06-01-2003, 10:16 PM
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2-links
anyone on here got a 2-link? any problems. any good/bad remarks about them. i wanna get the ssc 2-link any ideas/opionions or anything? thanks guys. just dont know to much about them. heard it was a good design tho
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06-01-2003, 10:26 PM
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Two Dimes Two
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2 links are a bad design, stick with a 3 link wishbone or 4 link.
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06-01-2003, 10:33 PM
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in the process of installing my ssc 2link on a 1st gen, cheaper than a 4-link and more lift too, est. 12 inches. will keep ya informed
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06-01-2003, 11:01 PM
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Two Dimes Two
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The reason that 2 links are a bad design is that they will throw off the pinion angle.
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06-01-2003, 11:03 PM
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06-02-2003, 01:07 AM
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Turbos and Naws
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2 links are extreamly bad, i know, i had one, and i am switching over to a 4 link, if you must have a 2 link get a wall thickness of over 0.120. i bent my 2 link like butter. I will get pic of my bent 2 link tommorrow.
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06-02-2003, 01:16 AM
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06-02-2003, 06:45 AM
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how did you bend it? and why are 2-links so wrong? cant you correct the pinion angle?
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06-02-2003, 10:37 AM
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On a 4 Link setup the pinion angle does not change as dramatically because the axle is not rigidly attached to the bars. It is hinged, therefore is rotates the pinion angle _MUCH_ less. I can drive my truck (as seen above) at any height and I don't get even the slightest hint of driveshaft vibrations. |
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06-02-2003, 10:39 AM
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I spent much less than $450 on my 4 Link (approximately $350 including my Slam Specialties bags) and I get just as much (if not more) lift. That SSC 2 Link doesn't even include a panhard bar, and regardless of what they tell you it is _necessary_ to have a panhard bar with that setup. |
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06-02-2003, 10:49 AM
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little pink pink
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I love how everyone who is hate'n on the 2link has never owned one....
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06-02-2003, 10:53 AM
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06-02-2003, 10:59 AM
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Turbos and Naws
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i had a 2 link, and now i'm back with springs, waitin for money to buy my 4 link
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06-02-2003, 10:59 AM
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little pink pink
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3/4 of the trucks at shows are either rev. tri. 4linked or 2 linked. So tell me again why these setups don't work? PLEASE!
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06-02-2003, 11:00 AM
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I'm hatin on a 500$ 2-link that's made from 2 pieces of box tube and some 1/4" plate...80$ worth of material at most. If somebody's so dead set on a 2-link, build your own...don't pay that kind of money for one. I'm not gonna get into another 400000 post arguement of WHY 2-links are not the best way to go...We've been over this one before. I sure as hell wouldn't pay 500$ for one though...
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06-02-2003, 11:05 AM
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We've been through this a million times... Most Show trucks = Trailer Trucks... They don't always do what is fundamentally best, but instead what will _look_ best or is easiest to do...This is not an argument which validates the fundamentals of 2 Links and reversed 4 Links. Oh yeah... Last edited by SlammedDime : 06-30-2003 at 04:03 AM. |
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06-02-2003, 11:08 AM
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And how many make it to shows has nothing to do with this. At the last show I went to, mine was the only one with an independent. And I don't think any one will argue that is the best way to go. So why isn't there more ? Doing things right takes a little more thought and skill. Anyone can cobble together something that works OK. |
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06-02-2003, 11:13 AM
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06-02-2003, 11:51 AM
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LMFAO i have a levered 2 link with panhard bar (basically 3 link) get 15" of lift and my pinion angle doesnt change at all? all of my friends have 2 links with panhards too, so i dont know what u guys' big deal with them...
Just remember IFCustoms use 2 links all day long. And they cut the eyelet off of the leaf spring. IF u dont believe me (.....) call em... |
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06-02-2003, 12:08 PM
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A two link with a panhard bar is not a three link. A three link has two lower bars and one upper bar. The panhard bar does not count in the number of links. Just the same as a parallel four link with a panhard is not a 5 link.
It is impossible to have a two link without having pinion angle changes... think about it... the bars move in an arc. And the pinion angle moves in that same arc. For those that don;t understand, grab a pencil. hold one end stationary, and move the other up and down. notice how it swings in an arc ? that is what a two link does ( and a four link does too. but the rear end pivots on a four link ). And with the rear end firmly mounted to the two link bar, the pinion angle changes, same as the bar angle changes, as it moves up and down. If you contest this eyepoppin', explain how you got yours to not change. |
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06-02-2003, 12:10 PM
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um...that's not a 3-link..a 3-link has hinged points on both ends of the bars...not a solid mount to the axle...you have a "properly" set up 2-link. And your pinion angle has to change...
As for the IF thing, welding to spring steel is NEVER a good idea...it will eventually fail...just because it works for now doesnt make it right. That weld will eventually give because the steel around it is now brittle. Isn't it kinda sad that a "real" shop recycles spring eyes instead of shelling out an extra buck or so for some steel tube? |
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06-02-2003, 12:41 PM
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06-02-2003, 12:49 PM
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06-02-2003, 12:52 PM
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True life confessions from two former two link owners...
