traction bars

[lil_khris_pit81]

will traction bars work on a on a trucc lifted 2" in the rear. or will i need to order a special set.wat are some good ones

[1fast4by]

Caltracs...

[The_Raven]

Wrong forum much?

[Rustdaway]

Traction bars on a 2.8. I will have to remember that joke. 80RWHP and you need traction bars. LMAO.

[charels]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

Traction bars on a 2.8. I will have to remember that joke. 80RWHP and you need traction bars. LMAO.

then its kicking some massive torque because i can roast them all the way into 3rd. im running lakewood traction bars, and some 265/50/15

[Rustdaway]

With a 2.8 there is no need for traction bars.

I can spin 265s as well without the posi rear, 32 or higher PSI. The ass end of these trucks weighs nothing. The springs are more than strong enough to hold the axle at the proper angle. New shocks might be needed.?.?

My 3 cylinder GL would roast 1, 2 and 3.

You want TQ buy a diesel.

[The_Raven]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

With a 2.8 there is no need for traction bars.

I can spin 265s as well without the posi rear, 32 or higher PSI. The ass end of these trucks weighs nothing. The springs are more than strong enough to hold the axle at the proper angle. New shocks might be needed.?.?

My 3 cylinder GL would roast 1, 2 and 3.

You want TQ buy a diesel.

I figured you would have learned by now that comments like this are not needed and only make you look like a jack ass.

Track bars would work on a 4cyl, if need be.

It's not about how much power you have at the crank, it's about getting it planted, and that's where traction aids come into play.

If a vehicle is not planting the power it has, then something should be done to ensure the power does get planted. This could be in a 20 HP go-cart, or 2500 HP EZ street car, if the chassis doesn't plant the power for whatever reason, then that has to be taken care of.

Because the ass end of these trucks are light, is even more of a reason to get better traction, and using traction aids may be the answer.

So in short keep your misinformed and uneducated comments to yourself.

[neo71665]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Raven

I figured you would have learned by now that comments like this are not needed and only make you look like a jack ass.

Track bars would work on a 4cyl, if need be.

It's not about how much power you have at the crank, it's about getting it planted, and that's where traction aids come into play.

If a vehicle is not planting the power it has, then something should be done to ensure the power does get planted. This could be in a 20 HP go-cart, or 2500 HP EZ street car, if the chassis doesn't plant the power for whatever reason, then that has to be taken care of.

Because the ass end of these trucks are light, is even more of a reason to get better traction, and using traction aids may be the answer.

So in short keep your misinformed and uneducated comments to yourself.

So true on all accounts, esp the last comment.

Rustdaway, if you really hate these motors and/or trucks so badly just do us all a favor and sell yours and leave us be.

[lil_khris_pit81]

well i have a 2.8 tbi 5-speed and when i dump the clutch or leave hard my bacc end just hops around. so i was tryin to solve it. but if i want traction bars on a 4cyl auto. thats my choice. But thanks guy for the imput and not the negative bs!!!!!!! and i think ima go with lakewood. but the regulars will work wright???????

[The_Raven]

Quote: Originally Posted by lil_khris_pit81

well i have a 2.8 tbi 5-speed and when i dump the clutch or leave hard my bacc end just hops around. so i was tryin to solve it. but if i want traction bars on a 4cyl auto. thats my choice. But thanks guy for the imput and not the negative bs!!!!!!! and i think ima go with lakewood. but the regulars will work wright???????

I made my slapper bars based on the design of the Lakewoods, it's really quite simple.

Previous to putting them on, the truck would "dance" or wheel hop, and generally just not hook up. After installing them the tires planted, hard, and it actually became difficult to get the tires to break loose with the slapper bars installed. I was quite surprised, I didn't think it would make that much of a difference.
Unfortunatly I never did get back to the track with the traction bars installed before pulling the truck apart. I just know that on the street they worked exceptionally well. I may be selling them as I think I will be lowering the truck, and with the new direction of the truck I won't be racing it anyway, so hard off the line accel is not really a concern.

[Rustdaway]

Quote: Originally Posted by The_Raven

I figured you would have learned by now that comments like this are not needed and only make you look like a jack ass.

Track bars would work on a 4cyl, if need be.

