Synthetic Oil

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by beatcars

by pipster: "However, all of them also carry with them certain inherent disadvantages."

Ok I would like to know these disadvantages of synthetic oil please.
Also what is the difference in the $2.50 per quart full synthetics, and the $8 per quart full synthetics.

i get mobil 1 15k mile oil 5qts for 27 bucks at wally world. its the least espensive there. the parts stores its like almost 40 for 5qts.

[pipster]

Quote: Originally Posted by S-10Driver

hey pipster...speaking of castrol, do you know which company manufactures their oil?

I do know but do to corp bylaws I can not release that info. Sorry.

[pipster]

I know a lot of people buy Mobil 1 syn because the think it is the best and they have some nice factory fills like the Vette. Well I just thought I would post this new bit that just came out recently about Vavloline SynPower.

Valvoline has underscored its position as a leading supplier of premium motor oils by securing a deal with Koenigsegg. Under the agreement, every new Koenigsegg CC, the fastest and most advanced production sports car in the world, will use Valvoline SynPower as an engine lubricant. The agreement was made between Swedish manufacturer Koenigsegg and Valvoline EMEA.

Koenigsegg has committed to the use of Valvoline SynPower premium motor oil in every new vehicle. The company considers the use of an ultra-high performance motor oil as essential to optimising the performance of a car which was conceived to transcend the limits of the traditional sportscar by fusing space-age technology with exquisite design.

Voted the 2001 sportscar of the year by the readers of Automobil, the Swedish car magazine, the Koenigsegg CC was extremely well received at the 2001 Geneva Auto Show, and has received uniformly positive acclaim from the world's media. Much of this acclaim has resulted from the vehicle's record-braking performance characteristics and breathtaking design features.

With a pre-impregnated carbon fiber, Kevlar and lightweight hardfoam sandwich body construction, offering a 0.30 Cd drag coefficient, the Koenigsegg CC's supercharged 32-valve, 4.7 litre, V8 engine is capable of propelling the vehicle to 100 Km/hr (62 mph) in less than 3.5 seconds!

To ensure that the advanced engine design always delivers the optimum performance, the designers have specified the most advanced oil available - Valvoline SynPower. A fully synthetic oil formulated with the highest quality synthetic base oils, enhanced with the most advanced additive technology, SynPower offers enhanced performance, durability and fuel economy, and is ideal for virtually all cars and vans which use petrol, diesel or LPG engines. Its many benefits include the reduction of sludge and varnish deposits, maximum fuel economy and excellent cold start properties through low viscosity at low temperatures.

"An advanced motor vehicle obviously demands an advanced motor oil," said John Noal, vice president and managing director at Valvoline EMEA, "and our long and close involvement with high-performance motor sports qualifies Valvoline as the ideal partner to Koenigsegg. In fact, this agreement clearly underscores the recognition by the marketplace of Valvoline as a leading supplier of premium lubricants."

[pfallone001]

Quote: Originally Posted by ride and destroy

after reading i believe i was misinformed by a mechanic at the local garage (needed quick oil change, wasnt at home, had no tools went to garage) he said htat changing over to synth at 325 would eat all the seals in my truck and id start to see leaks everywhere, iwas sure it was bs but went with standard oil anyway, oil change soon, should i go synth? any negatives?

It doesnt eat the seals....its just easier for the syn to find a place to leak. I use regular ass oil and change it every 3k no problems here, i guess its just whatever you prefer, either way you will be ok.

[ride and destroy]

having run regular oil,(and now running 10 weight) what would be the best bet switching to synth with 325kilometers on the engine, any reccomendations?

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by pipster

I know a lot of people buy Mobil 1 syn because the think it is the best and they have some nice factory fills like the Vette. Well I just thought I would post this new bit that just came out recently about Vavloline SynPower..........

Its all marketing, whether or not behind the scenes there really putting it in there is no way to prove it. I have used synpower before. good oil, i just prefer longer change intervals.

[S-10Driver]

Quote: Originally Posted by pipster

I do know but do to corp bylaws I can not release that info. Sorry.

damn, thats just something I've always wanted to figure out. oh well.

