turbo build begins!!!

[1tuffs10]

well i have been telln a couple people about me starting a turbo build and now im getting my thread ready!! i have been on the phone with david from dts this weekend and im excited to get the turbo header built. its going to be different then most the turbo manifolds made on the recent turbo s10's. im goin with a devided t3 manifold,external wastegate with tial38mm flange with the synapse wastegate. im ordering the header next week, and the turbo by the second week of march, buying the big stuff first then its all downhill from there (i hope) and when i get it ill post the pictures as i receive the stuff! i wont be building till the snow is over and its warmer because the shop i use doesnt have heat. but ill be keeping everyone informed and updated on my purchases and everything else!! im excited!!

[1tuffs10]

well payment was sent and the header will be made next week and he said should only take a day or two to make so hopefully ill have it so i can get a pic up for u guys!! and if u are wondering how much it was $580

[Chris0nllyn]

cool, take some pics!

[southernrock20]

i need to call him up and see if he can make me one that will directly instal with the original down pipe. I dont want to relocate anything... keep up the pics and updates

[1tuffs10]

ok well i just got my msd catalog in the mail today and i was browsing through it and was wondering what would be better?

bigger 44lb injectors, or fuel pump booster from msd

has adjustable voltage, and potentionmeter from a range of an additional 1.5 volts to max 22 volts over a range of 5-30psia

[cs xtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1tuffs10

ok well i just got my msd catalog in the mail today and i was browsing through it and was wondering what would be better?

bigger 44lb injectors, or fuel pump booster from msd

has adjustable voltage, and potentionmeter from a range of an additional 1.5 volts to max 22 volts over a range of 5-30psia

injectors

[Gutling]

no question, injectors.

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gutling

no question, injectors.

thats what i figured but jsut wanted a second opinion!! thx guys!

[1tuffs10]

ok i just got the email!! ill def have pics asap!! for u guys!!

Hey Thomas, your money orders have been recieved! We have already started to fabricate your header and it should be shipped in a few days. I will send you a ups tracking number to this email address as soon as it ships.
Please feel free to call or email me with any question you might have in the meantime.

Thanks,
David DeKerlegand
DeKerlegand Turbo Systems LLC

[1tuffs10]

im lookn to get a manual boost controller anyone have any recomendations on what kind i should get? i think electronic ones are a waste of money and to expensive! and btw header is on its way!! will have pics asap!

[southernrock20]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1tuffs10

im lookn to get a manual boost controller anyone have any recomendations on what kind i should get? i think electronic ones are a waste of money and to expensive! and btw header is on its way!! will have pics asap!

I wouldnt say electronic ones are a waste of money (since i do have one), you can fine tune the crap outta it. There are alot more options than just to control the boost. and just in case, check your BOV

http://www.greddy.com/news/?id=72

[Gutling]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NXS-M...spagenameZWDVW

He is a guy I knew from school, i have bought several from him. Its a nice, cheap boost controller. Works good, I have never had any spiking/leak issues. Hes sold probably thousands of them

[1tuffs10]

well since its taking longer then expected for the manifold mainly because i am havn it made custom dual scroll with external wg, and hes been swamped i guess, but i should have it pretty soon id imagine! anyway while im waiting for that to be shipped i thought id post a list of everything im ordering for my turbo build so if people have questions!

Turbo Products for build!

• Custom devided Turbo manifold/w external wastegate by DTS turbo:: 580$ (http://www.dts2.net/turbos-10/)
• Garrett T3/T4E, 50 trim compressor with StageIII (76 trim) turbine wheel, Oil cooled only, no water lines required. The usual favorite T3/T4 turbo and very common use hybrid turbo used on variety of engines for best overal response and supports power to 450 crank HP. .78 A/R Turbine i know thats a lil big but im lookn for top end power and i have a fix for the turbo lag and i wouldnt have to use nos, ill explain later! T3 devided scroll v-band housing 3" is what it will be!:: 670$ (http://www.aptuning.net/T3_T4E_50Tri...bn-tbo-060.htm
• 2.5" black powdercoated universal piping kit off ebay:: 100$
• 2.5" SSQV BOV adapter pipe for the synchronic BOV off ebay:: 17$
• Synapse Engineering 40mm Universal 2-Bolt Synchronic wastegate:: 290$ (http://www.turbochargers.com/store/p...oducts_id/1630)
  
