bad news... good news (turbo Build)

[98 SS]

Ive been thinking about doing a y block setup when I redo mine. Y block to the rails, then back into one into the regulator. But that also adds more lines in an already crowded area.

have fun with the csr waterneck. Its a nice neck, i just had a tough time getting a hose from it to the stock radiator. I went through a couple of the stainless braided flex hoses from summit.....they are crap. You really have to have them supported well or else they will vibrate and leak where the hose types change. Now im using a universal flex hose from autozone and a piece of cut off stock hose as a collar for the radiator side.
(its smaller than the csr neck) works real well, doensnt sparkle though. I didnt want to pay 60 bucks for one of the shiny flex kits with the collars

[s10ls]

Quote: Originally Posted by 98 SS

Ive been thinking about doing a y block setup when I redo mine. Y block to the rails, then back into one into the regulator. But that also adds more lines in an already crowded area.

thats what i did. i know its hard to compare to my truck cause my engine bay is so empty, but heres a pic of mine to give you some ideas. it makes for a good place for a fuel pressure gauge

excuse the old pic

[Zygoat]

yea i don't know i will have to look at it tomorrow. i decided to hold off on the 2114 swap today (after i took a real god hard look at everything needed to make it happen) and instead have been working on prepping all of the front bumper grill and fender flare pieces for the custom herculiner application. it worked really well on the back and is holding up good so i am going for it. i think there is a pic earlier in this thread. it takes forever to prep for everything tho. so sanding and scuffing > me.

i also ran around and picked up what i hope is all of the last minute stuff to put it all together. coolant, extra wire to extend the injector connections and wire in the dutch (sp) connector. ill post some pics of the front pieces later. when i get a little more progress made.

so hopefully i will tackle the 2114 swap tomorrow, but i also think my fuel pump may be going, soo... we will have to see about that.

also spent a good part of the day working on the girls car, as her father did some "fixing" that i then had to fix.

thats all form me for now
stay tuned.

[Zygoat]

i have been wrestling the old intake manifold all day to get it out. here is the only progress picture i have so far.



it is actually completely out and laying on the garage floor right now. i am on break for dinner. but i do have a question hopefully one of you guys can get back to me quick.

is this ****ed and do i need a whole new dist. or can u just get the gear? in either case what parts do you recommend.




thanks guys

[98 SS]

ouch, you should be able to get a new gear. but if your looking for a whole distributor, accel makes one Ive been looking at getting

[Synoma]

I had to change to a brass gear for mine. Cam eats 'em up in a hurry.

[Zygoat]

ok got a big issue with the distributor fitting. as in it doesn't and more or less wont.




i need either a new dizzy that will fix my clearance issues or a new cap that will do the same. if any body has any recommendations on either PLEASE let me know.

unless the position of the distributor body does not matter.(ie the outer shaft and body of the distributor, giving that i still line up the rotor and the cap to the cap position.) if that is the cus then i can rotate it so that i will just fit. but i have to move my fuel rail out for clearance. is that the case? because i have notice that most of the after market dizzys are not indexed on the distributor body. the are just round and you clamp it where ever it needs to be.

the only bit of good news is the other progress i have made.


as i said the old intake is off. i pulled the valve covers, because it is pretty easy now and to check everything out.

passengers side



drivers side


notice the color difference? the only thing i can think of is that i ran some sea foam a few weeks ago and poured it directly into the passenger valve cover via the oil filler neck. so it was probably pretty concentrated in there and sloshed around for a while. are there any other possibilities? and does it indicate a problem. they appear fine and all have oil.

[s10ls]

why not get a new fitting. you have a straight union on the end of the fuel rail, then a 10an 90 screwed to the union. ditch the union and get a 90 degree 10an line to a mail whatever size your fuel rail is tapped for and loop the line up and over the dizzy

[98 SS]

yep, change fittings.

you need to be able to set the distributor at zero to get your correlation right.

Only way i know of doing that though is using a tech2


Make sure that hold down is going to work without pivoting. I had to grind off the hump and put some washers on it. it would allow the distributor to move.

[98 SS]

theres how mine solves the problem

[King_Ice_Flash2]

I can photocopy the part of the GM manual for setting the timing. You CAN put the distributor in at an angle. Pretty much, you put the engine at TDC then line the cap up with a marking on the distributor.

Edit... oops, forgot you still have the stock distributor

I'm curious, but what are you guys hooking the evap line up to, and what size fittings are those on the rubber line coming from the sending unit?

