My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 04:03 PM

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It's been a long time coming, but I finally got a call for big drop spindles for the S-10. They actually use Blazer Extreme hubs, rotors and calipers, but the geometry is the same. I am also building arms to complete the package. This set up should allow you to lay on an obscene 30" tall tire and provide 12" or more of lift.

Almost done:

kzeliminator · 03-01-2009, 04:09 PM

sweet bigger rims

JoPre · 03-01-2009, 04:14 PM

um crazy... are these gunna be for sale?

twistedxknights · 03-01-2009, 04:17 PM

30's on a dime that would be sic .. especially if it still layed out.

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 04:19 PM

Ya, they are Uniball drop spindles. Shoot him an email:
biokustumz@hotmail.com

dtilley86 · 03-01-2009, 04:21 PM

how are s10 arms going to bolt to that

ßɭĬƮƵ · 03-01-2009, 04:22 PM

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The knuckles bythemselves will sell for $1500 with upper uni-balls and the lower can be either a uni-ball or a heim with a bung and jamb nut
Or the complete A-arm and knuckle kit will be around $2500 depending on if the arms are tubular or sheet metal.

e3mcgrath · 03-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by twistedxknights

30's on a dime that would be sic .. especially if it still layed out.

30" overall tire size

DROPTSBLAZE · 03-01-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dtilley86

how are s10 arms going to bolt to that

You'd have to make custom arms to accompany them.

JoPre · 03-01-2009, 04:29 PM

haha i was gunna say " you have to include the tire in that diameter"

...and he says hes making arms to go with them

littlelow94dime · 03-01-2009, 04:48 PM

2500...ouch.

IRSd_mini · 03-01-2009, 06:29 PM

Max builds awesome stuff. But it is not cheap. But it will be right and do everything he claims it will.

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 06:51 PM

looks like a tig welded leaf spring shackle with a hub on the back side.

he does some awesome work, but 30" tires laid out? that's just pushin it a little too far IMO.

a little more cutting and i can lay out on 29" tall tires with stock arms and still clear the fenders aired up. I'm sittin on 28.5" tires and clear the fenders by 1" right now. It just gets old though, because with larger diameter comes more width in the wheels/tires. And with that shit no matter what you do your turning radius sucks even when aired all the way up and there's not really anything you can do about it.

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 06:58 PM

Am I the only one wondering why on these? I don't know about a second gen but my first gen Jimmy lays frame with a 29" tall tire on stock spindles and unmodified tubular control arms. Nothing is binding, with 2" drop spindles I can easily lay 31" tires (but couldn't run a hood because of the bodydrop)

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 07:04 PM

show me the BD jimmy with 29" tires man if you're runnin them. My tires come through the hood on my '86 by nearly 2"

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 07:07 PM

Ask and thow shalt recieve. Give min a min to go snap some. I am in the middle of the BD now. I am laying rocker and 29" tires just kiss the hood.

thacru78 · 03-01-2009, 07:17 PM

Max does do some sick work....Another advantage to these spindles is the lift...it's almost limitless. There's no way for the upper or lower BJ to bind....onlything limiting you will be the bag itself....mount it far under the frame and you could easily get 15+ inches of travel. Also depends on what he uses for a tie rod end.....I wanna build a set like that for my Dodge but it's just not worth it right now....I clear my 24's by an inch and have more than plenty of room for turning as I can turn lock to lock a coulpe inches off the ground. Max does do sick work though...

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 07:28 PM

Pics are uploading now. I can't find my cable for my digital so they were taken on my blackberry, I have no clue how good they will look.

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 07:29 PM

Wow, tough crowd....

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 07:34 PM

Man, I am not knocking your work or your products. I fab almost all my own parts, I know what goes into these things. All trucks are not built alike, everyone has their own outlook on what the finished truck will be, and how to get it there.

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 07:38 PM

And here we go. Pics don't look that bad. Keep in mind, I am working on it right now so my garage is filthy. Tires are 235/75-15, 28.9" tall. Stock spindles.

