bad news... good news (turbo Build)

[meyers2211]

if i needed to prime everything i would disconnect the coil and turn the motor over for 10 secs get the oil moving.

zygoat come on buddy its been a month, may is coming soon

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by meyers2211

if i needed to prime everything i would disconnect the coil and turn the motor over for 10 secs get the oil moving.

zygoat come on buddy its been a month, may is coming soon

thats not ideal because then the motor is turning without any oil for that length of time.

i know it has been a hell of a long time. i went looking the other day and my thread was dead last, don't really know how that could have happened. you must have seen it too and resurrected it.

basically i have been crazy busy with school, way more so than i should be for the credit load i am taking (only 13 hours) but it feels like i am taking 16+. guess thats what happens when you check the little box that says you want to be an engineer.

ne way, i actually finally got down to work on the truck last weekend. which is part of my problem i have to drive 80 miles to where my truck is so i can work on it, and that usually means leaving for the weekend and that kind of time is hard to come by. i tinkered around with the fuel rails for probably 12 hours total so far and last weekend eventually decided that they weren't going to work, they leaked like a sieve from every dam place possible and after i fixed all the leaks they still leak from the injector ports themselves, so there pretty screwed. so i ordered up a new set from rpm, that should hopefully be here this weekend. un-fortunately i had to order some different connectors to make them work and those wont be here till middle of next moth. they were crazy hard to find and expensive as hell.

i did however manage to port out the intake elbow and tb adapter which i have pics of, but i left my dam camera down there so i have to wait till next weekend to get it back and then i can post some pics. also i managed to get a coat of herculiner on some of my body pieces. i have pics of that also, also on the camera.

so thats pretty much where i am now waiting for parts. i am going to try and do what i can to get ahead a little this weekend, like run the pressure line to the boost gage all the stuff like that. so hopefully i will be ready when the parts get here to start driving the dam thing again. because for an eternity now i have been using the gf's car or riding the bus, yippie .

ill post the pics up when i get them and hopefully get some more done this weekend.

[Zygoat]

ok here are the pics as promised.

here is the tb before i ported it out.


and here it is after


also did some more work on the herculiner but i don't have pics yet, i will hopefully do more today so maybe i will have more to show later.

[Zygoat]

lil update,

i got the boost gage all wired up and the boost reference line routed. and it works, i blew on it and sucked on it(keep it to yourself), all checked out and i discovered that i would make a terrrible turbo, as i could only muster about 2.5psi.

also i finished herculining the grill and front bumper, i would have taken pics but i left them out on the deck to dry and when i woke up there was 4" of snow on them, figures the day before i was working on my car in my t shirt. i think they will be fine as they were "dry" but just still smelled.

my fuel rails arrived to day and now all i am waiting for is these special gypsie connectors for the fuel lines, which should be in with in a couple weeks then i can *hopefully* get it running again.

thats all for now, stay tuned

[Zygoat]

whats up guys!?

its been a while.

well it is now spring break for us so that means that i should be tearing into the truck pretty good for the next week, so keep a close eye cu i should be updating alot.

got home early afternoon today(sat.) spent time with my family, where a nerf gun war erupted and no one was safe, luckily all of the guns were mine so i got the machine gun! ownage! after that we had a steak dinner, very nice cuz i cant afford ne thing near steak, as i am a poor college student. then went over to girls house and spent time with her family and watched schrek 3. after that i got home and finally got a little work done on the truck.

i got my new billet fuel rails from rpm. they are MUCH nicer than the others that i had. i am optimistic(the old ones literally leaked from every possible place) every place possible.

for some reason one of them had the holes drilled for their tb connectors(which i am not using) but only one did, dont know why. in any case i set about filling them. i am using jb weld. this is my first try with it so we will see how it goes, i have heard nothing but good things so i decided to give it a go. heres a pic.



also i started to prep the turbo for a little paint.



i am going to change the lettering to black, seeing as it was going to be the only read thing, and i think it will help bring everything together.

thats all for now, and you will have to forgive me this week because i am using my lap top and the key board sucks on here, it just flat ignores you half of the time when you push a button, so if my posts are incomprehensible thats y.



STAY TUNED!!!