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06-02-2003, 01:02 PM
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ok so you guys are all saying how the two link can throw off the pinion angle dramtically when laid or lifted. at ride height the pinion angle is normal, correct? well i live in pa, basically put the roads are about as bumpy as my balls. therefore crusing at a lower height is almost impossible especially in my town. ride height would be my standard height except dragging or when i park it. so why is the pinion angle a big deal? i mean if im driving at ride height 90% of the time whats the matter with the 2-link. and whats the difference between a panhard and the brace ssc has? also does the pinion angle **** up things when only dropped that 10% of the time? i dont abuse my truck like a i know some people do. anybody on here actually installed the ssc two-link and have any comments on it or pictures?
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06-02-2003, 01:07 PM
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Tony or Larry can go more indepth as to why pot holes are bad for two links as well
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06-02-2003, 01:28 PM
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they arent potholes. haha the raods are just eneven. like if you layed it down low you would be driving and it would scrape every now and then. the roads are like "warped"
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06-02-2003, 02:54 PM
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A bad pinion angle can cause a few things...first of all you will have the annoying vibrations. It can also lead to failure of u-joints and pinion bearings. Even driving with it incorrect for 1% of the time is bad. All it takes is one second to ruin a u-joint or pinion bearing.
As far as the brace/panhard bar question, that brace does absolutely nothing. Your axle already rigidly ties the two bars together...The brace is merely redundant... A panhard bar locates an axle laterally (side to side with respect to the frame). |
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06-02-2003, 06:09 PM
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Turbos and Naws
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2 link dont also allow for good s/s
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06-02-2003, 06:19 PM
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sure they do...they twist at the connection points (spring perch, axle plate) and right in the middle of the bars till something breaks...then you get MAD sides..
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06-02-2003, 08:55 PM
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Turbos and Naws
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sweet thrown sides with a broken axel, i got to get me one of them
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06-03-2003, 01:19 AM
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YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR unless you paid 500$ for a 2-link...then you just got screwed...
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06-03-2003, 09:19 PM
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hellboundkustomz
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SO YOU HAVE TO PAY 500 BUCKS FOR A 2-LINK FOR IT TO BE A GOOD ONE............I BETTER STOP BUYING STUFF ON SALE, SINCE ITS NOT WORTHY UNLESS ITS FULL PRICE. YOUR POST WAS LAME
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06-03-2003, 10:06 PM
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And as for his post being lame, it was very clear to the majority of people what he was saying....What's really lame is typing in all caps... |
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06-03-2003, 10:16 PM
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hellboundkustomz
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whatever you say. i could really care less what kind of point was being made. the point i was trying to make is if someone WAS going to spend 500 on a 2 -link-i was trying to save them a bunch of money by letting them have mine for near nothing because in my opinion that is what it is worth.NEAR NOTHING. I WAS NOT TRYING TO GET IN SOME LITTLE SHITTING MATCH ABOUT WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DON`T. i won`t try to help out again.
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06-03-2003, 10:41 PM
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i wonder what kind of pissing match i could get going if i want a a reverse 2link??.....hmmmmmm
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06-03-2003, 11:50 PM
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 And, apparantly, monzadood, you totaly missed my point. You're right, 500$ is WAY too much for a 2-link of any kind...I we can all agree on that. What I was also trying to say, which somehow got lost...is that no matter if it's 50$ or 500$, a 2-link is still a 2-link. It doesnt matter how much you pay for it, it's still an inadequate setup...period. |
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06-04-2003, 08:23 AM
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wow, the 2-link subject gives everyone a chance to show just how cool they are. Either way, i have a 2-link on my truck i think there are about 50$ dollars into the materials and a little time, and i think it works fine for me. i get no driveline vibration at full lift or at draggin rocker, i get good lift nothing crazy i think its about 10inches or so. Im deff not saying 2-links are better than 4-links, i mean come on everyone knows that technically the 4link setup gives you much better results overall. But for ME my 2-link is fine.
But this winter i will be switching to a 4link setup when i have time, i think the thing that cathces most people that didnt build their 2-link that want one is the ease of installation also, they are pretty easy to install, its kinda hard to fuk them up. They just dont take alot of thought to install, and i think that most people like that. and que the haters...........................now. |
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06-04-2003, 08:27 AM
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little pink pink
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I can honestly say, im still getting a 2LINK for my blazer!
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06-04-2003, 10:46 AM
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pxl- what kind of 2 link are you gonna run?
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06-04-2003, 11:07 AM
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06-04-2003, 11:16 AM
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Turbos and Naws
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use a wall thicness of above .120, i used .120 and it bent
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06-04-2003, 11:19 AM
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little pink pink
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I was planning on using 1/8th-3/16th I guess ill go w/ the 3/16th huh! Thanks for the warning. |
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06-04-2003, 11:46 AM
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I have the EKMW 2-link. The only thing I dont like about it is that I dont get a lot of lift out of it, and I can't hit sides with it.
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06-04-2003, 12:17 PM
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What about this... What is better for practicality, a 2 link or an air over leaf set up?
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06-04-2003, 12:23 PM
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little pink pink
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cuz the mono is to weak  |
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06-04-2003, 12:28 PM
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former title junky mod
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so basically when I notch my frame it wouldnt be a bad idea to build a 2-link out of scrap metal with the rented welder, just to hold me over till I get the four link...?
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06-04-2003, 12:29 PM
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Turbos and Naws
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but mono keeps the pinion in line
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06-04-2003, 12:58 PM
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I'd rather have a De-Arched Bi-Leaf rather than a mono or 2-link....
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06-04-2003, 01:13 PM
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