• Universal Synchronic BOV with SSQV Adapter Flange:: 218$ (http://www.turbochargers.com/store/p...oducts_id/1831)
• Intercooler im gonna buy csxtremes older spearco intercooler when he gets his upgraded!
• Custom 3" vband downpipe and 3" all the way back:: unknown price yet, local performance shop is gonna do it for me!
• oil feed/drain lines off ebay:: about 60-80$
• NSX Manual Boost Controller off ebay. comes with lifetime warranty 20$
• We are pleased to bring you a revolutionary product for aftermarket turbo kits! We have created a product that had a 25% increase in rear wheel horsepower, while reducing unwanted turbo lag! It\'s like nitrous but you\'ll never have to fill a bottle again.
  
  The Quick Spool Valve has a butterfly valve blocking a scroll of the divided turbo housing making the turbo act as if it were a smaller turbo.The switching solenoid can be wired up to open at a set point and when the valve opens up you have the full potential of your turbo with no sacrifice of peak power
  
  Our Quick Spool Valve is available in T3, T4, and even T6 sizes. practicaly cuts the ar size in half for quicker spool at low end and still keep top end power and boost!! here is a picture of it! this is what i was talking about earlier with the bigger .78 ar i can lower my ar with this in low end and still get my top end power ar def money saved in my pocket instead of nos refills and not to mention safty and blowin up the motor!
• 

Engine and ignition

• MSD DIS-2 Ignition Box
• MSD Coil Packs
• MSD Wires
• Delphi Multec 2 - 44 lb/hour or 460 cc/min, Shorty injectors - High Impedance (http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/pro...roducts_id/574)
• Eagle Connecting Rods (http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/prod/CRS5590C3D)
• JBP 2.2L Performance Camshaft(http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/...tName=JP029 7)
• JBP Chrome Molley Custom Pushrod for 2.2L OHV 94+(http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/...tName=JP029 8)
• CompCams 1.6:1 Magnum Roller Tipped Rockersgonna have to have a custom valve cover i believe because csextreme has the 1:6:1 and had to make a custom one!
• JBP Bronze Valve Guides for 2.2L LN2
• Stainless steel 2.2L OHV Intake Valve, Standard Size
• Stainless steel 2.2L OHV Exhaust Valve, Standard Size

Tranny (4l60E)

• Centerforce Dual Friction clutch (summit racing)
• Stage II shift kit (summit racing)
• #K19. Alto 4L60E master rebuild kit with an 8 clutch Red Eagle Power Pack and full thickness Kolene steels for the 3-4 clutch and High Energy for the other clutch sets. The 3-4 Power Pack is a multi disk design with sixteen friction surfaces. The 3-4 clutch is the weak point on 4L60E transmissions. This kit will give you a 33% larger clutch apply area on the 3-4 clutch with high performance Red Eagle clutches and Kolene steels to boot. This kit is custom built for PATC by Alto. Thin steels will not work on the 3-4 clutch in a 4L60E with over 400 horse power. Eight clutches are the maximum number you can use in the 3-4 clutch pack with full thickness steels.
  Wake your 4L60E up with this Wake Up Kit. You get the Sonnax oversize .490" Mega Valve, the Superior 35% oversize high performance overdrive billet servo & the Superior 50% oversize high performance intermediate billet servo. These three parts will wake up your 4L60E transmission. Also included in this Combo Kit is an Alto Carbonite PowerBand with thicker hardened anchors that holds in second and overdrive. This is the combination we use to build our level 2, 700-E Raptor Junior transmissions, then we added the Red EaglePower Pack to this kit. (http://www.4l60-e.com/#Performance%20Parts)
  
• upgrade driveshaft eventually
• LSD rear end sometime as well instead of posi with disk brake swap instead of drums

well i hope u all have fun reading this this isnt a 100% complete list but its just about all of what im about to do over the next 2 years!

[1tuffs10]

oh and heres what its goin in

[zack]

man your makin me ich to turbo mine

[Gutling]

Your going to put a clutch... in your automatic?
and all those internals you copy & pasted from a site and you did not add pistons.

