HOW TO: TB Blade Removal

[LeSabreUltra]

noma98 - I've spent enough time working around on my project car to know what it feels like when a mod improves performance, yes through the seat of the pants, but also through more objective tests like those I mentioned above. It simply takes less throttle and the engine doesn't work nearly as hard, or rev as high, to accelerate like it used to driving around town.

I'm not going to say that this mod adds any overall power, or even that it will improve WOT acceleration because I don't know that for sure yet. To be honest I have yet to floor my truck.

But the fact remains is that at part throttle, the engine response and power output IS better, it's not just a throttle response trick. If that were the case, the car would be shifting at the same points (downshifting uphill, revving higher while accelerating etc) when it's not.

I'm familiar with TPS mods like you mentioned, in fact there was one circulating around for the TPS on my project car a while back that I tried. It involved modifying the actual part instead of adding a chip, but the effect was the same. Turned out I hated it and went back, but it wasn't anything like this...the car still shifted the same but it was just more sensitive.

I've driven it enough that by now, the ECM would have adjusted and corrected for the different airflow. And it's still improved, if anything it's better than it was when I first changed it now that it's running at the proper air/fuel ratio.

Believe me, I'm dead set against mods that do nothing except "trick" the car for a while and are just a waste of time and/or money. I've had people try to sell me tornadoes and throttle body spacers for years.

Like I said, I won't argue that it adds overall power, or for what it might do at WOT, because I don't know. What I do know is that it does greatly improve partial throttle (everyday) driving dynamics.

I still wholeheartedly recommend this to everyone, unless maybe you drive a manual and really don't want a touchy throttle.
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[BlazerChops]

Quote: Originally Posted by LeSabreUltra

I still wholeheartedly recommend this to everyone, unless maybe you drive a manual and really don't want a touchy throttle.
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I have a 5-speed and doing this mod DOES NOT in any way make the throttle "touchy". That's just another BS rumor floating around the forums.

In fact, on that note, throttle response really isn't improved that much, if at all either. That's more dependant on the ECU tuning more than anything else. If I stab the gas pedal, I still get the same old hesitation as I did before the TB mod.

All this mod does is make a shit-load more air available to the engine, which helps out greatly in low to mid range power.

[lesterl]

Got to keep in mind the ECU will be learning the way you drive (altering shiftpoints and fuel mappings based upon how you drive it.)

[BlazerChops]

Quote: Originally Posted by lesterl

Got to keep in mind the ECU will be learning the way you drive (altering shiftpoints and fuel mappings based upon how you drive it.)

I don't drive any different now than I did before the mod, and the improvements are still there. I have a manual so the only thing altering shift points would be me, which I haven't.

[lesterl]

I was actually reffering to the different results between peoples testing getting different results, we all drive our vehicles in different manners and thus the ECUs dont run the trucks the same.

[Cronk]

can i do this on my 1991 4.3?

[lesterl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cronk

can i do this on my 1991 4.3?

That Question has been asked and answered 5X now, please read the whole thread, it is only for the Vortec models 1996+

[Cronk]

Quote: Originally Posted by beaniebmx

probably the same reason as it was on my 1st gen 2.5l, it had some tube that restricted air intake for driveability or something.

i was just clarifying cuz this ^^^ confused me. sorry.

[shortS10owner]

did it to mine today, we;ll see

[lowcherrydime]

Quote: Originally Posted by shortS10owner

did it to mine today, we;ll see

post up results

[shortS10owner]

it definitely feels a tad stronger and quicker at low rpms, but it feels like it lost some power up top, but that might be because my computer is trying to adjust it some, i'll give it a few days and see what it does then

[noma98]

Quote: Originally Posted by copenhagen311

noma98 i dont know why yer so dead against this mod but here is a idea instead of sayin we are all thinkin with our dicks..either say im glad yall like this mod but i dont see the point im not doin it..

but instead u have to be a jerk and not try to have a rational debate about it but i just want u to know that no matter what u may think it does make a difference hey here is a idea go to a junk yard bet a tb blade cut the damn thing up install it and try it for a week .If u still think omgzzz this is lame install yer stock one back on and then u can see its not my dick tellin me nothing..

