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Old 09-07-2010, 07:51 AM   #201
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Quote: Originally Posted by BTE
my rag joint doesn't have that plastic shell, is that normal?
i was able to carefully remove the plastic shell before i removed the bolt and install it after i had it back together. it can flex but be careful not to break it. get another from a junkyard
Old 09-07-2010, 09:12 AM   #202
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

I too have never really had a problem removing them, and it never takes close to 30 minutes. I have always used that vacuum hose trick, like someone earlier has posted. I have a 96 Blazer 4x4. 10-15 minutes tops. I break all of them loose then use a 18volt drill, and extension to run them the rest of the way out. There is however very little if any clearance to #3, but that is where the vacuum line comes in.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Quote: Originally Posted by 1sic03x
i just used What?'s setup.

and heres out you get #3 out. lol.

i done mine for the 1st time and #3 broke on me but i done it with out removing the steering shaft or jacking the motor up. took me 1hr. and then i found this thread i can do it 20 min with a beer brake
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

thanks guy. Its time for me to tune the rascal up and just found two great ways to help. Why all the fuss? Both are great methods.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Praise the lord for S10Forum.com because I am new to S10's and this was my first time changing my sparkplugs I did all of them but #3 yesterday I gave up on #3 then came inside and started searching. I found this thread and in about a hour plan to get back out there this morning and get that damn #3 plug changed .. because i am finished w/ the others and wires and cap and rotor on my 2000 ZR2
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

I'll post a how-to here soon. I have both a 93 blazer (steering column not so much in the way) and a 96 s-10 (steering column a big issue). I was told by an old timer a few tricks. :P I'll edit in the link when I am done.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

that was indeed a very lengthy procedure. I just cut in half a 3/4 wrench and placed it on the spark plug and took the top part of my floor jack bar and laid it over the tire and under the plug...pushed down (which pushed the bar up) and turned the plug....same way back in. took what, about three or four minutes
Old 06-01-2011, 07:50 PM   #208
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

I have a '97 and the space is very limited and probably on par with the other space issues, but I did have enough room to snap on a socket with a little doing. I couldn't get even a small adjustable wrench in there to turn the socket, but I wasn't about to mess with the steering; I did remove the plastic cover to look at it and imo disconnecting it was more trouble than it's worth.

So I just popped the rivet out of an old swiveling socketwrench and snapped the drive part into the sparkplug socket, then turned it with a small screwdriver through the hole to loosen the plug. Once it was loose (about 1/4 turn) I used a smaller screwdriver to spin it around a couple times then finished removing it with my fingers. Installed the new plug the same way. Popped the rivet back into the socketwrench and called it a day.

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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

then your truck has more space between #3
and the steering shaft than some others do..
i cant even slip the socket onto my #3.

if you have the space to do it like this, then
thats good, but for some trucks, pulling the
steering shaft is the only viable option...

now some have recomended breaking the #3
plug to get it out, but that procedure doesnt
work too hot on re-installing it....

BTW, slipping the shaft off of the steering
box is NOT difficult to do....
Old 06-02-2011, 06:21 PM   #210
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Yeah they keep saying that in this thread, but I think the variable is not (for later models as has been the focus pertaining to space issues) the clearance between the steering intermediate and the plug, but the size and fit of the tools used, and the ingenuity of the operator. I think the issue is that your socket is too long, or your wobble is too fat, or your wrench is too big, etc. NOT your truck has a random amount of clearance and some are too small (within the years mentioned here, which 1997 is right in the middle of) to be able to solve this issue without removing the steering intermediate. Don't get me wrong, hats off to the guy who figured out how to do it and insists its the best way because it's his thread, but I bet after doing mine I could do yours too,without ****ing with the steering.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

unlikely you could do mine...
im sure if you hacked up a socket, you might
eventually get it out.
i probably could too, if i had LOTS of time to kill...

but why even bother, when slipping the shaft off
of the box is so damned easy to do????
you do realize theres only ONE bolt to remove???

i dont get it... some of you act like youre scared to
death to touch the steering shaft.....
i can R&R my shaft from the steering box in only
a couple of minutes...
Old 06-02-2011, 07:04 PM   #212
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Every post of yours I've seen in this thread has been dead set against any other possible solution except disconnecting the intermediate, and judging by the way you practically got on your knees and praised the OP, I believe you are just completely unwilling to accept that the plug could be changed any other way, even though lots of people with very similar years/models have done so. Hacked up a socket? False. I just used the one I bought at autozone and a little ingenuity. Tiny part from an existing swiveling wrench, I mean really, far from "hacking up" anything.
Old 06-02-2011, 07:22 PM   #213
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

And, a political statement on a car message board, with a pic in your sig at that? Wow.