[Gearstix]

My 2.2 needs an oil change bad IMO. We mixed synthetic and regular when we got the truck(it was low on oil for some reason, real low.)just to get it running. When we get it running good, I'm going to change the oil and filter.
I'm looking at Amsoil cause thats what we've been running in the sleds we have. My buddys been using Amsoil HP injector in his 2 stroke sled for years, and the variable exhaust valves didn't have much built up on them.
I kinda think all that Valvoline stuff is propaganda cause you guys work for them...
Not trying to kick up fights or anything, it just seems that way to me.
My dad has been using WIX filters for a while I think, that and Purolator at his work. Anything wrong with them?

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gearstix

My 2.2 needs an oil change bad IMO. We mixed synthetic and regular when we got the truck(it was low on oil for some reason, real low.)just to get it running. When we get it running good, I'm going to change the oil and filter.
I'm looking at Amsoil cause thats what we've been running in the sleds we have. My buddys been using Amsoil HP injector in his 2 stroke sled for years, and the variable exhaust valves didn't have much built up on them.
I kinda think all that Valvoline stuff is propaganda cause you guys work for them...
Not trying to kick up fights or anything, it just seems that way to me.
My dad has been using WIX filters for a while I think, that and Purolator at his work. Anything wrong with them?

I worked for valvoline, its a good oil. not the best. amsoil and mobil are better IMO. anyways i have used WIX b4 there good filters. but i use K&N.

[pipster]

[quote=
I'm looking at Amsoil cause thats what we've been running in the sleds we have. My buddys been using Amsoil HP injector in his 2 stroke sled for years, and the variable exhaust valves didn't have much built up on them.
I kinda think all that Valvoline stuff is propaganda cause you guys work for them...
Not trying to kick up fights or anything, it just seems that way to me.
My dad has been using WIX filters for a while I think, that and Purolator at his work. Anything wrong with them?[/quote]

No offense taken. I have used Valvoline all my life and have only worked here for 5 years.

Here is our 900hp small block

385 Cubic inch small block
915hp @ 9500 rpm
Power band range 8500 rpm – 10,000

Dart Little M Block 4.185 bore
Bryant Ultra-Lite 29.5 lb 3.268 stroke crankshaft
Carillo 6.250 rods
JE Ultra-Lite pistons
Comp Cams special roller cam .875 lift
Crower Grove Lock Roller Lifters
Jessel Belt drive timing gear set
GM high performance 18 degree cast iron heads (very rare)
Ferrea Titanium 2.250 intake 1.626 exhaust valves w/springs and retainers.
Jessel Shaft 1.8 rocker arms
Special made 18 degree GM intake
MDS ignition
Holley 950 CFM carburetor



This is in our 2wd pro mod pull truck. We pull 30,000 lbs during competition and crank the engine 10,000 rpm. Our shedule is grooling that 28 competions listed below that is allot of stress on the motor. We only use Valvoline VV855 20W50 Synthetic racing oil. When we tore the motor down and checked the bearings the looked brand new. I do have pics at home of the bearings and will post this weekend. We put the same bearings back in the motor for this season. Thats why I use Valvoline.


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[pipster]

Video clip of the truck in action. Not the best but it will do, cause I just want you to hear how hard we crank the motor.

http://media.putfile.com/Garred-Co

[workhorse]

im running ELF 5w40 full synthetic, i get it at the shop for nothing, still changing every 3/3000. sorry im old school like that. i hear a lifter pushrod tick in the morning( its cold in new england), but this is my first time using it. i also throw in a can of compression boost every 3 changes. my truck is turning 125k right now.

[pipster]

Quote: Originally Posted by xtrememeasures10

Its all marketing, whether or not behind the scenes there really putting it in there is no way to prove it. I have used synpower before. good oil, i just prefer longer change intervals.

Are you reffering to GM using Mobil one in the Vette from the factory? If so YES they do factory fill with Mobil 1. Not a marketing gimmick. For one you can not have a legal contract with an OEM and not fill with that product. Exxon lawyers would have field day with that one.

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by pipster

Are you reffering to GM using Mobil one in the Vette from the factory? If so YES they do factory fill with Mobil 1. Not a marketing gimmick. For one you can not have a legal contract with an OEM and not fill with that product. Exxon lawyers would have field day with that one.