1sikPuP · 03-01-2009, 07:40 PM

max is my hero.

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 07:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4

Man, I am not knocking your work or your products. I fab almost all my own parts, I know what goes into these things. All trucks are not built alike, everyone has their own outlook on what the finished truck will be, and how to get it there.

Hahaha, not my work... Just my spindles. I posted this on here just to share some badass work.

TrYiN2LaYaDiMe · 03-01-2009, 07:41 PM

damn another 4 door bodydrop lol.

ill be running a 22 on my blazer 255/35/22 i might even drop to a 255/30/22 and try my hardest to keep a stock hood

that spindle looks good but i gotta see the arms with it

Terracoma · 03-01-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4

Am I the only one wondering why on these?

From what I was told, Max isn't satisfied with the geometry provided by modified-stock arms or aftermarket tubular arms (and also within the stock steering equipment) for a truck running a tall wheel/tire combo.

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 07:46 PM

with that much camber on that blazer you'd have to air it all the way up to drive it without eating the tires up quicker than the dollar menu

here's a 29" tire laid out, nearly tucks a lug, and hangs out of the fender about 2". when aired up 2" i have 2 degrees of camber and it tracks straight as an arrow

i'd never use stock spindles on something laid out with wheels that big

purplepassion · 03-01-2009, 07:50 PM

i dont get it

you can lay out on 22's with 2" drop spindles. why would you wanna run anything bigger than that on a minitruck? yea, i know about the truck little shop did on the 24's, but that is pushing it. the hood is trimmed on that one, and it's only laying frame. but still, it's on 2" drop spindles.

why would you need these?

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 07:50 PM

not trying to start some shit but you should really get some drop spindles on that thing if you want to drive it and have it perform well without having to ride sky high all the time

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 07:54 PM

Laid out, camber is 16 degrees. In order to bring it to 3 degrees my ride hight will be 5 inches off the deck. I have drop spindles and I might end up running them, I like to ride low, but I will jump off that bridge when I get there. My goal right now is 255/35-22's, RE8s up front, RE7s in the rear, bag on bar, bodydrop, and keep the rear seat in the factory location. So far I have all bases covered.

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 07:59 PM

good luck with it man, i'm runnin 255/30/22 and there's no way they'll fit under the hood

Twisted Minis · 03-01-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by purplepassion

i dont get it

you can lay out on 22's with 2" drop spindles. why would you wanna run anything bigger than that on a minitruck? yea, i know about the truck little shop did on the 24's, but that is pushing it. the hood is trimmed on that one, and it's only laying frame. but still, it's on 2" drop spindles.

why would you need these?

Because the geometry will be correct, your lift will not be limited by anything but a bag or shocks, on big wheels you will have much less camber. Excessive camber is a result of the suspension being pushed past it's designed limits. These will bring that back on big wheels, it will reduce your toe change, and help with the S10's notorious bump steer. Plus, you have a one off spindle, and you can brag to all your friend how cool you are.

Someone recently asked me about doing an S10 on 24s, and this was the first thing I thought of. I toyed with this idea recently when asked about it. I said the only way I would build S10 arms is if I also built spindles with vertical mounted uni-balls, and I wanted to build a custom drag link and tie rods to help. I had a feeling I would receive a response much the same as the one in this thread. No one wants to spend $3k on their front suspension when they can do it for less than half and achieve "acceptable" results. I am starting to believe minitrucks are not a good market to try to push the envelope anymore, because of threads like this.

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 08:05 PM

A 255/35-22 is the exact same size as whats on mine now, clears no problem. I figured you were doored but your not. I don't know why ours would differ that much.

purplepassion · 03-01-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Twisted Minis

Because the geometry will be correct, your lift will not be limited by anything but a bag or shocks, on big wheels you will have much less camber. Excessive camber is a result of the suspension being pushed past it's designed limits. These will bring that back on big wheels, it will reduce your toe change, and help with the S10's notorious bump steer. Plus, you have a one off spindle, and you can brag to all your friend how cool you are.

i guess that makes sense

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 08:29 PM

In a way it does, but the only way to correctly put the front suspension in an ideal range of motion on a lowered truck is to make new arms, spindles, AND reposition the upper and lower control arm mounts on the frame.

