TunerCat Programmer Available....

**MKR** · 05-19-2005, 01:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by poconojoe

Why would you say, it's not very freindly? Show me some software, that is friendly, or is at least friendlier, that Tunercat's products, that have anywhere near the tuning capacity. I've been using their products for years and can't believe, that somebody would pay somebody else to tune their vehicle. I'll admite, that I haven't tried this product yet, but I will to reprogram the PCM, when I trade out the 2.2 for a 4.3 in my truck. So let us know what is more user friendly.

have you ever used HPTuners?

poconojoe · 05-19-2005, 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

have you ever used HPTuners?

No, but I had looked at there web site. The two biggest faults I see with their setup, they lock you in the number of vehicles you can program, without paying them more money and they charge for their updates, after 6 months. I don't do it for a living, but if somebody asks me to alter their maps or change a couple of switches or constants in a table, I don't want to have to go and buy a new license. TC has treated me well with their CATS Tuner package and unless something really jumps out at me, I think I'll buy their new one. Don't take this to mean, I have anything against HPTuner, but little brand loyalty, is something I think TC, deserves.

**MKR** · 05-20-2005, 11:29 AM

i own both. i have HP Tuners and Tuner Cat. HP Tuners doesn't vin lock or limit the number of vehicles you do. on top of that HP Tuners comes with it's own scanning/logging software. by the end of june i expect to own every def. file from Tunercat that's available. currently i have all 96-05 trucks in Tunercat. after i finish buying the Tunercat stuff i plan to do the same with HP Tuners.

poconojoe · 05-20-2005, 12:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

i own both. i have HP Tuners and Tuner Cat. HP Tuners doesn't vin lock or limit the number of vehicles you do. on top of that HP Tuners comes with it's own scanning/logging software. by the end of june i expect to own every def. file from Tunercat that's available. currently i have all 96-05 trucks in Tunercat. after i finish buying the Tunercat stuff i plan to do the same with HP Tuners.

I just looked according to their web site pricing structure, you have to pay for additional vehicles

VCM Suite Pricing Structure
VCM Suite Pro
2 Vehicle Types: $499
First 2 additional vehicle types: +$199 ea.
3'rd+ additional vehicle types: +$399 ea.
Enhanced IO Interface: +$150

Or am I reading it wrong and they mean different motors and years?

**MKR** · 05-20-2005, 12:55 PM

those are vehicle types.

you missed this.

VCM Suite is the most affordable tuning solution available. Add vehicle support as you go our purchase bulk vehicle types upfront and save money. Each vehicle type you purchase will allow you to reprogram any number of vehicles of that model and year. You are only "locked" to the model/years that you purchase.

poconojoe · 05-20-2005, 05:12 PM

I saw that, but it also said you were locked in to your cable and couldn't, use a different one. I will look at it before i decide to buy, By the way I didn't see S10's listed on their buy page. Other trucks but not sdimes.

**MKR** · 05-21-2005, 04:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by poconojoe

I saw that, but it also said you were locked in to your cable and couldn't, use a different one. I will look at it before i decide to buy, By the way I didn't see S10's listed on their buy page. Other trucks but not sdimes.

that's correct, s10's aren't on their list as of yet, the only point in the comparison is the ease of use of the software. almost any beginner can use hpt. tunercat on the other hand isn't for the beginner.

poconojoe · 05-21-2005, 06:11 AM

MKR, thanks for your input on this, since without it, I wouldn't even have given HP Tuner a sesond look, since I misunderstood, their pricing schedule and thought it locked you in to one vehicle, per purchase. When I'm ready to buy, I'll see if they've added S10's and compare the two. It's nice to have somebody with experiance with both pieces of software, instead of the normal one guy versing the other saying his is best.

PS Have you used CATS Tuner for OBD1 and if you have, how would you compare the ease of use to these two programs. Don't take having to burn a chip into it, since that's a limitation of the ECM, not the program. I feel fairly at ease using it, not that ,I bought it to make big horsepower, if fact I originally bought it to turn the VATS off on a TPI swap, since at the time everybody wanted $100 - $150, just to do that. I figured before paying that kind of money I'd try it myself.

