Stock tach

[snafu584]

Can I use a cluster out of a 00 2wd auto s10 4.3 with a tach in my 00 2.2 manual. I think I can but just making sure.

[What?]

rpm redline are different andbecause its different motor, rpm possibly reads different

[snafu584]

yea I didnt even think about that. I might find one out of a 2.2

[truckinwade]

I may be wrong but I don't think any of the 2.2's came with a tach. So it would be impossible to get a stock one that would read correctly. I just put in an aftermarket one in my 2.2 and it works great, but I wish I had the stock style where it's in the guage cluster.

[What?]

Incorrect, there are 2.2 WITH tach, stock style, you'll have to search for them that's all, mileage won't be the same(unless you fortunate to find that matches) dealership won't change for you, nothing can change mileage to your existing mileage, everyone that swapped them didn't care

Quote: Originally Posted by truckinwade

I may be wrong but I don't think any of the 2.2's came with a tach. So it would be impossible to get a stock one that would read correctly. I just put in an aftermarket one in my 2.2 and it works great, but I wish I had the stock style where it's in the guage cluster.

[94TBlazer]

For the 1999 model year, I test drove a Chevy with 2.2 - it didn't have a tach. So I bought it's twin with an extra gage...

[SweetS10V8]

Quote: Originally Posted by What?

Incorrect, there are 2.2 WITH tach, stock style, you'll have to search for them that's all, mileage won't be the same(unless you fortunate to find that matches) dealership won't change for you, nothing can change mileage to your existing mileage, everyone that swapped them didn't care

Correct and incorrect....

Yes 2.2Ls come with a tach. I just bought a cluster out of a 2.2L with a 7k tach and it works great, just plug it in.....

But you can have the odometer readings changed, odometers have to be able to be changed or everyones who has a cluster problem will commit odometer/mileage fraud.

My truck has 92k miles on it and the cluster withe the tach has 47k miles, and if I take my truck into inspection with 1/2 the miles it had last year, I would have issues....

Dealerships themselves can not do it, but they send them out for mileage corrections all the time, I used to work at a dealership. If they couldnt, you could never replace an odometer.

I have found a guy on ebay that odometer cluster repair is all he does. Ive contacted him and he said that its $80 (including return shipping) to correct the mileage to whatever I need it to be. You also have to sign a waiver form explaining why you need your mileage corrected.

Here is his ebay seller info....
Meet the sellerSeller: digital_dash_solutions( 1522) Feedback:99.9% Positive
Here is the disclaimer you have to sign....
http://home.comcast.net/~digital_dash_solutions/disclaimer.html

[snafu584]

yea i found one on ebay for like 30 bucks. Im all over that!

[What?]

Thank you very much for this information, this will greatly help out a lot to those wanting keep their mileage

Quote: Originally Posted by SweetS10V8

Correct and incorrect....

Yes 2.2Ls come with a tach. I just bought a cluster out of a 2.2L with a 7k tach and it works great, just plug it in.....

But you can have the odometer readings changed, odometers have to be able to be changed or everyones who has a cluster problem will commit odometer/mileage fraud.

My truck has 92k miles on it and the cluster withe the tach has 47k miles, and if I take my truck into inspection with 1/2 the miles it had last year, I would have issues....

Dealerships themselves can not do it, but they send them out for mileage corrections all the time, I used to work at a dealership. If they couldnt, you could never replace an odometer.

I have found a guy on ebay that odometer cluster repair is all he does. Ive contacted him and he said that its $80 (including return shipping) to correct the mileage to whatever I need it to be. You also have to sign a waiver form explaining why you need your mileage corrected.

Here is his ebay seller info....
Meet the sellerSeller: digital_dash_solutions( 1522) Feedback:99.9% Positive
Here is the disclaimer you have to sign....
http://home.comcast.net/~digital_dash_solutions/disclaimer.html

[SweetS10V8]

Just make sure you get the correct year for your truck for 98s and for 99s. Ive heard that 2000+ all work the same. (I have no experience with them since my truck is a 1998) S10Warehouse sells them all the time saying the same thing.

