Fageol charger

[mabru]

Got the rest of the kit installed and wouldn't ya know it.........forgot my USB to serial port adapter to hook my laptop to the ECU. Stay tuned till next week!

http://www.putfile.com/pic/7802956

[philly101]

how much did it cost for the fageol

[mabru]

Give Mark a call for a quote

http://www.fageolsuperchargers.com/

[mabru]

Can u install the software for this kit on more than one computer? I installed it into my desktop to play with it first and then into my laptop, but doesn't seem to work the same. Anyone know.

[s10ls]

i'v installed mine on multiple computers. do the comp's have different operating systems? windows xp versus windows 98 or similar?

i've installed on both, i do my tuning on a windows 98 computer but didnt have any issues while i was tuning on an xp comp. i have heard the software can be tempermental with xp

[mabru]

Turns out that I had no probs with my laptop...just wasn't connected to the ECU when I was playing with it and it reactly differently than my desktop. Loaded up the TBI6501 base map changed my engine parameters and she fired right up....for about 2-3 secs, lol. Anyways thats where the tuning part comes in. I noticed that when I started it the A/F ratio was anywhere from 13-1 to 18-1. I don't know zip about tuning so decided to leave it for now. I discovered that my waterpump gasket is leaking so I have to change it. Gonna book an appt. with my tuner and get him to tune it for me. Don't flame me for whimpin' out....just don't want to screw this up....to much money into this.

[bigblock10]

This build is so cool. I wish i would have went with something like this. yea the v8 was fun... but something like this is just bada$$.

DEREK

[IntheBatCave]

Quote: Originally Posted by mabru

Don't flame me for whimpin' out....just don't want to screw this up....to much money into this.

You're not going to hear anything from me. Seeing that you are on your second engine, better safe than sorry.

[s10ls]

i second that. very wise decision

[mabru]

Thanx guys...it's funny how people you've never meet can have such an influence on decisions. Glad I have some members on the forums interested and standing behind me on this build.

[Zygoat]

s10ls you are not 84 (that is what your age says) whats up with that?

i also think its a good idea, try and learn what you can from them while you watch.

[mabru]

My 2.5" blower pulley came in and I have my tuning appt. set up for April 2nd

[IntheBatCave]

Quote: Originally Posted by mabru

My 2.5" blower pulley came in and I have my tuning appt. set up for April 2nd

Just out of curiousity, how much are they charging you for the tune?

[mabru]

Depends on how long it takes him to dial it in. It's a by the hour type deal and he figures It'll be wed afternoon and most of thursday. Probaly won't be cheap but this guy really knows his stuff and is really good at what he does, you get what you pay for. It'll be put on the dyno and road tested.

[s10ls]

Quote: Originally Posted by mabru

Depends on how long it takes him to dial it in. It's a by the hour type deal and he figures It'll be wed afternoon and most of thursday. Probaly won't be cheap but this guy really knows his stuff and is really good at what he does, you get what you pay for. It'll be put on the dyno and road tested.

the commander is very user friendly and easy to dial in IMO. he shouldnt have to much of a problem at all

zy, why do you think i'm not 84??

[Zygoat]

you don't seem 84


but if you are, you are exactly the kind of old man i want to be!

[s10ls]

who you calling an old man? i may be 84 but i'll still kick your ass. seriously though i put that in here as a joke like 3 years ago, i'm actually 97


mabru, check out chevytalk.com. the efi forum is basically a holley commander 950 tech forum, most of those guys run the commander so there is lots of good info

[Zygoat]

[mabru]

mabru, check out chevytalk.com. the efi forum is basically a holley commander 950 tech forum, most of those guys run the commander so there is lots of good info[/quote]

Good info on there for the 950...thanx

[mabru]

Got my water pump gasket leak fixed, put on my 8 lb pulley and had to get a new belt, then put it all back together. Couldn't help myself....I richen up the fuel table and set my A/F target at 13 to 1 and she ran pretty good. Circulated the antifreeze, checked to make sure my e fan was working, and triple checked for leaks.....alls good. Have my tuning appt. set for April 2nd so shortly thereafter Ill have some dyno numbers for you guys.

[mabru]

We'll got the tune done...it runs great but I'm really low on the boost with the 8 pound pulley. It had a hard time making more than 5 pounds. gonna through my 6 pound pulley on it and see if it makes a difference....had no prob making 6 pounds before. I'm also having a problem with my fuel pressure....it's not staying constant....I have a 255lph walboro pump that I put in the year before last. Gonna change my filter and see it it helps....maybe got a bad pump?

