how much?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-17-2008, 04:34 AM

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o and i also dont understand how its going to rub the inside of my fender if i ever get it lowered the 3.5" maybe 4". i have 5.5" on the outside of the fender, where im wanting it to sit, but it is 8 inches on the inside of the fender where the tire would tuck under.

i guess im just not understanding and im getting frustrated and wanting to just say screw it, its staying the way it is now. no lowering, just 22"s on it!

yes you have 5.5" of clearance, but as you turn the wheel and it rotates inside the fender well the inner fenders get closer to it. As your blazer sits now they will be closer to the tire at full lock (from say the left side of the drivers tire to the left side of the drivers inner fender. It will stay the same distance from the top of the tire to the top of the inner fender

steve0o09 · 08-17-2008, 04:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ZQ8 Blazer

Where the rim bolts to the hub is the part they will remove and that will sit it in closer to the truck. They can only remove so much because it will weaken the wheel when they remove too much, they should know how much to take out though, they may not can make the BS where it needs to be, but they can make it better.

so they actually cut my rim?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-17-2008, 04:43 AM

That's what machining is and it's done to perfection, the wheels you have now been machined.

steve0o09 · 08-17-2008, 04:49 AM

icic. well hopefully soon i can get around and try to find some shops to do this work for me and see if i even have enough money. i may just end up waiting until next summer to do this stuff. winter is coming up soon and i have to take my rims off anyways.

thanks for all the info, you have been a huge help
steven

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-17-2008, 04:49 AM

Take this crude drawing I made. On the left is a stock height vehicle, notice how far the tire is from the inner fender, but notice that the back sides of the tire are closer to the inner fender than the front sides, and when you turn they'll be even closer.

Now notice pic #2 the vehicle has been dropped and the tires got wider, because the wheel is in the same spot, but the inner fender came down closer to the ground so now the same spots on the fender that were by the top of the tire are now by the middle of it. Notice how the back sides of the tire are a lot closer to the inner fender than the fronts, and the same applies they'll get closer when you turn. Do you understand now?
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ZQ8 Blazer · 08-17-2008, 04:51 AM

Winter is the best time to do mods and it's very smart that you're running stockers in the winter, where do you live?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-17-2008, 04:56 AM

To drop yours 3.5/4 it's gonna run around $500 aligned and uninstalled, but it'll ride better than stock if you spend that much on it.

In comparison you could drop it 1.5/2 for about $140 aligned if you wanted though.

You could drop it 3/4 for about $250, but it'll ride a lot rougher.

Ok here is a pic from the side of the truck. On the left is stock height and on the right is dropped. There is a red line running across both pics, lets say that the red line represents where the wheel wells are pictured in the 1st diagram above. Notice how on the dropped truck the tires are a lot closer to the inner fenders than on the stock height one.

steve0o09 · 08-18-2008, 03:00 PM

yeah the guy that i was going to get it done by said he would do any size drop for my blazer for $450 with an alignment and the cost of labor in that price. i would still like to do the work myself, that way i can learn how to do it.

i live in central illinois, so we get lots of snow, and lots of salt on the roads. so i figured i will change them out every winter. thinking about even getting some winter tires? i think i understand the drawings. thanks for those.

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-18-2008, 05:37 PM

NP, $450 is pretty high to drop something in my opinion especially if he's not notching anything out back. Around here coil/block drops run about $100.

steve0o09 · 08-18-2008, 08:10 PM

yeah i dont think im going to have him do anything for me now. im just going to do the work myself and order the parts myself.

since im going to do this stuff over winter and ill have my stock tires on, what would be the maximum drop for those? the tires are 9.5" and are 235X70X16. next summer i may just go ahead and get something that will fit the drop. instead of dropping it to fit my wheels, ill do it the other way around.

thanks
steven

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 12:25 AM

I was @ 3" with that size tire, that's as low as I could go

steve0o09 · 08-19-2008, 12:58 AM

is there a list of all the parts that i need to bag it somewhere? i think im just going to wait until winter and bag it instead of dropping it. ill just buy all the parts and install it myself.