Just because theres a contract doesnt mean its actually happening, it may be but theres a good chance its not. Someone is possibly just signing there name to a piece of paper saying they did that or are going to do that.
As we have seen w/ even aviation w/ southwest and american having shotty maintenance, signing something saying they did this and in reality they didnt do it. They scribbled a signature and went to the next piece of paper and did the same. And that is suppose to be one of the most honest industrys around.

Where as the automotive industry is one of the shadiest industries around. They will cut corners, lie about issues w/ a vehicle on everything just to make the mighty dollar. Im sure most anyone has experienced that before.

Im not saying all mechanics are shady either. Thats why i got the hell out of commercial aviation and im in corporate aviation now, cause im not a shotty mechanic and i dont want to be around or any part of it.

Im just saying take it all w/ a grain of salt and a shot of penicillin cause theres a really really good chance its just BS.

[pipster]

Quote: Originally Posted by xtrememeasures10

Just because theres a contract doesnt mean its actually happening, it may be but theres a good chance its not. Someone is possibly just signing there name to a piece of paper saying they did that or are going to do that.
As we have seen w/ even aviation w/ southwest and american having shotty maintenance, signing something saying they did this and in reality they didnt do it. They scribbled a signature and went to the next piece of paper and did the same. And that is suppose to be one of the most honest industrys around.

Where as the automotive industry is one of the shadiest industries around. They will cut corners, lie about issues w/ a vehicle on everything just to make the mighty dollar. Im sure most anyone has experienced that before.

Im not saying all mechanics are shady either. Thats why i got the hell out of commercial aviation and im in corporate aviation now, cause im not a shotty mechanic and i dont want to be around or any part of it.

Im just saying take it all w/ a grain of salt and a shot of penicillin cause theres a really really good chance its just BS.

They buy the oil by bulk and have to buy so much for the contract and we also deal with GM on other products.They do use it and I know that for certain. Exxon stays on top of there game just as other huge companies like Microsoft. If an OEM is under cotract with us and breeched it the our law department would be on their ass and if ours would be the best believe Exxon would. You count on those contract for your budget if the don't do it your company loses money. Even if you are one of the largest in the buisness. Believe what you want I work in directly in the industry and we know whats going with all competitors. Hell we all have directors that set on the same API board so we all do comunicate quite often.

[oilyted]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dozer600

My dad and I are changing the oil in his Duramax at 16k with 4k filter intervals. We are going to have the oil tested at the change to see how it held up and if everything looks good will uping that to over 20k. We could go to a buypass filter setup and never change the oil again but he doesn't want to spend the 2g's for it. I Is deff some good shit

A bypass shouldn't cost more than a few hundred bucks for everything. I had priced one out to put on my v8 boat motor.

[beatcars]

One more question, how about cars stored over the winter. If you run something like Mobil 1, and you changed it like 2k before storing the vehicle for winter (fot those of us up north), can you take her out in the spring and drive the rest of the recommended miles for that oil, such as 15k I think? I have heard with conventional oil they recommend changing at 3k or 3 months because storing it in the engine can break it down too.....

[EnviousMO]

ROYAL Purple! Great Stuff. Before i used it i used vavoline with Lucas oil lubricate mixed in.

[saderrunner06]

I use Royal pural all the way. I changed to Royal Purple in my transmission, didderential, and purple ice in the radiator, and of course 5W-30 in the engine and I got +2.5mpg. I change it every 3000. Yea every 3000. The oil itself is proven not to breakdown until after 10000 miles, but the dirt in the oil is why I change it every 3000. The dirt is what scratches the internal parts of the motor and leads to oil burning. my truck is 8 years old now and I need it to last through med school another 11 years. hope it will make it

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by beatcars

One more question, how about cars stored over the winter. If you run something like Mobil 1, and you changed it like 2k before storing the vehicle for winter (fot those of us up north), can you take her out in the spring and drive the rest of the recommended miles for that oil, such as 15k I think? I have heard with conventional oil they recommend changing at 3k or 3 months because storing it in the engine can break it down too.....

Yes and no. full synthetic mobil 15k oil is good for 1 yr or 15k which ever comes first. However anytime a car is stored moisture builds up in the engine causing corrosion, moisture in your oil, the oil will begin to gel as well. If your going to store a vehicle for a long time w/o running it like once a week or so to burn all the moisture out and keep the oil from gelling, most people will tell you. Drain the oil, remove the spark plugs and install dessicant spark plugs. cover up your throttle body and exhaust pipe as well. This will keep all moisture out of the engine.