good day
happy 4th of july
hope my dick dont get me in trouble today

I said your ASS is doing the thinking, not your dick.
This mod has been around since the inception of S forums along with TPS enhancers, TPS mods themselves, MAF gutting, IAT tricks from resistor value adding to moving them.
Its been highly debated well before most of you's joined forums. It also has been tested many a time by many a pro do this mod person to which it was found it absolutely added no value other than the initial reaction (feel) it gives when the computer has to relearn a new curve thrown at it.
I'd say dam near a hundred 1/4 miles runs were done and 8 personally known about dyno runs.
So don't tell me I'm acting like a jerk instead of having a rational debate because thats been done. Every year or 2 since I first did this mod, yes, I was the first S forum poster to have done this mod and posted it, someone finds a post about it, does it, takes pictures and thinks he found a killer mod and it starts over again.
This is my sons screen name and every once and awhile I poke around seeing nothing has changed since I gave up with these trucks and forums years back. Its my laptop he is playing with so it automatically logs on with his name.
I've owned a S truck since there inception in 82 til the day I sold my 05 Blazer. Every trick has been tried and proved one way or another what it does or does not do. Data logging, 1/4 mile runs and dyno runs have all been done by myself and others from the original forums starters. V-8's have been swapped and parts developed and a host of more than half what you read. I use to run a forum which is still intact today to which the other forums still surviving, still to this day have my articles plagiarized along with my forums peoples writeups etc..

Myself, Kossuth and one other guy, can't remember his screen name developed the defuser removal, bored TB's, MAF modifications, 02 stimulators, TPS enhancers, TPS mods, EGR limitation mods, EGR gasket screens along with a few other tricks. I still have the prints for these made mods which others stole the ideas and began companies like CFM tech. I am a machinist and use to bore TB's, MAF's, make throttle plates and EGR limitation mods. Once I found out EXACTLY what was going on with some of these I dropped them only to have others take this for personal gain with no regard as the the harm they could inflict

With the number of my forums people , the other S sited and Full size chevy.com I got MSD to make us a coil. It took 100 preorders, countless emails etc for them to begun production.

Wynjammers was another personal ask/push that happened as a result of Machine Performances lies and deceit about the whole ATI supercharger fiasco. I soloed the attack after a purchase of such a unit to which we tested it out and found the claims were exaggerated to double to triple what actually would happen. You know the guys whom once protected this company and its lies then came onto the forums again after the dust settled to tell the real story. Not one got under high 13's, most of the other 1/4 mile runs were made up. Dyno runs were made up and truck motors blew to pieces more than half the time. These injectors will not flow over 23 lbs and hour no mater what you put behind them.

Street performances took my intake spacer which was made to raise the upper plenum so I could add a second feature to ^ the floor and help with upper rpm ranges. They took the spacer idea and went it alone because just with the intake moved up that shrouding of the rear 2 cylinders by tge injector pack was reduced enough the motor breathed a whole lot better and did make a tad more power.


This is not new to me in the least.

Many a company to you's people was started by us original posters and forums owners.
Suicide Doors
Street Performance somewhat
S 10 Warehouse
CFM tech

and others are the direct result of the forums. You ask, you were willing to pay, we made.

Plain and simple as that!!! I still make monies off of developed parts and still share ideas. always have and always will, just gave up with any S10 part, but help the kid with his!!! Know why parts you think should have been made weren't? CHEAP, plain and simple. S10 owners are cheap and talk, but do not purchase in numbers enough to cover start up costs. Where did I get this from? Manufacturers mouths, that where!! I went to many with proposals about products stuff and was told this. We tried before and they just won't pocket it to support it, talk a nice story, but!!!! That was before GM though about dropping the lineup and MILLIONS had these trucks. According to the manufacturers we were the cheapest bunch of people going and they decided Mini trucks weren't worth the effort, Ricers was a bigger market with deeper pockets.

Somewhat a book, but I guess it was needed to come out.
While your at it, want to know why this forum exists and where it came from???? GREED, PROFITS is just a starting point!!!

[BlazerChops]

Quote: Originally Posted by noma98

I said your ASS is doing the thinking, not your dick.
This mod has been around since the inception of S forums along with TPS enhancers, TPS mods themselves, MAF gutting, IAT tricks from resistor value adding to moving them.
Its been highly debated well before most of you's joined forums. It also has been tested many a time by many a pro do this mod person to which it was found it absolutely added no value other than the initial reaction (feel) it gives when the computer has to relearn a new curve thrown at it.
I'd say dam near a hundred 1/4 miles runs were done and 8 personally known about dyno runs.
So don't tell me I'm acting like a jerk instead of having a rational debate because thats been done. Every year or 2 since I first did this mod, yes, I was the first S forum poster to have done this mod and posted it, someone finds a post about it, does it, takes pictures and thinks he found a killer mod and it starts over again.
This is my sons screen name and every once and awhile I poke around seeing nothing has changed since I gave up with these trucks and forums years back. Its my laptop he is playing with so it automatically logs on with his name.
I've owned a S truck since there inception in 82 til the day I sold my 05 Blazer. Every trick has been tried and proved one way or another what it does or does not do. Data logging, 1/4 mile runs and dyno runs have all been done by myself and others from the original forums starters. V-8's have been swapped and parts developed and a host of more than half what you read. I use to run a forum which is still intact today to which the other forums still surviving, still to this day have my articles plagiarized along with my forums peoples writeups etc..

