hows my heads look?

MRSHAGGWELL · 09-01-2008, 01:45 PM

resurfacing of the flywheel doesn't cause chatter just half ass work

paxter · 09-01-2008, 01:57 PM

Got it on the power. I've had mostly very good results with having flywheels resurfaced, but I did have one done that was not right and had to take it apart and redo it. The guy that cut it the second time said it was out .012". Not good and chattered badly. A reputable machine shop can do this with no ill effects and normally you only replace when the flywheel gets too thin or the heat cracks can't be removed.

paxter · 09-01-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MRSHAGGWELL

resurfacing of the flywheel doesn't cause chatter just half ass work

It will if it's not true.

MRSHAGGWELL · 09-01-2008, 02:10 PM

well I have had my same flywheel for 5 years and turned 3 times, and neutrally balanced by myself. I personally havn't problems with it or any of the other 100+ clutches I have installed. circumstances like the one from above are rare but do happen.

paxter · 09-01-2008, 02:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MRSHAGGWELL

well I have had my same flywheel for 5 years and turned 3 times, and neutrally balanced by myself. I personally havn't problems with it or any of the other 100+ clutches I have installed. circumstances like the one from above are rare but do happen.

Agree, I only had it happen once, but took it to a different shop and it was out. Either the machine or the machinist, don't know which.

The_Raven · 09-01-2008, 03:35 PM

Actually resurfacing the flywheel DOES indeed move the clutch farther away from the clutch lever/arm. It moves the entire assembly towards the engine. It may only be a few thousanths, but it can in some cases make all the difference.

The recommended procedure when resurfacing a flywheel is to use a shim between the flywheen and crank equal to the amount shaved off the flywheel itself, to keep the geometry of the clutch release mechanism proper and within proper travel distances.

In older cars, there could have been so much difference between astock flywheel and re-srufaced flywheel that some times the clutch wouldn't disengage properly, causing the clutch to be essentially slipping and over heat the clutch on shifts, due to the friction. Most people wouldn't notice this in daily driving, but for those of us that drive spirited, we usually noticed in a hurry.

That being said, I don't recall ever using a shim, since I've only ever had to remove a couple thousanths at most when resurfacing the flywheel and it doesn't seem to have made for any poor drivability.

pearl91chevy · 09-01-2008, 04:13 PM

so depending on how much i have taken off, i should shim it for it to be correct?

paxter · 09-01-2008, 05:47 PM

Never shimmed one and never had a problem. Either with a hydraulic clutch or mechanical. There is plenty of adjustment in either to make up for the material removed. In older cars (mechanical) you adjusted the threaded linkage to get the proper clearance.

pearl91chevy · 09-02-2008, 07:56 PM

trying to find someone right now to get my valves cleaned up, forgot what is called though

The_Raven · 09-02-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy

trying to find someone right now to get my valves cleaned up, forgot what is called though

Lapping?

If that's the case, go buy a lapping tool, it looks like a stick with two suction cups on it, because well, that's pretty much what it is, and some lapping compound. It's pretty easy to do. You should have a guide in your Haynes manual.

pearl91chevy · 09-02-2008, 08:10 PM

sweet!! alot better then spendin who knows gettin it done by a shop.. ill go check around at some parts stores to see if that got anything

pearl91chevy · 09-14-2008, 12:49 AM

plans are figuring out the exhaust for tomorow.. and hopefully if a shop is open, get it mandrel bent..

pearl91chevy · 09-14-2008, 02:23 PM

well didnt get much done due to my friend having to goto a football party.. but we did manage to get some pipe bent for the crossover pipe.. were running 2 1/4 for size..

pearl91chevy · 09-22-2008, 10:45 PM

finally got the crossover pipe figured out cause i had time to lol.. pretty much a straight shot using a 90degree.. i just need the other side to bolt it together, only prob is i had to take off that brace underneith the tranny for it to clear.. but it should sit more then high enough so it wont drag.. also figured out a much better way to do the piping for the exaust side.. gonna be tricky but its possibly.. pretty much run it over the crossover pipe and between the valve cover and cab.. kinda hard to explain but it makes sense in my head..

pearl91chevy · 09-29-2008, 10:40 PM

as of probly 15 min ago i finally finished plumbin the exhaust.. after many many trips to the exhaust shop for bends its done.. i just need the pipe welded since its all tached together.. but now motor can come out and be built up while truck gets paint!!!!

that crossover pipe will sit a few inches higher when done..

and for the muffler just gotta stick my turn down on the end.. and the muffler will also sit higher once the bracket is made to hold it..

neo71665 · 09-30-2008, 12:03 AM

Looks awful, you must pull it out and let me um dispose of it for you. Yeah, lol

pearl91chevy · 09-30-2008, 09:18 AM

i dont get it lol

pearl91chevy · 09-30-2008, 10:50 PM

my shop let me take the truck and cherry picker home today which means i got the motor out!! spent about 2 hours on it including making 2 trips to menards.. but acually went real smoothly.. even got the heads sittin back on the block again, but now the fun begins!!

xtremebilly · 10-01-2008, 04:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy

i dont get it lol

he wants to "recycle" your turbo set-up. haha.