[Zygoat]

well did the lettering, i tried to tape it off about 3 different ways so that i could spray the letters but it never worked out, and was taking forever. so i finnaly gave up and painted it by hand. i dont think i am very good at this (which is why i was trying to avoid it) but i think it came out pretty well. on with the pics.




the little black specks/marks is left over residue from the tape, it will be cleaned up.



i sanded down the fuel rail and also applied the second coat of jb weld to the fuel rail and am waiting for it to dry.

just a lil up date, we also got my truck pushed into the grage so i can tear into it this week, should be fun!

stay tuned!

[Zygoat]

well i spent most of the day fiddling around trying to make fuel rail tie downs. i ended up with 1 and 1/2 after a whole day of work.

i did manage to do some other stuff tho.

i sanded down the second coat of jb weld on the fuel rail, so it is ready for paint, which will wait until i have all of the hold downs fabbed up. (no sense in ruining good paint).

i removed the hood and all the attached parts. which brought up something interesting. the vacuum ball was full of atf! i have no idea why or how this happened. my fluid level was low last time i checked, yet i have seen no signs what so ever of a leak, and i have been looking for a while because after i drive it i smell atf. i am pretty sure now that the smell at least was coming from the vacuum ball seeing as the line going into it was cracked and basically hanging on by a thread. anybody know how atf would get there? is one of the lines from the tyanny connected there? i really want to figure this out cuz it has been bugging me for a while and i still dont know what is going on. especially given that i am going to start ramming boost through the tranny.

i also mocked up the intercooler.


i also did a little work on repairing what amounts to some of the last damage left from the accident.

thats all for now

Stay tuned!

[Zygoat]

lets try again( the last post didnt work)

i got a little done today, spent most of the day making fuel rail tie downs ended up with 1 and 1/2 after a whole day.

but i did manage to get some other stuff done, i removed the hood and all the attached stuff. which uncovered and interesting thing. the vacuum ball was full of atf! i have no idea how or why. i have been smelling atf for a while now after i drive it, yet i have not been able to find any signs of a leak, i believe this is where the smell was coming from seeing as the vacuum line was all cracked and barely hagging on. anybody have any idea what might be going on, this has been happening for months now and i cant figure it out, but it seems to have started about the time i started to run speed density, but it continues even after i switched back to maf. the last time i checked the tranny fluid was like 2 qrts low, but i can not find a leak ne where and i have been looking!

i also mocked up the intercooler.


and i worked on some of the last remaining accident damage.

i also sanded the second coat of jb weld on the fuel rail so it is ready for paint, but that will wait until i am done fabbing up the hold downs (no sense in ruining good paint).

thats all for now

STAY TUNED!

[Zygoat]

ok maybe it did work

[rentedmule]

looking good man, I think the lettering on the turbo came out well. That's weird about the ATF in the vacuum ball - I've never heard of that before.

[rat]

I think i remember something about the atf. I am thinking it was something to do with the 4wd system.

[Zygoat]

well i do have 4wd and it is the vacuum modulated kind, so idk. i am really stumped on that one.

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by rentedmule

looking good man, I think the lettering on the turbo came out well. That's weird about the ATF in the vacuum ball - I've never heard of that before.

thanks man! i cleaned it up a lil bit further and did a second coat yesterday, just to make it a little more wear resistant. i think it looks even better now, i fixed some of the sloppy areas, like the r and the b and a lil on the s.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

PM me your VIN number, and I will look through the TSBs.

You didn't flip it in your accident?

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash2

PM me your VIN number, and I will look through the TSBs.

You didn't flip it in your accident?

nope no flipping. i don't think the accident had ne thing to do with it. it was doing it before and continued after.

ill get u the vin.

[Zygoat]

well i worked all day today and basically finished the fuel rail hold downs and other assorted fueling items, the F***ing thing still leaks! i am pissed. it leaks at an an fitting, it is one an fitting plugged into another,

i really don't know what to do i guess ill order another one and see if that fixes it, i tried everything i could ie tighten the piss out of it ... that kinda thing.

ne way not much done, very frustrated and doubting the whole dam thing.

[rentedmule]

That's crappy luck man - I've been screwing with mine for 8+ months and it's just starting to work well now and it's just a POS powerdyne! From what I've seen from the other turbo projects here it'll be well worth it when you get it dialed in.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Who's fittings are you using?

[Zygoat]

jeggs

i took it all back apart and there was a little piss ant piece of metal in the sealing surface for one of them, so i ordered a new one (as it got damaged) and hopefully that will fix it.

if not i might have a blazer to sell that has the better part of a turbo build started. seriously i have been working on the 2114 swap for like 2 months now, i cant take much more.