Myself, Kossuth and one other guy, can't remember his screen name developed the defuser removal, bored TB's, MAF modifications, 02 stimulators, TPS enhancers, TPS mods, EGR limitation mods, EGR gasket screens along with a few other tricks. I still have the prints for these made mods which others stole the ideas and began companies like CFM tech. I am a machinist and use to bore TB's, MAF's, make throttle plates and EGR limitation mods. Once I found out EXACTLY what was going on with some of these I dropped them only to have others take this for personal gain with no regard as the the harm they could inflict

With the number of my forums people , the other S sited and Full size chevy.com I got MSD to make us a coil. It took 100 preorders, countless emails etc for them to begun production.

Wynjammers was another personal ask/push that happened as a result of Machine Performances lies and deceit about the whole ATI supercharger fiasco. I soloed the attack after a purchase of such a unit to which we tested it out and found the claims were exaggerated to double to triple what actually would happen. You know the guys whom once protected this company and its lies then came onto the forums again after the dust settled to tell the real story. Not one got under high 13's, most of the other 1/4 mile runs were made up. Dyno runs were made up and truck motors blew to pieces more than half the time. These injectors will not flow over 23 lbs and hour no mater what you put behind them.

Street performances took my intake spacer which was made to raise the upper plenum so I could add a second feature to ^ the floor and help with upper rpm ranges. They took the spacer idea and went it alone because just with the intake moved up that shrouding of the rear 2 cylinders by tge injector pack was reduced enough the motor breathed a whole lot better and did make a tad more power.


This is not new to me in the least.

Many a company to you's people was started by us original posters and forums owners.
Suicide Doors
Street Performance somewhat
S 10 Warehouse
CFM tech

and others are the direct result of the forums. You ask, you were willing to pay, we made.

Plain and simple as that!!! I still make monies off of developed parts and still share ideas. always have and always will, just gave up with any S10 part, but help the kid with his!!! Know why parts you think should have been made weren't? CHEAP, plain and simple. S10 owners are cheap and talk, but do not purchase in numbers enough to cover start up costs. Where did I get this from? Manufacturers mouths, that where!! I went to many with proposals about products stuff and was told this. We tried before and they just won't pocket it to support it, talk a nice story, but!!!! That was before GM though about dropping the lineup and MILLIONS had these trucks. According to the manufacturers we were the cheapest bunch of people going and they decided Mini trucks weren't worth the effort, Ricers was a bigger market with deeper pockets.

Somewhat a book, but I guess it was needed to come out.
While your at it, want to know why this forum exists and where it came from???? GREED, PROFITS is just a starting point!!!

Holy cow! This has got to be the largest bunch of BS I have ever seen in one place! Yeah sure, we believe you dude. We know that's your "son's" login on "his" laptop. We also know that you are the "creator" of the S10Forum and all of the s10 mods and s10 aftermarket companies out there.

And thanks to you and your great wisdom, we now know that our asses have their own imaginations. Gee... Thanks!









Here's a little gift from me to you. Enjoy it and try not to wear it out too soon. These things are expensive! LOL

[BlazerChops]

Quote: Originally Posted by shortS10owner

but it feels like it lost some power up top, but that might be because my computer is trying to adjust it some, i'll give it a few days and see what it does then

Yeah, mine did at first as well. Just let the ECU do its thing and it will get better.

BTW, don't listen to numb-nuts above. I think he's been doing a little too much of his own special blend of chronic.

[lesterl]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cronk

i was just clarifying cuz this ^^^ confused me. sorry.

On the 2.5l there is a small plastic reducer that reduces the overall diameter of the intake snorkel to less than the diameter of the TB, it is usually the first piece to be cut out of a 2.5l system.

[noma98]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlazerChops

Holy cow! This has got to be the largest bunch of BS I have ever seen in one place! Yeah sure, we believe you dude. We know that's your "son's" login on "his" laptop. We also know that you are the "creator" of the S10Forum and all of the s10 mods and s10 aftermarket companies out there.

