Remote turbo.

[s10freak]

Hey guys,
been researching remote turbos. there pretty cool. ive noticed there are alot of people thinking about doing it. but is anyone done and have pics?

,matt

[( o )( o )]

are you talking about the rear-mounted turbos that sit near the mufflers?

[( o )( o )]

like this?
http://www.ststurbo.com/remote_mounting___

[( o )( o )]

dood
i just noticed your sig - you still got the si wheels for sale? how much? i want some for my other si....

[s10freak]

e-mail me at s10cky@yahoo.com. and yea im talking about a turbo in the rear.

[Intiractive]

sts didnt have a 4.3 kit, but how hard you guys think it would be to custom fab a turbo onto the exhuast where the muffler sits? The hardest thing would be running an intake pipe to the front, and making hangars for it right? and you'd also have to run 2 oil lines back to the turbo - feed and return. But other than that, it sounds very simple. Mount a BOV, and run a downpipe to where the original stock tailpipe would run. Should a muffler be used in this application?

** edit.... was thinking, should one go with a internal or external wastegate?

[Navecm]

Quote: Originally Posted by ( o )( o )

are you talking about the rear-mounted turbos that sit near the mufflers?

The STS setup actually replaces the muffler with a turbo.
Check around the blowers and bottles forum for more information, I think I saw a thread about remote mounts already going.

[trtturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10freak

Hey guys,
been researching remote turbos. there pretty cool. ive noticed there are alot of people thinking about doing it. but is anyone done and have pics?

,matt

We just finished one. I am taking it to tune and dyno today.

[sy-clone]

Looks like the air filter is gonna pick up alot of dirt & debris. PEACE>Tony

[YELLOW2002S10]

Yeah woulden't that suck up alot of water

[s10freak]

thats awesome. is that a 2nd gen s-10?

[trtturbo]

It stays a little cleaner than you think. I mostly do F-bodies, and the filter is behind the tire and its not too bad. As far as water, I have him a dry charge sock.
It is an '02 Extreme Blazer. We did the turbo, limited slip, and a step saver.
I am trying to get him to do a stall next. It helps so much with the turbo.

[PhatBoy]

MOFUGGIN "LIST'O'PARTS!'' and holy shit you beat me too it...****....what turbo, internal..external wg, size pipeing, cat no cat? come on man do a whole this is the setup thing for us...PPPPLEASE

AND what did you use for a oil scavenge pump, how much boost, we need the gooey details man...

[trtturbo]

Well, I am an STS dealer, so I used the STS pump. The turbo is a T04e, 60-1, .68 turbine housing, P-trim. Tial 38mm wastegate vented to atmosphere; for the most part, 2" pipe using mostly polished mandrel aluminum, with some stainless.
The pump works on 2 speeds; low when out of boost, and turns on high when it hits one psi. There is also a pressure switch on the return so if oil backs up, an alarm goes off.

[MINITRK]

worthless without videos at the track

[556mm]

im with gerardo

[PhatBoy]

thanks for that lil info..couple more questions if you dont mind.

who makes that turbo?
does sts sell parts or just kits?
can i buy the section of pipe that has the turbo and wastegate on it or do I need to fab that up?
are you running a BOV or just using the WG to control boost?
how mush did that system cost in parts only?
whats the hp goal for that system?

thanks man

Hey guys give em a break on the vids they just finished it today...im sure there will be some up when they have it tuned, and dynoed...

[trtturbo]

pm sent.

[trtturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gerardo

worthless without videos at the track

nothing to show until the tune is complete.

[frknlo.com]

wow! freakin' awesome! Cant wait to see the #'s after the tune.

[Chevy2000Xtreme]

i don't know for sure but i would think they are very inefficient. I think it was Sport Truck that tested a Ram with a remote turbo setup and it got beat by another Ram with an intake, exhaust and a cam.