Youll notice his 1998 and 1999 clusters are always more expencive. All the others are 2000+ models and are cheaper.

[comics22]

question time! ok i have a 1995 2.2L s-10 W/O tach. im trying to find a cluster with a tach for a 5 speed. i managed to find a 1994 noma 2.2L 5speed that has a tach. now as you can probably guess: will it work in my truck? i know the 94's are a tad different and the cluster looked different from mine (numbers and font and such) but i didnt know if they used the same guages for the 95+...

[2.2sleeper]

so could this replace my not tach cluster in my 95 2.2?
its a same style cluster but with a tach.

eBay Motors: 95-97 Chevy S10 Blazer S15 Jimmy gauge Cluster w/ Tach (item 180105019364 end time Apr-12-07 21:30:43 PDT)

[comics22]

no it wont. needs to be out of another 2.2L thats out of a blazer and to my knowlege never came wiht the 2.2L

[2.2sleeper]

ok so if i got one with the tach from a 2.2 it will work.

[What?]

2.2L to 2.2L

4.3L to 4.3L

their tach meter is different

[dimerunner88]

i'm planning on changing mine to to a tach'd one. the mileage is different by about 30k,if i just like lifted up the rear wheels with jack stands and let it idle in gear for awhile to turn the odo,would that still be fraud?

[What?]

You have few choices, MVD won't know, mileage is already higher than your Title states the mileage, so either screw it or just waste gas and roll it 30k, include increase of engine, tranny, rear end, parts wear just to roll over 30k,

[dimerunner88]

prolly just say screw it cause don't think i'ma sell it anytime soon

[SweetS10V8]

Update: Ive come accross some minor glitches......

The coolant temp isnt constantly updated anymore. It only updates when the key is in the "start" position. So you basically have to restart it to get an update on your true temp. ( a 2 1/16" gauge will be my solution, rather than having a temp gauge that works and a separate tach.

The fuel level decides it doesnt want to work at all randomly. I might have just gotten a bad one, but it works 90% of the time.

The lights for PRNDL and the odometer only work in the accessories key postition, no biggie. It still records mileage and the trip works fine.

[What?]

That's what suck about getting another stock gauge is itself can have few glitches and problems but good thing there are better meters out there that are very small and not take much space to use when any meter doesn't work, its a risk, most of time its ok

[2.2sleeper]

how can i tell if like a junk yard is trying to sell me a 4.3 tach instead of a 2.2? i know the red line in the rpms but hwtas the difference in redline rpms.

[What?]

2.2L has rpm up to 7k, 4.3L up to 6k(slotted lines begins at 5k)

[a_nightwalker]

also unless you set it differently, the tach's out of v6 and v8 will read very off.
... man i can't rermember the right way to say this, but easy way is.
tachs for the v6 are set for 6 iginitions = 1 revolution instead of 4 for the 2.2L so you'll read about 50% less rpms than you're actually running, take a tach out of a V8 and you'll read half the actual rpms you're running.
So in theory, the other tachs will work but you'll hvae to keep in mind the variance of the guage.
If you dont mind putting another guage somewhere in the truck i know autozone sells a 3"tach for around $60. Which is probrably what i'll be doing as I dont feel like finding a new intstrument pannel and get the miles changed for my 96 s10

[comics22]

son of a biscut! i went to 3 different junkyards today one of em had 15 s-10's and not a single cluster would work with my s-10! either it was a v6, or it had no tach, or it was too new...they had one 94 that had a 2.2L, 5speed, and the cluster had a tach. but as i understand it it wont work in my 95 2.2L 5speed. grr this is soo frustrating!

SON OF A &^##* i just remembered right now i forgot to look for a center console out of a blazer/jimmy. (#&( cuz i saw liek 5 of em!!!!!!
lol sorry but i had to rant

[2.2sleeper]

is it possible to take one the older sytle out of my 95 and put the +98 newer style in.