pearl91chevy · 10-01-2008, 09:19 AM

o i bet he does lol

neo71665 · 10-01-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy

o i bet he does lol

Looking great, keep it up.

pearl91chevy · 10-03-2008, 10:45 PM

hey guys.. i need a lil help.. im about to put my heads back together on the truck and dont exactly rem how they go.. would anyone have a picture or the instructions on how the heads are re-assembled? and on another note ill have new pics up tomorow

pearl91chevy · 10-04-2008, 12:15 PM

few more...

pearl91chevy · 10-05-2008, 12:09 PM

sent ARP a message concerning bolt/studs for my motor but still nothing yet.. in the mean time, what should i do head gasket wise?? would i be alright with a normal fel-pro one?

prodan · 10-09-2008, 09:10 PM

heres my motor
im going to re paint the valve covers and surface rusted stuff stuff stuff theis wenter u otta mount ur alt like i did mine

pearl91chevy · 10-09-2008, 11:37 PM

ehh im mounting mine were the smog pump used to be.. im gonna be needing room up there for the intercooler piping.. thanks though

34blazer · 10-10-2008, 03:08 AM

wheres the belt tensioner?

The_Raven · 10-10-2008, 09:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 34blazer

wheres the belt tensioner?

The alternator is the tensioner on the above pictured engine.

Using a spring loaded tensioner is definatly a better way to go though.

prodan · 10-10-2008, 04:36 PM

its not like its gonna hurt my belt or anthing.
im waiting to se what it takes to tune this so please go into detal and stuff when it comes to that, when ur done with yours im prolly going to start doing mine

pearl91chevy · 10-10-2008, 05:44 PM

ill make sure i put up all info on here... still got a long road ahead of me though

prodan · 11-04-2008, 07:19 PM

any updates

pearl91chevy · 11-04-2008, 11:59 PM

none as of now. i bought a new truck so i gotta get some more money saved up

34blazer · 11-05-2008, 01:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy

none as of now. i bought a new truck so i gotta get some more money saved up

you better hurry up, im almost done

83blazer28 · 11-13-2008, 11:16 AM

And the race is on!!!
I wanna see this thing done it looks good!!!!!!