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash2

I'm curious, but what are you guys hooking the evap line up to, and what size fittings are those on the rubber line coming from the sending unit?

im curious about that too! cuz right now i have an evap line going no where. i hope i dont need that little pump or valve or whatever it was that was on the top of the manifold cuz it got...uh...damaged with a screwdriver and a hammer.

[Zygoat]

well i looked for those fittings when i ordered everything originally but didn't find them which is why i went this route, but given that everyone was acting like they exist i looked again and found them. don't know what the hell i was doing the first time. ooh well. i got them ordered up, unfortunately i will now be waiting on them before i can finish. but i guess thats ok because i have plenty of other work still to do, and that can be done without them.

lil progress up date, i got the 2114 in and mounted for mock up. still have alot to do before this phase of the install is complete but with the distributor problem "hopefully" solved things are looking up.


this is how the valve covers looked when i took them off. notice the leaves on the lower right. classic


and this is after a very through cleaning


i don't know why but i really get a lot of pleasure out of cleaning something like that. any one else?

also i LOVE these valve covers, i have seen pics of them on the forums and i thought they were an expensive after market cover. i was way excited to find out they were the stockers. kinda shows you how dirty they were and how buried they are that i didn't know these were them.

and finally the 2114 installed for mock up.


man if felt good when that baby finally fell into place.

well i am just going to keep at.
stay tuned.

[sy-clone]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

im curious about that too! cuz right now i have an evap line going no where. i hope i dont need that little pump or valve or whatever it was that was on the top of the manifold cuz it got...uh...damaged with a screwdriver and a hammer.

I plugged up the hard line and eliminated it with TunerCat by going into the diagnostics list and unchecking the boxes for the codes I no longer want to trigger the Check*Engine*Light*

[sy-clone]

I decided to go with the Accel dizzy because the stock unit is indexed and would require grinding it round so I could use an after market dist. clamp down. Besides, If I've already put so much into this project I might as well invest in a quality dist. Good luck with the install. I'm still hooking up some misc.vac lines, cooling system and a catch can. PEACE>Tony

[98 SS]

mine has a brass fitting jammed into the valve and a vaccum line on it

[98 SS]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

also i LOVE these valve covers, i have seen pics of them on the forums and i thought they were an expensive after market cover.

you will be changing those when you get nice rockers

[Zygoat]

well no nice rockers for me then.

[sy-clone]

Hey Zygoat, look what I just bumped into. Seems my hard fuel lines from the fpr are too close to my dist. and I can't plug in my spark wires. Well back to the drawing board.

[Zygoat]

that'll happen. my new fittings are supposed to arrive tomorrow. so hopefully i will finish up the 2114 install then. i did nothing today as i spent the whole day with the girl. it was nice tho. been working on the truck all day for several days strait. so it was good to take a break. i might tinker a little tonight, we'll see.

good luck tony, hope you get it sorted out.

[Zygoat]

well i got quite a bit done today. mad the tb cable mount. which took for frigging ever, but it cam out pretty nice so i guess it was worth it. i used only the old bracket to make the new one so it looks pretty stock. also i mounted the coil and module. did a little of the fuel line work. all i have left is to set up the injectors and finish the fuel lines. i should finish tomorrow.

no pics today sorry guys.

i also spend a good bit of time prepping things for paint.

i threw my neck out yesterday so i have been moving a little slower, it feels alot better today but was still screwing with me while i was working. i think/hope that it will be all better tomorrow.

thats all for now
stay tuned.

[2002redSdime]

Man that's a lot of work! y don't you just get a V-8? jk keep it up man

[Zygoat]

thanks.

lil update.

i got the 2114 pretty dam near ready to go, given that my distributor solution works, which we will have to see about. ill post up what i did if it works. also got the fuel injector harness done and basically finished up the fuel lines. just have to make the two parts where it connects to the trucks hard line. also got a bunch of stuff painted up and ready to install. you can see the tb cable bracket in the pics.


misc. parts for paint


tb bracket



fuel injector harness on the 2114 with the Deutsch connector.

[Zygoat]

also i think my coil might be arcing, because there are burned spots around the outer case.

i will have to see about that as well.

thats all for now
stay tuned.

[Synoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

well no nice rockers for me then.

Run spacers. I did for a while before I switched valve covers.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Does it clear the hood?

[98 SS]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

also i think my coil might be arcing, because there are burned spots around the outer case.

stock coils and msd blaster coils seem to do that....especially right before they burn out I havnt had good luck with them and boost.


the solution:

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash2

Does it clear the hood?

who u talkin to?

[King_Ice_Flash2]

That would be you with the big 'ol 90 deg intake adapter there.