Shouldn't you be praising Obama for saving GM?
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

nonsense. not at all...
if you can find a way thats easier and more practical,
by all means, use it...
but the fact still remains, for some of us, its just
simply not going to get any easier than lifting the
steering shaft. period....

and as for that DULLARD currently in the White House,
i doubt he could even locate the spark plug on a push mower,
much less anything else.
perhaps with the assistance of his TELEPROMPTER, maybe
he could....

and he DIDNT "save" GM... GM should have restructured under
bankruptcy, without government interference...
it would have been better for them.
and since Ford handled itself financially much better than
GM and Chrysler, i rewarded them with my last new vehicle purchase..
wife got a new 2011 Escape...
if or when GM can keep its financial head out of its ass, i might
consider buying from them again...
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma
nonsense. not at all...
if you can find a way thats easier and more practical,
by all means, use it...
but the fact still remains, for some of us, its just
simply not going to get any easier than lifting the
steering shaft. period....

and as for that DULLARD currently in the White House,
i doubt he could even locate the spark plug on a push mower,
much less anything else.
perhaps with the assistance of his TELEPROMPTER, maybe
he could....

and he DIDNT "save" GM... GM should have restructured under
bankruptcy, without government interference...
it would have been better for them.
and since Ford handled itself financially much better than
GM and Chrysler, i rewarded them with my last new vehicle purchase..
wife got a new 2011 Escape...
if or when GM can keep its financial head out of its ass, i might
consider buying from them again...

To back you up on my 1997 removing the steering shaft is definitely required to get to #3. Even if you can come up with a way to not remove it why fight it so hard when the shaft can come off so easily. I literally can walk out to my truck right now and have the shaft off in 2 minutes flat, (and yes you can time me) So I just take the shaft off the knuckle and move it out of the way. sadly I am an expert with this because I change my plugs about every 3-5000 miles due to needing it.
Old 06-03-2011, 01:15 AM   #216
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

exactly...
i can barely get the plug wire boot off with the steering
shaft in place. even pulling the plug wire is easier with
the steering shaft out of the way.

on some of these trucks, you can get the #3 plug out
without HAVING to move the shaft, others, not gonna happen.
i cant even unthread my plug all the way without the tip of
the plug contacting the shaft.
Old 06-08-2011, 04:49 PM   #217
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I mean really, how much of a bitter old pos do you have to be to post anti-Obama rhetoric on a message board about a car?

Pic out of sig, faggot.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

you know, i was considering removing it, but since it still appears to effective,
i guess i'll leave it be, jenny...
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Quote: Originally Posted by Jen
I mean really, how much of a bitter old pos do you have to be to post anti-Obama rhetoric on a message board about a car?

Pic out of sig, faggot.
Considering how long this douche bag has been here and only 5 post - why pay any attention to him? JUST another GRIEFER wanting some loving....

...say boy, you sure got a pretty mouth...
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

rlith: Great job. I knew the steering shaft had to be moved, but did not know the proper procedure. I appreciate your straight forward approach and explanation.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

just to add my 2 cents make sure the steering wheel is locked, if you remove the steering shaft and by chance happen to spin it it could potencially break the clock spring. other than that this is a good way to do it, didint need it on my truck but a good idea none the less
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

The tip from this thread helped me. I could not even think about removing my #3 without moving the steering shaft. The ex mani has a heat shield that would not allow for me to access the socket with a wrench even if I could get it on there. Which I couldn't. It is now easier to change plugs on my dime faster than on my FWD car.
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Perhaps these pics will help some understand the difficulty
Of getting at #3 on many of these trucks.…





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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

I used to just pull the motor when I needed to change mine, allowed me to replace all gaskets that didn't need replacing and also clean the inside of the block out with seafoam and a brillo pad.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

im a mechanic, worked on many different years s-10s and blazers never once did i pull a shaft i went through the wheel well everytime with basic tools and a swivel socket you can get at any parts store or sear
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Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK
I used to just pull the motor when I needed to change mine, allowed me to replace all gaskets that didn't need replacing and also clean the inside of the block out with seafoam and a brillo pad.
You can just pull the heads… no need to pull entire engine.
However, your method does have merits.
Brillo pad huh? .…hmmm.... I'll have to remember that one...
But if you do it your way, might as well replace the oil pump
While you're in there...

Ive thought about lifting the cab off the frame, but I'd have to pull
that steering shaft if I did that....so, forget it!
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Quote: Originally Posted by turbine
I want to thank you guys for this post. I changed my plugs today for the first time , and would have had no idea how to change the middle plug on the driver's side. With this post and the post that recommended removing the front tires and working through the fenders, the job was very easy. I appreciate your help!

