450s on my 5gal. They are little troopers.

Just to check, I had to get creative with my air filter on my passenger side, think any issue will arise?

05-04-2009, 01:33 PM	#51
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Lance...here is a pict of what I think maybe causing the end block not to go on properly. This bearing on the end of the motor...its not supposed to be attached to it is it? There looks to be one on the new brush end you sent me. Damn, you were sent the wrong carbon brush assembly. You have an older style motor. The newer ones have a bearing in the rear cover. You can either send it back, or sell it to someone who needs it - but you'll need a different assembly to work with your motor I'm afraid.
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05-04-2009, 01:37 PM	#52
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Lance...what about the intake valve you sent off to me? How can I replace it? It goes on top of the piston... Remove the screw, swap the intake valve and replace the screw. Use some blue loctite on the screw thread. You may want to shape the intake valve slightly if it does not lay completely flat against the top of the piston.
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05-04-2009, 04:38 PM	#53
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Shit...alright so how much is the right end block for me? Yes the compressors are old...but they ran great for years and would like to get them up to par again!
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05-04-2009, 05:50 PM	#54
OneLowSdime I SHIT BRICKS Age: 21 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,098 Location: Oshkosh WI 54901 User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! LANCE!!!!!! got it!
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05-04-2009, 05:58 PM	#55
Chevy98 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 279 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! i got 2 480's on a 5 gallon tank and i love themm gettin bigger tank tho i play with my switches to much lol
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05-04-2009, 07:31 PM	#56
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Shit...alright so how much is the right end block for me? Yes the compressors are old...but they ran great for years and would like to get them up to par again! Refresh my memory, send me your address - I'll make it right. Quote: Originally Posted by OneLowSdime LANCE!!!!!! got it! Damn, that was fast! lol
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05-04-2009, 07:37 PM	#57
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz Refresh my memory, send me your address - I'll make it right. Damn, that was fast! lol Your the man Lance! Im sending a PM to you right now. Is there anyway I can tell if my comps are the older style or new? I got these rebuild kits for 2 450's and want to make sure they work ok. I know the leader hoses are good (1/4" NPT) but will the intake valve rebuilt parts I bought work? The part number is RK199. Says its good for 450C/450H,460C.
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05-04-2009, 07:45 PM	#58
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Your the man Lance! Im sending a PM to you right now. Is there anyway I can tell if my comps are the older style or new? I got these rebuild kits for 2 450's and want to make sure they work ok. I know the leader hoses are good (1/4" NPT) but will the intake valve rebuilt parts I bought work? The part number is RK199. Says its good for 450C/450H,460C. If you have a bearing on the tail shaft of the motor, then it is an "older" style 450C. Newer style 450Cs have them in the rear cover. The intake valves and leader hoses are transferable, so no worries there.
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05-04-2009, 07:53 PM	#59
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Ok....I will open up the other one and see whats up. No rush lance...im doing a SFBD on my ride so its going to be a little before it hits the streets again.
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05-04-2009, 08:00 PM	#60
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Here are the picts of the other compressor. Looks to be the old style as well. Take a look at the end block...Look bad to ya? LOL!!
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05-04-2009, 08:05 PM	#61
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Bro-ham, do a continuity test on those commutators before you take another step. They're awfully rusty, and you may have some problems going on with the motor... Would hate to see you spend time on something that may be wasted or nearly wasted.
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05-04-2009, 08:16 PM	#62
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Also, if you feel comfortable with it, you can remove the tail shaft bearings and just use the newer style rear cover. Can you get a photo of it so I can check to be sure which side the armature bolts load from?
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05-04-2009, 08:17 PM	#63
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! I was thinking the same thing too bro. Is their anyway I can take the casing out with the magnet and brush the case off of all the rust with a wirewheel or anything? What ohm reading should I get between the 2 commutator ends? .2 ohms? Thanks for the help man! Last edited by vio0633 : 05-04-2009 at 08:18 PM.
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05-05-2009, 11:49 AM	#64
JollyGreenMini Still 2 High Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7,441 Location: Brockway, PA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly. They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring. So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be?