[hulkinator]

when i got my truck it was at about 120k,its at about 140 now, i did the full tune up and everything, and recently i started using royal purple 5w30 and putting the 4 cylinder restore in it and at first, when its fresh, do notice a lil extra get up and go. i change my oil every 3-4k, am i wasting my money changing it so often usin royal P with all those miles

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by hulkinator

when i got my truck it was at about 120k,its at about 140 now, i did the full tune up and everything, and recently i started using royal purple 5w30 and putting the 4 cylinder restore in it and at first, when its fresh, do notice a lil extra get up and go. i change my oil every 3-4k, am i wasting my money changing it so often usin royal P with all those miles

restore makes a great product. I use that a lot as well. Notice a big gas mileage gain for a good 1500 miles after putting it in. I havent added any for a while tho.

[beatcars]

Quote: Originally Posted by xtrememeasures10

Yes and no. full synthetic mobil 15k oil is good for 1 yr or 15k which ever comes first. However anytime a car is stored moisture builds up in the engine causing corrosion, moisture in your oil, the oil will begin to gel as well. If your going to store a vehicle for a long time w/o running it like once a week or so to burn all the moisture out and keep the oil from gelling, most people will tell you. Drain the oil, remove the spark plugs and install dessicant spark plugs. cover up your throttle body and exhaust pipe as well. This will keep all moisture out of the engine.

They sell spark plugs that soak up moisture? Would you have a source for these? Cool!

[xtrememeasures10]

Quote: Originally Posted by beatcars

They sell spark plugs that soak up moisture? Would you have a source for these? Cool!

there not spark plugs, I mean your car isnt going to run w/ these in here. there just inserts that you install instead of your plugs.

Another thing you want to do is spray some oil in the cylinder prior to storage.

heres where you can get them.
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i... &iSubCat=781

heres a pic of them

http://www.mikeogara.net/tools/engin...lug-18-mm.html

[Big_Bake]

royal purple for me. got it in cases when i worked at pep boys. i added the lucas oil stabilizer too. been running fine since. it hasn't even been 3k yet but i think i'll wait until about 5k to change it since it's a little pricier.

[What?]

Quote: Originally Posted by hulkinator

when i got my truck it was at about 120k,its at about 140 now, i did the full tune up and everything, and recently i started using royal purple 5w30 and putting the 4 cylinder restore in it and at first, when its fresh, do notice a lil extra get up and go. i change my oil every 3-4k, am i wasting my money changing it so often usin royal P with all those miles

its up to you on your $ but its still a decent brand to use

[WFO2.2]

Quote: Originally Posted by cevtv

Mobil 1 Full Synthetic every 5,000.

that's exactly what I do!! Most of the time I even change the filter at 2,500. So two filters for one oil change. I'm sure it's overkill, but who cares for a $4 filter?

[RustyButTrusty]

Mobil 1 Synthetic 10w30 in the winter, and 5w30 in the summer. Usually take 2-3 changes at 5k to switch between the two.

[tg900]

what is a bypass on a bigger motor?

[mikalob27]

Quote: Originally Posted by S-10Driver

i run castrol syntech blend in my truck, since i change the oil at 3k miles.

i've ran full synth before and it looks brand new when you drain it at 3k. so i decided to get the best of both worlds and save a little $.

synth oil is better on paper, but i've seen motors on dyno oil last just as long as synth oil. it all depends on how well the motor is taken care off and how it is driven.

i also use either a Wix or a AC Delco filter when i change my oil.

VISIT WWW.BOBISTHEOILGUY.COM THEY DO USED OIL ANALYSIS ALL THE TIME PENNZOIL PLATINUM SHOWS THE BEST NUMBERS WITH 5W30 EVEN AFTER 12000 MILES

[duaneb9729]

if you are interested in learning about oils take a gander at Bobistheoilguy.com

that web site is a fountain of information

[WNY99]

Mobil 1 0W-30 With K&N filter

[miro]

I have a 98 s10 2.2 with 106,384 miles on her. I use 10w40 pennzoil with lucas synthetic oil treatment and use a k&n filter. I also have a cold air intake and i get 28 to 32 mpg. Haven't had any problem as of yet.