09-01-2008, 01:45 PM	#201
MRSHAGGWELL s10 user & abuser Age: 30 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 71 Location: MO User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? resurfacing of the flywheel doesn't cause chatter just half ass work
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09-01-2008, 01:57 PM	#202
paxter Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Got it on the power. I've had mostly very good results with having flywheels resurfaced, but I did have one done that was not right and had to take it apart and redo it. The guy that cut it the second time said it was out .012". Not good and chattered badly. A reputable machine shop can do this with no ill effects and normally you only replace when the flywheel gets too thin or the heat cracks can't be removed.
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09-01-2008, 01:58 PM	#203
paxter Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by MRSHAGGWELL resurfacing of the flywheel doesn't cause chatter just half ass work It will if it's not true.
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09-01-2008, 02:10 PM	#204
MRSHAGGWELL s10 user & abuser Age: 30 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 71 Location: MO User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? well I have had my same flywheel for 5 years and turned 3 times, and neutrally balanced by myself. I personally havn't problems with it or any of the other 100+ clutches I have installed. circumstances like the one from above are rare but do happen.
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09-01-2008, 02:13 PM	#205
paxter Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by MRSHAGGWELL well I have had my same flywheel for 5 years and turned 3 times, and neutrally balanced by myself. I personally havn't problems with it or any of the other 100+ clutches I have installed. circumstances like the one from above are rare but do happen. Agree, I only had it happen once, but took it to a different shop and it was out. Either the machine or the machinist, don't know which.
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09-01-2008, 03:35 PM	#206
The_Raven Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 869 Location: The Nest User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Actually resurfacing the flywheel DOES indeed move the clutch farther away from the clutch lever/arm. It moves the entire assembly towards the engine. It may only be a few thousanths, but it can in some cases make all the difference. The recommended procedure when resurfacing a flywheel is to use a shim between the flywheen and crank equal to the amount shaved off the flywheel itself, to keep the geometry of the clutch release mechanism proper and within proper travel distances. In older cars, there could have been so much difference between astock flywheel and re-srufaced flywheel that some times the clutch wouldn't disengage properly, causing the clutch to be essentially slipping and over heat the clutch on shifts, due to the friction. Most people wouldn't notice this in daily driving, but for those of us that drive spirited, we usually noticed in a hurry. That being said, I don't recall ever using a shim, since I've only ever had to remove a couple thousanths at most when resurfacing the flywheel and it doesn't seem to have made for any poor drivability.
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09-01-2008, 04:13 PM	#207
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? so depending on how much i have taken off, i should shim it for it to be correct?
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09-01-2008, 05:47 PM	#208
paxter Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 54 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Never shimmed one and never had a problem. Either with a hydraulic clutch or mechanical. There is plenty of adjustment in either to make up for the material removed. In older cars (mechanical) you adjusted the threaded linkage to get the proper clearance.
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09-02-2008, 07:56 PM	#209
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? trying to find someone right now to get my valves cleaned up, forgot what is called though
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09-02-2008, 07:59 PM	#210
The_Raven Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 869 Location: The Nest User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy trying to find someone right now to get my valves cleaned up, forgot what is called though Lapping? If that's the case, go buy a lapping tool, it looks like a stick with two suction cups on it, because well, that's pretty much what it is, and some lapping compound. It's pretty easy to do. You should have a guide in your Haynes manual.
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09-02-2008, 08:10 PM	#211
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? sweet!! alot better then spendin who knows gettin it done by a shop.. ill go check around at some parts stores to see if that got anything
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09-14-2008, 12:49 AM	#212
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? plans are figuring out the exhaust for tomorow.. and hopefully if a shop is open, get it mandrel bent..
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09-14-2008, 02:23 PM	#213
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? well didnt get much done due to my friend having to goto a football party.. but we did manage to get some pipe bent for the crossover pipe.. were running 2 1/4 for size..
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09-22-2008, 10:45 PM	#214
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? finally got the crossover pipe figured out cause i had time to lol.. pretty much a straight shot using a 90degree.. i just need the other side to bolt it together, only prob is i had to take off that brace underneith the tranny for it to clear.. but it should sit more then high enough so it wont drag.. also figured out a much better way to do the piping for the exaust side.. gonna be tricky but its possibly.. pretty much run it over the crossover pipe and between the valve cover and cab.. kinda hard to explain but it makes sense in my head..
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09-29-2008, 10:40 PM	#215
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? as of probly 15 min ago i finally finished plumbin the exhaust.. after many many trips to the exhaust shop for bends its done.. i just need the pipe welded since its all tached together.. but now motor can come out and be built up while truck gets paint!!!! that crossover pipe will sit a few inches higher when done.. and for the muffler just gotta stick my turn down on the end.. and the muffler will also sit higher once the bracket is made to hold it..
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09-30-2008, 12:03 AM	#216
neo71665 4x4 v6 blazer Age: 28 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,373 Location: rison arkansas User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Looks awful, you must pull it out and let me um dispose of it for you. Yeah, lol
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09-30-2008, 09:18 AM	#217
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? i dont get it lol
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09-30-2008, 10:50 PM	#218
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? my shop let me take the truck and cherry picker home today which means i got the motor out!! spent about 2 hours on it including making 2 trips to menards.. but acually went real smoothly.. even got the heads sittin back on the block again, but now the fun begins!!
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10-01-2008, 04:26 AM	#219
xtremebilly Registered User Age: 19 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 36 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy i dont get it lol he wants to "recycle" your turbo set-up. haha.
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10-01-2008, 09:19 AM	#220
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? o i bet he does lol
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10-01-2008, 11:41 AM	#221
neo71665 4x4 v6 blazer Age: 28 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,373 Location: rison arkansas User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy o i bet he does lol Looking great, keep it up.
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10-03-2008, 10:45 PM	#222
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? hey guys.. i need a lil help.. im about to put my heads back together on the truck and dont exactly rem how they go.. would anyone have a picture or the instructions on how the heads are re-assembled? and on another note ill have new pics up tomorow
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10-04-2008, 12:15 PM	#223
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? few more...
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10-05-2008, 12:09 PM	#224
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? sent ARP a message concerning bolt/studs for my motor but still nothing yet.. in the mean time, what should i do head gasket wise?? would i be alright with a normal fel-pro one?
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10-09-2008, 09:10 PM	#225
prodan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 366 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? heres my motor im going to re paint the valve covers and surface rusted stuff stuff stuff theis wenter u otta mount ur alt like i did mine
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10-09-2008, 11:37 PM	#226
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? ehh im mounting mine were the smog pump used to be.. im gonna be needing room up there for the intercooler piping.. thanks though
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10-10-2008, 03:08 AM	#227
34blazer Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? wheres the belt tensioner?
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10-10-2008, 09:10 AM	#228
The_Raven Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 869 Location: The Nest User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by 34blazer wheres the belt tensioner? The alternator is the tensioner on the above pictured engine. Using a spring loaded tensioner is definatly a better way to go though.
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10-10-2008, 04:36 PM	#229
prodan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 366 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? its not like its gonna hurt my belt or anthing. im waiting to se what it takes to tune this so please go into detal and stuff when it comes to that, when ur done with yours im prolly going to start doing mine
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10-10-2008, 05:44 PM	#230
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? ill make sure i put up all info on here... still got a long road ahead of me though
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11-04-2008, 07:19 PM	#231
prodan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 366 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? any updates
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11-04-2008, 11:59 PM	#232
pearl91chevy Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,162 Location: Rockford, Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? none as of now. i bought a new truck so i gotta get some more money saved up
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11-05-2008, 01:36 AM	#233
34blazer Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 393 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? Quote: Originally Posted by pearl91chevy none as of now. i bought a new truck so i gotta get some more money saved up you better hurry up, im almost done
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11-13-2008, 11:16 AM	#234
83blazer28 paint color? ... Mud =D Age: 16 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 576 Location: Baltimore, MD User is: OffLine	Re: hows my heads look? And the race is on!!! I wanna see this thing done it looks good!!!!!!