[PhatBoy]

Id have to see that to believe it. They have been tested time and time again with nothing but positive results. The only problem that Ive heard of is that they get in the way of running dual tips on the F-bodies, and I can live with that.

Why would you think they are inefficient? For conversations sake.

[trtturbo]

Just like any other system, there are pros and cons. I have installed countless STS systems and they work well. I have a car in central Tx. that will lift the front tires and has a stock block. Granted, alot of that has to do with chassis and launch, but the car makes 623rwtq at just 9psi.
There is a 9sec rear turbo car in the north east. Pretty damn good for not being
"efficient".
I dont expect this Blazer to go out and kill Vettes, but it sounds great and will be much quicker. Its hard to know how much w/o the tune. We have let it build to just 3psi and its already a hugh difference.
This car will make 700 and is very tame. It is an STS car with a gt-70.

[Lenny95NeoN]

According to the sts website, those rear mounts are more efficient than engine bay mounted turbo's. It has something to do w/ being able to run different vanes inside the turbo itself.
One question. Does that huge front mount intercooler doesn't drop the efficiency of the turbo on that car? I thought the fact that the long tube from the rear mount turbo to the intake was more enough to cool the intake charge. But I guess the Front mounts intercooler's gains outweigh the losses.
I'm still verry interested in a kit, or parts list so I can have one built, or build one myself for my Blazer. I wonder if I can do that w/ a tremec t-6... Man I need to get some cash together...

[trtturbo]

We only use the intercooler on cars that run more boost than the basic kit.
On anything over 5-6psi, the IAT's get too hot so you have to use the intercooler or methanol injection.
The car pictured will be running about 12psi give or take.

[Lenny95NeoN]

MMMMMMM
Methanol Injection
HHHHHAAAAGGGHHH!

I say use both.
U could spray that Methanol externally on the intercooler too.

Keep us posted on the availabilty of a parts list or kit.

[86MCSS]

Post dyno graphs and prices.

[PhatBoy]

hey did you guys get to dyno it today...no biggie if you didnt just wondering?

[trtturbo]

No, had a hard time reaching the tuner. I have an appt. for 9:00am tomorrow. That means up at 3:30am for the 4 hour drive.
I'm a little worried about it running lean, but we will see.

[PhatBoy]

dont forget the gorey details...tell us how it runs..

[02_Vortech]

Hey since you custom fab'd that all up do you think STS might just actually turn this into a kit? I know alot of people have sent them e-mails asking them to make a kit for the 4.3L-

And bye the pump your talking about the Oil pump correct- Can i order one of those through you- How much hp would the T04E be able to handle effciently? 400+ whp?

Was it reall that difficult to fab up??

[86MCSS]

Still curious to see dyno numbers and how they treat the fuel system and to see what problems they run into to. I hope everything works out though. Would be nice to see an STS kit for the 4.3.

[trtturbo]

Okay guys, here it is.
The pcm was tuned using LS1 Edit. It does need a fuel pump, but we got all we could considering. It made 212/263 at about 4.5psi. The tuner is sending me the dyno and I will post it asap. Torque curve is very flat. For the most part a/f stayed in the mid 11's. IAT's never got above 115 and remember, this is no intercooler. Truck feels great and is alot of fun. From a 25 punch, it breaks the tires loose. Oh and for those who care, I filled up in Dallas and drove to San Antonio, 315 miles and only used 3/4 tank. I dont know if thats good, not owning a Blazer, but the owner was impressed.

[trtturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by 02_Vortech

Hey since you custom fab'd that all up do you think STS might just actually turn this into a kit? I know alot of people have sent them e-mails asking them to make a kit for the 4.3L-

And bye the pump your talking about the Oil pump correct- Can i order one of those through you- How much hp would the T04E be able to handle effciently? 400+ whp?

Was it reall that difficult to fab up??