It's not about how much power you have at the crank, it's about getting it planted, and that's where traction aids come into play.

If a vehicle is not planting the power it has, then something should be done to ensure the power does get planted. This could be in a 20 HP go-cart, or 2500 HP EZ street car, if the chassis doesn't plant the power for whatever reason, then that has to be taken care of.

Because the ass end of these trucks are light, is even more of a reason to get better traction, and using traction aids may be the answer.

So in short keep your misinformed and uneducated comments to yourself.

What about adding a couple hundred pounds to the rear end? Put air bags on it? Rear Sway bar? Trans bars from the axle to the tranny brace? It's just crazy to be using the word "Power" and "2.8L" together.

I dont hate these trucks. Owned too many to hate them, just think talking about traction bars on a 2.8 is funny to say the least. There are so many other options available.

Who all is getting wheel hop with a posi rear end with a 2.8?
What shocks are you using?
What RPM are you launching at?
What is your max TQ RPM?
Brand of clutch?
Agreed that even a 4cyl could use traction bars, but have you seen them on any that are not modified?

Not creating an arguement just trying to understand why traction bars would be needed?

[greencactus3]

you can have a horse drawn buggy on leaf springs. depending on what you want out of it, traction bars may be good for that..
so yea.. stfu

[neo71665]

I've always liked cal-tracs better than slapper bars. If you handy with a welder and basic hand tools you can build your own pretty cheap.

http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Traction.html

[The_Raven]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

I've always liked cal-tracs better than slapper bars. If you handy with a welder and basic hand tools you can build your own pretty cheap.

http://www.hotrodsandhemis.com/Traction.html

Agreed, there are better designs, and only made slapper bars because it was easy(ier) than building Caltrac design or Slid-a-links, and worked well.


Rustedaway:

I think this thread is evidence enough that even stock 2.8s can use traction aids.

You ARE here just to create an argument, just like you've done in the past.

Adding weight? Yeah, because that will take care of axle wind up. Besides, I don't know of any track that will allow items in the bed when racing.

Changing shocks? Yeah, because that will control osilation and spring flex.

Sway bar? Do you even understand how suspension works? The only thing that a sway bar will do is keep the truck "level", and not very well at that, it doesn't help plant the wheels any more, though there might be a slightly more equal distribution of power through more equalized traction, but then, wouldn't that be a traction aid? Just like a slapper bar? Hmmm. I think so.

Tranny brace? you mean a torque arm? Yeah, because that is NOT a traction aid. What do you think the function of a torque arm is? Its to prevent axle wind up JUST LIKE traction bars do.

Even with my tired carbed 2.8, I could get wheel hop and my suspension was all in good shape, certainly not brand new, but not worn out. Once I installed the Franken60, all I had to do was stand on the throttle even from a roll and I would either hop or dance.

Launch RPM is only part of it, and if you can launch at a higher RPM with the use of a traction aid why wouldn't you use the traction aid?

Your posts are weak, so please stop.

[Rustdaway]

Anytime you want too compare 60' times let me know. There is no need for traction bars on a 2.8 S10. They will not improve times anymore then a good driver can launch the truck.

My comments above are to see who has done what to the suspension and or tried what.

Again, who has a Positive rear wheel drive S10 with a 2.8 in it?

Traction bars will help, but they are not needed nearly as much as a driving class to help learn how to launch the vehicle.

These trucks do not create enough force to even worry about spring flex.

Put 4 springs under it instead of 3. Put the air pressure down to around 23lbs, Max TQ on these trucks is around 2200 RPMs. Rev it to about 1800 and with the above setup and the front sway bar unhooked, have a positive traction rear end, add some air bags and find the proper air pressure and it will launch harder than a 1 wheel wonder traction bar S10 2.8.

4 springs is what these trucks should have if you are planning on launching them since they can be had for about $40. Unhooking front Sway will allow the front end to raise up shifting weight to the rear. The air bags will add a touch of weight and put the proper tension on the axle to stop the hopping problem. The 23lbs will help the cup turn into a nice sized patch when it is launched properly.

Tired of guys talking about these things launching hard with their 14 inch tires or way over inflated 15s. They do not launch with or without traction bars.

What is the 60' times with traction bars?

