2-links

LOtown Pumper · 06-04-2003, 03:25 PM

What's really retarded is arguing about suspension design with someone who has a degree in Mechanical Engineering, who has had many classes on suspension design and vehicle dynamics, who has personally built and used custom suspensions, and who happens to work for the Chassis Division of a leading automotive supplier. Especially when you have never owned a 2 Link or 4 Link, and your only argument is that there are plenty of "show trucks" that run 2 Links.

If you have enough skill to build a 2 Link, I don't see why you can't build a 4 Link instead? It doesn't require any extra special tools, and the extra material itself is inexpensive. The whole "I don't care about hitting side to side" is bs...Your truck cares about side to side when driving over uneven pavement.

But alas you have blindly jumped on the 2 Link bandwagon and are now determined to prove everyone wrong. Good luck rewriting the laws of vehicle dynamics.

SlammedDime · 06-04-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by futuresweets10
What about this... What is better for practicality, a 2 link or an air over leaf set up?

Air over leaf...if ya do it right.

DTEtukn22's · 06-04-2003, 03:50 PM

i've been using a 2 link on a daily driver for about 10 months now and have had no problems with it. When my truck goes in for the bodydrop, I'm switching over to a 4 link for something new. A 4 link is deff. a better suspension design.

DimeBag · 06-04-2003, 04:41 PM

well regardless of all this i am gettign a 2-link. i will let you all know how it works out, setup ideas, problems and whatever else...thanks guys

xtremer-pxl · 06-04-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by LOtown Pumper
If you have enough skill to build a 2 Link, I don't see why you can't build a 4 Link instead?

BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED 4LINKED TRUCKS AND NOW I WANT A 2 LINK.

AND IT IS STUPID TO ARGUE W/ A RETARD SUCH AS YOURSELF!

cyipher · 06-04-2003, 05:33 PM

why? lift?

IRSd_mini · 06-04-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by xtremer-pxl
BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED 4LINKED TRUCKS AND NOW I WANT A 2 LINK.

AND IT IS STUPID TO ARGUE W/ A RETARD SUCH AS YOURSELF!

Yeah but you had a reverse four link. Why don't you try doing it right this time... So then maybe we won't have to go thru this with you every month

xtremer-pxl · 06-04-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by IRSd_mini
Yeah but you had a reverse four link. Why don't you try doing it right this time... So then maybe we won't have to go thru this with you every month

there is nothing wrong w/ a rev triangled 4link either....

DimeBag · 06-04-2003, 06:40 PM

haha nice pxl. good luck with your 2-link thats what im going with. screw the haters.

LOtown Pumper · 06-04-2003, 08:11 PM

People who understand facts do not equal haters...

People who refuse to listen and/or try to understand equal ignorant.

Did you guys argue with your math teacher in school that 2+2=Eleventy Billion?

DimeBag · 06-04-2003, 10:52 PM

ok not haters. people that dont think it is 'best' different is good. practicality is good. its whatever you want. not what everyone else wants. i want a 2-link and thats what i am gonna have you guys want your setups and you have them. im sure i will chang eover sometime but fo rnow thats what i want. thanks guys

cyipher · 06-04-2003, 11:07 PM

all right, here is the pictures i promised of my bent 2 link made outta 2.5"x1.5"x0.120" tubing

Those tig weld held nice and stong though!!!!!!

http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/2%20link%20bent/

xtremer-pxl · 06-05-2003, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by cyipher
all right, here is the pictures i promised of my bent 2 link made outta 2.5"x1.5"x0.120" tubing

Those tig weld held nice and stong though!!!!!!

http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/2%20link%20bent/

DAMN!!

where did you have your bags mounted at w/ that setup? And did that crossbar work good, Was that used instead of a pan hard bar?

LOtown Pumper · 06-05-2003, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by xtremer-pxl
DAMN!!

where did you have your bags mounted at w/ that setup? And did that crossbar work good, Was that used instead of a pan hard bar?

