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Old 01-20-2008, 08:08 PM   #1
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what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

First off, I am looking into purchasing a 98+ S10 5 speed.

Everyone I talk to seems to warn me about the headgaskets. Is there any truth to it? What is the source of the problem? These are low compression 9:1 motors right?

Can anyone give me any real evidence of this? It seems like even my friends who own these cars said things to me like, "its got 100K with no HG problems yet"

lol

Also, how much better are the MPGs for a 2.2 5 speed vs a 4.3 5 speed?

Thanks guys!
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

the 2.2 and the 4.3 are notorious for headgasket to go.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

my 97's HG was replaced under warranty at under 30k
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i hear mixed things about head gaskets, mpg will be anywhere between 19-26 miles, dependant on how you drive of course
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

I have heard so much shit I do not know what to believe...

Someone enlighten me.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Quote: Originally Posted by 2.2sleeper
the 2.2 and the 4.3 are notorious for headgasket to go.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

I've got 199,800 miles on the original head gasket, and it still has great compression. Personally I think people must beat the living hell out of their trucks to make the head gasket pop at anything less then 125000 miles
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

You have to change the coolant on a regular interval
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

lol same 95 with stock headgasket at 140K miles later still runs like a champ
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

I think dexcool had alot to do with most of the early failures. As posted earlier change your coolant regularly. Just because they say you can go 150k on the stuff dont make it so.
I have a question though. I wonder if someone makes a mls gasket for 2.2s like what lsx engines use.

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i dunno what some ppl have with dexcool, its what was in it when i swapped it out at 100K with new dexcool and no problems in the last 40K miles
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Yes, head gaskets are known HOWEVER,can be prevented with easy maintaince

replace water pump 60-80k
use 180* TStat, 15* cooler actually help prolong 2.2L top end life because stock tstat puts average of 200-220* without-with a/see in variety of condition. With 180*, it'll never see over 205* I have yet to hear blown gasket with 180*tstat and coolant cleaning/replacing every 80-100k. I got 134k on my 2.2L with 180* and several mods, half of its life was driven high rpm and other half just low rpm, took top end apart, everything was just fine and compressions are great. had several minitruckers here in az that had blown gasket with stock tstat, switched over 180* after top end rebuild, NO problem and healthy

180*stat or lower is NOT a mod, it just works at certain temp for cooling temp preference, 160* too cold for stock-modded and 180* is best overall, however with in cold winter, can put 195* in since it wouldnt go over 200* unless you heavy footing

as for dexcool,there are several variable that can mess up, I see no problem with it as long you use dexcool and dexcool cleaning procedure and it'll be allright, its either all dexcool or all prestone, simple, if its not working well, stop and take it chevy and fork out the extra cost to fix your error and no worries for enxt 80-100k

if its $ a problem, just buy walmart dexcool and shits with it, take it 2 chevy and tell them just do this and that way you pay for labor and not ridiclous part cost
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

let me put it this way, my truck has seen 14psi of boost and 10-11 regularly and had no failures.
not sure how long it would of lasted because I decided to build the motor this winter
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

If the 2.2 head gaskets didn't leak, how did all the stories get started. I had a 2.2 leak at 80K.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Quote: Originally Posted by ivybandit
If the 2.2 head gaskets didn't leak, how did all the stories get started. I had a 2.2 leak at 80K.
i've seen in on the older engines but not soo much on the 98+
there were a few bad apples but its definately not a an all are going to leak thing
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

that's right. Gm had 2.2L head design changed including improved for cooling or less head gasket blown for the 98+, just like cs xtreme said, few bad apples
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

similar to the old quad-four engines, (2.4 liter dohc), it all depends on how the vehicle is driven. aluminum heads and iron blocks expand at different rates. trucks/cars that take short trips do not allow sufficient warming of the engine, while long trips get everything warm and expanded, and everything works out.

this is a theory a teacher had when i was in GM ASEP training. it makes sense to me, most of the premature headgasket failures we saw on these in the dealer are little
old ladies who drive 2 miles a day. the long trip/highway drivers maintain original head gaskets up to and past 200k miles
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