[rentedmule]

Is the voltage to the fuel pump constant?

[IntheBatCave]

Quote: Originally Posted by rentedmule

Is the voltage to the fuel pump constant?

IF you have the factory wiring you might want to consider running a heavier gauge wire and using the factory wire to trigger a relay.




It sounds like your smaller pulley might be slipping. What are you using for a belt? You should try running a boodyear gatorback belt, a lot of the vortech guys use them to fight belt slippage. If that doesn't work maybe you could take your smaller pulley to a machine shop and have some grooves drilled through the circumference across the groove. I believe a company called riechard racing IIRC sells a type like that for vortech and powerdynes, there are usually a few on ebay at any given time.

[rentedmule]

you can potentially make the belt slippage problem worse with a gatorback - there's less surface area contacting the pulley than with a standard belt.

If the pump voltage is an issue MSD and Kenne Bell sell voltage boosters that ramp up power supply to the fuel pump under boost.

[mabru]

Theres no indication of belt slippage according to my tuner...as for the pump I fired it up this morning and the pressure was back up to 30 pounds. Almost like when its been working for a while it start to fall off. Trucks back out at the farm so I won't know anymore till next week.

[mabru]

heres a vid of the last run on the dyno

http://media.putfile.com/april-2nd-dyno-run

[mabru]

Turns out the eratic fuels pressure was from the adjusting screw not staying put. When I would hit the throttle hard I also noticed that the pressure would drop 5 pounds or so. I put an aeromotive 13301 with the 20 psi + spring in it and am able to keep the pressure where its needed and without the drop in pressure with an instant fuel demand. Also ran a vac/boost line to the reg to help raise the pressure a lil while in boost. My injectors were running about 85% duty cycle before so this seems to help a bit.

As for the lack of boost, I am almost certain that my belt is slippin on the crank pulley. Checked it with a timing light to use as a strobe light and I pretty sure this is the problem. Gonna run my 6lb pulley again as I had no issue with slip before and maybe this winter I'll tinker with a better set up for my 8lb pulley. Havn't swapped it back yet but I'll do that next week and let you guys know how I made out....stay tuned!

[IntheBatCave]

Are you going to look into the slotted pulley and the gatorback belt?
This is the type of pulley I was talking about before. I've seen others made by simply running a drill through the side to cut the slot across the grooves. I'd think just about any machinist should be able to do it for you, for less than one of these would cost you.

[mabru]

Thats a good idea...which pulleys should I have the slots drilled into. It looks to me like its slippin on the crank pulley, should I have the blower pulley done to? The blower pulley's been anodized, would I have to get it redone after drilling the holes? Heres a pic of my pulley set up

http://www.putfile.com/pic/8003667

[IntheBatCave]

Hmm? Well it looks like you have plenty of belt wrap around all of your pulleys. It seems a little strange that your crank pulley would be slipping and not the s/c pulley. You should take a good look at the crank pulley and check out the condition of the grooves, make sure the peaks are nice and sharp, the grooves don't have any build up in and the flanks are perfectly straight and are not worn at all. Lastly check and see if the flanks are polished, I mean it's good for them to be smooth so they don't chew up belts, but you shouldn't be able to see you're reflection in it. You could try taking the pulley of the engine and running he OD over a wire wheel.



Is that crank pulley original to the engine or used? It might be worth it for you to try and track down a brand new one. I can't imagine it would be too expensive, not to mention there would be no question on the condition of the pulley.


As far as having grooves cut in the crank pulley, I've never seen it done, but if all else fails, why not. As long as you are only going through the v-grooves and not the structural material of the OD, I'd say you'd be safe to go.

[mabru]

Well I'm lost...changed the pulley back to the original 6lb pulley I had to start with and am only making 4 to 4.5psi max. There must be something I'm missing somewhere. As for the fuel pressure I still can't keep it constant, I've changed the pump the filter and put on a new fuel pressure reg. and it still won't stay put. I'm going top try changing my gauge....maybe its faulty.

[mabru]

I changed my fuel press gauge and I think thats what the problem was...seems to be holding at a steady pressure now. Gonna run the way it is for a while and keep my eye on things and see.

[rentedmule]

Hopefully that solved it

[mabru]

Yeah...wish I could figure out the reason I'm not making as much boost though....doesnt make any sense.

[IntheBatCave]

Quote: Originally Posted by mabru

Yeah...wish I could figure out the reason I'm not making as much boost though....doesnt make any sense.

Were you able to look into some of the things I recommended above?

[rentedmule]

I posted on the other forum too but if your pulley design is the same as the vortech/powerdyne I have a 2.75" 8-rib you can cut up if you want to try the machining route.