He was running sleeve bags behind the axle... Here's a pic:

If that doesn't show up here's the link, to his gallery: http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/bags/

I also see remember him stating that the crossbar didn't help at all, and was going to be fabbing up a panhard bar...but then the 2 Link bent and he scrapped it entirely.

LOtown Pumper · 06-05-2003, 10:34 AM

Cyipher also killed about 4 sleeve bags with that setup, and the reason I believe they blew is because of excessive the lateral movement. They didn't overextend vertically because his shocks limited them, and they didn't rub on anything. The most likely scenario is he kept tearing the bags apart from the axle moving laterally while driving. A panhard bar would have fixed this problem.

cyipher · 06-05-2003, 11:27 AM

yes it is true the cross bar didnt do crap! actually i killed 5 bags, blew the last one while removing the 2 link. hahah lowtown how do remember all this?

cyipher · 06-05-2003, 11:29 AM

you can also see how the links are bent verticaly in the picture of it laying againts the garbage can. and you can see my VW bug in other pictures

ohioxtreme · 06-05-2003, 11:36 AM

so yours woulda worked out with beefier bars and a panhard?

cyipher · 06-05-2003, 11:38 AM

as good as a 2 lionk would

EyePoppin · 06-24-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by IRSd_mini
A two link with a panhard bar is not a three link. A three link has two lower bars and one upper bar. The panhard bar does not count in the number of links. Just the same as a parallel four link with a panhard is not a 5 link.

It is impossible to have a two link without having pinion angle changes... think about it... the bars move in an arc. And the pinion angle moves in that same arc. For those that don;t understand, grab a pencil. hold one end stationary, and move the other up and down. notice how it swings in an arc ? that is what a two link does ( and a four link does too. but the rear end pivots on a four link ). And with the rear end firmly mounted to the two link bar, the pinion angle changes, same as the bar angle changes, as it moves up and down.

If you contest this eyepoppin', explain how you got yours to not change.

I totally agree with your point and i understand what u are saying. If there is change in my pinion angle which i havent gotten to it with an inclino meter or anythign to see if there is a degree of cahnge or not, it is less then 2 degrees, i cant tell with my eye that it is changing, if you dont believe me i will get a video of me raising and lowering my truck and tape the pinion angle. If the angle moves less the 2 degrees that isnt worrying me.

Its kinda funny that there is lots of people on the board that dont like 2 links...so be it..i dont care. I have a 2 link with a panhard bar...along with many other people. I will go back to what i have said from the first time that i posted that i have a 2 link and u have bashed me every time. If im so wrong how does IF custom get by with all the 2 link w/ panhard bars they do? The way they explained to me over the phone was the exact same way they did theirs....they could be feeding me a line of BS, but im pretty sure they dont...i dont think i have ever seen a truck come out of there with a 3 or 4 link.....maybe just me tho...

Larry u are god, i have never said anything bad about you or anything bad about the things that u have built...i dont like some of it, but that is my opinion. If u dont like 2 links so be it...u dont like em, i have never had a problem with mine, and my truck isnt inferior to anyone elses' that is on this site. People do what u want to do, a 2 link costs less then 50 bux to build....(at least mine did). But if u want to be 'cool' in larrys eyes, spend the money and buy a 4 link from him.

Im not trying to get into a b!tching match either, just stating that people have their own preferences like what Taylor said 2 link works fine for me, never had any problems.

I can already hear it coming. Go forth and bash larry.

Bagged02S10 · 06-24-2003, 03:07 PM

I hated my 2 link, i shredded 2 sets fo tires because of that dam*ed thing and i busted 3 universal joints, IMO i would just save some more and have the 4 link done professionally

SlammedDime · 06-24-2003, 03:13 PM

EyePoppin.... Look at this for example...and I am going to exadurate a lil bit to get my point....