**MKR** · 05-23-2005, 03:31 PM

i've used it, but don't own it as of this point. i plan to buy that before the end of the summer. before the end of the year i plan to be able to program every gm vehicle i can find software for. i found the software to be very similar to the obd2. the loading the new tune just being 10 times more work with the chip system.

qbnkiller · 05-23-2005, 07:24 PM

....unless the Moates adaptor/Ostrich system works out....we'll see when we start tuning mine

matthewp097033 · 06-02-2005, 01:50 PM

**MKR** · 06-02-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by matthewp097033

ssss

glad you got that off your chest.

j_gor78 · 06-06-2005, 03:09 PM

So I just recieved my tunercat today....I was wondering if it could copy a hypertech program...eg...i save the file that is allready in my pcm (hypertech) and then make changes on top of what's there??

Also if someone could tell me what I need to change to set it for the colder thermostat??

s10rz350 · 06-06-2005, 03:20 PM

Yes. I suggest you download the cfg with the hypertech tuning, unload the hypertech tuning from your pcm and grab a stock cfg as well. That way you have the original one to go back too.

As far as the stat tuning- besides being able to advance timing there is a parameter you can turn off if the stat is too cold (160 degree) so it doesnt throw a code. I dont have my tuning software here so I cant tell you specifically which one it is. Might want to compare the hypertech colder stat tuning to the stock cfg and see what the difference is.

j_gor78 · 06-06-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10rz350

Yes. I suggest you download the cfg with the hypertech tuning, unload the hypertech tuning from your pcm and grab a stock cfg as well. That way you have the original one to go back too.

As far as the stat tuning- besides being able to advance timing there is a parameter you can turn off if the stat is too cold (160 degree) so it doesnt throw a code. I dont have my tuning software here so I cant tell you specifically which one it is. Might want to compare the hypertech colder stat tuning to the stock cfg and see what the difference is.

So you think that it would copy it...that's pretty cool if it does!!

s10rz350 · 06-06-2005, 03:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78

So you think that it would copy it...that's pretty cool if it does!!

Of course it will.

gotswrv · 06-06-2005, 05:30 PM

Second that.
Done it.

j_gor78 · 06-06-2005, 05:32 PM

I was hoping it would..cause now I can sell my hypertech right away as it will be a few weeks before i can hit the dyno for a full tune....so being able to copy the hypertech makes my life good!!

gotswrv · 06-06-2005, 05:37 PM

Being able to compare the two is also very good for understanding what to change and how much makes a difference. If you can use the HPP to program different levels of fuel grade so it and save them. It should give a very good idea of how delicate some tables are.
I was not offered this with mine, I've heard there are octane specific tunes now.

sy-clone · 06-06-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by gotswrv

Being able to compare the two is also very good for understanding what to change and how much makes a difference. If you can use the HPP to program different levels of fuel grade so it and save them. It should give a very good idea of how delicate some tables are.I was not offered this with mine, I've heard there are octane specific tunes now.

Can these tables be obtained as an upgrade? PEACE>Tony

Verne · 06-06-2005, 08:14 PM

I could not get mine to copy the ECU with the hypertech installed also tried a buddies truck and it wouln't copy it either. Had to uninstall the one on my truck and go from there.

Verne

s10rz350 · 06-06-2005, 08:19 PM

thats odd. I had no problem with it. It is after all just changes to the existing tables.

Verne · 06-06-2005, 08:23 PM

Someone told me (cant remember who) that the hypertech locks the ECU so you wouldn't be able to copy it. It might have to do with it being a '97 model. The other truck I tried was also a '97. Who knows. If I can get my buddy at the shop to order one for testing I will try again.

Verne

***Jess*** · 06-06-2005, 11:45 PM

i have a limited copy of a hypertech tune. not problem reading it. but its not much of a tune. just tire size and gear.

gotswrv · 06-07-2005, 03:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by sy-clone

Can these tables be obtained as an upgrade? PEACE>Tony

Yah what Charlie said. Nothing new, just a recal. For a lot of people they don't know where to start when trying to get a few ponies outta a stock motor. Looking over a Hypertech save will show where to make simle tweak and give examples of reasonable amounts of change.