[mabru]

[quote=IntheBatCave;5213611]Were you able to look into some of the things I recommended above?[/quote


I took a good look at all the pulleys and they looked fine to me...I do plan on changing the crank pulley just to be sure. Just seems funny that I'm all the sudden making less boost...with the 2.75" pulley I'm running now I was making 6 lbs at 5000 rpm....now I'm only making 4lbs. I havn't changed anything from the previous set up aside from the fuel management system and had the cylinders bored out 20 thou and new pistons. The compression ratios even the same. It's runs good and strong but just not making the same power...gonna keep driving it and keep my eye on things. If I can't put my thumb on it I may have to send it back to fageol for a rebuild.

[s10ls]

are you sure you havent changed anything else on the intake side? like TB etc? if you have made the motor more efficient and able to move more air by removing a restriction it will make less boost than before. it shouldnt be down on power though, should be atleast the same or more

[mabru]

Well I went from the 2 barrel 4.3 TBI to a 4 barrel that came with the holley commander kit that I'm now running, and instead of the 10' air cleaner I'm running a 4" cold air intake style set up. It's definately down on power. I had somone suggest that maybe my timing chain marks weren't perfectly lined up and that the mechanical time could be out....would it even run? If the tune was set up for it that way would this be possible? It has back fired on me a few times but nothing serious.

[s10ls]

Quote: Originally Posted by mabru

Well I went from the 2 barrel 4.3 TBI to a 4 barrel that came with the holley commander kit that I'm now running, and instead of the 10' air cleaner I'm running a 4" cold air intake style set up. It's definately down on power. I had somone suggest that maybe my timing chain marks weren't perfectly lined up and that the mechanical time could be out....would it even run? If the tune was set up for it that way would this be possible? It has back fired on me a few times but nothing serious.

backfired through exhaust or intake?

it would run if the cam is slightly out. wouldnt hurt to pull the timing cover and check. make sure your timing is synced up with the holley ecu also. i dont have advance or retard timing indicators on my balancer, only a 0 timing mark. i sync them by setting my entire spark map to 0 (make sure you save your old one first), then twist my dizzy until it reads 0 with a timing light, lock it down and you should never have to touch it again, load your old spark map and your set

[mabru]

I can't remeber if it was intake or exhaust to be honest..I'll definately pay closer attention next time. I won't get a chance to pull the timing cover off anytime soon, but what ever the problem is I hope I can find it cause I really like running this little blower.

[charels]

hope it doesnt do it out the intake too much. could mess stuff up big time

[IntheBatCave]

Any updates?

[mabru]

Lol...you and 614 streets are on the same page. No new news yet, still lacking boost but having been driving it daily without any problems. At least I can drive it now...be lookin further into this later this summer...I'll keep ya posted

[mabru]

Well I did a compression test and 4 cylinders are up up 150 psi and the other 2 are at 145. The leak down test check ok too.....must be something with the blower.

[350X]

bumping this back up. So how did everything end up?

do you have the install direction still?

I could use a copy, plz???

Picked up one of these kits, new/used.

gonna crap when I say it was only $50

But the guy has lost some of the parts.

But gonna need the install direction for a carb s10-15

[neo71665]

He was having issues with the charger not being big enough for the 3.4

[350X]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

He was having issues with the charger not being big enough for the 3.4

I figured that but was hoping thing had changed in the mean time of his last post.

mine will be on an all stock 2.8 so it should be fine. Just need some more info.

I think 614 fell off the face of the earth

[mabru]

Well been a long time....I took the blower off and replaced it with an edelbrock torker II intake. Just couldn't get that sucker to make enough boost...motor just had to much displacement is the only thing I can guess cause I checked everything I could possible think of and checked everything anyone one else suggested. Any how..I still have the blower and the original 2.8 from my s10 so I'm sure I'll find something to drop it in and just throw a carb on it.

As for directions for the install its pretty straight forward....just take of the old intake and replace it with the fageol supercharger. When replacing the intake manifold gaskets make sure to do it properly and remove the rockers and push rods. Don't cheat here because cutting the gasket will only weaken it and your gonna be putting more pressure on it.

I would like to add that I really enjoy this lil blower...the only reason I couldn't get it to work was because I put it on a motor bigger than it was intended for. Mark at Fageol Superchargers makes a quality product and is more than willing to help in any way he can...I know we spoke many times and had his # memorized...lol.

If theres anything else I can help with please feel to ask...will gladly help.

[mabru]

By the way....would love to see some pics