[Zygoat]

well i got the new fitting today. it was a diffrent design than the old one so maybe they had problems .

it sealed up great and hasn't leaked a drop. but now the fuel rails are leaking. actually just the drivers side at the rear 2 injectors. this is my second set of fuel rails, i am really starting to go insane. i called rpm today but didn't get anybody, i guess ill try again tomorrow.

i did start to mount the intercooler, and i got the hood support cut to fit and it looks good. i needed to buy some steel stock to make the brackets to hold the ic. but i was to fed up with it by now and just said f it. plus me and the girl are going through hell and back right now. when it rains in pours i guess.

[sy-clone]

Hey Zy, keep the flame burning dude! Nobody has been working on their turbo project longer then me. Believe me, I know what you're feeling right now. Step back from it for awhile and relax. I fixed my leaky fuelrail just before I left for the GatorNationals. I'll be going home tomorrow, ready to tackle what's left. PEACE>Tony

[Zygoat]

thanks man im tryin

[King_Ice_Flash2]

The o-rings leaking, or is it from the bore not being smooth?

[Zygoat]

i guess the o rings. the bore was perfect when i felt them, and they were machined really well.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

If the edge was sharp, it could have damaged the o-rings during installation. Did they fit tight?

Otherwise, maybe a little teflon sealant.

[rat]

Be sure to use oil/grease when installing the injectors.

[meyers2211]

hey rat any specific type? is it to help seal or jus make it easier to take in and out or both

[rentedmule]

I've seen people use vasoline for installing the injectors on a bunch of different car shows

[98 SS]

Quote: Originally Posted by meyers2211

hey rat any specific type? is it to help seal or jus make it easier to take in and out or both

same idea as with using oil on a new oil filter ring.......or lubing up the ole lady....... less friction. keeps the orings from rolling.

[Zygoat]

vasoline so i have heard is terrible for rubber and will cause it to degrade. i used engine oil it did not tear them. i talked to the guy at rpm and he said to use white lithium because it works well and when the gas hits it it dissolves away. i will be taking it all back apart cleaning it out and then re-assembling them. hopefully that will work. i think the oil is actually lubricating it too well and preventing a good seal, they slid in and out pretty easy after the oil, it might be because i used mobil 1 too (its what i had lying around).

[Zygoat]

It RAN!!!!

she fired for the first time today in over 2 months! apparently the bracket i made was not lining the rear injectors, on the drivers, side up properly. it was kinda hard to tell when i was fabbing it, as it is at the back of the motor. but i unbolted it and i will have to tweak it or make a new one. i took the whole fuel rail assembly off and cleaned it all out removed all of the o rings, cleaned them. then put it all back together with white lithium. no more leaks. then i was able to fiddle around with my distributor to make it work. had to put it in off a few teeth and then realign everything as well as the oil pump. i got vacuum leaks everywhere i turn (even though i tried to connect everything i could and plug up the rest. thats fine tho i just had everything thrown together to make it run right now. i didn't even have the belt on, i just ran it off the batt, and later jumpered to my dads truck. (don't worrie i didn't run it for long so it didn't overheat). i am just so stoked that it finally ran! i was really starting to doubt this whole project. but now i am stoked. i still have a ton of work to do, but at least now i know it will run. its all down hill from here.

thanks all for your help and support.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

YAY!

On the ATF in the vacuum system, I could not find anything in the TSB/troubleshooting sections of the SPO... I did find this:

You need to replace the input seal on the t-case, not the output seal on teh tranny. There is a void where the adapter connects the t-case to the tranny, if the output on the tranny is leaking it will fill up that adapter, and that is no big deal, in fact you need some tranny fluid in there to lubricate the governor. However you need to fix the input seal on teh t-case, otherwise the t-case will get overfull of tranny fluid. Most GM t-cases take ATF.

The vacuum switch controls your 4wdr system, specifically your vacuum activator located on the passengers side fender below the battery. There are three hoses, one hose provides vacuum to the system, one hose provides vacuum to the vacuum modulator under the battery, and the 3rd hose is a vent hose.

You MUST clean out all the fluid in the hoses. Not only does the fluid plug up teh vacuum system for the 4wdr, it is also connected to your heat-a/c vacuum controls. If you have too much fluid it will get into the heat-a/c controls and you will replace them to fix the problem.