[98 SS]

dibs on the helicopter

[Zygoat]

it appears to, altho to be honest i haven't closed the hood yet. but it looks to clear it by quite a bit.

and the copter is not mine so no dice.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

And you thought cars were an expensive hobby

[98 SS]

i have a couple nitro cars. those plus the truck are hell on a wallet

[Zygoat]

i do computers and the truck that one gets you too.


also i closed the hood and just as i thought it cleared fine. i actually have several inches of clearance.

[Zygoat]

kinda disappointing but i did not finish the truck today had alot of little issues and one big one, the dizzy still doesn't fit despite my best efforts. so i will have to get an after market one. can the accel one be rotated to any direction or not? i just need to be able to rotate the housing a little and set the rotor accordingly. then i will be set.

pressurized the fuel system and it pissed all over the place. i have gotten most of the leaks fixed be there are still more as of right now. also the a/c compressor hits the fuel line so i will have to buy yet another fitting to try to make it all work. i was really hoping to have it running this week. now school is starting again and the truck doesn't run so i have to leave it at my parents (i have to use their garage because i live in an apartment) until i can get the parts i need and get back down here with time to work on it. it double sucks because its my daily so i got nothin.

hopefuly i will get it figured out eventually but right now its bleak.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Yes, you can rotate the base of the Accel one.

Good luck with the truck! I know how annoying long projects can get.

[98 SS]

I want to say i wass able to drop mine in one off now that i think about it. And i was able to jamb the hold down on the lower collar that doesnt have flat spots. which lets me rotate it.

i think....... kinda fuzzy on that one.

[Synoma]

Mine is one off too.

[Zygoat]

where does the hold down go stock i cant remember ne more? pic would be might helpful but is it the up "bigger/taller" square part or the lower?

[Zygoat]

how r u guys running off one tooth its indexed and it wont seat all the way into the oil pump if its off at all?

[sy-clone]

On the stock dizzy,the hold down clamp goes to the square part of it. Since the position of the clamp is different on the 2114,when you lower the stock dizzy in place, you'll see the dist. cap is turned off to the side and the clamp won't line up with the dist.hold down position. An option would be to round off the square spot on the dizzy so you can orientate it. Then you could clock it to the #1 cylinder spark plug by turning the oil pump shaft. I just went and bought the Accel unit and was done with it. Might as well invest in a quality dizzy to go along with the rest of the build. Hope this makes sense. PEACE>Tony

[98 SS]

You drop it in one off and get the shaft on the oil pump, thats the fun part. Then you get it close to where it needs to be.....should be some marks on the lip of the distributor when the cap is off. Dont use the ring with the squared off parts because the hold down wont fit, use the round one above/below it....dont remember which it is. Use a tech 2 to set correlation within +/- 2 degrees. within .5 preferably, but 2* wont set a light.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

You need a long ass flat screw driver to fit down the hole and turn the oil pump. Just keep turning it like 10 deg at a time... It's a guessing game.

[s10ls]

just put the dizzy in where it needs to be, if it doesnt mesh with the oil pump then turn the motor over by the crank bolt until the dizzy drops the rest of the way. i've done this by bumping the starter to when i was in a hurry also

[Zygoat]

so the oil pump is driven BY the distributor gear?

damit i feel like such an

in that case i believe the stock dizzy will work then, DAMIT i could have had it running.

[s10ls]

yes cam drives the dizzy, dizzy drives the oil pump but not by the gear, look in the bottom end of the dizzy and you'll see

[sy-clone]

Hey Zy, I took a hint on how you positioned your fpr and the coil and came up with this.Close to what you did. Now I have plenty of clearance. Waiting on some fittings to redo the hard frp lines with braided ones. PEACE>Tony

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10ls

yes cam drives the dizzy, dizzy drives the oil pump but not by the gear, look in the bottom end of the dizzy and you'll see

yea i know how it works, the little tab looking guy in the end. i just didn't realize that the pump could be turned separate form the dizzy gear,... for whatever reason.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

It's how you prime the oil system when you rebuild an engine. You hook it up to a drill.

Learn something new every day... especially if you have Alzheimer's.

BTW, That looks nice

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash2

It's how you prime the oil system when you rebuild an engine. You hook it up to a drill.

Learn something new every day... especially if you have Alzheimer's.

BTW, That looks nice

i knew that too. i guess i just got so cought up in thinking about how the rotor and cap have to line up with the cam and motor in the proper point of its rotation that i forgot that the oil pump doesn't give a shit as long as its turning.