bad news... good news (turbo Build)

[Zygoat]

well Christmas came early today! i got a ton of stuff today.

they say a picture is worth a thousand words.



THANKS TONY!!!!!!!!!




pretty excited. i did my first tune on the blazer. nothing major i raised the speed limiter to 256mph (the max setting) and i reduced torque management by 50%. like i said nothing crazy but i am still majorly ****ing excited about it!!! (also i prefer not to screw with things unless i am dam sure what i am doing, because you can mess stuff up fast with the ecm).

i think i need to do the servo swap in the tranny tho. the shifts are better with the new settings but i think that the servos just arnt what they should be after 130k.

[Zygoat]

ooo i almost forgot. that little gray thing in the last pic is a rs232 to usb converter. for those ppl out there with newer laptops that don't have rs232 connectors (also know as db9 or serial) then you will have to buy a convert like the one pictured. that one is made by dynex (dx-ubdb9) i got it from best buy (opened package for $13) normally $35 i think. works fine.

[blacksharpie]

Sweet man looks like things are coming along, how was the jet software? Pretty GUI or just ok?

[meyers2211]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

ooo i almost forgot. that little gray thing in the last pic is a rs232 to usb converter. for those ppl out there with newer laptops that don't have rs232 connectors (also know as db9 or serial) then you will have to buy a convert like the one pictured. that one is made by dynex (dx-ubdb9) i got it from best buy (opened package for $13) normally $35 i think. works fine.

and for those who need the connector DONT BUY A CHEAP CABLE, SPEND $40 on a good converter cable with the software!!!!!
I bought a cheap one and it didn't work because u couldn't get the drivers, went to radioshack 35 bucks came with hardware works great

zygoat what are u using to datalog? i really dislike my autotap and was hoping to buy a dif software

[Zygoat]

i am running pcm scan. very happy with the software, and the forums and support are great, the guy that actually wrote it is the person i see post the most on there. so support is fantastic. i have the elm 327 interface. its slow to me but i think it is the fastest they offer (as a package) but it works with others including auto tap i believe.

check them out. http://www.palmerperformance.com/

[meyers2211]

yea a lot of programs work with autotap, and autotap downloads relatively live, jus the format is terrible.

[Zygoat]

Whats up guys!?

been a while eh? im from Canada eh? (not really)

anyway i finally did some more work on the blazer this weekend!

i got the cat back system virtually finished. and i am stoked. it looks good and sounds better! pics to come. (i didn't have my camera with me) bu ill take some tomarrow and post them up in my exhaust thread and you guys can take a look. i already have some pics and dyno charts (everybody loves those)

also i got the rear bumper fitted and the new end cap as well (to replace the damage from the accident) they well have to come back off for paint. actually i am gonna do a custom color blend hurculiner. to protect it from road debris and rust. i talked to a few different paint stores and all but one said it would not work and that "i would make cottage cheese". so i called herculiners tech line and they said the same thing. the last guy i talked to , who is the guy i go to for paint stuff now, knew his shit. and he told me that a 10:1 ratio of color should work fine. so i did a test this weekend and it appears fine. ill let it hang out until next weekend and see if it spontaneously combusts or something. i think its fine tho.

anywho thats the progress i made, as i said pics tomarrow. then you can tell me what you think.
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f89/fl...t-back-314763/

[Zygoat]

i do have a ? about the map sensor tho. i am planning to run 10 psi. do i need a new map. i was not planning on one. i am currently planning on using an fmu. is it any different if i run a 2114?

can you rescale the tables in computer? it seems like that is what one would have to do with a new map. and then re tune of course.

any info is helpful. and i know that was more than one ?.

[rat]

If you are running a 2114 it may be worth it to run a 2bar. You would have to halve basicaly everything to do with the map sensor. You lose a bit of resolution as well. If you are an auto you need a vacuum modulator, or you will burn up the trans.

Or, you can use the maf. You may need a larger one though depending on boost levels(off annother vehicle, ls1 for example). The maf controls fueling almost exclusively at wot i think, so the map would only hold you back on timing adjustments.

[rat]

Quote: Originally Posted by meyers2211

and for those who need the connector DONT BUY A CHEAP CABLE, SPEND $40 on a good converter cable with the software!!!!!
I bought a cheap one and it didn't work because u couldn't get the drivers, went to radioshack 35 bucks came with hardware works great

zygoat what are u using to datalog? i really dislike my autotap and was hoping to buy a dif software

westers garage makes a version of the palmerperformance software that works with the jet hardware, seems like it would be much faster than the generic hardware, and will utilize the 3 adc inputs on the side of the box.

[Zygoat]

very interesting. i will have to see if the normal pcmscann works with the jet hardware.

[Zygoat]

what if i run an fmu? any need for a new map then?

[rat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

very interesting. i will have to see if the normal pcmscann works with the jet hardware.

I asked Brian over there, and he said no, wouldn't hurt to try though.

If you are running an fmu then you probably don't have the 2114, so you are using the fmu for tuning anyhow.