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Twisted Minis

Someone recently asked me about doing an S10 on 24s, and this was the first thing I thought of. I toyed with this idea recently when asked about it. I said the only way I would build S10 arms is if I also built spindles with vertical mounted uni-balls, and I wanted to build a custom drag link and tie rods to help. I had a feeling I would receive a response much the same as the one in this thread. No one wants to spend $3k on their front suspension when they can do it for less than half and achieve "acceptable" results. I am starting to believe minitrucks are not a good market to try to push the envelope anymore, because of threads like this.

Why did I get them built??? Why not! If knowone was pushing the envolope, we would all still be running air shocks and ball valves on all 4 corners...

TwistedMinis, your last two lines summed it all up for me...

Twisted Minis · 03-01-2009, 08:36 PM

Thanks Low S-10. People like you still give me hope for the things I want to do in the future.

Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4

In a way it does, but the only way to correctly put the front suspension in an ideal range of motion on a lowered truck is to make new arms, spindles, AND reposition the upper and lower control arm mounts on the frame.

Not necessarily. Unless you really know what you are doing it's best to leave the stock suspension design alone, because you can make things much worse. The best source of lowering is always spindles first. The more drop a spindle can achieve, the lower you can go without issues. Your ride height is where this all needs to be taken into account, and if you can keep your lower arms level or close to it at this height, you are in good shape. And when I saw level, I meant the imaginary line from the center of your bushings to the center of your ball joint pivots, not the actual shape of the arm.

LOW S-10 · 03-01-2009, 08:58 PM

I want to build something different... Let's face it, I could have gone to Suicide Doors and spent $1000 and been set. There's nothing wrong with that. It works! But I'm building this truck to be a little different. Granted, it is an S10 lol, but it's mine!!!

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 09:01 PM

Pushing the envelope is what this lifestyle is all about. I understand how suspension systems work but unfortunatly when trying to lay the frame on the ground and keep perfect suspension geometry at the same time it is not going to happen.

I give credit to anyone taking steps to keep the custom aspect in "custom motorsports" There are entirely too many companies out there just making things easy to do.

To each is own. If you want to bolt it on, bolt it on. If you want to fab it yourself then feel free. But to spend 2500 on a front suspension just to get 1.5" lower is beyond me.

***AVTekk*** · 03-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Demotte4x4, Im not trying to be a dick but you will get a rude awakening when you actually have a 255/25-22 on there! a tire that size tipped 13° will easily be 2" taller than its original diameter due to the fact that its much more squared off than the tire you have now.

As for the real topic of this thread, they are a very nice product and a good idea but certainly not practical for the everyday minitrucker. However the everyday minitrucker wouldnt be running a 30" tall tire anyway

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-01-2009, 10:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4

A 255/35-22 is the exact same size as whats on mine now, clears no problem. I figured you were doored but your not. I don't know why ours would differ that much.

yours may be the same diameter as mine, but there's a big difference when you factor in my wheels are 9.5" wide and also my camber when laid out is 5 degrees

those baloon tires you have on there will squish down a shitload more than mine with a sidewall like 2.5" tall

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 10:04 PM

Believe me, I know that's coming. I have a little bit of room to spare now but with the drop spindles I think I will clear. Not that it matters right now anyway, my motor sticks above the hood three inches. Hell, the ac pump is over the hood line.

Twisted Minis · 03-01-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4

Pushing the envelope is what this lifestyle is all about. I understand how suspension systems work but unfortunatly when trying to lay the frame on the ground and keep perfect suspension geometry at the same time it is not going to happen.

