how much?

[steve0o09]

alright, i asked this before but i thought i would ask again. i just got my 22" boss 304's on my 2001 2WD 2DR blazer. i really like the rims, but it definitely needs to be dropped here soon! i was planning on only doing a 3/4 drop, but i want my tires to be right on my wheel well. and i measured it and its 6 inches in the front. is a 6 inch drop going to be too much with my 22"s???

thanks
steven

ps. if it is, what are my other options? if any?

[ZQ8 Blazer]

There is absolutely no way on Earth to answer that question w/o knowing
your tire size. What's your backspacing?

No one makes a 6" drop for the front and there is no way even 20" wheel would work with a 6" drop.

I think 22's are not proportionate to the Blazers unless they're laid out.

20's would look much much much better and depending on tire size you could do a 4/5 or a 5/6 and that would look MUCH better. You'll still be too high, just have less fender gap.


So tell me your tire size, or better yet sell the 22's and get 20's



Ok assuming you have 265/35/22 which is what most people that drop something on 22's uses then that is 14.7" from the center of the hub to the top of the tire. In comparison a 255/35/20 is 13.5" that's a 1.2" difference, which is a big difference when dropping something.

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Still watching that after school special?

[ZQ8 Blazer]

It's taking a long time are you getting any

[steve0o09]

lol school hasnt started yet, im just sleeping!!

but the tires are 255/30. i would really like my wheel well to be sitting right on top of my tire. im beginning to think about this in my head with logic and not just "its gonna look nice" and im thinking i wont be able to do it. i REALLY want to just bag it, but i dont have that money right now.

i have little to no experience with this stuff, so any help would be great!
steven

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Ok I'm just going to reply to this thread and answer your questions here.

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i measured it and its 6 inches in the front.

6" where?

Ok those tires are 30.4" tall or 15.2" from the center of the hub to the top of the tire, which is what you go by when the wheels are on the vehicle and on the ground. My Blazer was 31" from the ground to the fender lip before I dropped it. If they're rubbing now then they're going to be rubbing more when it's dropped.

If you want to lower it get different wheels/tires. Mine is dropped 4/4.5 and I can BARELY fit a 245/40/20 which is 13.9 from the center of the hub to the top and that's with correct backspacing.

That guy has no idea what he's talking about and I wouldn't even let him rotate your wheels.

Most large wheels rub the frame, I've only had one set and they rubbed and have been told that it's like that on most of them. Here's what you can do, leave the truck on the ground and turn your wheels all the way and measure the closest points from the tire to the inner fender, that'll kind of give you an idea, but you don't want to lower it unless you either have a small tire or 20's, I'd go with 20's.

Again post pics of it here.

[steve0o09]

it is 6" from the top of my tire, to the closest part of my wheel well (where i want my tire to sit at).

i will take pics of it later if you want, but i just went out and measured it. my tires are 27.5" tall with rim and tire, so the center to the top is 13.75". my blazer right now without a drop on the rims sits exactly 33" tall. they only rub when my wheel is COMPLETELY turned either direction. other then that, they do not rob what so ever.

if my measurements are correct, then i could do the same 4/4.5 drop as you and still have an extra .2" than you correct?

i am going into work here in 15 minutes, so i dont have time to take pics. but i will definitely take them tomorrow and post them here. BUT EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU WANTING PICTURES OF? where they rub? my measurements?

thanks
steven

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Quote:

my tires are 27.5" tall with rim and tire, so the center to the top is 13.75"

No it's not, the entire weight of the vehicle is on the tires so they won't be as tall as they are off of the vehicle, so you have to only measure from the center of the hub to the top of the tire. Anyway I was going by the other thread where you said they were 355/30 which they probably don't make..... ANYWAY that makes A LOT more since to me.

255/30/22=28" or 14" from the hub to the top of the tire.
I got this by doing this calculation:
255 x 30 / 2540 x 2 + 22 = 28" and then / 2 to get the size from the center to the top.

The 245/40 is 13.9" now a 4" drop will work, but still rub at full lock and hit the inner fenders on bumps which isn't a big deal, but that is with the right backspacing, but it sounds like you have the wrong backspacing, which makes your wheels stick out too far. If you had the correct backspacing and still had those tires you have now you could run a 4" drop, but I'd start with 2" spindles and ZQ8 coils up front which would drop you 3.5" up front.