I have 180k on mine know and it is all original. timing chain and head gskt. It even had the orig valve cover gskt until 170k. It all depends on the truck. these engine were massed produced, so some probably had excessive clearance on the gskt surface. I also work in a shop that services Nissan. The nissan tech just did an 07 Altima 4 cyl head gskt and it only had 7500 miles. I diag one last week that blew at 100k. It is all in luck in what you get.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

120k+ on the 96 2.2 and same headgasket. But had to replace water pump at 115k though. But I do not run the gm antifreeze. Regular antifreeze myself. I beat on it. But not as hard as a "race car". Remember 2.2 and merging with traffic. lol
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on my 95 it seeped out the back of the head... i never knew it untill i bodydropped it.... never showed any signes of anything
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

mines had dexcool all its life and still origional waterpump, i did replace my valve cover gasket at 120 K, didnt really NEED need it but it was either fix it while it was letting a little oil seep out now or have it blow out later

right now my current issue is a leaky PS pump, its leaking out the shaft (not very much at all but since its out of the shaft is sprays everywhere!!!) so add a tiny ammount liek every few months, lust loks like crap from all the spray
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

i just did a head gasket rebuild on a rebuilt 2.2l and the engine prolly has less then 30k on it, but it was a mechanical thing also, the thermastat i found out was 3/4 gone, and my tstat sensor was the wrong temp. for my truck so my gauge wasnt even reading any temp change.

how bout this solution, just take care of ur truck and it will take care of you, do the necisary changes and all the manual says to do wen it says to do it, and you should be ok.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Almost 90K on my 2.2 with Nitrous for awhile and now 30K miles of boost and much drag strip use. Still on the stock headgasket(knock on wood). Now, there was stuff done like cooler thermostat, griffin radiator, efans, changing the antifreeze. Just do the preventive stuff and you should be fine.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Quote: Originally Posted by cs xtreme
i've seen in on the older engines but not soo much on the 98+
there were a few bad apples but its definately not a an all are going to leak thing
My HG leak was on a 94 2.2, my 99 has not leaked yet, only 53K.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

Actually Fishindabay, your GM ASEP teacher is about right

We all know gotta go easy on vehicle when you have it built/rebuild so it'll break in properly

Whenever vehicle is brought out to dealership, the detailers/lot attendant will have to drive them to park/detail/etch sticker, etc. This is pretty common, A/C on maxium and floor it all over to their location, this continues until vehicle is sold, this easily puts the motor enough time and go over 210* from the start

this isn't always the cause, but the designs of how it was build, they could gone with larger radiator which auto store now have bigger radiator which is change of design and helps prevent blown HG

Id still highly recommend 180* for those who are pushing 200*-210* daily BUT its NOT problem solver
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

I just did my head gasket eariler this month w/ around 160,000. Honestly the gasket doesnt have a crack anywhere. The head bolts just backed out enough for it to start leaking coolant out the side of the motor. But the fact that i changed the head gasket doesnt matter anymore. Put it all back together and found out i have a cracked head above the number 3 spark plug. Never overheated the motor or ran it dry on any fluid.
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Quote: Originally Posted by IBSpoolin
Almost 90K on my 2.2 with Nitrous for awhile and now 30K miles of boost and much drag strip use. Still on the stock headgasket(knock on wood). Now, there was stuff done like cooler thermostat, griffin radiator, efans, changing the antifreeze. Just do the preventive stuff and you should be fine.

