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Old 06-01-2003, 11:16 PM   #1
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anyone on here got a 2-link? any problems. any good/bad remarks about them. i wanna get the ssc 2-link any ideas/opionions or anything? thanks guys. just dont know to much about them. heard it was a good design tho
Old 06-01-2003, 11:26 PM   #2
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2 links are a bad design, stick with a 3 link wishbone or 4 link.
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in the process of installing my ssc 2link on a 1st gen, cheaper than a 4-link and more lift too, est. 12 inches. will keep ya informed
Old 06-02-2003, 12:01 AM   #4
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The reason that 2 links are a bad design is that they will throw off the pinion angle.
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in the process of installing my ssc 2link on a 1st gen, cheaper than a 4-link and more lift too, est. 12 inches. will keep ya informed
A four link can give as much lift as a two link. all you have to do is mount the bags on the bars. And as for cost, check with suicidedoors.com. I bet you find a four link set up, with bags on the bars ( giving lift similar to a two link ), and a cheaper price.
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2 links are extreamly bad, i know, i had one, and i am switching over to a 4 link, if you must have a 2 link get a wall thickness of over 0.120. i bent my 2 link like butter. I will get pic of my bent 2 link tommorrow.
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in the process of installing my ssc 2link on a 1st gen, cheaper than a 4-link and more lift too, est. 12 inches. will keep ya informed
um..I get like 10" out of my 4-link...and isn't that a 450$ 2-link? Why the hell would you pay almost 500$ for a 2-link when you can shell out the same kinda cash for a real setup?
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how did you bend it? and why are 2-links so wrong? cant you correct the pinion angle?
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how did you bend it? and why are 2-links so wrong? cant you correct the pinion angle?
With a 2 Link setup you can set the pinion angle to be fine at ride height, but because the axle is fixed to the bars, the pinion angle changes dramatically throughout the suspensions articulation.

On a 4 Link setup the pinion angle does not change as dramatically because the axle is not rigidly attached to the bars. It is hinged, therefore is rotates the pinion angle _MUCH_ less.

I can drive my truck (as seen above) at any height and I don't get even the slightest hint of driveshaft vibrations.
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in the process of installing my ssc 2link on a 1st gen, cheaper than a 4-link and more lift too, est. 12 inches. will keep ya informed

I spent much less than $450 on my 4 Link (approximately $350 including my Slam Specialties bags) and I get just as much (if not more) lift. That SSC 2 Link doesn't even include a panhard bar, and regardless of what they tell you it is _necessary_ to have a panhard bar with that setup.
Old 06-02-2003, 11:49 AM   #11
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I love how everyone who is hate'n on the 2link has never owned one....
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I love how everyone who is hate'n on the 2link has never owned one....
I don't have to own one to know it's bad. Just the same way I don't have to slam my d!ck in the car door to know it will hurt...
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i had a 2 link, and now i'm back with springs, waitin for money to buy my 4 link
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3/4 of the trucks at shows are either rev. tri. 4linked or 2 linked. So tell me again why these setups don't work? PLEASE!
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I'm hatin on a 500$ 2-link that's made from 2 pieces of box tube and some 1/4" plate...80$ worth of material at most. If somebody's so dead set on a 2-link, build your own...don't pay that kind of money for one. I'm not gonna get into another 400000 post arguement of WHY 2-links are not the best way to go...We've been over this one before. I sure as hell wouldn't pay 500$ for one though...
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3/4 of the trucks at shows are either rev. tri. 4linked or 2 linked. So tell me again why these setups don't work? PLEASE!

We've been through this a million times... Most Show trucks = Trailer Trucks... They don't always do what is fundamentally best, but instead what will _look_ best or is easiest to do...This is not an argument which validates the fundamentals of 2 Links and reversed 4 Links.

Oh yeah...

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3/4 of the trucks at shows are either rev. tri. 4linked or 2 linked. So tell me again why these setups don't work? PLEASE!
No one has said they don't work. We are just pointing out a better way, and possibly a cheaper way. Isn't that the minitrucker way that you always preach.

And how many make it to shows has nothing to do with this. At the last show I went to, mine was the only one with an independent. And I don't think any one will argue that is the best way to go. So why isn't there more ? Doing things right takes a little more thought and skill. Anyone can cobble together something that works OK.
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i had a 2 link, and now i'm back with springs, waitin for money to buy my 4 link
Why don't you explain to the audience why you went back to springs until you buy your 4 Link? You were obviously dissatisfied with your 2 Link, so help save other from the same problems.
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LMFAO i have a levered 2 link with panhard bar (basically 3 link) get 15" of lift and my pinion angle doesnt change at all? all of my friends have 2 links with panhards too, so i dont know what u guys' big deal with them...

Just remember IFCustoms use 2 links all day long. And they cut the eyelet off of the leaf spring. IF u dont believe me (.....) call em...
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A two link with a panhard bar is not a three link. A three link has two lower bars and one upper bar. The panhard bar does not count in the number of links. Just the same as a parallel four link with a panhard is not a 5 link.

