For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released)

Zq-8_dawg · 03-27-2006, 12:31 AM

HPtuners has finally listed support for the 2.2L S-10/sonoma.

For those of you that don't know awhile back HPtuners was looking for 4 cylinder vehicles to support, however you needed to submit a make model and VIN. I jumped on the opportunity and submitted over 200 VIN's taken from ebay and auto trader. I know a few other people on the forum sent in their VIN's as well.
HPtuners sent me a letter replying that they had almost overlooked the S-10 market and didn't realize there was so much interest.

Well it looks like the hard work has paid off.

GM L4 Trucks
Years
Avail.Model TypeSingle Vehicle
CreditsYear/Model
Credits (Per Year)97-00Chevy S10 Pickup / GMC Sonoma 2.2 (Beta Only)26

I no longer own a S-10 however I am working on tuning my 2001 Grand Am with a similar tuning product. I will say that tuning is not easy and requires alot of patients however the potential gains to be had are huge. If anyone ventures into tuning their 2.2L via HPtuners let me know and I will help you in any way that I can. I am interested in seeing some scans of the 2.2L engine

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rivbluenoma · 03-27-2006, 12:51 AM

They are only covering 97-2000? Makes me wonder how much research they have done because I was pretty sure that 96 and 97 had the same engine/ecm set up. Also curious as to why they stop at 2000, again, I thought all the 98-03 2.2's were the same minus the egr valve and flex fuel? I am by no means complaining, these 2.2's need all the help they can get.

Zq-8_dawg · 03-27-2006, 01:01 AM

In the tuning world 1996 was the bastard year, because it was the first year of OBD2. That is my guess as to why 96's are not supported.

As for the 2001+ I am not sure what the reasoning is, it may have to do with flex fuel or it could be something entirely different. That would be something to ask HPtuners. I would be interested to know myself though.

s10jimmi · 03-27-2006, 01:22 AM

i would pay tons for something to tune my 03 flex.

kingkaspr · 03-27-2006, 01:29 AM

yeah i would like sumtin for my 2000 flex. it sucks cant get the right part for flex. fuel filters are over 60 bucks from the dealer noone makes headers for em either and not to mention not one damn place around me within 50 miles has e-85

Zq-8_dawg · 03-27-2006, 01:52 AM

Call up HPtuners and see if they can't add support for the 01+ flex fuel vehicles.

Another cool thing about the tuner is that it will read and clear DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes) and it will scan the vehicles data so you can pinpoint where to make changes to your tune. So that in itself is worth a few hundred. No more trips to autozone to have them pull your codes!!

Another cool thing is that say you have a 98 with a EGR valve and the damn thing sticks causing the SES light to come on. You can remove it and then go in the computer and set the fault reporting to a 0 value, clear the code and it will be like the truck never had an EGR valve as the computer doesn't see it.

rivbluenoma · 03-27-2006, 02:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg

Another cool thing is that say you have a 98 with a EGR valve and the damn thing sticks causing the SES light to come on. You can remove it and then go in the computer and set the fault reporting to a 0 value, clear the code and it will be like the truck never had an EGR valve as the computer doesn't see it.

Wonder if I could do that to my 97 as well...... just being able to get rid of that ugly little shit would almost be worth it.

lefty-noma · 03-27-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkaspr

yeah i would like sumtin for my 2000 flex. it sucks cant get the right part for flex. fuel filters are over 60 bucks from the dealer noone makes headers for em either and not to mention not one damn place around me within 50 miles has e-85

U said that here in the island there is no e85 seller so why the friking idea to bring them down here, and as they are saying I can't find parts for my flex fuel.

Zq-8_dawg · 03-27-2006, 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rivbluenoma

Wonder if I could do that to my 97 as well...... just being able to get rid of that ugly little shit would almost be worth it.

Yeah you could "delete" the EGR on your 97 with Hptuners.

rivbluenoma · 03-27-2006, 02:35 PM

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4472

Almost sounds like they dont know that theres a difference between a 2.2 and the new 2200's.
Did a quick look around and thats all I found that related to 2.2 s10's

Zq-8_dawg · 03-27-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by rivbluenoma

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4472

Almost sounds like they dont know that theres a difference between a 2.2 and the new 2200's.
Did a quick look around and thats all I found that related to 2.2 s10's

Most people consider the 2200 and the 2.2L as the same engine. Even though the 2200 is a redesigned version of the 2.2L

The 97 2.2L and the 98+ 2200 should have simiar programming as both have sequential multi port fuel injection. I even think that the you can swap a 97 PCM in for a 98 PCM if need be, I know most 97-99 computers all have the same
OS ID: #

rivbluenoma · 03-27-2006, 05:11 PM

Ive wondered about that. The 98 pcm would have to be reflashed to run a 97 because of the different notches in the in the crank for the crank sensor.

Anyways, that was my bad. I didnt catch the part where they mentioned 2.2, 2.4 AND the 2.2 dohc. The new dohc motor in the cobalts and later cavaliers is what I was referring to when I said 2200. To me every 94+ 4banger s10 is just a 2.2. But I re-read that thread that I linked and now see that they are starting off with the sohc 2.2 and 2.4's. Woot.