Tony, you do not want to do what Hypertech does. Probably the opposite in the same spots would be a good start.

j_gor78 · 06-13-2005, 02:18 PM

So I finally got to playing with the tunercat...and no torque management ROCKS!!!
Thanks to all you guys for your help.....

Now it's time to try and figure out how to tune for a granatelli....any ideas???

**MKR** · 06-14-2005, 02:13 PM

yes, you need to re-scale it for a maf of the same size.

j_gor78 · 06-14-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

yes, you need to re-scale it for a maf of the same size.

Any ideas as to what a comparable maf would be??

I have been reading up on ls1tech and other tuning sites...tuning for the maf seems to be a lot harder than it seems.

Any help so we can all figure this out will be valuable

gotswrv · 06-15-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78

Any ideas as to what a comparable maf would be??

I have been reading up on ls1tech and other tuning sites...tuning for the maf seems to be a lot harder than it seems.

Any help so we can all figure this out will be valuable

Get your current MAF tuned to very near right. WBO2 included. Then put on the new MAF. Tune the MAF to look like the old one did, off your fuel trims (assuming you have a feed back tool). Then check for upper airflows with the WBO2. If you do not have a feed back tool, like a logger or scanner, leave it alone...

Are you doing this on an S-10? If so what do you hope to gain? The MAF isn't a choking point at all.

Sam

j_gor78 · 06-15-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by gotswrv

Get your current MAF tuned to very near right. WBO2 included. Then put on the new MAF. Tune the MAF to look like the old one did, off your fuel trims (assuming you have a feed back tool). Then check for upper airflows with the WBO2. If you do not have a feed back tool, like a logger or scanner, leave it alone...

Are you doing this on an S-10? If so what do you hope to gain? The MAF isn't a choking point at all.

Sam

Get your current MAF tuned to very near right isn't very specific...what needs to be tuned?? what tables are involved???

This is all valuable information that we will need to have.....

your right the maf isn't a choking point but when you have a procharged s10 sitting in a garage not running cause of p101 (airflow out of range). Then the maf needs to be redone.

**MKR** · 06-15-2005, 03:37 PM

your maf should be tuned to one of the same size. most commonly the granatelli maf is the same size internally and externally as the maf from a full size. i'd recomend scaling your maf to the table from an L31.

sebast19 · 06-15-2005, 03:58 PM

Does it possible to see what is the hypertech 93 tuning parameter ?? Like spark advance and injector timing. Thanks.

Sébastien

**MKR** · 06-15-2005, 04:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sebast19

Does it possible to see what is the hypertech 93 tuning parameter ?? Like spark advance and injector timing. Thanks.

Sébastien

yes...

j_gor78 · 06-15-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

your maf should be tuned to one of the same size. most commonly the granatelli maf is the same size internally and externally as the maf from a full size. i'd recomend scaling your maf to the table from an L31.

Awesome that is what i needed to know

sebast19 · 06-15-2005, 08:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

yes...

Ok gentlemen , let me know when you have it
Thx
Sébast

gotswrv · 06-15-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sebast19

Ok gentlemen , let me know when you have it
Thx
Sébast

Shoot me an E-mail and I'll send a copy of a stock and HPPIII file so you can compare.

Sam
gotswrv@hotmail.com

j_gor78 · 06-15-2005, 08:33 PM

So I am going to use the maf map from a L31 like suggested for my granatelli...is there going to be any downside to this??

gotswrv · 06-15-2005, 08:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78

Get your current MAF tuned to very near right isn't very specific...what needs to be tuned?? what tables are involved???

This is all valuable information that we will need to have.....

your right the maf isn't a choking point but when you have a procharged s10 sitting in a garage not running cause of p101 (airflow out of range). Then the maf needs to be redone.

Make sure your fuel trims are correct. Near zero, mostly learn where they are. Then adjust the hz vs g/sec table to make the new MAF mimic the stock one. It's always good check this anyway ,as many time the stock settings can be off as the factory targets +/-10%. Most shoot for +/-5%. I like to see less than +/-1% correction.