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05-05-2009, 11:53 AM	#65
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! If you read anything, you are good. You're just looking for continuity. If you have the rear cover off - just pull the motor housing clear of the motor. There's nothing else holding it in place besides the magnets. Be careful not to slam your fingers when you put it back together.... that can suck large.
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05-05-2009, 11:55 AM	#66
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by JollyGreenMini I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly. They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring. So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be? Have you looked at the leader hose? If the check valve is slightly stuck it may cause the spike of amperage on intial start up. Maybe Lance can help ya out!
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05-05-2009, 11:58 AM	#67
JollyGreenMini Still 2 High Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7,441 Location: Brockway, PA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Have you looked at the leader hose? If the check valve is slightly stuck it may cause the spike of amperage on intial start up. Maybe Lance can help ya out! They are new leader hoses, I replace those last year.
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05-05-2009, 12:06 PM	#68
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Lance...here are some picts of the motor housing assembly's. I will read out the resistance levels of the commutator for ya today.
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05-05-2009, 01:02 PM	#69
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Gently wire brush the commutator and external surfaces of the motor in photo #1. #2 looks as clean as its going to get. If you rebuild, you need a new O-ring kit for the pump, or you need to remote mount your air filter. Too much moisture is getting into the motor compartment.
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05-05-2009, 01:04 PM	#70
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by JollyGreenMini I'm glad I came across this thread, i've been having issues with my 380's latly. They started blowing fuses last summer, I wired in multiple different style fuses to no avail. Eventually I replaced all the wiring that even involved the compressors, found a couple burnt spots and figured all my problems were solved... Untill about a week ago they started blowing the fuse again. It's a 40-amp blade style fuse with all new heavy gauge (8) wiring. So i'm starting to think my 4 or 5 year old 380's are crapping out on me and pulling way to many amps. I haven't had a chance to take them apart yet and see what the winding's look like yet, but does that sound like where my problem might be? I'll bet that the cylinder walls are scratched and that your piston seals are failing, albeit slowly. Do a tear down and inspect them. If they still run, they can usually be rebuilt.
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05-05-2009, 01:10 PM	#71
JollyGreenMini Still 2 High Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7,441 Location: Brockway, PA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz I'll bet that the cylinder walls are scratched and that your piston seals are failing, albeit slowly. Do a tear down and inspect them. If they still run, they can usually be rebuilt. They still run fantastic, and I beat the hell out of them. 2 380's on a 12 gallon tank that runs 180 psi. I was assuming the problem was going to be in the windings, i'll have to take them off the truck and tear into em and see what's wrong.
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05-05-2009, 04:17 PM	#72
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz Gently wire brush the commutator and external surfaces of the motor in photo #1. #2 looks as clean as its going to get. If you rebuild, you need a new O-ring kit for the pump, or you need to remote mount your air filter. Too much moisture is getting into the motor compartment. Ahh....good call! Thats why it probably got all this crap in there...o ring seal busted out. How much is the O ring kit Lance? Can you send one to me with my new brush end blocks?
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05-05-2009, 07:13 PM	#73
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Ahh....good call! Thats why it probably got all this crap in there...o ring seal busted out. How much is the O ring kit Lance? Can you send one to me with my new brush end blocks? I'll gladly send you O-rings bro. Have you pulled the bearings off the end of the motor shafts yet? If you can do this, you should be able to use the new carbon brush assemblies without a replacement. (IE - its the same thing).
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05-05-2009, 11:14 PM	#74
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz I'll gladly send you O-rings bro. Have you pulled the bearings off the end of the motor shafts yet? If you can do this, you should be able to use the new carbon brush assemblies without a replacement. (IE - its the same thing). Nah man I havent yet. I will take them over to my buddies shop this weekend to try and get them off. Dont wanna mess them up trying to get them out. He has all the tools over there to help me out. When im checking for continuity on the commutator...should I be putting one lead on the commutator and the other to ground? Confused on where exactly to check for a reading.
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05-06-2009, 11:42 AM	#75
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Nah man I havent yet. I will take them over to my buddies shop this weekend to try and get them off. Dont wanna mess them up trying to get them out. He has all the tools over there to help me out. When im checking for continuity on the commutator...should I be putting one lead on the commutator and the other to ground? Confused on where exactly to check for a reading. No, continuity is checking for continuous electrical conductivity. Touching a power and a ground would not show continuity. Touch a section of the commutator with one probe and a section right next to it with the other. You should see continuity all the way around the commutator.