Take a 4 link on the back of a truck.... With a perfect pinion angle (we'll say the diff is parallel with the ground at a perfect angle), if you lift the truck up 2 ft with that 4 link....if it a properly built 4 link, that differential will still be parallel to the ground....that is a NO CHANGE in pinion angle.

Take a 2 link on the back of a truck.... lets say that at ride height, you have perfect pinion angle, and the diff and bars of your 2 link are both parallel to the ground.... If you lift the truck up 2 ft in the air... your bars are no longer parallel with the ground, and because the way a 2 link is designed, the differential is at the same angle the bars are at, and there for the pinion is NOT CORRECT, and does not remain the same at all heights.

I'm not tryin to bash your two link or anything, but I thought this little explaination might help others that don't quite understand pinion angles and such.

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:16 PM

Well... you have done nothing to prove your point. But don't worry I will prove mine.
Let's start with this...

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Originally posted by EyePoppin
I totally agree with your point and i understand what u are saying. If there is change in my pinion angle which i havent gotten to it with an inclino meter or anythign to see if there is a degree of cahnge or not, it is less then 2 degrees, i cant tell with my eye that it is changing, if you dont believe me i will get a video of me raising and lowering my truck and tape the pinion angle. If the angle moves less the 2 degrees that isnt worrying me.

AND...

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Originally posted by EyePoppin
LMFAO i have a levered 2 link with panhard bar (basically 3 link) get 15" of lift and my pinion angle doesnt change at all? all of my friends have 2 links with panhards too, so i dont know what u guys' big deal with them...

So how can you say in one post you don't get any pinion angle change at all, then say you haven't put an angle finder on it to check it? Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. And... from your second quote... a two link with a panhard is not a three link. a three link has an upper bar.

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Originally posted by EyePoppin

Its kinda funny that there is lots of people on the board that dont like 2 links...so be it..i dont care. I have a 2 link with a panhard bar...along with many other people. I will go back to what i have said from the first time that i posted that i have a 2 link and u have bashed me every time. If im so wrong how does IF custom get by with all the 2 link w/ panhard bars they do?

Here is a quote from me early in this thread. Read it over and over until you under stand it...

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Originally posted by IRSd_mini
No one has said they don't work. We are just pointing out a better way, and possibly a cheaper way. Isn't that the minitrucker way that you always preach.

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Originally posted by EyePoppin

...i have never said anything bad about you or anything bad about the things that u have built...i dont like some of it, but that is my opinion. If u dont like 2 links so be it...u dont like em, i have never had a problem with mine, and my truck isnt inferior to anyone elses' that is on this site. People do what u want to do, a 2 link costs less then 50 bux to build....(at least mine did). But if u want to be 'cool' in larrys eyes, spend the money and buy a 4 link from him.

If I thought you knew what you were talking about, I would be interested in hearing what you don't like. But I really have no concerns over the opinions of someone that cuts the ends off leaf springs, and welds them to the two link bars. And since you do that, that very much makes your work inferior. And before you get started on the IF thing, I am on the west coast. Any time you want to come out here, I will pull out my show truck, and beat them at a show. Think I am kiddin ? the first time I heard of IF was at the '98 Cal Truck Jam. The best engineered award from that show is being used as a book end on the shelf right above me as I type this. Either early this year, or late last year, I spent over an hour, at my computer, typing a response here on how to build a two link. I know you remember it, because all you got out of it was you did your's ghetto by using the leaf spring ends. You didn't grasp the fact that I hate them, yet I was willing to tell the guys here how to build one.
And lastly, I didn't say buy a four link from me. I sent him to Jason. You need to learn how to read.

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Originally posted by EyePoppin
Im not trying to get into a b!tching match either....

I think the fact you dug up a 3 week old post, and failed to give any firm answers, says otherwise.

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:21 PM

Now let me show you gys how little eyepoppin' knows...