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gutling

Your going to put a clutch... in your automatic?
and all those internals you copy & pasted from a site and you did not add pistons.

lol no i dont know where i got that from..lol it was late when i did this like 3 in the morn so dont pay attention to that but everything else is good! well gotta run im pickin up my new fron ground effects today!..>.< and i siad it wasnt a complete list, i got info for cyroing, port n polish, weisco pistons etc still..but yea i need to remove that though. and so what if the internal info was copied and pasted its what im getting?

[cs xtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1tuffs10

lol no i dont know where i got that from..lol it was late when i did this like 3 in the morn so dont pay attention to that but everything else is good! well gotta run im pickin up my new fron ground effects today!..>.< and i siad it wasnt a complete list, i got info for cyroing, port n polish, weisco pistons etc still..but yea i need to remove that though. and so what if the internal info was copied and pasted its what im getting?

why not over sized valves?
have you priced the pistons out?
that quick spool looks pretty cool. have you seen any feedback from people using it?

jbp wants too much for a cam
my comp custom was like 160.00

the msd dis 2 isn't really needed
AUTOLITE ar103 plugs and a good set of wires do nicely.

As for your trans look at raybestos z pack for your 3-4
my trans still isnt built completely.
just drilled seperator plate, billet servos, and a few other tweaks as well as trans computer programing

[saint.faustus]

im really intrested in that quick spool as well. . .

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by cs xtreme

why not over sized valves?
have you priced the pistons out?
that quick spool looks pretty cool. have you seen any feedback from people using it?

jbp wants too much for a cam
my comp custom was like 160.00

the msd dis 2 isn't really needed
AUTOLITE ar103 plugs and a good set of wires do nicely.

As for your trans look at raybestos z pack for your 3-4
my trans still isnt built completely.
just drilled seperator plate, billet servos, and a few other tweaks as well as trans computer programing

dis 2 u dont think i need? but what if i need to advance or retard the timing how would i go about doing it? does hptuners do it? raybestos z pack..hm never heard of that u got any links or info for it?

the quick spool ive gotn some pretty good feedback and its been tested with dyno results! pm me if u want the website and number for it! but the quick spool is designed for dual scroll turbos thats why its made the way it is, i dont know how it will work with ur regular exhuast housing but u can ask the guys at the website about it if your interested! has to be a undevided manifold and devided turbo i guess! so when i get my manifold im gonna have to have it refabricated for undevided lol...wish i woulda found it sooner!

so comp cams did a regrind i take it? see but right now this is my only vehicle so i cant send in my cam i need one i can buy and thats prolly why its cheaper!

where would i get the valves, ive been looking and i didnt find much other then the standard ones!

[cs xtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1tuffs10

dis 2 u dont think i need? but what if i need to advance or retard the timing how would i go about doing it? does hptuners do it? raybestos z pack..hm never heard of that u got any links or info for it?

the quick spool ive gotn some pretty good feedback and its been tested with dyno results! pm me if u want the website and number for it! but the quick spool is designed for dual scroll turbos thats why its made the way it is, i dont know how it will work with ur regular exhuast housing but u can ask the guys at the website about it if your interested! has to be a undevided manifold and devided turbo i guess! so when i get my manifold im gonna have to have it refabricated for undevided lol...wish i woulda found it sooner!

so comp cams did a regrind i take it? see but right now this is my only vehicle so i cant send in my cam i need one i can buy and thats prolly why its cheaper!

where would i get the valves, ive been looking and i didnt find much other then the standard ones!

the dis 2 will only do retard and on based on rpm
I think they have a more expensive unit that will do boost based.
hp will do advance and retard. ans you can semi base it on map
stock map reads 105kpa so a fuzz over atmosphere. this is how I did mine.
I'm looking at adding an aem fic
this will do boost fueling and timing functions

machine work on the engine for new pistons etc will take time.
if this is your only vehicle the best thing to do is get a spare engine to build.

