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#101 |
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Registered User
Age: 30
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,446
Location: Plainfield CT User is: OffLine ![]() |
I just find it funny that 90% of the people with 2-links say I'm switching to a four link when I redue my setup. And all the people with the four links are laughing to them selves because they don't have to redue their setups.
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#102 |
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little pink pink
Age: 30
Join Date: Nov 2001
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Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine ![]() |
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#103 |
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vw user
Age: 27
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 310
Location: warrensburg, mo User is: OffLine ![]() |
i have a custom 2 link from midwest customs in sedalia, missouri. i haven't had any problems with it yet, but it does throw off the pinion angle when its layed out. i haven't measured the lift, but i know that it gets higher than stock. i will probably go with a 4 link when i have the money though
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#104 |
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 240
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
We have many happy customers with our 2-link design. It does great for the purpose it is built for. You do not get side to side with it and we tell everyone that but most people like it because our design is 95% easy bolt on. You only have to weld the upper brackets and crossbar. We have never bent one. If your building an indy car then no its not the best way but its not. I have 2-links on personal vehichles and love them. People have different ways of doing things and like different things. We have had more customers go from 4-link to 2-link than the other way. Thanks.
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#105 |
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Post Whore
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,200
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Everybody on these forums know that I am not an advocate almoast all two links....... But I just dont buy that fact that you are ripping out four links, installing two links and customers are happy with it. The only thing that tells me is that there is alot of improperly built and installed four links out there. Before I was knowledgable enough to know the correct and "not so correct" geometry of a rear mousetrap, I actually installed one on a 98 supercharged chevrolet 1-ton that I was pulling a 48ft trailer with........ after 2-weeks of hating life........ it came off. A year after that I installed a properly engineered four link system. The truck rode like a 1/2 ton,maintained proper pinion angle throughout the range of suspension travel and the truck handled and drove awesome with or without a trailer. I will admit that there are alot of hack shops installing a lot of crap and totally ruining peoples rides and in cases like that I would rather see a 2-link than an improperly set up four link with reverse bars and all of that other garbage.........
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#106 |
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Registered User
Age: 30
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,446
Location: Plainfield CT User is: OffLine ![]() |
Well said I'm with ya 100% |
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#107 |
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 240
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
That is the main reason people want them is for simple installation. The other reason it is easy to go back stock. Alot of people in the minitruckin world change vehichles all the time. A lever 2-link is also a good way to get more lift and a softer ride without cutting the bed floor. As long as you get the pinion right at ride height you do not have any problems with the drive line. 2-links work great for the purpose we use them and it is much better and safer than a hacked up 4-link anyday.
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#108 |
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Registered User
Age: 30
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,446
Location: Plainfield CT User is: OffLine ![]() |
Do you install 4-links also
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#109 |
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 240
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
Yes we do alot of 4-links and lever 4-links.
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#110 |
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Post Whore
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,200
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
I will agree with you on the hacked up four link thing but lets just agree to dissagree about any "correct"pinion angle degree on a two link
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#111 |
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body dropped
Age: 32
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 4,427
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada User is: OffLine ![]() |
Cypher I checked out the pictures of your 2 link and the reasons it bent seem pretty simple. The rear piece that connects them prevents them from moving independently of each other. Meaning if you drive on something other than a flat road, shit is going to twist. A pan hard bar would be better. The less than 1/8" wall thickness on those bars is the reason they twisted so easily. When you see Jason from SD building his stuff out of 1/4" materials it's for good reason. Just my observation on your particular set up. |
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#112 |
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Draggin Body Member...
Age: 23
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,949
Location: Murphy NC User is: OffLine ![]() |
I have contimplated a 2-link many of times, and I can see why 2-links are popular, they are cheap and easily made, but hell if you know what your doing so is a 4-link.
Correct me if I'm wrong but arent ladder bars the same thing as a 2-link??? well if you look at big jacked up trucks they have super long ladder bars, I think that would be because longer bars allows the rear end to have the similar movements of the driveshaft (make sense? it doesnt to me either). But if you think about it, without the sideways movement it puts stress into the whole system, and it doesnt allow the same cornering. I know matt said no questions, but with a leaf set-up the axle doesnt move back or forward as the vehicle goes up or down, because of the swing action of a link it moves back and forth, so what does that do to the U-joints and driveshaft as its being pulled forward??? Its very obvious that I'm not a suspension specialist, but I think that most of this is common sense. Why settle for a 2-link when you can have a 4-link and not have to worry?? |
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#113 |
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Registered User
Age: 25
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 13,735
Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine ![]() ![]() |
Actually, the axle does move back and forth as it goes up and down. Thats what the shackle at the rear of the leaf spring does.
The "big" trucks have ladder bars, but they also have leaf springs, which is a non adjustable suspension, so they don't encounter the problems that a mini-trucker would. |
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#114 |
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second dime around
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 954
Location: sylmar, california User is: OffLine ![]() |
im about to start on my suspension, and am leaning towards a two link, because, a two link can keep everything UNDER the bed (except the the dent the pumpkin will make). like IF custom's two link.
now ive been trying to design a four link that will allow me to keep my bed floor, but for it to do what a four link is soppose to do, it wont work? i know it says no questions in this thread, but i think its along the same lines: can a four link work properly, give me some lift, AND stay under my bed??(besides the pumpkin) oh i would also like to rail daily, or more.:headbang: |
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#115 |
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Registered User
Age: 25
Join Date: Jun 2002
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Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine ![]() ![]() |
Yes... if you do a weld in application, and weld the tabs next to the pumpkin on either side, and triangulate them towards the center of the gas tank x-member. That doesn't protrude into the bed at all. I dunno what kinda 4 links you're lookin at.