We use the T04e on the LS1's too. The only difference in the turbo we use on the LS1's (base kit) and the one I used on the Blazer is I used a .68 turbine housing instead of an .81 - .96. THere is more than enough turbo for the 4.3.
Now there would be some improvement if a GT turbo was used, but this one is the "cheapy".

[badaSS98]

Do you plan on running more boost??? Because I wouldn't be happy with those numbers if only 4.5psi is what can be acheived without more modifications. More boost will show better results.. JMO

Jay

Quote: Originally Posted by trtturbo

Okay guys, here it is.
The pcm was tuned using LS1 Edit. It does need a fuel pump, but we got all we could considering. It made 212/263 at about 4.5psi. The tuner is sending me the dyno and I will post it asap. Torque curve is very flat. For the most part a/f stayed in the mid 11's. IAT's never got above 115 and remember, this is no intercooler. Truck feels great and is alot of fun. From a 25 punch, it breaks the tires loose. Oh and for those who care, I filled up in Dallas and drove to San Antonio, 315 miles and only used 3/4 tank. I dont know if thats good, not owning a Blazer, but the owner was impressed.

[SuperSS27]

Quote: Originally Posted by trtturbo

Okay guys, here it is.
The pcm was tuned using LS1 Edit. It does need a fuel pump, but we got all we could considering. It made 212/263 at about 4.5psi. The tuner is sending me the dyno and I will post it asap. Torque curve is very flat. For the most part a/f stayed in the mid 11's. IAT's never got above 115 and remember, this is no intercooler. Truck feels great and is alot of fun. From a 25 punch, it breaks the tires loose. Oh and for those who care, I filled up in Dallas and drove to San Antonio, 315 miles and only used 3/4 tank. I dont know if thats good, not owning a Blazer, but the owner was impressed.

212/263@4.5PSI. How much was the bill?

[trtturbo]

I am trying to get him to get methanol injection, a pump, stall, and run 2-3 more psi.
I think gaining 70-80rwhp is damn good, especially with a truck that still drives bone stock, is quiet, and can get good mileage.

[RedS10Xtreme2k]

I got a few questions:
How does the oiling system work on this setup?
What kind of fuel management is neccessary for 4.5 psi?
And last but not least can it be put back to stock if need be?

Is there any reasons this setup wouldnt be recommended for a vehicle that tows a trailer?
4.5 psi would be all i would want to run.

trtturbo on that blazer setup, would it be a lot more difficult to relocate the air filter in a safer place?

Thanks, all information is appreciated

Dave

[xtreme43s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by trtturbo

I am trying to get him to get methanol injection, a pump, stall, and run 2-3 more psi.
I think gaining 70-80rwhp is damn good, especially with a truck that still drives bone stock, is quiet, and can get good mileage.

t

everything looks good, but the dyno numbers seem low, what other mods are done to the truck? a 4.3 s-10 with full bolt on should put down around 180-190 rwhp. but a real measure would be at the track, since every dyno is different.,

[PhatBoy]

well those are decent numbers since they are rwhp

would a inline booster fuel pump supply enough for say 6 psi

[trtturbo]

Quote: Originally Posted by RedS10Xtreme2k

I got a few questions:
How does the oiling system work on this setup?
What kind of fuel management is neccessary for 4.5 psi?
And last but not least can it be put back to stock if need be?

Is there any reasons this setup wouldnt be recommended for a vehicle that tows a trailer?
4.5 psi would be all i would want to run.

trtturbo on that blazer setup, would it be a lot more difficult to relocate the air filter in a safer place?

Thanks, all information is appreciated

Dave

Oiling system: fed by crank case pressure through a steel braded line to a check valve and then to the turbo. Return is via a 2 speed scavenging pump.
Stock fuel system tuned using LS1 Edit. It does need a better pump.
It could be put back to stock in probably 2 hours.
Towing should only be done if you have an intercooler unless the load is light.
With a turbo, it makes boost according to load. If your pulling a heavy trailer, then you will be in boost alot, creating higher intake temps which is bad.
Being on a Blazer, there is not really any other place to put the filter. On trucks, you have more options.