[cs xtreme]

as for valves I'm pretty sure mine came from si valves.
they had a 1mm oversize stainless.

on the quick spool with a divided manifold wouldn't this shut down half the manifold as well?
I'm going the nitrous route since traction is a big problem below 40 mph anyway.
but at the track on slicks a quick shot will defiantly do the trick.

as for the z pak I found a place to buy and some info for ya.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZPAK-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://www.raybestospowertrain.com/rpt_prod_f_zpak.php

have you picked a posi yet?
I'm runing a Detroit tru-trac
transfers power to the wheel with the most traction and has no clutches to wear out.

[Gutling]

is the quick spool similar to the mitsubishi twin scroll?

[1tuffs10]

im not a 100% how it works but the guy i talked to said it had been tested and said it works pretty good so i guess u would just have to talk to the person that i talked to..the the manifold is undevided i wouldnt think it would hurt it any where as mine that is devided when it was first being made for my dual scroll one side would be completly shut off and would do no good as only one side would be flowing in the turbo, undevided because more flow is going only into one scroll so i imagine thats how it spools up quicker! im still tryn to find more about it though! i just found out about it the other day! as for the mitsubishi i have no idea!

yea ive been thinking about just getting a dif block to do work on while i have my daily but i dunno yet!

[1tuffs10]

have you picked a posi yet?
I'm runing a Detroit tru-trac
transfers power to the wheel with the most traction and has no clutches to wear out.


ive heard about the detroit tru-trac before but never really looked into it

[Dr. Nate]

I have some new over sized valves sitting in my garage that I'm willing to let go...

-Nate

[andyswmr714]

Hey IDK what you are doing for tunning BUT. I have a MegaSquirt 2 all built up and I am working on the wiring harness at the moment. BUT it might be a good idea for you to look into that. I am not 100% on the timing yet on my truck, but i think you can retard your timing based on boost. My whole set up should be under 400 for a standalone. not including LC-1 wideband and injectors. You can also set up the MS2 to bias the injectors based on feedback from the o2 sensor.

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dr. Nate

I have some new over sized valves sitting in my garage that I'm willing to let go...

-Nate

pm sent nate!

[cs xtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by andyswmr714

Hey IDK what you are doing for tunning BUT. I have a MegaSquirt 2 all built up and I am working on the wiring harness at the moment. BUT it might be a good idea for you to look into that. I am not 100% on the timing yet on my truck, but i think you can retard your timing based on boost. My whole set up should be under 400 for a standalone. not including LC-1 wideband and injectors. You can also set up the MS2 to bias the injectors based on feedback from the o2 sensor.

I hear a lot about megasquirt but from what i've seen on their site. it wasnt anything special.
what will you do for gauges?
since its a stand alone it wont drive your gauges.
I also dont remember seeing anything for controlling the auto.

[1tuffs10]

heres a small video i found on the quick spool being tested as if it were being in a vehicle running boost showing operation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KNLKVgg8po

[andyswmr714]

Quote: Originally Posted by cs xtreme

I hear a lot about megasquirt but from what i've seen on their site. it wasnt anything special.
what will you do for gauges?
since its a stand alone it wont drive your gauges.
I also dont remember seeing anything for controlling the auto.

The megasquirt 2 has quite a few options. You can run the 02 sensor as a direct feedback for your A/F ratio. Also the their site is kinda cryptic, you really have to dig and sign up on the forums to really see what you can do with it. There are Extra code packs plus a few extra boards you can build for launch control and stuff like that. MS2 you can also run multiple maps for a nos system, It has options to run different coil packs, I mean there are pretty much endless options... they keep adding on it.

Basically the best way to use the MS2 is to run your own wiring harness or buy one exactly the same or super similar so you can just hack it and set it up to your engine. The gauges I thought were ran separately through the mini computer in the cab. If This isn't so I would love to get a manual if anyone has one.

Auto transmissions... I have no idea really how a computer would control the shifting... I was under the impression that auto transmissions do all their shifting through pressure changes in hydraulic fluid. Are the S10s set up to shift electronically?