And thanks to you and your great wisdom, we now know that our asses have their own imaginations. Gee... Thanks!









Here's a little gift from me to you. Enjoy it and try not to wear it out too soon. These things are expensive! LOL

God you can't read can you?????? ASS/U/ME!!!

Myself and others were the ones whom got S-Series forum going after a split off from S-Series ORG.
I then later started S10 Planet and gave that up in 02.
I said we, meaning more then myself came up with the ideas for most of these little mods.
The first forum enthusiasts are the ones whom now own these little companies that you guys now buy from.

I know how this whole forum started, why it did and was there for the forum war which none of you have any idea what happened and why.

I did personally create the EGR mod, TB blades and a few other mods and prove me wrong!!!!

I did the first brackets to hold a Wynjammer on a S10.

I got MSD to make coils with the aided help from Full size forum admins.

This is my Laptop and I own all the computers within this house hold and my son does long onto this site with it, thats how I get on.

Sorry little child that I have been around S10 forums of many names since 1997 when it all started. The Western NY S Owners group in conjunction with the Canadians started S-Series Forum on Lunatics server, we were the second S site.

PROVE ME WRONG before you make other ASS/U/MPTIONS.

[noma98]

Lets see if this had a working members list it would be Sonoma 96.
And the sites been redone so us old members that haven't been around for a long time can't log on without rejoining.

On S10 Planet it was Obi Wan or Jedi Master.

All the other S sites but Mys10 its also Sonoma 96.

MyS10 its OLD MAN.

I bet Pocono Joe remembers me since he tried to give me shit before, for going against this mod and thats why I left some contact numbers so he could now CALL DELPHI and find out what this plate is which is exactly what I've posted before. Now he can't bother the engineers I knew working there because they've all gone on to better things.


Yup, let the kid have the forum back because its the same bullshit, different children and different year!!!

[lowcherrydime]

[sparky2613]

how many of you have aftermarket intakes ?

i have to k/n intake swap and a bigger mas air sensor.

and after the mod, i have seen great improvement!

BUT!, thats just me....

[shortS10owner]

I have an AEM c.a.i., and just the stock MAFS, so I think that made it a little more responsive also. I like the way it feels, only been a full day, but I've been playing around with it. It shifts at lower rpms, and on the highway, seems to stay at a little lower rpms than it used to at speed. Just every once in a while it wants to hang at about 1200 rpms and not drop till I hit the brakes to slow it down. I might have to loosen and re-tighten the torx bolts a little less tight

[lowcherrydime]

Quote: Originally Posted by sparky2613

how many of you have aftermarket intakes ?

i have to k/n intake swap and a bigger mas air sensor.

and after the mod, i have seen great improvement!

BUT!, thats just me....

you and everyone else in this thread save for a few naysayers.

[Onimun]

Bloody hell, shits getting serious in here. Both of you need to calm down and get back on topic. Who cares, you both have your own opinions and neither needs to prove anything to the other.

From the sounds of it, it definatly need to try this out. Seems like its a good easy modification. Has it been proven what that nipple thing does on the Blade?

[shortS10owner]

It was basically put there to reduce throttle response so you don't drag race off every complete stop. Removing it undoes this and basically adds a little bit more touchyness to the throttle, making it more sensitive, thus more responsive, from what I gather

[BlazerChops]

Quote: Originally Posted by Onimun

Bloody hell, shits getting serious in here. Both of you need to calm down and get back on topic. Who cares, you both have your own opinions and neither needs to prove anything to the other.

From the sounds of it, it definatly need to try this out. Seems like its a good easy modification. Has it been proven what that nipple thing does on the Blade?

Oh don't worry. I'm calm. I just like to call when I see it, that's all. I'm not upset and certainly not trying to prove anything. However, it's not just one's "own" opinion, it's a large collective opinion of 95% of the members that have done this mod and approve of it.

As for that actual nipple thing mounted on the plate, I don't know. I have no clue what that thing is.

[lowcherrydime]

maybe the GM designers liked nipples so much they incorporated it into the design of one of the engine components

[Onimun]

Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime

maybe the GM designers liked nipples so much they incorporated it into the design of one of the engine components

Could definatly be. I am going to hold my opinion on this modification until i actually perform it.

[98s10bb]

I did the mod, still on the fence about it. I like the added throttle response it feels a little more instantaneous but I dont know if i am a fan of the lower shift points. Anyone know why it changes the shift points?