steven

eutechnyx · 08-19-2008, 01:09 AM

also the lower you get to the rim/tire its going to suck when you go over big bumps and pulling into steep driveways and stuff,i dropped my last blazer just 3 inches in the rear with 22s and when i pulled into the driveway that i have which is very steep my tires rubbed the hell outta my fenderlips because of the way the rear suspension does,if i pulled in at a slant one tire would rub and one wouldnt i would of hated to have anymore than that,going over big quick dips with the front lowered that low will rub the tires everytime

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 01:12 AM

^ bend your fender lips

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 01:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by steve0o09

is there a list of all the parts that i need to bag it somewhere? i think im just going to wait until winter and bag it instead of dropping it. ill just buy all the parts and install it myself.

steven

Trust me it's a lot more money 6,000 or more for a good kit installed on your Blazer. There's A LOT to do and a lot of work involved, i.e. tubbing the firewall, making new inner fenders, tubbin the rear, notching it, cutting out the floor, redoing the floor,clearancing the front of the frame for bags, that's just the harder stuff.

steve0o09 · 08-19-2008, 04:29 AM

is that with labor? or is that just parts? will it be anymore money if i want to keep my a/c and backseat?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 06:05 AM

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can keep your A/C on 20's. That's how much it would run buy the stuff and help install it, if you don't do anything I'd say 5500 to 8000. That's for a good setup done right.

steve0o09 · 08-19-2008, 01:32 PM

well i read somewhere that somebody still had his a/c and back seat. i have it bookmarked on my comp. i liked it so much. he had 20/22 combo. exactly why cant i have a/c? does it need to be taken out, or does it just get disconnected?

is it possible for me to just bag the front, and put blocks in the back for right now? then just do the back when i got the cash? do i have enough to bag the front?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 01:46 PM

Well he kept his A/C because he just had 20's. The wheels will interfere with the A/C box which is attached to the firewall. Keep in mind that with 20/22 combo you can't rotate them.

You can just bag the front although I'd rather do it all at once. Do you have enough what?

steve0o09 · 08-19-2008, 03:25 PM

is $2k enough to bag just the front? can i just move the a/c box somewhere else? or does it need to be where it is?

eutechnyx · 08-19-2008, 03:29 PM

you can bag the front with $700 from suicidedoors.com

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-19-2008, 08:20 PM

Yeah front is cheaper, but still's gonna cost you more than $700 when you factor in relocating everything, tubbing, and new fenders.

You can't relocate the a/c, well you can, but it'll cost a lot for the kit and it's a lot of work to get it working right.

steve0o09 · 08-21-2008, 01:50 AM

well ive got more then $700 to play around with right now, so i think im going to go with that route. then next summer get the back done.

what size block do you think i should put in the back for now?

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-21-2008, 01:58 AM

Pull a leaf and get some 3" angled blocks or JTR blocks if you want to do it right, don't get a 4" block they're POS.

eutechnyx · 08-21-2008, 02:23 AM

Yeah We did a 3 inch block and pull a leaf technique and got like 6 inches on my old 4x4 blazer it was sick lol,oh and as for ac you can buy a hot rod ac system with heater and all for like $400 it goes under the dash and comes with a really small ac compressor and everything its for hot rods and old schools that didnt have ac from factory thats what im doin but thats only because the previous owner ripped all the ac components out when they were planning for a v8 swap so when i did my swap i just left the firewall smoothed and figured id do ac later on

ZQ8 Blazer · 08-21-2008, 05:45 AM

^That was the A/C system I was referring to, but it's a lot of work to do on a newer vehicle. Why can't you just get a stock A/C system?

I think you pulled the wrong leaf, the one right under the main one will give you like a 3" drop and the one above the overload gives you a 1.5" to 1.75" drop. It's not safe to pull the one under the main leaf.