I would have to disagree with this. I think the S10 suspension is a poor platform to try to achieve this with however. I am currently building a full frame, spindles and all, from scratch. It will lay frame, and have good geometry throughout all of it's travel.

For stock suspension, 84-95 Toyota suspension is a good starting point. Drop spindles and control arms on 18s and you have great geometry throughout travel. Any bigger wheel wise, well I have ideas on a spindle for that, but I am unsure I will proceed with it.

BlackEsDime · 03-01-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AVTekk

Demotte4x4, Im not trying to be a dick but you will get a rude awakening when you actually have a 255/25-22 on there! a tire that size tipped 13° will easily be 2" taller than its original diameter due to the fact that its much more squared off than the tire you have now.

As for the real topic of this thread, they are a very nice product and a good idea but certainly not practical for the everyday minitrucker. However the everyday minitrucker wouldnt be running a 30" tall tire anyway

oh yeah... so true.

stock spindle, 255/35/20

Demotte4x4 · 03-01-2009, 10:25 PM

I love the camber man, looks good. That's a damn good fit there. Keeping stock spindles on it?

stkflrd73 · 03-01-2009, 11:33 PM

my silverado has all stock suspension on a 24 with a healthy tire and its cambers alotttttt
i have driven the truck and it seems fine when aired up

(seth gave some ideas on the steering) which i re did with rod ends so it doesnt bind anymore

but i do plan on redoing the arms for less camber sometime this summer ...

Twisted Minis · 03-01-2009, 11:50 PM

That's right, what did you end up doing for steering to get it all to work?

stkflrd73 · 03-02-2009, 12:43 AM

i put stock spindles back on (fter i cut a set up trying to do something i wasnt understanding in the first place)

removed the stock tie rods from the rack and just built my own with rodends on both sides everything in the stock location just no binding ...

Crazygenius13 · 03-02-2009, 12:54 AM

What Max has told me is that with this front setup drivability will ultimately be much better on a larger diameter wheel. Driving on a 22 will be so much nicer than the changed geometry of any other tubular arm, and the larger dropped spindle will do exactly what everyone has said already. I'm excited to get a set, since I will be on 22's laying frame, and will be driving it to long distance shows and around town as a daily driver.

I don't want to put my 22's on, say "Damn that looks good! But I hate the way it drives now" I put my faith in Max, and will be one of the 1st people to have a suspension like this, so if it works amazing... cool! If it doesn't deliver, oh well... lesson learned by Me for You. I have no doubts that Max will pull through though, and have another quality product designed the RIGHT way.

thacru78 · 03-02-2009, 08:11 PM

Many people are saying they don't see the point in paying that much $$$ for a set of spindles....just imagine driving your Bodied S10 on 22's....2 inches off the ground to a show several hours away....during that ride there is no horrible bumpsteer....there is no abnormal tire wear....and you don't have to lift to change lanes....how nice would that be. Take it from someone who experiences that everyday....it's worth every penny you would spend on them spindles. I don't think Max would go through the trouble of making them unless they were a huge improvement over what is currently on the market.....Yo Seth yall still making it to Tex Mex

sadexcuse4s10 · 03-02-2009, 08:24 PM

you can do that with 2" drop spindles, you don't need 3 1/2" or anything special like that

i used to do that with my s10 bodied on 22's. It will switch lanes on the highway lifted a few inches with 2" spindles and stock arms