30k boosted! that's awesome man!
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Getting ready to tackle this task in the next few weeks. Mine has been seeping coolant down the back of the engine/side of the bellhousing for a few months. Never really went through alot of coolant but now its started to get worse. 188k miles and im pretty sure its never been apart besides for the timing chain.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

98 2.2

198k

no change yet...
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

99 2.2l 5 speed that I rod the ever loving piss out of, intake exhaust, with exhaust leak, done all the maintenance and then some and its still going strong at 95,000. That's not saying much for miles but the truck hauls stuff every weekend and regularly sees 1500 miles a month. I've heard the same rumor over and over but I haven't seen anything with it. We did have 2 Pontiac Sunfires (think Pontiac Cavalier) and those I know have had problems but they don't cool as efficiently as out trucks do. We blew one on our 99 Sunfire after I took it out for a shall we say test drive and I was playing with a mustang. Ate it alive. Anyway just keep the maintenance up and watch your temp and that and it should be fine. I'm headed for Montana in August and I'm putting a new head on my truck, the I believe Patriot? head for some better performance in the mountains over there and changing the gears so I'll see what happens. I'm also switching in e-fans instead of the clutched fan thats on it.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

have a 96 with 171K and Im about to replace the HG.
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I have a 01 with 93k and the head gasket just went out!
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99 with 165k on the original... and I rev it to the limiter and bounce the limiter when driving down the highway (Im not speeding THAT much, I have smaller tires and the limit is higher here) How could it hold up better than that? I beat the piss out of my engine. I tow too... I love my little tutu.
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i had my HG blew at 115k, letting lot of coolant into the #4 cylinder and left it in the garage for a month or so and then finally open it up and that #4 cylinder's full of rust! has to scrap lot of the rust off and clean up lot, but in last it ran really great again, no bad idle and now on, im gonna to run the "green" coolant, not the damn dexcoolant
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On the note of dexcool, mine has the green stuff in it and has for awhile. I have just pulled too many cars out the woods that have sit there for 30 years and the stuff still working to believe in dexcool that tends to turn to jelly when not maintained excessively.
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I've never once heard anything about these engines having problems with head gaskets.
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97 s10 with a 2.2 124k orignal miles and no problems. 92 s10 with a 4.3 with 226,504 original miles, still running strong. Both trucks have had regular maintence.
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What's a reasonable price for a shop to charge me to replace the head gasket on my '95 2.2? It also has A/C.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Wrkn prgs
What's a reasonable price for a shop to charge me to replace the head gasket on my '95 2.2? It also has A/C.
At my shop it pays 7.2 hours x $75/perhour= $540 for labor only on a 95 w/ac. Add in the headgasket set, head bolts, cyl head resurfacing/check for cracks, I would probably tell a customer $750-$800ish total if they wanted an estimate.
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Man, that's awesome since my truck is blue booked at maybe a grand.
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meh for the cost, might as well buy a reman motor w core change and 2yr/50k warranty or pay couple hundreds more for them to install it with 5 yr/100k warranty(based on az shop cost)
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I'll probably change it out myself with a lot of help from a friend.
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I bought my 99, head gasket was leaking bad, but the gasket itself was good when I replaced it, the bolts on the head were actually just loose. This happened as a result of them cracking the radiator and driving the truck until it overheated.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curtis2k
I bought my 99, head gasket was leaking bad, but the gasket itself was good when I replaced it, the bolts on the head were actually just loose. This happened as a result of them cracking the radiator and driving the truck until it overheated.
Has to be a miracle, no cracked head.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ivybandit
Has to be a miracle, no cracked head.
I really was quite suprised the heads were in good shape, I have a parts truck with half as many miles on it so I wasn't too concerned though. Truck runs like a top, never seen the highway for more than 10 miles until I got it and I've put 7k since then. Up to 150k miles now
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230k 100 miles a day never had a head gasket problem!
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I have 2 94 trucks and both have had blown head gaskets. As a matter of fact I am getting ready to fix one now, and I don't dog the hell out of the motor either.
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you just buy them blown up..lol
Quote: Originally Posted by double dimes
I have 2 94 trucks and both have had blown head gaskets. As a matter of fact I am getting ready to fix one now, and I don't dog the hell out of the motor either.

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I'm not knocking the 2.2!!! I actually am deeply in love with my 98 dime but the biotch is on the second engine. The first one spun a bearing and the second blew a head gasket. I'm getting it fixed as im typing. BTW I beat the shit out of my truck and between the two motors ive had the truck for five years. Its worth it.
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Re: what is the truth about all these head gasket rumors?

on a good note you can change a head gasket on a 2.2 in a few hours so who cares if the blow.
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