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05-06-2009, 02:21 PM	#76
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Frank, check your PM Box...
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05-06-2009, 02:34 PM	#77
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! This is the exact reason I dont buy shitty ass AZ's or any other compressor people! Lance just hit me up and made everything right! No questions asked just straight up good customer service. Yo Lance...dont know if ya like hip hop but send me your address if you want some mix CD's for free bro! Thanks again bro for everything!
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05-11-2009, 08:48 PM	#78
blu99dime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 182 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! just a bump for the best air management company, and the best customer service i have ever recieved, hands down bar none. Lance is the MAN!!!
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05-12-2009, 02:00 AM	#79
TRinityMtrSprts Resurected Age: 27 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Location: Torrance, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Wow haven't been on here in a while, but this is a pleasant surprise to read about Viair. Not sure when Lance became part of Viair, but sure wish he was around back in 01 when I was having issues with some 550C's on my buddy's dime, and all they did was give me the run around. The guy I had to deal with was a tool, and refused to take a compressor back that fried literally out of box, and never fixed the situation after sending the unit multiple times. Enough ranting, it's good to hear guys like Lance are bringing a good name back to the company.
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05-12-2009, 11:59 AM	#80
*lance_martz* VIAIR Corp Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,312 Location: South Orange County, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! All I can say is, I try. Working with a good company is the biggest hurdle. VIAIR has always been a good company, that produces a quality product. This is why I stuck with them when the owner first came to introduce his product to me when I was the Editor of Mini Truckin'. I saw a quality product back in the day, and an owner of a company (VIAIR) that saw the air suspension market as the ultimate proving grounds for 12-volt compressors. Now, some 10 years later, VIAIR is the first choice for air suspension air source, bar none. As far as customer service, there is a reason that you go to an air suspension parts distributor to buy your parts for your builds. Why? -Because that distributor hopefully knows what you need when you do not. Back in the day, VIAIR customer service may not have fully understood your needs. Fast forward to today... I know exactly what you need, and how to help you get the most out of your hard-earned dollars spent with VIAIR. I understand that times are tough, and this company respects your decision to buy and use VIAIR products so much, that I have the ability to help anyone anytime I see a need. I attribute the level of VIAIR customer service to the owner of VIAIR who has given me the freedom to serve our valued customers. (Trinity... I've been here since I left MT in 2005)
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05-12-2009, 11:06 PM	#81
blu99dime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 182 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! thanks for the quick update on the tracking info lance, cant wait to see two pretty chrome 480s sitting where my dingy old 450s were. Should be a whole lot faster too, and i cant wait to put that 200 psi pressure switch in!! running 145psi on a 5gallon tank is super lame. Lance you are the best!!!!!
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05-13-2009, 01:57 AM	#82
TRinityMtrSprts Resurected Age: 27 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 308 Location: Torrance, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Quote: Originally Posted by lance_martz (Trinity... I've been here since I left MT in 2005) Well said. Viair is definitely lucky to have you on their team. Just wish it had been sooner
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05-16-2009, 05:51 PM	#83
riverratt Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Frances Ky User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Lance i hope you check this everynow and then still. I just bought a Viar 450c from a fella locally and i was told that it was in great condition..... But today when it showed up i found that not only was the head on backwards but the piston and the cylinder are SHOT! It also doesnt have a air filter or the chrome housing cover for the motor. I really got took on this deal Can you direct me on where to get these parts. Aso i have a pic of the head it may have to be replaced also. Thanks for any help! Shot with PENTAX Optio A10 at 2009-05-16
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05-17-2009, 02:51 PM	#84
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! Lance got an issue bro. I think the brush end block you sent me was the wrong one (Or I am retarded LOL). The ones on my 450 have 2 holes on the ends to allow a long threaded bolt to go into. The one you sent me does not have them. All it has are the 4 corner allen head screw slots. Any help bro?
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05-18-2009, 12:28 AM	#85
blu99dime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 182 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Viair Is Awesome!!! two chrome 480s installed, and SO FAST!!, i need to get another tank, but im lovin it for now, thanks so much lance, i dont know why i didnt just get these to start with.
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