03-01-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: It's been a long time coming, but I finally got a call for big drop spindles for the S-10. They actually use Blazer Extreme hubs, rotors and calipers, but the geometry is the same. I am also building arms to complete the package. This set up should allow you to lay on an obscene 30" tall tire and provide 12" or more of lift. Almost done: Last edited by droppedss : 07-16-2009 at 08:27 AM.
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03-01-2009, 04:09 PM	#2
kzeliminator KZELIMINATOR Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,015 Location: CHICAGO User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension sweet bigger rims
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03-01-2009, 04:14 PM	#3
JoPre umm yea Age: 23 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,186 Location: Brooklyn, MD User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension um crazy... are these gunna be for sale?
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03-01-2009, 04:17 PM	#4
twistedxknights Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 302 Location: Makakilo , Hawaii User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension 30's on a dime that would be sic .. especially if it still layed out.
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03-01-2009, 04:19 PM	#5
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Ya, they are Uniball drop spindles. Shoot him an email: biokustumz@hotmail.com
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03-01-2009, 04:21 PM	#6
dtilley86 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 346 Location: iowa User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension how are s10 arms going to bolt to that
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ßɭĬƮƵ ♠ Camber'd ♠ Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,826 Location: Dublin ♠ Ca User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: The knuckles bythemselves will sell for $1500 with upper uni-balls and the lower can be either a uni-ball or a heim with a bung and jamb nut Or the complete A-arm and knuckle kit will be around $2500 depending on if the arms are tubular or sheet metal.
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03-01-2009, 04:22 PM	#8
e3mcgrath OBS FSC Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,458 Location: Camby, IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by twistedxknights 30's on a dime that would be sic .. especially if it still layed out. 30" overall tire size
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03-01-2009, 04:29 PM	#9
DROPTSBLAZE S - I - C Age: 28 Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,377 Location: Evergreen State User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by dtilley86 how are s10 arms going to bolt to that You'd have to make custom arms to accompany them.
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03-01-2009, 04:48 PM	#11
littlelow94dime stock sucks Age: 21 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 584 Location: North Carolina User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension 2500...ouch.
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03-01-2009, 06:29 PM	#12
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,183 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Max builds awesome stuff. But it is not cheap. But it will be right and do everything he claims it will.
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03-01-2009, 06:51 PM	#13
sadexcuse4s10 Hoods are overrated Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,518 Location: Lexington, NC User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension looks like a tig welded leaf spring shackle with a hub on the back side. he does some awesome work, but 30" tires laid out? that's just pushin it a little too far IMO. a little more cutting and i can lay out on 29" tall tires with stock arms and still clear the fenders aired up. I'm sittin on 28.5" tires and clear the fenders by 1" right now. It just gets old though, because with larger diameter comes more width in the wheels/tires. And with that shit no matter what you do your turning radius sucks even when aired all the way up and there's not really anything you can do about it. Last edited by sadexcuse4s10 : 03-01-2009 at 06:56 PM.
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03-01-2009, 06:58 PM	#14
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Am I the only one wondering why on these? I don't know about a second gen but my first gen Jimmy lays frame with a 29" tall tire on stock spindles and unmodified tubular control arms. Nothing is binding, with 2" drop spindles I can easily lay 31" tires (but couldn't run a hood because of the bodydrop)
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03-01-2009, 07:04 PM	#15
sadexcuse4s10 Hoods are overrated Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,518 Location: Lexington, NC User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension show me the BD jimmy with 29" tires man if you're runnin them. My tires come through the hood on my '86 by nearly 2"
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03-01-2009, 07:07 PM	#16
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Ask and thow shalt recieve. Give min a min to go snap some. I am in the middle of the BD now. I am laying rocker and 29" tires just kiss the hood.
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03-01-2009, 07:17 PM	#17