Not sure what you guys are expecting. Just because its got a turbo doesnt mean it automatically will make 400 hp. A stock Ls1 at 5psi with this type of system usually gains about 100rwhp, so gaining 70-80 with this at 1psi less to good. With a few mods and a little more boost this truck could make close to 300rwhp. Still may not sound like much, but that would be like having an LS1 in it, with alot less hassle to install. People mention bolt ons, but this truck is stock. No other mod has been done to the engine. Its quiet, drives like nothing has been done to it, and retains the ability to get good mileage, usually better with the turbo.

This is not for everyone. It is expensive and if something goes wrong, it can kill a motor in short order. It is however a unique type of power and the song the turbo sings is addictive.

[s10ls]

those are good numbers on a stock truck and only 4.5 psi. its nice to see people pushing the envelope on these 4.3's, good job!

[xtreme43s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by trtturbo

Oiling system: fed by crank case pressure through a steel braded line to a check valve and then to the turbo. Return is via a 2 speed scavenging pump.
Stock fuel system tuned using LS1 Edit. It does need a better pump.
It could be put back to stock in probably 2 hours.
Towing should only be done if you have an intercooler unless the load is light.
With a turbo, it makes boost according to load. If your pulling a heavy trailer, then you will be in boost alot, creating higher intake temps which is bad.
Being on a Blazer, there is not really any other place to put the filter. On trucks, you have more options.

Not sure what you guys are expecting. Just because its got a turbo doesnt mean it automatically will make 400 hp. A stock Ls1 at 5psi with this type of system usually gains about 100rwhp, so gaining 70-80 with this at 1psi less to good. With a few mods and a little more boost this truck could make close to 300rwhp. Still may not sound like much, but that would be like having an LS1 in it, with alot less hassle to install. People mention bolt ons, but this truck is stock. No other mod has been done to the engine. Its quiet, drives like nothing has been done to it, and retains the ability to get good mileage, usually better with the turbo.

This is not for everyone. It is expensive and if something goes wrong, it can kill a motor in short order. It is however a unique type of power and the song the turbo sings is addictive.

that's why i asked what other mods, for a stock truck with just the turbo that's not bad at all

[Boosted Thrills]

NICE, i hope ya talk the customer into more mods and get the boost closer to 8psi, as you know things will get real fun

BTW do you happen to know the injector pulse width, im trying to get an idea how much more you can get outta it without doing a MPFI manifold

[pewter2door]

that's awesome, i need one for the Blazer. good numbers to the wheels for a six. good mileage too.

[The Blown Blazer]

How much to do one for me?

I have supporting fuel mods, so 10psi should be ok.

PM me please.

[Lenny95NeoN]

Wow I missed a whole page of posts. I'l read them and post any questions later.

Original post below

Quote: Originally Posted by Lenny95NeoN BEFORE HE SAW THE SECOND PAGE

I think mine put down about 160-170 rwhp on the dyno.
So could I expect at least a 50 hp increase at the rear wheels?
And Id like to re-iterate SuperSS27's question. How much was the total turbo install?
Does it still run about 4 Grand like the one advertized on the web site?

[PhatBoy]

I think they are looking for a little below 4grand for the install. He netted 212/263 at the wheels so yeah 50 hp at the wheels is very possible, with fueling and more boost, obviously that will be higher.

[trtturbo]

With the pipes complete, this kit could be installed in 3 hours. I could have every bit of charge pipe ran in an hour. The kit could be duplicated using the STS universal kit for around $3500.00, maybe a little less.

[Lenny95NeoN]

HeHeHeHeH! Looks like someone needs a locker in the rear end. Get ready to sell one to him if he upgrades the trans.

I always wondered if the oil lines could be through the factory "oil to engine coolant" cooler before, or after, they go to the turbo on our trucks.