Here is a picture of a 22" long four link bar...
The end in the vise represents the front pivot point ( and it actually has a bushing in it ) It is level, and the angle finder in reading 0...

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:24 PM

And I forgot the picture

xtremer-pxl · 06-24-2003, 03:34 PM

you guys know what....we all know everyones views and opinions...so why must you keep posting them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over!

STFU ALREADY!

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:36 PM

And now same bar... same mounting set up... dropped 15" ( just like eyepoopin' gets )... I apologize for the dirty angle finder, and it's not being readable, but look at the bar angle, and look at the angle finder. see the little red rointer hanging straight down ? It has a white line in the middle for a pointer. now look at the small red pointer off to the left of it. That is ZERO. The bar got 44 degrees of movement. This bar is the bottom nar from one of my blazer four link kits, sao it is pretty close to the length of a two link bar. ( in fact you can see the reast of the parts of the kit behind it. I opened a box and dumped it ou to get a bar to do this. )

And now think of a 2 link design... It piots in the front, and is mounted solidly at the axle. So no matter what... the pinion angle has just as much movement ( degree change ) as the bar.

So now eyepoopin'... it is your turn. You wanted to bring this post back up. Do you have anything intelligent to say ?

HuTcH · 06-24-2003, 03:39 PM

1 question how many people DRIVE at 15" up? why the hell would the pinion angle matter when yer maxed out????
it would matter where the normal drive height is...

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by xtremer-pxl
you guys know what....we all know everyones views and opinions...

Mine is not opinion. Firm fact... look at the pictures.
If you and eyepoppin', or anyone else, want's to run a two link, I could care less. But as long as you guys keep telling people that don't know any better, that a two link is good, this will keep coming up.

xtremer-pxl · 06-24-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by IRSd_mini
Mine is not opinion. Firm fact... look at the pictures.

Im sorry but i don't care to argue with you about something that really doesn't matter

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by HuTcH
1 question how many people DRIVE at 15" up? why the hell would the pinion angle matter when yer maxed out????
it would matter where the normal drive height is...

Fair enough... if you have 44 degrees of change at 15", that is nearly 3 degrees per inch. You will easily have 4" of movement in daily use. 2" up, 2" down. that equates to roughly 12 degrees of pinion angle change. At that is where you drive at, and that does matter. pinion angle differences as small as 1 degree can cause vibration and premature pinion bearing and transmission failure.

SlammedDime · 06-24-2003, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by IRSd_mini
pinion angle differences as small as 1 degree can cause vibration and premature pinion bearing and transmission failure.

I'll attest to that.... i have to replace all my u-joints cuz my angle was off 2*....but thats fixed now...

IRSd_mini · 06-24-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by xtremer-pxl
Im sorry but how many trucks will have that much movement in their bars?

ps...im still gonna run a 2 link just because you say they don't work....its called spite

Get your mom, sister, boyfriend, someone... you need help reading again...
Eyepoppin says his gets 15" of lift with no pinion angle change. So I used 15" to make a point.
And I never said they don't work, go up and read again.