thacru78 Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 75 Location: Drag By Customs, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Max does do some sick work....Another advantage to these spindles is the lift...it's almost limitless. There's no way for the upper or lower BJ to bind....onlything limiting you will be the bag itself....mount it far under the frame and you could easily get 15+ inches of travel. Also depends on what he uses for a tie rod end.....I wanna build a set like that for my Dodge but it's just not worth it right now....I clear my 24's by an inch and have more than plenty of room for turning as I can turn lock to lock a coulpe inches off the ground. Max does do sick work though...
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03-01-2009, 07:28 PM	#18
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Pics are uploading now. I can't find my cable for my digital so they were taken on my blackberry, I have no clue how good they will look.
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03-01-2009, 07:29 PM	#19
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Wow, tough crowd....
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03-01-2009, 07:34 PM	#20
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Man, I am not knocking your work or your products. I fab almost all my own parts, I know what goes into these things. All trucks are not built alike, everyone has their own outlook on what the finished truck will be, and how to get it there.
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03-01-2009, 07:38 PM	#21
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension And here we go. Pics don't look that bad. Keep in mind, I am working on it right now so my garage is filthy. Tires are 235/75-15, 28.9" tall. Stock spindles.
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03-01-2009, 07:40 PM	#22
1sikPuP sick & twisted Age: 23 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 677 Location: south of pittsburgh User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension max is my hero.
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03-01-2009, 07:41 PM	#23
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4 Man, I am not knocking your work or your products. I fab almost all my own parts, I know what goes into these things. All trucks are not built alike, everyone has their own outlook on what the finished truck will be, and how to get it there. Hahaha, not my work... Just my spindles. I posted this on here just to share some badass work.
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03-01-2009, 07:41 PM	#24
TrYiN2LaYaDiMe SFBD 4 door Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,768 Location: Columbia, Tenakey Location: Tupelo, Ms User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension damn another 4 door bodydrop lol. ill be running a 22 on my blazer 255/35/22 i might even drop to a 255/30/22 and try my hardest to keep a stock hood that spindle looks good but i gotta see the arms with it
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03-01-2009, 07:44 PM	#25
Terracoma Registered Adventurer Age: 22 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,840 Location: Socorro, NM User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4 Am I the only one wondering why on these? From what I was told, Max isn't satisfied with the geometry provided by modified-stock arms or aftermarket tubular arms (and also within the stock steering equipment) for a truck running a tall wheel/tire combo.
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03-01-2009, 07:46 PM	#26
sadexcuse4s10 Hoods are overrated Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,518 Location: Lexington, NC User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension with that much camber on that blazer you'd have to air it all the way up to drive it without eating the tires up quicker than the dollar menu here's a 29" tire laid out, nearly tucks a lug, and hangs out of the fender about 2". when aired up 2" i have 2 degrees of camber and it tracks straight as an arrow i'd never use stock spindles on something laid out with wheels that big Last edited by sadexcuse4s10 : 03-01-2009 at 07:49 PM.
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03-01-2009, 07:50 PM	#27
purplepassion blazer is dunnnnnnnnn! Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10,623 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension i dont get it you can lay out on 22's with 2" drop spindles. why would you wanna run anything bigger than that on a minitruck? yea, i know about the truck little shop did on the 24's, but that is pushing it. the hood is trimmed on that one, and it's only laying frame. but still, it's on 2" drop spindles. why would you need these?
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03-01-2009, 07:54 PM	#29
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Laid out, camber is 16 degrees. In order to bring it to 3 degrees my ride hight will be 5 inches off the deck. I have drop spindles and I might end up running them, I like to ride low, but I will jump off that bridge when I get there. My goal right now is 255/35-22's, RE8s up front, RE7s in the rear, bag on bar, bodydrop, and keep the rear seat in the factory location. So far I have all bases covered.
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03-01-2009, 07:59 PM	#30
sadexcuse4s10 Hoods are overrated Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,518 Location: Lexington, NC User is: Online	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension good luck with it man, i'm runnin 255/30/22 and there's no way they'll fit under the hood
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03-01-2009, 08:02 PM	#31