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#116 |
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Registered User
Age: 30
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Location: Plainfield CT User is: OffLine ![]() |
You would not need to cut the bed for a parrallel four link. Don't plan on railing unless it's cut though.
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#117 |
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second dime around
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 954
Location: sylmar, california User is: OffLine ![]() |
IF custom does it all day long. |
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#118 |
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second dime around
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 954
Location: sylmar, california User is: OffLine ![]() |
so your sayin, weld them onto the front side of the diff?. or on the top? wont i have to remove the gas tank? or just move it? i hope im not whoring this thread. and thanks for the quick replies. |
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#119 |
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body dropped
Age: 32
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 4,427
Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada User is: OffLine ![]() |
Either way, on top, or on the front of the dif will result in you having to remove your gas tank.
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#120 |
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Registered User
Age: 25
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 13,735
Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine ![]() ![]() |
ON top of the axle tube, NEXT to the differential, angled IN, towards the center of the gas tank x-member, and no, you won't have to remove your gas tank.
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#121 |
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second dime around
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 954
Location: sylmar, california User is: OffLine ![]() |
thank you i will have to take some measurements
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#122 |
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Dr. Greenhead
Age: 25
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 328
Location: Peekskill NY User is: OffLine ![]() |
ok i am not trying to restart a war but i want a definition of a 2 link and a definition of a LINK, like is a wishbone 1 link so if u ran 2 wishbones it would be a 2 link, and my next question is everyones problem is that on a 2 link as defined by the people in this thread is a link bolted to a hanger then SOLIDLY mounted to the axle using u bolts i assume?? i just wanted to know i read this whole sticky last night and was full of questions
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#123 |
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Registered User
Age: 26
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 263
Location: Danville.Ca User is: OffLine ![]() |
I was just going to get inot 67-72 chevys, then I just now read this post, makes sense 100%. It was one of the easiest airbag jobs you could do and it turned out sweet. You know your suspension and have shown your wisdome, but dont pay attention to these other tools, they are just jealous or something. I never felt like anyone was saying 2 links are junk, just stating that if you are going to do a 2 link might as well do a 4, that is your opinion and apparently nobody can accept that. If you are comfortable with the 4 link run it, if not dont. As far as that one company cutting the leaf spring eyelets off and running nothing but 2 links, who is to sat they dont have problems. I had alot of problwms with my poorly "professinally" installed airbags. Just cause they are called "Top Notch Customs" does not mean they are Top Notch. Last edited by pnut420 : 11-17-2003 at 11:58 PM. |
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#124 |
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 3
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
i need help with information on a bag setup for a 2003 xtreme ... actually let me rephrase that, i want a good setup but with as easy instalation as possible, there are no body shops that do that type of work where i live at.... they dont recognize the term bag or hydro here...lol .... Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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#125 |
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 29
Location: User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
I havent had any problems with 2 links and pinion angle my problems come into play when i try to turn into a steep drive and 1 wheel comes off the ground. i have been installing 2 links for about 5years i tell my customers the differences between 2 links a 3,4 links and the difference in cost and they go 2 link but i have never had one back for repairs either and i keep in touch with them.
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#126 |
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Post Whore
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,200
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Re: 2-links
Goodness.......... someone looked back to dig this thread up...........
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#127 |
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S-series addict
Age: 22
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 9,055
Location: Creedmoor, NC User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
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#128 |
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: 2-links
not really sure how i got on that thread but didnt really look at the date either. |
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#129 |
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second dime around
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 954
Location: sylmar, california User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
f@*k This is old damn a havent been around.
i love my two link , the only three things is, getting into a drive way (one wheel),relocating my center carrier crossmember up(will be done soon), and not low enough on stock shock mounts. it rides better than stock(with fine tuning the psi) IMO |
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#130 |
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Still 2 High
Age: 23
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,155
Location: Brockway, PA User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
I have the EKMW 2-link on my truck. I've had it since 2000, and i've probably put about 8000 miles on my truck with the 2-link installed. And you know what, I haven't had 1 problem, none!!
No vibrations, no blown pinion seals, and it's a decent ride. But, when I got my 2-link, 4-links were almost unheard of, and trying to find an s10 specific one was about impossible, and I wasn't about to build one. (I was only 15 at the time) In all honesty, the only complaints I have is no side to side, and I only get about 8"-9" of lift. |
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#131 |
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Registered User
Age: 30
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 455
Location: windsor ont User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
i built a two link for my 89 s10 looks killer but not going to run it decided to make 6 link better ride quality. made it from 2 square tube with .250 wall with x brace (1 .75") with .187 wall in middle to stiffen up. had to relocate gas tank. if you would like i will sell for 200$ US this thing is heavy duty if you what to see pic email me at chrisgrant1@cogeco.ca
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#132 |
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Hoods are overrated
Age: 25
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,684
Location: Lexington, NC User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
you brought this thread back up from the dead man
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#133 |
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it's a french bulldog
Age: 28
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 416
Location: Pittsburgh ..home of the STEELERS!!!!! User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
this thread won't die!! it's been revived from the dead 2 times now!!!
it's the immortal thread |
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#134 |
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Registered User
Age: 24
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
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Re: 2-links
i used to hav a 2 link installed by ssc and a month later i had to replace the rear end
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#135 |
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Hoods are overrated
Age: 25
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 9,684
Location: Lexington, NC User is: OffLine ![]() |
Re: 2-links
funny, my little bro's SSC 2 link has been rolling for 50k miles now and hasn't given a hint of trouble
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