Your P101 will still be an issue. You can tune the VE table to predict the correct airflow. Basically you record the measured airflow under boost and make the 105kPa(least vacuum) scale expect what is measured. OR, the more common and not as right way, would be to just change the allowed error table to accept measurements that are way off. As long as the ECU uses the meter for airflow, and not a fall back table, I suppose all is well.
This code means the ECU is seeing more airflow than expected at a given point on the VE table. Not that the meter is being overrun.
For you it sounds like you may be best off going to the allowed error table and multiply by your pressure ratio. [ (boost+atmosphere) / atmosphere = pressure ratio ]...[example (10psi+14.5)/14.5=1.69] Or a little more.

This same approach could be applied to the VE table but needs done on a slope for the procharger as the P/R is not a constant. Figure out a few points up the RPM to plot out about where you should be, then just drag then places in between to make a nice curve. Then check measured airflow against expected to fine tune.
These will all be on the highest line of vacuum as you'll be out of the MAP sensors range.

Hopefully that is enough to get you calmed down and started on the right path.

Sam

Edit: Just saw your new post.
It is good to start close(with a suggested table), but first verify the stock MAF is correct. Then you'll have something to compare to. You'll need to tune just about any aftermarket MAF in. I've not seen many that will just work right every time. Also even stock MAF have different tables from year to year.

1fast4by · 06-15-2005, 09:01 PM

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sebast19 · 06-16-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by gotswrv

Shoot me an E-mail and I'll send a copy of a stock and HPPIII file so you can compare.

Sam
gotswrv@hotmail.com

email was sent

**MKR** · 06-16-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78

So I am going to use the maf map from a L31 like suggested for my granatelli...is there going to be any downside to this??

this has been done on a couple of trucks and certainly made a difference in getting everything much closer to where it should be. i've never tuned anything yet that had that code come up though. does your blowoff vent out or does it recirc?

j_gor78 · 06-16-2005, 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

this has been done on a couple of trucks and certainly made a difference in getting everything much closer to where it should be. i've never tuned anything yet that had that code come up though. does your blowoff vent out or does it recirc?

The code is in the history it's just not throwing the light the blowoff vents

**MKR** · 06-16-2005, 10:33 PM

how often and what conditions does the code appear?

j_gor78 · 06-17-2005, 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MKR

how often and what conditions does the code appear?

The truck has only been driven for about 10 minutes since the blower install...it wasn't running very strong and acting weird...only about 5psi of boost on a 10lbs pulley...took it home read the codes got that code and it has been parked since....it has not been tuned...we were messing with the fmu but with no wideband...basically we decided to wait till we could get it on the dyno....i am hoping maybe you have some suggestions that might get it on the road sooner??

s10rz350 · 06-17-2005, 01:06 PM

Wheres the bov located?

calgaryss · 06-19-2005, 02:11 PM

I just my Tunercat software as well. I will have to get some runs in with the V8 truck so I can finish the head/rocker arm swap on the SS.

One project at a time...

I am amazed at the changeable parameters but, I can see that a wideband is in order.

hellbents10 · 06-20-2005, 02:21 PM

You are alive!!! OMG you have been busey?

calgaryss · 06-21-2005, 12:22 AM

Haha! Thanks for the welcome back HB.

I have been busy with my daughter and work primarily. The V8 truck has been my only wrenching outlet for over a year. The SS will be on the road this season....

hellbents10 · 06-22-2005, 12:49 PM

Cool homeboy, keep us updated.

98 SS · 09-06-2005, 12:04 PM

what ever happened with this?? anyone swapping files and info?

