s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project

s10ls · 10-19-2007, 11:02 AM

BTW big thanks to Rat who is helping me to machine these heads myself

rat · 10-19-2007, 12:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls

BTW big thanks to Rat who is helping me to machine these heads myself

You should be getting a package early next week.

cycle252 · 10-19-2007, 12:54 PM

I'd feel real sick if i was fixing to cut that nice expensive manifold in two. By the way does that leave any hood clearance? Thats pretty tall, anyway good luck on the cut

and keep us updated.

rat · 10-19-2007, 02:10 PM

I bet it isn't much taller than the stock intake manifold/tb/intake hat. The tb/intake hat are probably a good 8" tall.

Zygoat · 10-19-2007, 02:24 PM

that beautiful virgin aluminum

s10ls · 10-19-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rat

I bet it isn't much taller than the stock intake manifold/tb/intake hat. The tb/intake hat are probably a good 8" tall.

its where the TB would be right when the hood curves downwards to the grill that has me worried. i am really hoping to keep the stock hood

BTW mike (boosted thrills) says its shorter than his 2114/spacer/TB/carb hat, which is identical to mine other than the carb hat, i think mine is a little taller

cycle252 · 10-19-2007, 03:47 PM

If you get caught between a rock and a piece of nice sheet metal you can always do this http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...gle-turbo.html

s10ls · 10-20-2007, 09:53 AM

cool thread. i wouldnt want to weld the upper plenum to the lower manifold though. i would have the top of the lower manifold milled down as far is it could go

***Jess*** · 10-20-2007, 10:13 AM

my hat is real close to the hood (at least it was with the stock hood. but not with my cowl hood). the maf would have hit the hood. but i angled it down a little, so it cleared fine.

s10ls · 10-22-2007, 03:59 PM

someone suggested a wedge to point the TB down a little, thought that was a good idea if it came to that

on a side note i just cut 4 inches out of the middle of the manifold

pics coming shortly

Zygoat · 10-22-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls

on a side note i just cut 4 inches out of the middle of the manifold

classic

s10ls · 10-22-2007, 04:15 PM

the first rough cuts i made with a sawzall. as you can see its still about 3/4 of an inch to long. the rest will be milled off

cycle252 · 10-22-2007, 05:37 PM

You know what... I wouldn't have the balls to do it

s10ls · 10-23-2007, 09:07 AM

Rat, got your package today. i'll be working on the heads later today

98 SS · 10-23-2007, 01:08 PM

i woulda been shaking if i was gonna make that cut with a sawzall

s10ls · 10-23-2007, 02:18 PM

luckily i have plenty of experience with a sawzall being in the home building/remodelling business

s10ls · 10-24-2007, 05:30 PM

thoughts on teflon valve seals? seems like viton is the better choice, but teflon is the only thing i can get locally that fits what i machined my guides too (.530). what seals are the rest of you guys running?

also, got the HSR shortened to the proper length, looks like i'll be able to use 5 bolts on each side of the intake

rat · 10-24-2007, 05:35 PM

My teflon seals leak. Viton is the oem material now days.

98 SS · 10-24-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls

thoughts on teflon valve seals? seems like viton is the better choice, but teflon is the only thing i can get locally that fits what i machined my guides too (.530). what seals are the rest of you guys running?

also, got the HSR shortened to the proper length, looks like i'll be able to use 5 bolts on each side of the intake

thats just friggin cool

meyers2211 · 10-24-2007, 06:36 PM

what are u going to do with the pair of dead intake runners? fill em in?

s10ls · 10-24-2007, 06:51 PM

the tops will be welded shut. i have to get a manifold gasket to see if the bottom will need to be welded also, prolly just put a plug in the injector bung

King_Ice_Flash2 · 10-24-2007, 07:15 PM

That does look awsome, but wow, after seeing all of the work, I am glad I didn't buy those set of bowtie heads when I had the chance. It would have never gotten finished.

Keep up the good work! That thing sick!

Do the bolt holes now line up, or do you have to machine a Z-shape between the 2 un-used intake runs?

Zygoat · 10-24-2007, 07:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls

that is just sexy. no way around it.

King_Ice_Flash2 · 10-24-2007, 07:37 PM

No kidding, it just looks fast.