06-04-2003, 03:25 PM	#51
LOtown Pumper Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 476 Location: Lake Orion, MI User is: OffLine	What's really retarded is arguing about suspension design with someone who has a degree in Mechanical Engineering, who has had many classes on suspension design and vehicle dynamics, who has personally built and used custom suspensions, and who happens to work for the Chassis Division of a leading automotive supplier. Especially when you have never owned a 2 Link or 4 Link, and your only argument is that there are plenty of "show trucks" that run 2 Links. If you have enough skill to build a 2 Link, I don't see why you can't build a 4 Link instead? It doesn't require any extra special tools, and the extra material itself is inexpensive. The whole "I don't care about hitting side to side" is bs...Your truck cares about side to side when driving over uneven pavement. But alas you have blindly jumped on the 2 Link bandwagon and are now determined to prove everyone wrong. Good luck rewriting the laws of vehicle dynamics. Last edited by SlammedDime : 06-29-2003 at 10:37 PM.
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06-04-2003, 03:34 PM	#52
SlammedDime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,735 Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by futuresweets10 What about this... What is better for practicality, a 2 link or an air over leaf set up? Air over leaf...if ya do it right.
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06-04-2003, 03:50 PM	#53
DTEtukn22's down to earth Age: 24 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 327 Location: SO CAL User is: OffLine	i've been using a 2 link on a daily driver for about 10 months now and have had no problems with it. When my truck goes in for the bodydrop, I'm switching over to a 4 link for something new. A 4 link is deff. a better suspension design.
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06-04-2003, 04:41 PM	#54
DimeBag Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,139 Location: little titz User is: OffLine	well regardless of all this i am gettign a 2-link. i will let you all know how it works out, setup ideas, problems and whatever else...thanks guys
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06-04-2003, 05:27 PM	#55
xtremer-pxl little pink pink Age: 30 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,566 Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by LOtown Pumper If you have enough skill to build a 2 Link, I don't see why you can't build a 4 Link instead? BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED 4LINKED TRUCKS AND NOW I WANT A 2 LINK. AND IT IS STUPID TO ARGUE W/ A RETARD SUCH AS YOURSELF!
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06-04-2003, 05:33 PM	#56
cyipher Turbos and Naws Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 611 Location: User is: OffLine	why? lift?
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06-04-2003, 05:35 PM	#57
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by xtremer-pxl BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED 4LINKED TRUCKS AND NOW I WANT A 2 LINK. AND IT IS STUPID TO ARGUE W/ A RETARD SUCH AS YOURSELF! Yeah but you had a reverse four link. Why don't you try doing it right this time... So then maybe we won't have to go thru this with you every month
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06-04-2003, 05:54 PM	#58
xtremer-pxl little pink pink Age: 30 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,566 Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by IRSd_mini Yeah but you had a reverse four link. Why don't you try doing it right this time... So then maybe we won't have to go thru this with you every month there is nothing wrong w/ a rev triangled 4link either.... Last edited by SlammedDime : 06-29-2003 at 10:38 PM.
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06-04-2003, 06:40 PM	#59
DimeBag Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,139 Location: little titz User is: OffLine	haha nice pxl. good luck with your 2-link thats what im going with. screw the haters.
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06-04-2003, 08:11 PM	#60
LOtown Pumper Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 476 Location: Lake Orion, MI User is: OffLine	People who understand facts do not equal haters... People who refuse to listen and/or try to understand equal ignorant. Did you guys argue with your math teacher in school that 2+2=Eleventy Billion?
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06-04-2003, 10:52 PM	#61
DimeBag Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,139 Location: little titz User is: OffLine	ok not haters. people that dont think it is 'best' different is good. practicality is good. its whatever you want. not what everyone else wants. i want a 2-link and thats what i am gonna have you guys want your setups and you have them. im sure i will chang eover sometime but fo rnow thats what i want. thanks guys
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06-04-2003, 11:07 PM	#62
cyipher Turbos and Naws Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 611 Location: User is: OffLine	all right, here is the pictures i promised of my bent 2 link made outta 2.5"x1.5"x0.120" tubing Those tig weld held nice and stong though!!!!!! http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/2%20link%20bent/