[What?]

wiring harness, i dont know never seen a 94-97 harness back of gauge, BUT you do know the designs are different, mountings, styles right?

[2.2sleeper]

yes, im just curious

[snafu584]

when I bought my new motor from an 02 s10 it had a 5spd with a tach. bought that too for 20 extra bucks. Works real nice!!

[comics22]

Quote: Originally Posted by What?

wiring harness, i dont know never seen a 94-97 harness back of gauge, BUT you do know the designs are different, mountings, styles right?

ehh heres the socket...dunno what hep that would be...this si a 95 W/O tach

[juicedondubs]

i had a 2001 2.2 5 spd w/o tach. i installed a cluster out of a 99 4.3 auto and it worked tach read correctly. i had to cut a wire b/c the cluster only came on in acc. pos. but would go off in run. i don't remember which wire though

[juicedondubs]

i still have the cluster with the tach i took it out when i sold the truck. it reads like 140,000 or 160,000 can't remember

p.m. me if you want it 30 plus shipping

[dart_06]

i did this on my truck.. i have a 98 2.2 five speed. the cluster i got mine from was an envoy with an auto on the floor.. all i did was plug it up and it worked.. i think you have to get the exact year that you have... i got mine from the s10 store on ebay

[juicedondubs]

Quote: Originally Posted by SweetS10V8

Update: Ive come accross some minor glitches......

The coolant temp isnt constantly updated anymore. It only updates when the key is in the "start" position. So you basically have to restart it to get an update on your true temp. ( a 2 1/16" gauge will be my solution, rather than having a temp gauge that works and a separate tach.

The fuel level decides it doesnt want to work at all randomly. I might have just gotten a bad one, but it works 90% of the time.

The lights for PRNDL and the odometer only work in the accessories key postition, no biggie. It still records mileage and the trip works fine.

i had this problem with mine there is an extra ignition wire in the harness it needs to be cut i cant remember which one and i sold the truck, but test all of the wires that have 12 volts only with the engine running and cut and splice each individual wire till it works right. that will fix all your problems. except the gas gauge: pull the harness to your cluster and bend all the pins outward some and that should fix your gas gauge problem.

[What?]

Quote: Originally Posted by comics22

ehh heres the socket...dunno what hep that would be...this si a 95 W/O tach

even if you do use 98-03 in dash, you'll need some glassing work to mold into your current dash and check on whatever year you pull the cluster from to match the wiring from your cluster wire output or check make sure have all wiring so you can cut and connect, you could go www.car-parts.com and using AOL AIM screenname i711relay and act deaf and call these junkyard area for free and set up payment and mailing if they do OR better yet, have local S10Forum member(you paypal to him) and he gets it and mails to u(that's what I would do) and if he has 94-97, he could test swap for you to make sure it works and if not, go back and get another or refund, it may seem a hassle but patience is worth it to get what you wanted

[comics22]

ahah yea. every trip were planning to take i google every area that we go thru to see if theres any junkyards
then call all of em along the way and see what they have.

[What?]

Quote: Originally Posted by comics22

ahah yea. every trip were planning to take i google every area that we go thru to see if there s any junkyards
then call all of em along the way and see what they have.

there you go, even better....now you cruisn by arizona yet? could have a lil 2.2L race off

[comics22]

LOL yea that sounds about as much excitment as watching 2 snails go head to head

farthest west ive ever been was colorado... id love to see what the desert looks like and this thing i hear about heat with little or no humidity

[bl1ndreaper]

my 4.3 5 speed didnt come with a tach... is that normal? or..... was I ripped off?

[What?]

Quote: Originally Posted by bl1ndreaper

my 4.3 5 speed didnt come with a tach... is that normal? or..... was I ripped off?

normal

[bl1ndreaper]

Quote: Originally Posted by What?

normal

Whats the point of it? You figure any 5 speed would come stock with a tach.. I just find it strange.