05-19-2005, 01:04 PM	#51
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by poconojoe Why would you say, it's not very freindly? Show me some software, that is friendly, or is at least friendlier, that Tunercat's products, that have anywhere near the tuning capacity. I've been using their products for years and can't believe, that somebody would pay somebody else to tune their vehicle. I'll admite, that I haven't tried this product yet, but I will to reprogram the PCM, when I trade out the 2.2 for a 4.3 in my truck. So let us know what is more user friendly. have you ever used HPTuners?
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05-19-2005, 08:00 PM	#52
poconojoe Registered User Age: 56 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,403 Location: NEPA User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by MKR have you ever used HPTuners? No, but I had looked at there web site. The two biggest faults I see with their setup, they lock you in the number of vehicles you can program, without paying them more money and they charge for their updates, after 6 months. I don't do it for a living, but if somebody asks me to alter their maps or change a couple of switches or constants in a table, I don't want to have to go and buy a new license. TC has treated me well with their CATS Tuner package and unless something really jumps out at me, I think I'll buy their new one. Don't take this to mean, I have anything against HPTuner, but little brand loyalty, is something I think TC, deserves.
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05-20-2005, 11:29 AM	#53
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... i own both. i have HP Tuners and Tuner Cat. HP Tuners doesn't vin lock or limit the number of vehicles you do. on top of that HP Tuners comes with it's own scanning/logging software. by the end of june i expect to own every def. file from Tunercat that's available. currently i have all 96-05 trucks in Tunercat. after i finish buying the Tunercat stuff i plan to do the same with HP Tuners.
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05-20-2005, 12:38 PM	#54
poconojoe Registered User Age: 56 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,403 Location: NEPA User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by MKR i own both. i have HP Tuners and Tuner Cat. HP Tuners doesn't vin lock or limit the number of vehicles you do. on top of that HP Tuners comes with it's own scanning/logging software. by the end of june i expect to own every def. file from Tunercat that's available. currently i have all 96-05 trucks in Tunercat. after i finish buying the Tunercat stuff i plan to do the same with HP Tuners. I just looked according to their web site pricing structure, you have to pay for additional vehicles VCM Suite Pricing Structure VCM Suite Pro 2 Vehicle Types: $499 First 2 additional vehicle types: +$199 ea. 3'rd+ additional vehicle types: +$399 ea. Enhanced IO Interface: +$150 Or am I reading it wrong and they mean different motors and years?
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05-20-2005, 12:55 PM	#55
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... those are vehicle types. you missed this. VCM Suite is the most affordable tuning solution available. Add vehicle support as you go our purchase bulk vehicle types upfront and save money. Each vehicle type you purchase will allow you to reprogram any number of vehicles of that model and year. You are only "locked" to the model/years that you purchase.
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05-20-2005, 05:12 PM	#56
poconojoe Registered User Age: 56 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,403 Location: NEPA User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... I saw that, but it also said you were locked in to your cable and couldn't, use a different one. I will look at it before i decide to buy, By the way I didn't see S10's listed on their buy page. Other trucks but not sdimes.
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05-21-2005, 04:30 AM	#57
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by poconojoe I saw that, but it also said you were locked in to your cable and couldn't, use a different one. I will look at it before i decide to buy, By the way I didn't see S10's listed on their buy page. Other trucks but not sdimes. that's correct, s10's aren't on their list as of yet, the only point in the comparison is the ease of use of the software. almost any beginner can use hpt. tunercat on the other hand isn't for the beginner.
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05-21-2005, 06:11 AM	#58
poconojoe Registered User Age: 56 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,403 Location: NEPA User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... MKR, thanks for your input on this, since without it, I wouldn't even have given HP Tuner a sesond look, since I misunderstood, their pricing schedule and thought it locked you in to one vehicle, per purchase. When I'm ready to buy, I'll see if they've added S10's and compare the two. It's nice to have somebody with experiance with both pieces of software, instead of the normal one guy versing the other saying his is best. PS Have you used CATS Tuner for OBD1 and if you have, how would you compare the ease of use to these two programs. Don't take having to burn a chip into it, since that's a limitation of the ECM, not the program. I feel fairly at ease using it, not that ,I bought it to make big horsepower, if fact I originally bought it to turn the VATS off on a TPI swap, since at the time everybody wanted $100 - $150, just to do that. I figured before paying that kind of money I'd try it myself. Last edited by poconojoe : 05-21-2005 at 06:19 AM.
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05-23-2005, 03:31 PM	#59
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... i've used it, but don't own it as of this point. i plan to buy that before the end of the summer. before the end of the year i plan to be able to program every gm vehicle i can find software for. i found the software to be very similar to the obd2. the loading the new tune just being 10 times more work with the chip system.