Twisted Minis Bob Saget bitch! Age: 21 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,405 Location: Windsor, CA User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by purplepassion i dont get it you can lay out on 22's with 2" drop spindles. why would you wanna run anything bigger than that on a minitruck? yea, i know about the truck little shop did on the 24's, but that is pushing it. the hood is trimmed on that one, and it's only laying frame. but still, it's on 2" drop spindles. why would you need these? Because the geometry will be correct, your lift will not be limited by anything but a bag or shocks, on big wheels you will have much less camber. Excessive camber is a result of the suspension being pushed past it's designed limits. These will bring that back on big wheels, it will reduce your toe change, and help with the S10's notorious bump steer. Plus, you have a one off spindle, and you can brag to all your friend how cool you are. Someone recently asked me about doing an S10 on 24s, and this was the first thing I thought of. I toyed with this idea recently when asked about it. I said the only way I would build S10 arms is if I also built spindles with vertical mounted uni-balls, and I wanted to build a custom drag link and tie rods to help. I had a feeling I would receive a response much the same as the one in this thread. No one wants to spend $3k on their front suspension when they can do it for less than half and achieve "acceptable" results. I am starting to believe minitrucks are not a good market to try to push the envelope anymore, because of threads like this. Last edited by Twisted Minis : 03-01-2009 at 08:03 PM.
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03-01-2009, 08:05 PM	#32
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension A 255/35-22 is the exact same size as whats on mine now, clears no problem. I figured you were doored but your not. I don't know why ours would differ that much.
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03-01-2009, 08:18 PM	#33
purplepassion blazer is dunnnnnnnnn! Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10,623 Location: Mt. Washington, KY User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by Twisted Minis Because the geometry will be correct, your lift will not be limited by anything but a bag or shocks, on big wheels you will have much less camber. Excessive camber is a result of the suspension being pushed past it's designed limits. These will bring that back on big wheels, it will reduce your toe change, and help with the S10's notorious bump steer. Plus, you have a one off spindle, and you can brag to all your friend how cool you are. i guess that makes sense
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03-01-2009, 08:29 PM	#34
Demotte4x4 started as a 4X4 anyway Age: 31 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 630 Location: Demotte IN User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension In a way it does, but the only way to correctly put the front suspension in an ideal range of motion on a lowered truck is to make new arms, spindles, AND reposition the upper and lower control arm mounts on the frame.
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03-01-2009, 08:33 PM	#35
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Quote: Originally Posted by Twisted Minis Someone recently asked me about doing an S10 on 24s, and this was the first thing I thought of. I toyed with this idea recently when asked about it. I said the only way I would build S10 arms is if I also built spindles with vertical mounted uni-balls, and I wanted to build a custom drag link and tie rods to help. I had a feeling I would receive a response much the same as the one in this thread. No one wants to spend $3k on their front suspension when they can do it for less than half and achieve "acceptable" results. I am starting to believe minitrucks are not a good market to try to push the envelope anymore, because of threads like this. Why did I get them built??? Why not! If knowone was pushing the envolope, we would all still be running air shocks and ball valves on all 4 corners... TwistedMinis, your last two lines summed it all up for me...
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03-01-2009, 08:36 PM	#36
Twisted Minis Bob Saget bitch! Age: 21 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,405 Location: Windsor, CA User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension Thanks Low S-10. People like you still give me hope for the things I want to do in the future. Quote: Originally Posted by Demotte4x4 In a way it does, but the only way to correctly put the front suspension in an ideal range of motion on a lowered truck is to make new arms, spindles, AND reposition the upper and lower control arm mounts on the frame. Not necessarily. Unless you really know what you are doing it's best to leave the stock suspension design alone, because you can make things much worse. The best source of lowering is always spindles first. The more drop a spindle can achieve, the lower you can go without issues. Your ride height is where this all needs to be taken into account, and if you can keep your lower arms level or close to it at this height, you are in good shape. And when I saw level, I meant the imaginary line from the center of your bushings to the center of your ball joint pivots, not the actual shape of the arm. Last edited by Twisted Minis : 03-01-2009 at 08:37 PM.
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03-01-2009, 08:58 PM	#37
LOW S-10 fmylife.com Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,391 Location: DFW, TX User is: OffLine	re: My Redesigned S10 Front Suspension I want to build something different... Let's face it, I could have gone to Suicide Doors and spent $1000 and been set. There's nothing wrong with that. It works! But I'm building this truck to be a little different. Granted, it is an S10 lol, but it's mine!!!
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