[What?]

Quote: Originally Posted by bl1ndreaper

Whats the point of it? You figure any 5 speed would come stock with a tach.. I just find it strange.

you're not only 1, everyone else agree, GM Designer sucks, IMO, every gauge should have tach, auto or 5spd, for towing, shiftin preference, oh well.

[Thomm]

Quote: Originally Posted by What?

you're not only 1, everyone else agree, GM Designer sucks, IMO, every gauge should have tach, auto or 5spd, for towing, shiftin preference, oh well.

ok lets see what everyone thinks about this one, since the 2.2 clusters with a tach are so hard to find, what if you take a 4.3 cluster with a tach and get a lighted overlay for a 2.2 5sp the rpm numbers will be 7000 then use a gps to see how far off your mph is

[bassguy354]

Okay..... I have done some messing around w/ gage clusters in the 1994-1997 style.

1994
1994 gage clusters are a 1 year part and are only found in pickups, not in blazers. they are shaped slightly differently for the non-airbag steering column, have a physically moving PRND321 indicator instead of lights, and have a different number of pins on the plug on the back.

1995-1997 clusters seem to come in 8 types (excluding Canadian ones):

1 manual 2.2 w/o tack
2 manual 2.2 w/ tach
3 auto 2.2 w/o tach
4 auto 2.2 w/ tach

5 manual 4.3 w/o tach
6 manual 4.3 w/ tach
7 auto 4.3 w/o tach
8 auto 4.3 w/ tach

From my experiences, any 2.2 cluster will work on any other 2.2 truck, and presumably any 4.3 w/ any other 4.3 truck. I currently use a type 2 on my auto 2.2, so I don't have a PRND321 reading. I'd imagine that when an auto gage is in a manual truck, the PRND321 doesn't light up.

There are a large amount of square holes on the backs of the clusters and the gages can be individually manipulated using these as contacts for wires. connecting any of the + and gnd terminals seems to fire up the voltmeter. The speedo and tach work off of pulses and can be run by rapidly brushing a wire against their contacts. The odometer also moves while you do this. The other gages run off a variable voltage, giving them their readings. As I don't have extra sensors to play with, I can't give any exact numbers. I haven't seen any type of connectors that fit these square plugs, and I have no idea why they are there, but you could theoretically use them to wire the cluster for use with a non-stock computer or even a computerless configuration. Hopefully at least some of this information will be helpful to someone.

[juicedondubs]

Quote: Originally Posted by juicedondubs

i had a 2001 2.2 5 spd w/o tach. i installed a cluster out of a 99 4.3 auto and it worked tach read correctly. i had to cut a wire b/c the cluster only came on in acc. pos. but would go off in run. i don't remember which wire though

just wandering if anyone seen this. "i had a 2001 model truck 2.2 5 spd" i pulled a cluster out of a totaled "1999 4.3 auto 4x4" and the gauges read acurately.

[2.2sleeper]

i found a guy around me that is parting one of these truck out and its a 95-97 2.2L manual and it has a tach, would this work in my 95 2.2L auto w/o a tach?

[comics22]

yes but you wouldnt see the PRNDL lights or symbols so you better know what gear its in...

[robertlamont80]

I have a 98 truck and bought a cluster out of a 2000. It didn't work so I bought a autogage. I don't know if the wiring is dif. or if it was just a bunk cluster. Next time I will look for the same year. I don't understand why they wouldn't include a tach in a ls stick but put it in a ls auto. crazy

[comics22]

yea i know just another GM brainfart.. just like how they suck at makign cupholders...

[speed127]

just a thought... I was thinking that the odometer ran off the tranz so it really didn't make a difference if it was a 4.3 or 2.2 .... it just read what was actually happening... unless the rpm #s are in different places on the 4.3 and 2.2

[bassguy354]

The scales and redlines are different from 2.2 to 4.3. The tach actually has different numbers on it.