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they only rub when my wheel is COMPLETELY turned either direction. other then that, they do not rob what so ever.

Don't worry about the wheel only rubbing at full lock

Quote:

BUT EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU WANTING PICTURES OF? where they rub? my measurements?

I'm wanting pics of each side of the fender/wheel up front.

Go out and measure from the center of your hub to the bottom center of the fenderlip and post it here.

I think you've got the wrong backspacing which makes your wheel stick out too far.

[eutechnyx]

Damn 6" thats alot ive only got about 3" with 24s wrapped in 255 30's in the front

[ZQ8 Blazer]

^yeah, but both of yuse guys got donks

[steve0o09]

alright your right! i didnt think about the car weight. it is 14" from center to top of the tire. exactly what is backspacing?

so with my 22's could i still do the 4" drop? i went out a re-measured it and it looks to be closer to 5" from my wheel to wheel well. so a 4" drop would be good enough for more.

and is there a reason that my driver side is lower then the passenger side? its 34" on passenger side, and 33.5" on the driver side ONLY IN THE FRONT! the back is both 35" (i think, ill double check tomorrow).

thanks for all the help, and ill get some pics early tomorrow.
steven

[eutechnyx]

dude you wont get a 4" drop forget about it trust me if it was doable id have my dropped right now,you CAN cut into the firewall alot and pull it off though but youre better off just getting the bagcup special on SD for like 199 and getting a comp and tank and shit thats what im doing its easy and alot better than cutting your firewall all up to turn with a static drop

[steve0o09]

i would love to bag it, but i have no idea how to do it. i would love to have someone experience come over and work on it with me. but theres a few things, ive only got about $2k right now to spend and its almost winter here in central illinois and i dont have any garage space right now.

so not even a 4/4.5 drop would fit? would it be possible to fully bag my blazer for about 2k?

thanks
steven

[eutechnyx]

It could be possible to bag it for 2k but it would be cheap components and youd have to do it yourself to save the money which requires alot of time and knowledge or youll end up with a hackjob.

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Don't even think about 2K, it'll cost waaaay more.

Backspacing is the part of the wheel that touches the hub measured to the back of the wheel. You'll have to take a wheel off to get the backspacing. If you had the correct backspacing you could be able to run a 22, but you do not have the right backspacing. Even if you did it'd still rub a little as a 245/40/20 will rub a little and your tires are a tenth of an inch higher from the center of the hub up

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Quote: Originally Posted by eutechnyx

dude you wont get a 4" drop forget about it trust me if it was doable id have my dropped right now,you CAN cut into the firewall alot and pull it off though but youre better off just getting the bagcup special on SD for like 199 and getting a comp and tank and shit thats what im doing its easy and alot better than cutting your firewall all up to turn with a static drop

The 98 plus Blazers sit like 1.5 - 2" higher than S10's from the factory.

[steve0o09]

so is fixing my backspacing something that i could do, or does that need to be taken into the shop? i have no experience but my dad is a mechanic. mainly for large equipment like dump trucks and stuff but he has a good idea about normal cars as well.

about how much would it cost for a good bag set up for a daily driving car?

[ZQ8 Blazer]

My friend just dumped about $5500 installed for his and yours would be more work.

You can take billet and I think machined wheels to a machine shop but chrome will flake off.

22's are way to big for a Blazer that isn't bagged sell them and get 20's then drop it, It'll look 1,000,000 times better

[steve0o09]

i really like the 22"s, i dont think they are too big. plus, there is no way i will be able to sell them! i just bought them 2 days ago, and when i ran all this by my dad (im 17) he got somewhat pissed off. so i dont think that selling them is an option.

what is the maximum drop i can do with the 22's on without any major work or problems?

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Well just offhand I'd guess 1" but they'll rub more you've got the wrong backspacing

[steve0o09]

well i mean if i get the backspacing fixed. then what would the max drop be?

[ZQ8 Blazer]

If you get it fixed to 4.5" which by the way isn't cheap you could go 3.5 and MAYBE 4" butI'd go 3.5" it'll still ride like stock.