Bad94 · 10-24-2007, 08:08 PM

Should look like this.

Note: intake isnt fully done in that pic.

***Jess*** · 10-24-2007, 08:27 PM

i think i have teflon seal, i'll check. no problems with them. but not many miles on em.

that intake is pretty cool. i should have done that, instead of the 2114. sometimes i don't think ahead enough..... 1 thing for sure. if you take it to a car show, there are going to be a LOT of people scratching their heads. 4 in, 3 out

s10ls · 10-24-2007, 09:48 PM

yeah jess if you could check when ever you have a valve cover of that would be great.

no Z cuts, its getting welded up soon then i can cut up the upper plenum

98 SS · 10-24-2007, 10:11 PM

What would be even better is if you put in and ran wires into the harness for a dummy injector instead of plugging the bungs........WTF!?!

***Jess*** · 10-24-2007, 10:30 PM

no need to pull a cover, i have extras = bought the V8 set. they are the kind that ya install with a socket, 7/16 iirc.

the extra injector would be funny. maybe even run an extra plug wire.

***Jess*** · 10-24-2007, 10:44 PM

i just went to the garage and got one. they are a white plastic with a metal band(onto the head) and metal ring (on the valve). i don't remember the brand. i will look further to see if i can find the package(friday night)

***Jess*** · 10-24-2007, 10:49 PM

ok, i just looked in my speed parts catalog. they are crane cams teflon seals.

s10ls · 10-25-2007, 07:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Jess

ok, i just looked in my speed parts catalog. they are crane cams teflon seals.

the crane teflon seals are what i can get locally. thanks for the info

you know my harness is wired for 8 injectors, i just never used two of them. if i can get two broke injectors or something i may do that lol

98 SS · 10-25-2007, 06:46 PM

"Yeah, its a v-8....the middle cylinders are smaller and siamesed, thats why there are only 6 header tubes."

wonder how many people you could get to fall for it.