08-17-2008, 04:34 AM	#51
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Quote: o and i also dont understand how its going to rub the inside of my fender if i ever get it lowered the 3.5" maybe 4". i have 5.5" on the outside of the fender, where im wanting it to sit, but it is 8 inches on the inside of the fender where the tire would tuck under. i guess im just not understanding and im getting frustrated and wanting to just say screw it, its staying the way it is now. no lowering, just 22"s on it! yes you have 5.5" of clearance, but as you turn the wheel and it rotates inside the fender well the inner fenders get closer to it. As your blazer sits now they will be closer to the tire at full lock (from say the left side of the drivers tire to the left side of the drivers inner fender. It will stay the same distance from the top of the tire to the top of the inner fender
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08-17-2008, 04:40 AM	#52
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Quote: Originally Posted by ZQ8 Blazer Where the rim bolts to the hub is the part they will remove and that will sit it in closer to the truck. They can only remove so much because it will weaken the wheel when they remove too much, they should know how much to take out though, they may not can make the BS where it needs to be, but they can make it better. so they actually cut my rim?
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08-17-2008, 04:43 AM	#53
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? That's what machining is and it's done to perfection, the wheels you have now been machined.
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08-17-2008, 04:49 AM	#54
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? icic. well hopefully soon i can get around and try to find some shops to do this work for me and see if i even have enough money. i may just end up waiting until next summer to do this stuff. winter is coming up soon and i have to take my rims off anyways. thanks for all the info, you have been a huge help steven
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08-17-2008, 04:49 AM	#55
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Take this crude drawing I made. On the left is a stock height vehicle, notice how far the tire is from the inner fender, but notice that the back sides of the tire are closer to the inner fender than the front sides, and when you turn they'll be even closer. Now notice pic #2 the vehicle has been dropped and the tires got wider, because the wheel is in the same spot, but the inner fender came down closer to the ground so now the same spots on the fender that were by the top of the tire are now by the middle of it. Notice how the back sides of the tire are a lot closer to the inner fender than the fronts, and the same applies they'll get closer when you turn. Do you understand now? [IMG]file:///C:/Users/JUSTIN%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]
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08-17-2008, 04:51 AM	#56
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Winter is the best time to do mods and it's very smart that you're running stockers in the winter, where do you live?
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08-17-2008, 04:56 AM	#57
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? To drop yours 3.5/4 it's gonna run around $500 aligned and uninstalled, but it'll ride better than stock if you spend that much on it. In comparison you could drop it 1.5/2 for about $140 aligned if you wanted though. You could drop it 3/4 for about $250, but it'll ride a lot rougher. Ok here is a pic from the side of the truck. On the left is stock height and on the right is dropped. There is a red line running across both pics, lets say that the red line represents where the wheel wells are pictured in the 1st diagram above. Notice how on the dropped truck the tires are a lot closer to the inner fenders than on the stock height one. Last edited by ZQ8 Blazer : 08-17-2008 at 04:58 AM.
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08-18-2008, 03:00 PM	#58
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? yeah the guy that i was going to get it done by said he would do any size drop for my blazer for $450 with an alignment and the cost of labor in that price. i would still like to do the work myself, that way i can learn how to do it. i live in central illinois, so we get lots of snow, and lots of salt on the roads. so i figured i will change them out every winter. thinking about even getting some winter tires? i think i understand the drawings. thanks for those.
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08-18-2008, 05:37 PM	#59
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? NP, $450 is pretty high to drop something in my opinion especially if he's not notching anything out back. Around here coil/block drops run about $100.
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08-18-2008, 08:10 PM	#60
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? yeah i dont think im going to have him do anything for me now. im just going to do the work myself and order the parts myself. since im going to do this stuff over winter and ill have my stock tires on, what would be the maximum drop for those? the tires are 9.5" and are 235X70X16. next summer i may just go ahead and get something that will fit the drop. instead of dropping it to fit my wheels, ill do it the other way around. thanks steven
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08-19-2008, 12:25 AM	#61
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? I was @ 3" with that size tire, that's as low as I could go
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08-19-2008, 12:58 AM	#62
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? is there a list of all the parts that i need to bag it somewhere? i think im just going to wait until winter and bag it instead of dropping it. ill just buy all the parts and install it myself. steven