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05-23-2005, 07:24 PM	#60
qbnkiller Registered User Age: 37 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 102 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... ....unless the Moates adaptor/Ostrich system works out....we'll see when we start tuning mine
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06-02-2005, 01:50 PM	#61
matthewp097033 Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 48 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... ssss
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06-02-2005, 02:36 PM	#62
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by matthewp097033 ssss glad you got that off your chest.
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06-06-2005, 03:09 PM	#63
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... So I just recieved my tunercat today....I was wondering if it could copy a hypertech program...eg...i save the file that is allready in my pcm (hypertech) and then make changes on top of what's there?? Also if someone could tell me what I need to change to set it for the colder thermostat??
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06-06-2005, 03:20 PM	#64
s10rz350 Un-Blown Fake ZQ8 Age: 34 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,455 Location: Los Angeles User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Yes. I suggest you download the cfg with the hypertech tuning, unload the hypertech tuning from your pcm and grab a stock cfg as well. That way you have the original one to go back too. As far as the stat tuning- besides being able to advance timing there is a parameter you can turn off if the stat is too cold (160 degree) so it doesnt throw a code. I dont have my tuning software here so I cant tell you specifically which one it is. Might want to compare the hypertech colder stat tuning to the stock cfg and see what the difference is. Last edited by s10rz350 : 06-06-2005 at 03:27 PM.
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06-06-2005, 03:39 PM	#65
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by s10rz350 Yes. I suggest you download the cfg with the hypertech tuning, unload the hypertech tuning from your pcm and grab a stock cfg as well. That way you have the original one to go back too. As far as the stat tuning- besides being able to advance timing there is a parameter you can turn off if the stat is too cold (160 degree) so it doesnt throw a code. I dont have my tuning software here so I cant tell you specifically which one it is. Might want to compare the hypertech colder stat tuning to the stock cfg and see what the difference is. So you think that it would copy it...that's pretty cool if it does!!
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06-06-2005, 03:40 PM	#66
s10rz350 Un-Blown Fake ZQ8 Age: 34 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,455 Location: Los Angeles User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78 So you think that it would copy it...that's pretty cool if it does!! Of course it will.
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06-06-2005, 05:30 PM	#67
gotswrv Registered User Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 79 Location: outside KC User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Second that. Done it.
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06-06-2005, 05:32 PM	#68
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... I was hoping it would..cause now I can sell my hypertech right away as it will be a few weeks before i can hit the dyno for a full tune....so being able to copy the hypertech makes my life good!!
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06-06-2005, 05:37 PM	#69
gotswrv Registered User Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 79 Location: outside KC User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Being able to compare the two is also very good for understanding what to change and how much makes a difference. If you can use the HPP to program different levels of fuel grade so it and save them. It should give a very good idea of how delicate some tables are. I was not offered this with mine, I've heard there are octane specific tunes now.
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06-06-2005, 05:44 PM	#70
sy-clone TURBOS SUCK Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 732 Location: Puerto Rico User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by gotswrv Being able to compare the two is also very good for understanding what to change and how much makes a difference. If you can use the HPP to program different levels of fuel grade so it and save them. It should give a very good idea of how delicate some tables are.I was not offered this with mine, I've heard there are octane specific tunes now. Can these tables be obtained as an upgrade? PEACE>Tony
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06-06-2005, 08:14 PM	#71
Verne H.D. & A. CEO. Age: 31 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 328 Location: Mid. Tennessee User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... I could not get mine to copy the ECU with the hypertech installed also tried a buddies truck and it wouln't copy it either. Had to uninstall the one on my truck and go from there. Verne
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06-06-2005, 08:19 PM	#72
s10rz350 Un-Blown Fake ZQ8 Age: 34 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,455 Location: Los Angeles User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... thats odd. I had no problem with it. It is after all just changes to the existing tables.
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06-06-2005, 08:23 PM	#73