10-19-2007, 11:02 AM	#101
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project BTW big thanks to Rat who is helping me to machine these heads myself
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10-19-2007, 12:14 PM	#102
rat Got Fuel Rails? Age: 24 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,532 Location: Omaha, NE User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls BTW big thanks to Rat who is helping me to machine these heads myself You should be getting a package early next week.
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10-19-2007, 12:54 PM	#103
cycle252 Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 531 Location: jonesboro, ar User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project I'd feel real sick if i was fixing to cut that nice expensive manifold in two. By the way does that leave any hood clearance? Thats pretty tall, anyway good luck on the cut and keep us updated. Last edited by cycle252 : 10-19-2007 at 01:03 PM.
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10-19-2007, 02:10 PM	#104
rat Got Fuel Rails? Age: 24 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,532 Location: Omaha, NE User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project I bet it isn't much taller than the stock intake manifold/tb/intake hat. The tb/intake hat are probably a good 8" tall.
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10-19-2007, 02:24 PM	#105
Zygoat Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,060 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project that beautiful virgin aluminum
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10-19-2007, 02:53 PM	#106
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by rat I bet it isn't much taller than the stock intake manifold/tb/intake hat. The tb/intake hat are probably a good 8" tall. its where the TB would be right when the hood curves downwards to the grill that has me worried. i am really hoping to keep the stock hood BTW mike (boosted thrills) says its shorter than his 2114/spacer/TB/carb hat, which is identical to mine other than the carb hat, i think mine is a little taller Last edited by s10ls : 10-19-2007 at 02:58 PM.
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10-19-2007, 03:47 PM	#107
cycle252 Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 531 Location: jonesboro, ar User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project If you get caught between a rock and a piece of nice sheet metal you can always do this http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/po...gle-turbo.html
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10-20-2007, 09:53 AM	#108
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project cool thread. i wouldnt want to weld the upper plenum to the lower manifold though. i would have the top of the lower manifold milled down as far is it could go
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10-22-2007, 03:59 PM	#110
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project someone suggested a wedge to point the TB down a little, thought that was a good idea if it came to that on a side note i just cut 4 inches out of the middle of the manifold pics coming shortly
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10-22-2007, 04:04 PM	#111
Zygoat Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,060 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls on a side note i just cut 4 inches out of the middle of the manifold classic
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10-22-2007, 04:15 PM	#112
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project the first rough cuts i made with a sawzall. as you can see its still about 3/4 of an inch to long. the rest will be milled off
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10-22-2007, 05:37 PM	#113
cycle252 Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 531 Location: jonesboro, ar User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project You know what... I wouldn't have the balls to do it
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10-23-2007, 09:07 AM	#114
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Rat, got your package today. i'll be working on the heads later today
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10-23-2007, 01:08 PM	#115
98 SS I call her: NIGHTMARE Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,743 Location: The TPK User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project i woulda been shaking if i was gonna make that cut with a sawzall
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10-23-2007, 02:18 PM	#116
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project luckily i have plenty of experience with a sawzall being in the home building/remodelling business
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10-24-2007, 05:30 PM	#117
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project thoughts on teflon valve seals? seems like viton is the better choice, but teflon is the only thing i can get locally that fits what i machined my guides too (.530). what seals are the rest of you guys running? also, got the HSR shortened to the proper length, looks like i'll be able to use 5 bolts on each side of the intake
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10-24-2007, 05:35 PM	#118
rat Got Fuel Rails? Age: 24 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,532 Location: Omaha, NE User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project My teflon seals leak. Viton is the oem material now days.
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10-24-2007, 05:42 PM	#119
98 SS I call her: NIGHTMARE Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,743 Location: The TPK User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls thoughts on teflon valve seals? seems like viton is the better choice, but teflon is the only thing i can get locally that fits what i machined my guides too (.530). what seals are the rest of you guys running? also, got the HSR shortened to the proper length, looks like i'll be able to use 5 bolts on each side of the intake thats just friggin cool
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10-24-2007, 06:36 PM	#120
meyers2211 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,671 Location: Lindenhurst NY User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project what are u going to do with the pair of dead intake runners? fill em in?
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10-24-2007, 06:51 PM	#121
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project the tops will be welded shut. i have to get a manifold gasket to see if the bottom will need to be welded also, prolly just put a plug in the injector bung
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10-24-2007, 07:15 PM	#122
King_Ice_Flash2 Will work for turbo parts Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,796 Location: SE, WI User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project That does look awsome, but wow, after seeing all of the work, I am glad I didn't buy those set of bowtie heads when I had the chance. It would have never gotten finished. Keep up the good work! That thing sick! Do the bolt holes now line up, or do you have to machine a Z-shape between the 2 un-used intake runs? Last edited by King_Ice_Flash2 : 10-24-2007 at 07:17 PM.
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10-24-2007, 07:21 PM	#123
Zygoat Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,060 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls that is just sexy. no way around it.
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10-24-2007, 07:37 PM	#124
King_Ice_Flash2 Will work for turbo parts Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,796 Location: SE, WI User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project No kidding, it just looks fast.
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10-24-2007, 08:08 PM	#125
Bad94 Static> Bags Age: 23 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,556 Location: Cincy User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Should look like this. Note: intake isnt fully done in that pic.
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10-24-2007, 09:48 PM	#127
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project yeah jess if you could check when ever you have a valve cover of that would be great. no Z cuts, its getting welded up soon then i can cut up the upper plenum
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10-24-2007, 10:11 PM	#128
98 SS I call her: NIGHTMARE Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,743 Location: The TPK User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project What would be even better is if you put in and ran wires into the harness for a dummy injector instead of plugging the bungs........WTF!?!
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10-25-2007, 07:00 AM	#132
s10ls Registered User Age: 85 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,328 Location: orlando/englewood User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project Quote: Originally Posted by Jess ok, i just looked in my speed parts catalog. they are crane cams teflon seals. the crane teflon seals are what i can get locally. thanks for the info you know my harness is wired for 8 injectors, i just never used two of them. if i can get two broke injectors or something i may do that lol
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10-25-2007, 06:46 PM	#133
98 SS I call her: NIGHTMARE Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,743 Location: The TPK User is: OffLine	Re: s10ls's new turbo/mpfi/bowtie head project "Yeah, its a v-8....the middle cylinders are smaller and siamesed, thats why there are only 6 header tubes." wonder how many people you could get to fall for it.
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