[Zygoat]

no then


and thats what i meant an fmu in the stead of a 2114

[sy-clone]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zygoat

no then
and thats what i meant an fmu in the stead of a 2114

Hey Zy, I have an fmu for sale.PM me if interested.

[Zygoat]

pm sent

[Zygoat]

updated the exhaust thread.

[meyers2211]

progress? (kick in the ass for some pics)

[Zygoat]

yea you noticed that did you. ive sort of been stalling for the turbo portion of the build up. as i stated i wanted to fix all the shit that got ****ed up in the crash. but past that i have kind of been stalling. my birthday is in .... 6 days (after the mental math) so i am kinda hoping that i might receive some funds that might make a difference in how/ what i do. im turning 21 so its kind of a big deal and i am hoping to get something that might make a difference in which parts i can buy.

also as far as the first portion goes. my dad has been kind of/ really driving me crazy lately. thats an issue because i live in an apartment at school = no garage. and i have to drive 80 miles home to use theres. most of my tools are there also. last weekend i drove the 80 miles down there to work on it and all i ended up accomplishing is painting the exhaust hangers black ( 2 coats) to protect them/ make them blend in to the frame. and then i had to leave rather abruptly cuz i couldn't take it any more. so then i drove the 80 miles back. also kind of/ really having troubles with the girl. and the leaving early thing made the girl mad because her family lives there too and i made her come back up with me (cuz i drove down). and then their is school on top of it so thats kind of what it adds up to.

so yea thats where i am.

i did place a call to rpm to see about ordering the turbo to make sure that they had what i want. but i called them like 6 times now over a few days and left a message,..... nothing. their recording says they are moving so who knows how screwed up they are now.

so thats my life for today. sorry for bringing you down.
go for a drive and you'll be better. i just wish that would fix my problems.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Like a F430

[Zygoat]

here is the newest little bit of fun i have been having.
http://www.monodax.com/forums/tunerc....html#post7800

[Zygoat]

so i did get some more work done on the blazer this weekend. i "finished" the exhaust. i still need to clean up the welds and paint them, and the hangers might need a little more work. i also got 1/3 or the herculiner done. ill post some pics up when i get some.

i finally heard back from the guys at rpm. sounds like they are pretty busy right now, with sema and moving shop, but they have what i need.

now yesterday was my 21st birthday! and i did get a little money from my parents and the party is this weekend so hopefully i might get some more if i do then a 2114 is looking very likely so im hopeful.

if i do go that route what exactly will be needed. (i know all the 2114 stuff like injectors fuelrails... etc.) but what other stuff. do i need a new map (i will not use an fmu if i do the 2114) what about an fpr, does it need to be special? is the vacuume modulator necessary if i get a new map?

i appreciate any info. thanks guys!

[rat]

You can still use the maf if you want to not have to mess with the map, and the vac mod.

Fpr needs to have a vac port and needs a 1:1 rise ratio with boost. I use a single in/out aeromotive adjustable. I had some problems with it, but aeromotive took care of me. Seems to be working well since they fixed it last feb.

[Zygoat]

i am planning on keeping the maf. will i need a bigger one at 10 psi.

[meyers2211]

i needed a bigger one at 3800rpm then i threw a code went into limp too much air code haha

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by meyers2211

i needed a bigger one at 3800rpm then i threw a code went into limp too much air code haha

at least it was right.

[Zygoat]

well here are the pics hope you like them. let me know what you think.





it will eventually go the whole length but that is how much i have done for now. it will really help protect from road debris and rust.

[Zygoat]

ok guys! here is a good one for you worth your time i promise.

but first and UPDATE

birthday went well. had a ton of fun. we had a toga/300 party(the movie if u've seen it, its awesome!) my whole family came out as well as some friends as well as my girl's side (our birthdays are 6 days apart so we had a joint party) and i think i have enough to do the 2114. got some tools too!
as well as stuff for my computer (i am kind of a nerd but my computer, car and girl are my 3 loves. not necessarily in that order.)

still need to do alittle work on the rear as some of the bolts broke when i was putting it back together (maybe the air ratchet was a little much... oh well.)

been looking at all the stuff for the 2114 conversion. i'm a little confused as to everything that i will need. if any one has done it please weigh in and let me know what i need. i got the big stuff but all the little odds and ends that i am trying not to forget about.


ok i promised reading this would be worth it. so here is why.
check it out you won't regret it. this proves i'm not just sitting around on my fat lazy ass all day. 56k might take a bit, but still doable.

Turn it UP and ENJOY!!!

[King_Ice_Flash2]

*Cough* Where's the turbo whine? */cough*

It's loud!

I got a throttle body adapter from the 2114 to the stock TB from 98SS, which I am guessing he had custom made.

What in particular did you have a question about? EGR, FRP, injectors, impedence, heater hose?