Verne H.D. & A. CEO. Age: 31 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 328 Location: Mid. Tennessee User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Someone told me (cant remember who) that the hypertech locks the ECU so you wouldn't be able to copy it. It might have to do with it being a '97 model. The other truck I tried was also a '97. Who knows. If I can get my buddy at the shop to order one for testing I will try again. Verne
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06-07-2005, 03:50 AM	#75
gotswrv Registered User Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 79 Location: outside KC User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by sy-clone Can these tables be obtained as an upgrade? PEACE>Tony Yah what Charlie said. Nothing new, just a recal. For a lot of people they don't know where to start when trying to get a few ponies outta a stock motor. Looking over a Hypertech save will show where to make simle tweak and give examples of reasonable amounts of change. Tony, you do not want to do what Hypertech does. Probably the opposite in the same spots would be a good start.
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06-13-2005, 02:18 PM	#76
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... So I finally got to playing with the tunercat...and no torque management ROCKS!!! Thanks to all you guys for your help..... Now it's time to try and figure out how to tune for a granatelli....any ideas??? Last edited by j_gor78 : 06-13-2005 at 02:19 PM.
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06-14-2005, 02:13 PM	#77
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... yes, you need to re-scale it for a maf of the same size.
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06-14-2005, 06:40 PM	#78
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by MKR yes, you need to re-scale it for a maf of the same size. Any ideas as to what a comparable maf would be?? I have been reading up on ls1tech and other tuning sites...tuning for the maf seems to be a lot harder than it seems. Any help so we can all figure this out will be valuable
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06-15-2005, 07:39 AM	#79
gotswrv Registered User Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 79 Location: outside KC User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by j_gor78 Any ideas as to what a comparable maf would be?? I have been reading up on ls1tech and other tuning sites...tuning for the maf seems to be a lot harder than it seems. Any help so we can all figure this out will be valuable Get your current MAF tuned to very near right. WBO2 included. Then put on the new MAF. Tune the MAF to look like the old one did, off your fuel trims (assuming you have a feed back tool). Then check for upper airflows with the WBO2. If you do not have a feed back tool, like a logger or scanner, leave it alone... Are you doing this on an S-10? If so what do you hope to gain? The MAF isn't a choking point at all. Sam
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06-15-2005, 01:10 PM	#80
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by gotswrv Get your current MAF tuned to very near right. WBO2 included. Then put on the new MAF. Tune the MAF to look like the old one did, off your fuel trims (assuming you have a feed back tool). Then check for upper airflows with the WBO2. If you do not have a feed back tool, like a logger or scanner, leave it alone... Are you doing this on an S-10? If so what do you hope to gain? The MAF isn't a choking point at all. Sam Get your current MAF tuned to very near right isn't very specific...what needs to be tuned?? what tables are involved??? This is all valuable information that we will need to have..... your right the maf isn't a choking point but when you have a procharged s10 sitting in a garage not running cause of p101 (airflow out of range). Then the maf needs to be redone.
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06-15-2005, 03:37 PM	#81
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... your maf should be tuned to one of the same size. most commonly the granatelli maf is the same size internally and externally as the maf from a full size. i'd recomend scaling your maf to the table from an L31.
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06-15-2005, 03:58 PM	#82
sebast19 Life Start @ 200 shots Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 350 Location: Québec Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Does it possible to see what is the hypertech 93 tuning parameter ?? Like spark advance and injector timing. Thanks. Sébastien
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06-15-2005, 04:32 PM	#83
MKR zippy Age: 33 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 733 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by sebast19 Does it possible to see what is the hypertech 93 tuning parameter ?? Like spark advance and injector timing. Thanks. Sébastien yes...
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06-15-2005, 05:08 PM	#84
j_gor78 I Am Canadian! Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,204 Location: Calgary, Ab, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by MKR your maf should be tuned to one of the same size. most commonly the granatelli maf is the same size internally and externally as the maf from a full size. i'd recomend scaling your maf to the table from an L31. Awesome that is what i needed to know
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06-15-2005, 08:17 PM	#85
sebast19 Life Start @ 200 shots Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 350 Location: Québec Canada User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by MKR yes... Ok gentlemen , let me know when you have it Thx Sébast
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06-15-2005, 08:22 PM	#86
gotswrv Registered User Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 79 Location: outside KC User is: OffLine	Re: TunerCat Programmer Available.... Quote: Originally Posted by sebast19 Ok gentlemen , let me know when you have it Thx Sébast Shoot me an E-mail and I'll send a copy of a stock and HPPIII file so you can compare. Sam gotswrv@hotmail.com
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