[turbos10ct]

castrol is made by bp lubrication co. theres only a handfull of oil manufactures and like 50 differnt oils pretty much made by 4or5 companies

[adamwilkes20]

Quote: Originally Posted by turbos10ct

castrol is made by bp lubrication co. theres only a handfull of oil manufactures and like 50 differnt oils pretty much made by 4or5 companies

There are more than 4 or 5, I work for one...I work for Amalie Oil Company, we have over 20 private labels that we own and we fill bulk for SOPUS (Shell/ Pennzoil) we also blend and fill for Citgo and we used to blend and package ATF for Mobile1. Most oil companies have packaging contracts with smaller maunfacturers, true Castrol is owned by BP, but I highly doubt that it is blended and packaged by PB.

[turbos10ct]

ya that was kind of my point, but if you HIGHLY DOUBT castrol is made by bp then who, because someone here was lookin for an answer to that

[raider63]

I use valvoline high mileage oil with a fram filter. My truck just hit 75,000 miles.

[adamwilkes20]

Quote: Originally Posted by turbos10ct

ya that was kind of my point, but if you HIGHLY DOUBT castrol is made by bp then who, because someone here was lookin for an answer to that

I actually asked one of the executives of the oil company I work for, and he said he wasnt too sure who was blending and packaging Castrol either. I could however ask our lab manager, he should know

[edmonem]

ive been using royal purple for a few years now...and ive noticed that my truck has gained more mpg's (have never really counted exactly how many) and is easy to chirp my tires from first to second without pounding it into gear.and it has been running more smoothly too.im convinced that full synthetic helps your engine.

[Billy]

My 98 S-10 I've been using Mobil-1 full syn, 5-30 since it was brand new.

I change every year & grease w/synthetic green grease..

Course I only have 47,750 miles on this one..

My previous S-10 1985, I did same & sold it with 237,500 miles on original motor & etc...

[Billy]

Quote: Originally Posted by RustyButTrusty

Mobil 1 Synthetic 10w30 in the winter, and 5w30 in the summer. Usually take 2-3 changes at 5k to switch between the two.

Don't ya mean 5-30 for winter, & 10-30 for summer ??

[2000s105spd]

just figured i'd throw a quick question in cause i'm coming around to my first oil change with my first 2.2l, whats the exact amount of oil these things take? we've ran mobil clean 5000 here and change it about every 3k and my brothers truck is still running strong with 148k miles and dosen't use a drop of oil

[RustyButTrusty]

4.5 quarts.

[Billy]

Quote: Originally Posted by RustyButTrusty

4.5 quarts.

I been putting in 4 qts with oil filter, & reads full..since 1998...

Plus My Chiltons, & Hayes manuals both say 4 qts with new oil filter..

[WFO2.2]

I've been putting in 4.5 qts since 2000 and mine reads full.....does not read full on 4 qts.
Interesting that Billy's does....

[Billy]

Quote: Originally Posted by WFO2.2

I've been putting in 4.5 qts since 2000 and mine reads full.....does not read full on 4 qts.
Interesting that Billy's does....

Maybe they added a bit more pan capacity after 1999, ???

Cause IIRC ? even my owners manual calls for 4 qts w/filter ..

I know my Chiltons Manual does....But it only covers 94-99 S-10s'

[evandonald]

Just changed out the dirty black crap quaker state for some Mobil 1 5w30 full syn with a K&N oil filter. Seems to start a lot smoother and quicker.

[Billy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Billy

Maybe they added a bit more pan capacity after 1999, ???

Cause IIRC ? even my owners manual calls for 4 qts w/filter ..

I know my Chiltons Manual does....But it only covers 94-99 S-10s'

Edit: (Just checked) My 98 oem owners manual calls for 4.5 qts w/filter,

but that reads overfull.. I'm sticking to what my Chiltons says 4 w/filter.
Been doing this for 11 years now..

So FWIW: I'd rather have my stick read full. Over full can cause damage..

[RustyButTrusty]

My owners manual says 4.5qts. And thats where it reads full on the stick... mines a '00 though.

[nstoolman1]

I use 5 qts of 5-30 Tech 2000 Full synthetic with a Fram PH 8a filter. ( Yes it has a remote filter set up. Makes changing the filter a cleaner job) Changed every 7500 miles.