It is impossible to have a two link without having pinion angle changes... think about it... the bars move in an arc. And the pinion angle moves in that same arc. For those that don;t understand, grab a pencil. hold one end stationary, and move the other up and down. notice how it swings in an arc ? that is what a two link does ( and a four link does too. but the rear end pivots on a four link ). And with the rear end firmly mounted to the two link bar, the pinion angle changes, same as the bar angle changes, as it moves up and down.

If you contest this eyepoppin', explain how you got yours to not change.
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um...that's not a 3-link..a 3-link has hinged points on both ends of the bars...not a solid mount to the axle...you have a "properly" set up 2-link. And your pinion angle has to change...

As for the IF thing, welding to spring steel is NEVER a good idea...it will eventually fail...just because it works for now doesnt make it right. That weld will eventually give because the steel around it is now brittle. Isn't it kinda sad that a "real" shop recycles spring eyes instead of shelling out an extra buck or so for some steel tube?
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Why don't you explain to the audience why you went back to springs until you buy your 4 Link? You were obviously dissatisfied with your 2 Link, so help save other from the same problems.
Ok, I will. 2 links are verybad, they throw off your pinion angle, and dont even think about running one with out a panhard, just because ssc makes it with a brace doesnt make it a good design, and you still get bushing flex, take it from someone who built a 2 link, dont do it, and save for a 4 link
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I love how everyone who is hate'n on the 2link has never owned one....
In 98 before I came to work at AirRide, I had a two link on a 98 Crew Cab 1-ton. I had it on there for about 1 week and took it off to go back to an 8" Bell Tech drop.

Tony....
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True life confessions from two former two link owners...
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ok so you guys are all saying how the two link can throw off the pinion angle dramtically when laid or lifted. at ride height the pinion angle is normal, correct? well i live in pa, basically put the roads are about as bumpy as my balls. therefore crusing at a lower height is almost impossible especially in my town. ride height would be my standard height except dragging or when i park it. so why is the pinion angle a big deal? i mean if im driving at ride height 90% of the time whats the matter with the 2-link. and whats the difference between a panhard and the brace ssc has? also does the pinion angle **** up things when only dropped that 10% of the time? i dont abuse my truck like a i know some people do. anybody on here actually installed the ssc two-link and have any comments on it or pictures?
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Tony or Larry can go more indepth as to why pot holes are bad for two links as well
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they arent potholes. haha the raods are just eneven. like if you layed it down low you would be driving and it would scrape every now and then. the roads are like "warped"
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A bad pinion angle can cause a few things...first of all you will have the annoying vibrations. It can also lead to failure of u-joints and pinion bearings. Even driving with it incorrect for 1% of the time is bad. All it takes is one second to ruin a u-joint or pinion bearing.

As far as the brace/panhard bar question, that brace does absolutely nothing. Your axle already rigidly ties the two bars together...The brace is merely redundant...

A panhard bar locates an axle laterally (side to side with respect to the frame).
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2 link dont also allow for good s/s
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sure they do...they twist at the connection points (spring perch, axle plate) and right in the middle of the bars till something breaks...then you get MAD sides..
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sweet thrown sides with a broken axel, i got to get me one of them
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YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR unless you paid 500$ for a 2-link...then you just got screwed...

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SO YOU HAVE TO PAY 500 BUCKS FOR A 2-LINK FOR IT TO BE A GOOD ONE............I BETTER STOP BUYING STUFF ON SALE, SINCE ITS NOT WORTHY UNLESS ITS FULL PRICE. YOUR POST WAS LAME
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SO YOU HAVE TO PAY 500 BUCKS FOR A 2-LINK FOR IT TO BE A GOOD ONE............I BETTER STOP BUYING STUFF ON SALE, SINCE ITS NOT WORTHY UNLESS ITS FULL PRICE. YOUR POST WAS LAME
That was pretty much the point of low-blazer post....He was stating that no matter how cheap a 2 link is, it is not worth having one. Basing your purchase solely on cost instead of function is ridiculous. It would be one thing to compare prices of two nearly identical 4 links and selecting the cheaper one. But settling for an inferior design in the name of cost is another story. However paying $500 for a 2 Link (which is way more than most 4 Links) is even more ridiculous...

And as for his post being lame, it was very clear to the majority of people what he was saying....What's really lame is typing in all caps...
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whatever you say. i could really care less what kind of point was being made. the point i was trying to make is if someone WAS going to spend 500 on a 2 -link-i was trying to save them a bunch of money by letting them have mine for near nothing because in my opinion that is what it is worth.NEAR NOTHING. I WAS NOT TRYING TO GET IN SOME LITTLE SHITTING MATCH ABOUT WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DON`T. i won`t try to help out again.
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i wonder what kind of pissing match i could get going if i want a a reverse 2link??.....hmmmmmm