Fortunately, you may have caught the problem before it affected your heat-a/c system.
http://www.blazerforum.com/m_17427/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

[Zygoat]

ok well ill look. the fluid in the vacuum ball was def from my tranny tho. i have max life atf in the tranny and royal purple in the x-fer case. so i can tell the difference.

[rentedmule]

congrats on getting it running Zygoat

[sy-clone]

Props to you dude! That's one more truck runnin. Wish me luck with mine. PEACE>Tony

[Zygoat]

so then did i win tony!?!

[sy-clone]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

so then did i win tony!?!

Guess you did man! I'm right behind you thou. PEACE>Tony

[Zygoat]

cool. mine isn't exactly road worthy. i did pull it out of the garage where it sat for the week of spring break while i worked on it. but i had the bare minimum hooked up to make it run. no serp. belt, so it was running off the batt, no coolant, no power steering, i had no throttle cable. luck for me the iac wasn't hooked up so it idled at 2k rpm so i just used the breaks to control the speed. all i did was pull it to the curb and park it. so i don't think any harm was done, in all it was on for probably 45 sec. but drove out under its own power!

i've still got to do a ton of work just to get the 2114 swap totally complete and road worthy.

i need to re work some of the fuel rail hold downs.
i need to re-run and lengthen/shorten, alot of the wiring harness
make a new bracket for the fpr
figure out the upper rad hose. (i have heard something about one of the full size van hoses fitting, as it points straight at the front of the motor. anybody know?)
grind out clearance on the a/c compressor for the fuel rails. i will end up loosing the passenger side rear bolt but i think it will be fine.

ect ect.

another problem i am having is that i have a hell of a time jumping my batt. now that its in the back. the rear glass is opened by an electric silonoid which wont run if the batt is dead. so i kinda need a way to jump it remotely anybody have any suggestions.

[rat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

another problem i am having is that i have a hell of a time jumping my batt. now that its in the back. the rear glass is opened by an electric silonoid which wont run if the batt is dead. so i kinda need a way to jump it remotely anybody have any suggestions.

Positive on the back of the alternator, or if you have a power distribution block somewhere under the hood.

Negative to any ground, like a metal engine part.

[rentedmule]

Zygoat wanted me to post this message for him - I'm not sure what went down, all I know is what's written below.

he'll be updating his project here - http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12595

"hey guys, well i ended up getting blocked from the site, not out and out banned but blocked so i cant get in. cuz the admins are cool like that. in any case i didn't write this to start more stuff. just wanted to let you guys know where my new thread is at. as promised. please stop by and check it out every now and then. i will keep up on your guys projects. if any of you want to get my messenger info or anything else please e mail me JDJustin58@comcast.net

keep in touch guys! good luck to all of you with your projects and life!"

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1988 GMC Jimmy s-15 Sierra Classic 4.3L auto (sold)
1994 Camaro Z28 5.7L v8 4l60e (sold)
97 Chevy Blazer ZR2 4.3L v6 4l60e
flex-a-lite black magic III e fan, Flowmaster 50 series suv custom cat back (dual out), Edelbrock 2114 custom intake setup, Turbonetics custom turbo setup coming.
Exhaust vid: http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u...haust_clip.flv

[s10ls]

i hope its temporary.

[98 SS]

well thats ghey

[[sf]_viper]

man! what a cool build! what happened to this guy?

[King_Ice_Flash2]

http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12595

[[sf]_viper]

well zygoat "told me" that the atf was caused by a faulty transfer case input shaft seal. just in case any of you ran into the same problem.

he did a full write up here http://www.s10planet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14238

he is just a swell guy!

[meyers2211]

nice work justin coming out professional

[[sf]_viper]

shhhh!


i don't want to get not banned again.

[skafia]

[quote=Zygoat;4979811]
...basically i have been crazy busy with school, way more so than i should be for the credit load i am taking (only 13 hours) but it feels like i am taking 16+. guess thats what happens when you check the little box that says you want to be an engineer....quote]

I HEAR YOU ON THAT!!! im takin 16 credit hours to be an engineer too this semester and its kickin my ass and takin me longer to finish my project

[meyers2211]

yep yep wake at 6 get home at 8pm 4 days a week, school two days a week, = trucks take awile to build.......

[4x4zr2GA]

be sure the frame isnt bend anywhere, cuase when you go to get it inspected to get a salvage title and they put it on the frame machine and its off they wont let it pass... of course while its on the machine they could just straighten it for you if its off... its pretty cheap to do. sweet build tho... any internal work planned? as far as cam/head port and polish/ ect?