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06-05-2003, 09:22 AM	#63
xtremer-pxl little pink pink Age: 30 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,566 Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by cyipher all right, here is the pictures i promised of my bent 2 link made outta 2.5"x1.5"x0.120" tubing Those tig weld held nice and stong though!!!!!! http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/2%20link%20bent/ DAMN!! where did you have your bags mounted at w/ that setup? And did that crossbar work good, Was that used instead of a pan hard bar?
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06-05-2003, 10:30 AM	#64
LOtown Pumper Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 476 Location: Lake Orion, MI User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by xtremer-pxl DAMN!! where did you have your bags mounted at w/ that setup? And did that crossbar work good, Was that used instead of a pan hard bar? He was running sleeve bags behind the axle... Here's a pic: If that doesn't show up here's the link, to his gallery: http://216.82.131.146/cyipher/bags/ I also see remember him stating that the crossbar didn't help at all, and was going to be fabbing up a panhard bar...but then the 2 Link bent and he scrapped it entirely.
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06-05-2003, 10:34 AM	#65
LOtown Pumper Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 476 Location: Lake Orion, MI User is: OffLine	Cyipher also killed about 4 sleeve bags with that setup, and the reason I believe they blew is because of excessive the lateral movement. They didn't overextend vertically because his shocks limited them, and they didn't rub on anything. The most likely scenario is he kept tearing the bags apart from the axle moving laterally while driving. A panhard bar would have fixed this problem.
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06-05-2003, 11:27 AM	#66
cyipher Turbos and Naws Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 611 Location: User is: OffLine	yes it is true the cross bar didnt do crap! actually i killed 5 bags, blew the last one while removing the 2 link. hahah lowtown how do remember all this?
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06-05-2003, 11:29 AM	#67
cyipher Turbos and Naws Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 611 Location: User is: OffLine	you can also see how the links are bent verticaly in the picture of it laying againts the garbage can. and you can see my VW bug in other pictures
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06-05-2003, 11:36 AM	#68
ohioxtreme Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,210 Location: Marion Ohio User is: OffLine	so yours woulda worked out with beefier bars and a panhard?
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06-05-2003, 11:38 AM	#69
cyipher Turbos and Naws Age: 24 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 611 Location: User is: OffLine	as good as a 2 lionk would
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06-24-2003, 01:28 PM	#70
EyePoppin Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,825 Location: Grand Rapids, MI User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by IRSd_mini A two link with a panhard bar is not a three link. A three link has two lower bars and one upper bar. The panhard bar does not count in the number of links. Just the same as a parallel four link with a panhard is not a 5 link. It is impossible to have a two link without having pinion angle changes... think about it... the bars move in an arc. And the pinion angle moves in that same arc. For those that don;t understand, grab a pencil. hold one end stationary, and move the other up and down. notice how it swings in an arc ? that is what a two link does ( and a four link does too. but the rear end pivots on a four link ). And with the rear end firmly mounted to the two link bar, the pinion angle changes, same as the bar angle changes, as it moves up and down. If you contest this eyepoppin', explain how you got yours to not change. I totally agree with your point and i understand what u are saying. If there is change in my pinion angle which i havent gotten to it with an inclino meter or anythign to see if there is a degree of cahnge or not, it is less then 2 degrees, i cant tell with my eye that it is changing, if you dont believe me i will get a video of me raising and lowering my truck and tape the pinion angle. If the angle moves less the 2 degrees that isnt worrying me. Its kinda funny that there is lots of people on the board that dont like 2 links...so be it..i dont care. I have a 2 link with a panhard bar...along with many other people. I will go back to what i have said from the first time that i posted that i have a 2 link and u have bashed me every time. If im so wrong how does IF custom get by with all the 2 link w/ panhard bars they do? The way they explained to me over the phone was the exact same way they did theirs....they could be feeding me a line of BS, but im pretty sure they dont...i dont think i have ever seen a truck come out of there with a 3 or 4 link.....maybe just me tho... Larry u are god, i have never said anything bad about you or anything bad about the things that u have built...i dont like some of it, but that is my opinion. If u dont like 2 links so be it...u dont like em, i have never had a problem with mine, and my truck isnt inferior to anyone elses' that is on this site. People do what u want to do, a 2 link costs less then 50 bux to build....(at least mine did). But if u want to be 'cool' in larrys eyes, spend the money and buy a 4 link from him. Im not trying to get into a b!tching match either, just stating that people have their own preferences like what Taylor said 2 link works fine for me, never had any problems. I can already hear it coming. Go forth and bash larry. Last edited by EyePoppin : 06-24-2003 at 01:35 PM.