[Zygoat]

its surprisingly quiet in the cab. i think he did have it custom made. i was looking at getting it from him for a while. but then it looked like i couldn't afford the 2114 but now it does again. thats the way the world works. egr the choices are pretty much gone or gone right? i think i might have seen someone do a custom setup for it.

fpr any recommendations i am looking at one from aeromotive.

injectors have to be high impedance correct?

what about the heater hose.

any issues with the distributer.

any other hang ups

[98 SS]

ill have my other adapter up for sale in the near future. Ill be posting pics of my new setup soon too.

[Zygoat]

well i ordered up my turbo. finally.

turbonetics to4e 50 trim stage 5
ceramic bb wet housing dynamic seal
.63 ar

i think that is it, complicated little buggers. i just hope everything works out.

[Zygoat]

for those of you who were starting to wonder... im not dead! and in fact i have good news. my 2114 is finally here
















my turbo should have been here today but it is not i will call them(race proven motors) tomorrow and check the status of the order. other than that i guess i have to do some work now. i am pretty swamped right now cuz finals are upon us. so hopefully i will be able to get it built up over winter break.

couple questions what can i use for gaskets for the mounting surfaces like the ones between the tb and the elbow and the elbow to the 2114? there is currently silicone caulk ... thats right like in your bathroom, between the two. i dont think that that will work under 10psi boost.

also should i use this tb or my stocker? this one never had the half moon from the looks of it and it measures 4" in dia. at the flange the plate its self is smaller best i can measure without taking it apart 3" or 2 3/4". dont know much else about it.

thats about it for now i just got to get to work! but at least i got some parts now!!!

[rat]

Thats an ls1 throttle body, i would just use that. It is the same diameter as stock, but has a better flange for hose clamps and intake tubing.

I would use rtv for the gasket surfaces. If you want to cut gaskets you can make some, napa i know sells gasket sheet.

[Zygoat]

yea i was thinking about that gasket sheet stuff but i wasn't sure about the boost if it would hold up or not.

[chriszr2]

yeah it will hold if you cut your own, put some hylomar on the gasket if you want to be able to reuse them, or just use some gray silicone without a gasket

[Zygoat]

more great news! this came for me today!













im very excited this thing is gorgeous! i could just sit and stare at the curve of the exhaust blades for hours.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Should be a pretty fast truck.

[s10ls]

looks awesome, should be a quick spooler for sure. how big is the compressor wheel?

still debating between a turbonetics turbo or an s400sx for the new motor. should be cool to see how you like the turbonetics stuff, i only hear good things about the TC series

[Zygoat]

hay man sorry i never answered i must have got distracted and then didn't see any new posts. inlet is 3" i don't remember the exact dimensions on the compressor wheel.

as an update i ordered my 2bar map sensor today from gmparts direct. all the dealers around here wanted like 80+ for it i got it for 50 something shipped.
pn 12580698

so looking forward to that so i can get the 2bar set up going. a little nervous about all the tuning thats involved tho. oh well its time to sink or swim.

[meyers2211]

after 2 tuning books memorized, plenty of time under the hood and lots of time reading and datalogging i'm taking it to a professional tuner $500 gets me a great tune with lots of dyno time.

i'm droolin over that turbo

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by meyers2211

i'm droolin over that turbo

you have no idea

[Zygoat]

well i got my gage pillar pod today


along with me aem dry flow filter and a new headlight bracket to fix the one that got damaged in the wreck.

also the dutch connector for the 2114 injectors.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Man, I don't know how you are only going to live with a 2 pod pillar... I want one for like 4 or 5 gauges

[Zygoat]

ill have to stain the pod to match the rest of the interior. everything is coming along tho. there are just soooo many dam parts!

[Zygoat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash2

Man, I don't know how you are only going to live with a 2 pod pillar... I want one for like 4 or 5 gauges

yea i would like to have 3 but funds are still some what limited so i got the most important ones and that will have to do. i like them ne how should be nice and clean.

[Zygoat]

well got a little work done on the truck.


i made up a set of brackets for the fuel rails. made them out of 1/8" aluminum stock. they of course took way longer to make then they should have, just like everything. but each one is different so they all had to be custom. i think they came out pretty good and they are plenty strong.


reminds me of the "raising the bar" commercials

[Zygoat]

well i bought the intake manifold gaskets today from the dealer. about $50. not bad for what you get.



they are pretty thick


don't think they will have any trouble with boost. (thats a quarter)

also bought some sea foam, gonna put it in the crank soon so it can run a little bit before i drain it and do the build up. so it should ne nice and clean when the turbo goes on.

also got some vinyl and plastic dye for the gage pod. so we will see.

[Zygoat]

well i got the gage pod painted/ stained with the plastic/vinyl paint.

it matches fairly close and i think that after it gets a little sun and fades some it will match pretty well. it took 5 coats to get it all covered good but i think it cam out well. i only finished a few hours before the snow hit, so that was pretty lucky! i plan on working on installing the gages and working on the fuel rails some tomorrow.

[King_Ice_Flash2]

Wonder how well boiling it in Rit-Dye would work.