If you want to check out a site for MegaSquirt anything A good place would be http://www.msefi.com Main MS site
And for a seller that can also answer questions that might be easier to talk to would be http://www.DIYautotune.com

[cs xtreme]

gauges are computer driven.
hvac control are also done through the computer.
the auto is hydraulic shift but electronically controlled by the computer
you would basically need to keep the factory computer to run everything in the truck or go with manual valve body in the trans, manual hvac controls, aftermarket gauges etc.
this is why I'm looking at a piggy back

[1tuffs10]

what kind of piggy back u thinkin about csxtreme? aem?

got my BOV adapter pipe today..got another email today from david the manifold is all done except for the flange i guess they were havn a bit of trouble with it and wanted to making lower profile for hood clearance since im using a bigger turbo.

[cs xtreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1tuffs10

what kind of piggy back u thinkin about csxtreme? aem?

You guessed it.

[andyswmr714]

Yeah... I didn't plan on running the MS2 fully standalone because of that issue. Where can I get a complete electrical manual on a 1999 s-10?

[Chris0nllyn]

id recommend some servos for your tranny....unless they come in the rebuild kit

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

id recommend some servos for your tranny....unless they come in the rebuild kit

kit comes with servos

You get the Sonnax oversize .490" Mega Valve, the Superior 35% oversize high performance overdrive billet servo & the Superior 50% oversize high performance intermediate billet servo

[Chris0nllyn]

gotcha, im doing those three things in my colorado....same company too

[1tuffs10]

awsome!! ill prob do tranny last though! i want to get the basic build first then ill work from that! speaking of i just got a email today from david and he said its all finished!! FINALLY, got to admit it took a lil longer then expected but he said he was havn some trouble since it was dual scroll setup/external wastegate and the flange they had a bit of trouble..so im really excited to see it at my front door soon!!!



another small mod that i finished today too and cleared up alot of space for my intercooler piping! replaced the clutch fan with an electric fan! i got lucky, my brothers old oldsmobile used a 16" electric fan and we are gonna junk it so i decided to look under the hood and i was like sweet dont even have to pay for one or go to junkyard so i pulled that out and put it in my truck today! i dont know what the cfms are on it but it flows really well if not better then the stock pulley fan! hooked up to a switch so i can just use it when i need to when im sitting still or idle! ill try to take a pic of it tomorrow also getting my front bumper painted yes the big white thing in my avatar...lol

[1tuffs10]

ok guys heres a pic of david's work for my turbo header looks like he did a really good job! enjoy

[cs xtreme]

not bad. looks like the wastegate was an afterthought thought.
oh well its hard to find very expensive headers that get that right

[1tuffs10]

got my synapse wastegate ordered...found a heck of a deal on ebay!!! it doesn't come with the valve seals but i found a site i can order for 30 bucks! and bought the wastegate for 73 bucks!! brand new there 250 dollars!!! so i had to jump on it! should get it next week hopefully

[1tuffs10]

also ordering intercooler pipes and intercooler next week!! its coming along slowly but surly!! my goal is to be done with the main builds by july!

[hondacr125]

sweet header dude.

[1tuffs10]

thanks it turned out really great!! well worth it

[LoRollinLS]

def nice header, good luck man, keep us updated

[southernrock20]

hey, slowly but surely is never a bad thing lol, it only took like a year to finally get some dyno numbers. Its coming along nicely. Do you plan on buying any other engine parts from DTS? Im pretty skeptical about his hp numbers that hes getting

[1tuffs10]

Quote: Originally Posted by southernrock20

hey, slowly but surely is never a bad thing lol, it only took like a year to finally get some dyno numbers. Its coming along nicely. Do you plan on buying any other engine parts from DTS? Im pretty skeptical about his hp numbers that hes getting

haha yea ive had the idea for turboing for about 3 yrs now before everyone this year all sudden started to do theres...lol, but there are a few things i thought about like patriot head, but i just saw last night a guy selln a used 2.2 head for 65 so im gonna try to buy that and clean it up real good and do a port n polish and build on that a lil with rockers etc, i dont plan on buying anything else from david all i needed was the header! and i think u can get some parts cheaper else where!

[cs xtreme]

patriot looks like it only fits 94-97

[1tuffs10]

hmm that stinks...but oh well, hoping that the guy will respond to me about the used head so i can use that one for my build and have my stock one as spare if somthing happens or vice versa since mine is brand new still and just use the older one as spare