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06-24-2003, 03:07 PM	#71
Bagged02S10 Pssst.. Got Bags?? Age: 22 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 82 Location: Folsom,Ca User is: OffLine	I hated my 2 link, i shredded 2 sets fo tires because of that dam*ed thing and i busted 3 universal joints, IMO i would just save some more and have the 4 link done professionally
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06-24-2003, 03:13 PM	#72
SlammedDime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,735 Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine	EyePoppin.... Look at this for example...and I am going to exadurate a lil bit to get my point.... Take a 4 link on the back of a truck.... With a perfect pinion angle (we'll say the diff is parallel with the ground at a perfect angle), if you lift the truck up 2 ft with that 4 link....if it a properly built 4 link, that differential will still be parallel to the ground....that is a NO CHANGE in pinion angle. Take a 2 link on the back of a truck.... lets say that at ride height, you have perfect pinion angle, and the diff and bars of your 2 link are both parallel to the ground.... If you lift the truck up 2 ft in the air... your bars are no longer parallel with the ground, and because the way a 2 link is designed, the differential is at the same angle the bars are at, and there for the pinion is NOT CORRECT, and does not remain the same at all heights. I'm not tryin to bash your two link or anything, but I thought this little explaination might help others that don't quite understand pinion angles and such.
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06-24-2003, 03:16 PM	#73
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	Well... you have done nothing to prove your point. But don't worry I will prove mine. Let's start with this... Quote: Originally posted by EyePoppin I totally agree with your point and i understand what u are saying. If there is change in my pinion angle which i havent gotten to it with an inclino meter or anythign to see if there is a degree of cahnge or not, it is less then 2 degrees, i cant tell with my eye that it is changing, if you dont believe me i will get a video of me raising and lowering my truck and tape the pinion angle. If the angle moves less the 2 degrees that isnt worrying me. AND... Quote: Originally posted by EyePoppin LMFAO i have a levered 2 link with panhard bar (basically 3 link) get 15" of lift and my pinion angle doesnt change at all? all of my friends have 2 links with panhards too, so i dont know what u guys' big deal with them... So how can you say in one post you don't get any pinion angle change at all, then say you haven't put an angle finder on it to check it? Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. And... from your second quote... a two link with a panhard is not a three link. a three link has an upper bar. Quote: Originally posted by EyePoppin Its kinda funny that there is lots of people on the board that dont like 2 links...so be it..i dont care. I have a 2 link with a panhard bar...along with many other people. I will go back to what i have said from the first time that i posted that i have a 2 link and u have bashed me every time. If im so wrong how does IF custom get by with all the 2 link w/ panhard bars they do? Here is a quote from me early in this thread. Read it over and over until you under stand it... Quote: Originally posted by IRSd_mini No one has said they don't work. We are just pointing out a better way, and possibly a cheaper way. Isn't that the minitrucker way that you always preach. Quote: Originally posted by EyePoppin ...i have never said anything bad about you or anything bad about the things that u have built...i dont like some of it, but that is my opinion. If u dont like 2 links so be it...u dont like em, i have never had a problem with mine, and my truck isnt inferior to anyone elses' that is on this site. People do what u want to do, a 2 link costs less then 50 bux to build....(at least mine did). But if u want to be 'cool' in larrys eyes, spend the money and buy a 4 link from him. If I thought you knew what you were talking about, I would be interested in hearing what you don't like. But I really have no concerns over the opinions of someone that cuts the ends off leaf springs, and welds them to the two link bars. And since you do that, that very much makes your work inferior. And before you get started on the IF thing, I am on the west coast. Any time you want to come out here, I will pull out my show truck, and beat them at a show. Think I am kiddin ? the first time I heard of IF was at the '98 Cal Truck Jam. The best engineered award from that show is being used as a book end on the shelf right above me as I type this. Either early this year, or late last year, I spent over an hour, at my computer, typing a response here on how to build a two link. I know you remember it, because all you got out of it was you did your's ghetto by using the leaf spring ends. You didn't grasp the fact that I hate them, yet I was willing to tell the guys here how to build one. And lastly, I didn't say buy a four link from me. I sent him to Jason. You need to learn how to read. Quote: Originally posted by EyePoppin Im not trying to get into a b!tching match either.... I think the fact you dug up a 3 week old post, and failed to give any firm answers, says otherwise.