What is the 60' without traction bars?

Interested in seeing the benefit in factual numbers. These are stock 2.8L S10s I am asking about.

[neo71665]

Rustaway, you might need this to get out the hole you keep digging yourself

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[The_Raven]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

Anytime you want too compare 60' times let me know. There is no need for traction bars on a 2.8 S10. They will not improve times anymore then a good driver can launch the truck.

My comments above are to see who has done what to the suspension and or tried what.

Again, who has a Positive rear wheel drive S10 with a 2.8 in it?

Traction bars will help, but they are not needed nearly as much as a driving class to help learn how to launch the vehicle.

These trucks do not create enough force to even worry about spring flex.

Put 4 springs under it instead of 3. Put the air pressure down to around 23lbs, Max TQ on these trucks is around 2200 RPMs. Rev it to about 1800 and with the above setup and the front sway bar unhooked, have a positive traction rear end, add some air bags and find the proper air pressure and it will launch harder than a 1 wheel wonder traction bar S10 2.8.

4 springs is what these trucks should have if you are planning on launching them since they can be had for about $40. Unhooking front Sway will allow the front end to raise up shifting weight to the rear. The air bags will add a touch of weight and put the proper tension on the axle to stop the hopping problem. The 23lbs will help the cup turn into a nice sized patch when it is launched properly.

Tired of guys talking about these things launching hard with their 14 inch tires or way over inflated 15s. They do not launch with or without traction bars.

What is the 60' times with traction bars?

What is the 60' without traction bars?

Interested in seeing the benefit in factual numbers. These are stock 2.8L S10s I am asking about.

What is your deal?

Yeah lets add more leafs, and make the ride harsher, instead of bolting on some simple traction bars that will not effect the ride. More leafs will help with load capacity and that's about it.

BULL MOTHER PHUKING SHIT that the stock 2.8 can't wind up the springs, like I said my tired carbed 2.8 did, so please stop with your "there's not enough torque or power" argument, it's very poor at best, and simply not true.

So lets NOT use any traction aids, and launch softer, just to apease rustedaway, because he says traction aids, especially bars are not needed.

Everything that you say you added are just different avenues that are TRACTION AIDS, so why are you so down on using a different form of traction aid?

I can guarentee that traction bars will lower 60' times, that is what they are used for. Unfortunatly I wasn't able to get back to the track with my slapper bars installed to compare before and after 60' times, but I can tell you they made a HUGE difference in launch, and planting the rear tires. BTW, before traction bars on my truck I was able to get a 2.07 60' beating the shit out of my clutch to do so, I'd rather use some track bars, plant the tires and not (need to) beat on my clutch thank you.

Posi helps yes, but that won't prevent wheel hop, since that doesn't control axle wind.

rustedaway, I strongly suggest you stop posting in this thread, ANYONE that owns a 2.8 S-series, stock or otherwise knows that these trucks can be difficult to launch hard, without the use of traction aids, and these people will only look at you like the fool you are.

[greencactus3]

lol at assuming EVERYONE only drives in a straight line and worries about traction on launch alone

[Jonny_00]

i don't have a 2.8 or even a v6 for that matter... i got a 2.2 and i put a set of lakewoods on it and they do help... with out them i get alot of wheel hop and with them i don't so it all works they they should.... just like ive seen jeep wranglers with two sets of traction bars one in the rear and one in the front it keeps the axles from twisting on the springs and helps you keep the traction... SO IF YOU WANT TRACTION BARS ON YOU 2.8 GO FOR IT THEY'LL HELP

[The_Raven]

I just wanted to add that anyone serious about drag racing thier S-series and has to retain the leaf sprung rear end will swap to lighter rear springs, usually "mono-leaf" (single leaf), to get the weight to transfer to the rear better than even a stock 3 leaf spring will allow.

[lil_khris_pit81]

thanks guys but i just want to stop the wheel hop. I didnt mean to make you guys get into an argument

[34blazer]

slapper bars FTW my uncle makes them so i got mine for free and everyone of my s10 beaters danced around like a crazy jackalope until i lifted off the throttle. i remember my black longbed ran a 16.9 at around 73-74mph. the best 60' times were around 2.2 without wheelhop. one run at norwalk the wheelhop was so bad it popped the trans out of 1st gear. sprayed track+golddust= loss of teeth and cluster headaches. so my vote goes to slappers and a pinion snubber

[neo71665]

Quote: Originally Posted by lil_khris_pit81

thanks guys but i just want to stop the wheel hop. I didnt mean to make you guys get into an argument

Its cool just sorry the troll had to decide to make an ass of himself in your thread.