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08-19-2008, 01:09 AM	#63
eutechnyx Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 833 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? also the lower you get to the rim/tire its going to suck when you go over big bumps and pulling into steep driveways and stuff,i dropped my last blazer just 3 inches in the rear with 22s and when i pulled into the driveway that i have which is very steep my tires rubbed the hell outta my fenderlips because of the way the rear suspension does,if i pulled in at a slant one tire would rub and one wouldnt i would of hated to have anymore than that,going over big quick dips with the front lowered that low will rub the tires everytime
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08-19-2008, 01:12 AM	#64
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? ^ bend your fender lips
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08-19-2008, 01:18 AM	#65
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Quote: Originally Posted by steve0o09 is there a list of all the parts that i need to bag it somewhere? i think im just going to wait until winter and bag it instead of dropping it. ill just buy all the parts and install it myself. steven Trust me it's a lot more money 6,000 or more for a good kit installed on your Blazer. There's A LOT to do and a lot of work involved, i.e. tubbing the firewall, making new inner fenders, tubbin the rear, notching it, cutting out the floor, redoing the floor,clearancing the front of the frame for bags, that's just the harder stuff.
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08-19-2008, 04:29 AM	#66
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? is that with labor? or is that just parts? will it be anymore money if i want to keep my a/c and backseat?
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08-19-2008, 06:05 AM	#67
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? I may be wrong, but I don't think you can keep your A/C on 20's. That's how much it would run buy the stuff and help install it, if you don't do anything I'd say 5500 to 8000. That's for a good setup done right.
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08-19-2008, 01:32 PM	#68
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? well i read somewhere that somebody still had his a/c and back seat. i have it bookmarked on my comp. i liked it so much. he had 20/22 combo. exactly why cant i have a/c? does it need to be taken out, or does it just get disconnected? is it possible for me to just bag the front, and put blocks in the back for right now? then just do the back when i got the cash? do i have enough to bag the front?
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08-19-2008, 01:46 PM	#69
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Well he kept his A/C because he just had 20's. The wheels will interfere with the A/C box which is attached to the firewall. Keep in mind that with 20/22 combo you can't rotate them. You can just bag the front although I'd rather do it all at once. Do you have enough what?
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08-19-2008, 03:25 PM	#70
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? is $2k enough to bag just the front? can i just move the a/c box somewhere else? or does it need to be where it is?
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08-19-2008, 03:29 PM	#71
eutechnyx Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 833 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? you can bag the front with $700 from suicidedoors.com
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08-19-2008, 08:20 PM	#72
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Yeah front is cheaper, but still's gonna cost you more than $700 when you factor in relocating everything, tubbing, and new fenders. You can't relocate the a/c, well you can, but it'll cost a lot for the kit and it's a lot of work to get it working right.
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08-21-2008, 01:50 AM	#73
steve0o09 Registered User Age: 17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 108 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? well ive got more then $700 to play around with right now, so i think im going to go with that route. then next summer get the back done. what size block do you think i should put in the back for now?
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08-21-2008, 01:58 AM	#74
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Pull a leaf and get some 3" angled blocks or JTR blocks if you want to do it right, don't get a 4" block they're POS.
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08-21-2008, 02:23 AM	#75
eutechnyx Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 833 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: how much? Yeah We did a 3 inch block and pull a leaf technique and got like 6 inches on my old 4x4 blazer it was sick lol,oh and as for ac you can buy a hot rod ac system with heater and all for like $400 it goes under the dash and comes with a really small ac compressor and everything its for hot rods and old schools that didnt have ac from factory thats what im doin but thats only because the previous owner ripped all the ac components out when they were planning for a v8 swap so when i did my swap i just left the firewall smoothed and figured id do ac later on
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08-21-2008, 05:45 AM	#76
ZQ8 Blazer I.G.'s FTW! Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,328 Location: Western, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: how much? ^That was the A/C system I was referring to, but it's a lot of work to do on a newer vehicle. Why can't you just get a stock A/C system? I think you pulled the wrong leaf, the one right under the main one will give you like a 3" drop and the one above the overload gives you a 1.5" to 1.75" drop. It's not safe to pull the one under the main leaf.
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