What he said....
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Try it first without removing the front wheels.
Unecessary, IMO.
On some lower sitting trucks it's likely you'll
Need to jack the front end up.
But I don't even have to do that on mine.
In fact, the tires provide a nice arm prop
While I'm changing the plugs...
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

is the plug wire easier to remove than the whole plug ? or just as difficult ?
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

well, on mine it's not easy to even get at the plug wire boot
with the steering shaft in place.
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Bacho Bendable wrench with a short pipe is a good solution for the center plug
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Orrr just pop the steering shaft. Takes 5 seconds.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

but if i use that snap on tool s9723 socket do i still need tu move the steering shaft or if am able to remove it without any problem ???
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

probably depends on how much clearance you
have with the steering shaft. varies from one truck to the next.

but before I spend $37 on that socket that may or may not help,
I'd lift the steering shaft up, and be done with it in less time than
it would take to buy or order this socket...

seriously, once you lift the steering shaft, you'll have all the space
you need to change that plug with just a std. socket and long extension,
and once you realize theres no big deal to it, you'll wonder why you ever
considered doing it any other way...
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I barely have enough room to get the boot off the plug, never mind removing the plug. Just make sure to mark the steering shaft and box before taking the shaft off.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

The difficulty of removing #3 and #4 spark plug apparently varies for vehicle to vehicle.

After doing it three or four times since my engine was rebuilt two years ago, I put together the right combination of tools. I removed the passenger side spark plug shield to make it easy to get to the spark #1 and #3 plug. I bought a cheap spark plug boot puller which solved the most difficult part of the job. Now I can inspect or change all six plugs in 30 minutes. That includes R&R the air cleaner assembly.

I don't check the plugs as often as I did in the first 5,000 miles after the rebuild. I quit using those fake AC Delco Rapidfire platinum electrode spark plugs and installed Denso TT Platinum electrode spark plugs. There has been no reason to even look at the Denso spark plugs in the last 4,000+ miles.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

While changing my spark plug I'm changing the gasket of my header as well with moving the steering shaft as mentioned I should have enough room to remove the header as well?
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

I'm not challenging removing the steering shaft, it's just that I've never considered it necessary. I've done lots of plug changes on these trucks and not come across one that I had any problems with changing #3.

The spark plugs are easiest to change from under the fenders and while I'm there I find it faster to just change #3, never thought it would be faster to remove the shaft. Now I WOULD remove the shaft if I had a real struggle with the plug, just not been there yet. For those who do remove the steering shaft remember, if your truck has an airbag, DO NOT let the steering wheel spin!!

The video here is me changing #3 spark plug in my 98 Blazer in real time, less than 3 minutes. I don't think I could remove that plastic rag joint cover, the steering shaft bolt, remove and replace the plug, reinstall the rag joint connection and reinstall the plastic cover quicker than 3 minutes!


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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

^ But to be fair, your Blazer looks easy. If you can actually film spark plug 3 without some crazy camera angle, then few people would have any difficulty with servicing that sparkplug.

But that said, on mine where you can't really see #3, I didn't need to pop out the shaft either. I found it easiest to take the wheel off and go through fenders.

The key is to have not a swivel socket but a 5/8 spark plug socket with the swivel/ujoint built in (makes the socket overall a bit shorter). NAPA makes one. That and a long extension to get good leverage and a small pipe for extra torque.

Easy.

I found #4, the middle plug on the opposite side, harder because of the oil dipstick tube.

I'm glad I did the sparkplugs, though. #3 wasn't changed by the last owner. My truck now has Iridium AC Delcos in there. Whereas before it had 5 Autolite platinums, and 1 very old AC Delco copper.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

Just did Plugs on Dad's 2002 S10 and had no choice but to remove the Steering Shaft for the #3 Plug. I've changed Plugs more than a dozen times in our past & present 4.3L equipped S10s and, although #3 has been a bit tricky, I've never had to do this until now. This shows me how much variance there can be from specific vehicle to vehicle.

Quote: Originally Posted by MC Slide Hammer
I found #4, the middle plug on the opposite side, harder because of the oil dipstick tube.
Had this trouble for the first time as well. The old Plug came out fine, but the new one kept wanting to crossthread during installation. I finally threaded the Plug in by hand, but then the socket wouldn't slide onto the plug. I noticed the Dipstick Tube interfering with the socket, so Dad & I removed the bolt holding the Dipstick Tube Bracket and moved the tube so the socket would slide on. Once the Plug was in and snugged up, we replaced the bracket bolt.

Also want to add, going thru the Wheel Well is the only way I'll do either side. Even with the (factory) Wheel/Tire in place, you have so much more room to work compared to trying to accomplish this within the confines of the engine bay.
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

If you have trouble getting the plugs started it can be something interfering, like was suggested, the heat shields are often the cause. You can use a piece of 3/8" hose on the plug to get it started.
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did this today and took about 30min total for everything. runs great now
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Thank you for the tip! Works good for my 2003 considering I'm too old to fight stuck caps and hard to access plugs. It would be cool to know the torque requirement for the 11 mm bolt but any way Thanks again!
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Re: How To: Change #3 spark plug

really? i did it in about the time as a normal plug, you get a snapon universal sparkplug socket with a 2 ft extension,. go through the inner fender and under the steering shaft and the socket will go right on, give the rachet a good smack to the left and bam you got the plug out
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