[Rustdaway]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

Its cool just sorry the troll had to decide to make an ass of himself in your thread.

Name calling. That shows maturity. What was stated above about a setup without traction bars was not disputed and stands as a fact, so ............


Betting the 2.8s are about a 12 second 1/8 and about a 18 second 1/4 vehicle with or without TBs. Lets see some time slips. I am interested.

[34blazer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

Name calling. That shows maturity. What was stated above about a setup without traction bars was not disputed and stands as a fact, so ............


Betting the 2.8s are about a 12 second 1/8 and about a 18 second 1/4 vehicle with or without TBs. Lets see some time slips. I am interested.

well if all my timeslips wernt faded, id post 'em. my best(as stated above) was 16.9 at 74ish. i had a hollowed cat, and a 4.3 throttlebody and a hypercrap. no traction aids and i launched at 2000 and feathered the clutch in.

[neo71665]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

Name calling. That shows maturity. What was stated above about a setup without traction bars was not disputed and stands as a fact, so ............


Betting the 2.8s are about a 12 second 1/8 and about a 18 second 1/4 vehicle with or without TBs. Lets see some time slips. I am interested.

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No name calling on my part, and yet again you wanna say your the mature one? We already had to have one thread cleaned out in here cause your the "mature" one and surprisingly your "mature" comments were the ones that were the most deleted.

So yet again I ask you to please go to OT or the flame forum if you wanna pick fights and leave us to discuss topics like grown folk (or kids I guess it would be by your definitions).

[charels]

i launch at 3000 to 4500. then let off for a split sec to stop the spinnin but w/o the traction bars theres no way in hell.

[Rustdaway]

Pretty sure my comments weren't off topic. The setup stated above would work as good or better than "slapper bars" with a decent driver behind the wheel as agreed by another member in this forum.

Raise a question about a post and it has to be moved to another forum? What good does discussion do then?

If problems were needed comments such as "Dont you have your dad's truck to work on?" would of been posted or loose irrelevant comments such as "your definitions". Ya, that was me that posted that.

I pointed out another option other than TBs to be used. Stating they are not necessary. A setup that showed there are not necessary was posted and agreed upon as being feasible and workable.

It's true you can put a TB on a mopad, but with the proper training and commitment to learning the launch patterns of the vehilce you care so much about they can be found to not be needed.

Nobody stated what RPM they are launching at the requires wheel slip and at what RPM wheel slip will have with TBs to make a fair comparisson to see how "needed" they are.

This is a discussion forum last I knew. Not a life or death struggle and everything is SO serious make a mistake or mispelling and half the board dies. Come on. With your last breath are you seriously going to question a post on this board? It is a discussion forum.

Never recieved any complaints about posts I have made. PM box is empty from any admins.

If people take posts personally, they need to reevaluate their lives if it means life or death to them. Please, get help.

[The_Raven]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rustdaway

Pretty sure my comments weren't off topic. The setup stated above would work as good or better than "slapper bars" with a decent driver behind the wheel as agreed by another member in this forum.

Again, I will say this:

slapper bars work VERY WELL, without taking away load carying capacity or changing the ride quality AT ALL. EVERYTHING you have suggested, will change ride quality, or modify load capacity. Also some of what you suggested goes against what other people that are truely serious about racing thier S-series pick ups do. I bet I am one of the best at launching a poorly set-up car suspension wise and would still rather throw on a set of slapper bars than beat the shit of my clutch, or hold back the loud pedal, because you don't believe it's beneficial.

Quote:

Raise a question about a post and it has to be moved to another forum? What good does discussion do then?

It's your asshole and better than thou responces that are what is contraversial, and saying that one resolution to the problem is not needed, simply because YOU don't think that these trucks have enough "power" to use such a device, even though there are multiple other people that have stated otherwise, through person experiance or truely looking at what other more serious racers have done.