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06-24-2003, 03:21 PM	#74
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	Now let me show you gys how little eyepoppin' knows... Here is a picture of a 22" long four link bar... The end in the vise represents the front pivot point ( and it actually has a bushing in it ) It is level, and the angle finder in reading 0...
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06-24-2003, 03:24 PM	#75
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	And I forgot the picture
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06-24-2003, 03:34 PM	#76
xtremer-pxl little pink pink Age: 30 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,566 Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine	you guys know what....we all know everyones views and opinions...so why must you keep posting them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over! STFU ALREADY!
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06-24-2003, 03:36 PM	#77
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	And now same bar... same mounting set up... dropped 15" ( just like eyepoopin' gets )... I apologize for the dirty angle finder, and it's not being readable, but look at the bar angle, and look at the angle finder. see the little red rointer hanging straight down ? It has a white line in the middle for a pointer. now look at the small red pointer off to the left of it. That is ZERO. The bar got 44 degrees of movement. This bar is the bottom nar from one of my blazer four link kits, sao it is pretty close to the length of a two link bar. ( in fact you can see the reast of the parts of the kit behind it. I opened a box and dumped it ou to get a bar to do this. ) And now think of a 2 link design... It piots in the front, and is mounted solidly at the axle. So no matter what... the pinion angle has just as much movement ( degree change ) as the bar. So now eyepoopin'... it is your turn. You wanted to bring this post back up. Do you have anything intelligent to say ?
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06-24-2003, 03:39 PM	#78
HuTcH Age: 31 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6,636 Location: Dallas, Texas User is: OffLine	1 question how many people DRIVE at 15" up? why the hell would the pinion angle matter when yer maxed out???? it would matter where the normal drive height is...
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06-24-2003, 03:42 PM	#80
xtremer-pxl little pink pink Age: 30 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,566 Location: KANSAS User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by IRSd_mini Mine is not opinion. Firm fact... look at the pictures. Im sorry but i don't care to argue with you about something that really doesn't matter
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06-24-2003, 03:43 PM	#81
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by HuTcH 1 question how many people DRIVE at 15" up? why the hell would the pinion angle matter when yer maxed out???? it would matter where the normal drive height is... Fair enough... if you have 44 degrees of change at 15", that is nearly 3 degrees per inch. You will easily have 4" of movement in daily use. 2" up, 2" down. that equates to roughly 12 degrees of pinion angle change. At that is where you drive at, and that does matter. pinion angle differences as small as 1 degree can cause vibration and premature pinion bearing and transmission failure.
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06-24-2003, 03:45 PM	#82
SlammedDime Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,735 Location: Glendale, AZ User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by IRSd_mini pinion angle differences as small as 1 degree can cause vibration and premature pinion bearing and transmission failure. I'll attest to that.... i have to replace all my u-joints cuz my angle was off 2*....but thats fixed now...
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06-24-2003, 03:46 PM	#83
IRSd_mini Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,967 Location: Reno, Nevada. User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by xtremer-pxl Im sorry but how many trucks will have that much movement in their bars? ps...im still gonna run a 2 link just because you say they don't work....its called spite Get your mom, sister, boyfriend, someone... you need help reading again... Eyepoppin says his gets 15" of lift with no pinion angle change. So I used 15" to make a point. And I never said they don't work, go up and read again.
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