[steve0o09]

well thanks, i really appreciate all of this help. i am trying to look this stuff up and learn by myself, i just cant find what im wanting and end up looking at other stuff with all the sweet pics. lol

i know there is a chart (at least i think) that shows the backspacing. is that how you know that i need a 4.5" backspace? could i see this chart if you have it on hand?

is my spacing too much or too little? i had these rims/tires mounted in a shop by "professionals" so is this something that they should have done for me? if it is then ill just take it back there and make them fix it for free! if its not something they do, then what all will be needed to fix it?

thanks again for all this help, you have been a big help
steven

[ZQ8 Blazer]

NP
There's a chart somewhere, but I just know that 4.5" is perfect. you have to little backspacing that's why your wheel sticks out too far and rubs at stock height
it.

I worked at a tire shop a long time ago and I knew more than guys that had been there for 10 years, so no they shouldn't have known about the backspacing and probably don't even know what that is. I've owned 2 show trucks one of which was in some mags, I now have my Blazer, there's alot I've learned, mostly self taught, but before you do anything to your ride you need to educate yourself, I've got $640 in my drop kit and it rides better than stock, these Blazers cost more to drop than s10's if you want to go lower than 3"

Got any pics of your Blazer w/ the wheels on it?

[steve0o09]

alright, well my dad said that we can check out my backspacing tomorrow night.

i tried taking a pic with the tape measurer up to the wheel, but i cant hold it and stand far enough back to take the pic. so i got one without the tape measurer. i can take one tomorow, with my dad helping me hold it while i take it if you still need it. heres the pic.

[steve0o09]

heres a pic showing where my measurements are, that i have pre-measured and just drew on. lol, let me know if this works or not.

[steve0o09]

i just found this website talking about backspacing. https://www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html#backspace

do i need to literally take the rim off of the tire??????

thanks
steven

[ZQ8 Blazer]

No you don't have to take the tire off, but I looked it up and your backspacing is 5.810 which is 1.31" from the idea backspacing for your Blazer. You should be able to get those Boss's machined down, but a shop would know more about that than me.

Also it doesn't look as if they're rubbing your inner fenders, probably just the frame, are there any places on the inner fenders that you can see bare metal where the black paint has wore off?

If it's just rubbing the frame then I'd drop it 3.5" up front, but before you do anything turn the wheels as far as they'll go both ways and look to see how close you are to rubbing the inner fenders.

Do the wheels stick out any passed the fenders when they're turned straight?

[steve0o09]

this time i looked for myself, and no there is no where that the tires rub on the inside of the fender. last time i had my friend look and he said it did, but it doesnt, just the frame.

when i turn my wheels all the way to the right, the drivers side tire is about half an inch away from the inside fender. but the passenger side tire is fine either way i turn it. there is about 1 inch of space between the tire and fender no matter how i turn on the passenger side.

when my wheels are completely straight, they looked to be pretty much capable of going into the fender. but it might be a close one. im not wanting the tires to go in there though, so does that matter too much?

if i do end up fixing the backspacing problem, then can i lower it more? because if i do 3.5" drop in front, that is still 2.5 inches taller then where i would like it.

steven

[ZQ8 Blazer]

Ok with that big of a wheel/tire combo and that backspacing it's gonna rub when you lower it, it won't rub the frame anymore though, you'll just lose a little turning radius because it will be rubbing the inner fenders. You can take a rubber mallet and beat it up some where it rubs to gain a little extra turning radius, but it won't give you much more. With that backspacing you'll probably also have to roll the tops of the inner fender lips as well.

So here's what I'd suggest you'd do:
Get Xtreme or ZQ8 coils which will drop it 1.5" and a belltech lean spacer, GM's trucks sits lower on the drivers side that's why you have less clearance on that side, a lean spacer just raises that side up some to even things out. Once you install that then turn the wheels and see how close/bad they rub the inner fenders. From there you can decide to take it down to a 2", 3", or 3.5" drop, but I don't think you'll be able to go much lower than 1.5" with the current BS, but I may be wrong. You can get a ZQ8 coil off ebay for $30-$70 shipped

There's no way you'll be able to do a 6" drop up front, they don't even make that. If they did you'd only be able to drive straight. If you get the BS fixed you should be able to do a 3.5" drop and MAYBE a 4", but it'll be cutting it very close.

[steve0o09]

well i now have another problem!! i just found out that the back of my rim (the side that cant be seen normally) is getting scratched by something under my car.

[ZQ8 Blazer]

When it rubs the frame, no biggie just don't turn it as hard.

[steve0o09]

no its not that that im worried about. the back tires rub something. i looked and its the thing that holds the shocks on. my entire rim on the back sid