Its hard to grasp that someone would finally make something for such a needing but overlooked truck.

Zq-8_dawg · 03-28-2006, 11:41 PM

I can't believe that no one is interested in this, yet everyone spends money on Jet chips, Intakes, and other crap that gives minimal gains.

This tuner will not only change fueling, timing, shift point, tire sizes, gear ratios, line pressure, read and clear trouble codes, do engine logs, but it will also remove the speed limiter that everone seems to hate around here by the countless post that I have read!

With proper tuning the truck will be more responsive, and you could potentially gain 5-8 HP at the wheels.

developed · 03-28-2006, 11:52 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg

I can't believe that no one is interested in this, yet everyone spends money on Jet chips, Intakes, and other crap that gives minimal gains.

I really don't mean to pop your bubble here, but you're not the first to post this info here - http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f105/hptuners-97-00-2-2s-available-in-beta-237599/

For the price, I'd wait until it's outta beta.

Zq-8_dawg · 03-29-2006, 12:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by developed

I really don't mean to pop your bubble here, but you're not the first to post this info here - http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237599

For the price, I'd wait until it's outta beta.

I must have missed that as I don't frequent this site much these days.

As for Beta I wouldn't let that bother me as if there are any problems they will be adressed in an update as soon as a solution is found which shouldn't be long as the HPT guys are great at what they do.

It will be interesting to see who takes advantage of this and what their scans reveal.

Honestly if I were starting over with a 2.2L this would be my first mod, no questions asked.

jrossty · 03-31-2006, 11:16 AM

Yeah, I'd like to see the final results with a tuned computer on a 2.2... I'm def interested in something like this

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 12:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jrossty

Yeah, I'd like to see the final results with a tuned computer on a 2.2... I'm def interested in something like this

find me a 97-00 2.2 to tune...I'll tune it for the cost of the license & he can get before/after numbers...honestly though guys tuning software is the best mod you can get for you car/truck...it grows with you whereas other mods you gradually grow out of.

95-4banger · 03-31-2006, 02:00 PM

I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp.

Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp.

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 04:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger

I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp.

Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp.

Like I said bring me a car to play with

in the end it will cost less then hpp to get it tuned with a wideband

most people dont tune their cars just for more power either...shift points, idle & drive quality, code deletions, fan temp changes, gear changes, tire size changes are all things that get changed with a tune & can make a huge difference in the fun factor. As far as richening the mixture most end up leaning it out slightly to make more power...ever hear lean is mean?

Dr. Nate · 03-31-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger

I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp.

Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp.

I agree 100%, the price isn't worth the gains unless your running a different cam, super charger, or turbo.

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 04:50 PM

thankfully you can tune up to 4 vin locked cars/trucks/suv's with your initial purchase or do an unlimited year/model lock & tune dozens of the same year/model

$125 per vin license is far less then you'll pay with anything else out there guys.

Dozer600 · 03-31-2006, 06:11 PM

What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on.

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dozer600

What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on.

sorry i kinda ran out of room trying to open up the tree style menu

this is from an 04 cavy file so im assuming they are similar....there are currently ~100 tabs that you can change & hundreds of codes you can delete for emissions purposes. As more people test & request more things they will be added...currently the 4.3 trucks have ~500 tabs they can change.

developed · 03-31-2006, 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dozer600

What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on.

Is the speed limiter controlled by fuel cutoff?

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 09:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by developed

Is the speed limiter controlled by fuel cutoff?

there are two speed limiters that i can see in that calibration file...both are fuel cutoffs.

ablues10 · 03-31-2006, 10:13 PM

So its $500 and I can tune my truck unlimited times? As far as engine swaps/ or just to sell it, another person can use it?

foff667 · 03-31-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by IMPORTHUNTER

So its $500 and I can tune my truck unlimited times? As far as engine swaps/ or just to sell it, another person can use it?

basically yes...you get 8 credits that you can use any way you want...it costs 2 credits to do a vin locked license meaning its locked to that one pcm but you can tune it as many times as you want and you'd still have 6 credits left over to do whatever you'd like with then. Some buy, tune their car & sell it for $300-400 meaning it only costed $100-200 to tune their car. Some might go in with 3 other friends...with 8 credits and 2 credits to vin lock 4 people could tune their own separate cars/trucks.

jrossty · 04-02-2006, 04:25 AM

ok, what about tuning the time? I'd like to crank the timing in a lot sooner than it actually comes in, especially in 3rd and 4th gears.

Zq-8_dawg · 04-02-2006, 03:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger

I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp.

Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp.

I disagree with this statement. Most GM vehicles will have some KR (knock retard) from the factory. For example my car had 10 degrees of KR from the factory in stock form. Remember when your looking for performance KR is not a good thing.

Zq-8_dawg · 04-02-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by foff667

Like I said bring me a car to play with in the end it will cost less then hpp to get it tuned with a wideband most people dont tune their cars just for more power either...shift points, idle & drive quality, code deletions, fan temp changes, gear changes, tire size changes are all things that get changed with a tune & can make a huge difference in the fun factor. As far as richening the mixture most end up leaning it out slightly to make more power...ever hear lean is mean?

Where would you start on the 2.2L?

I personally think I would start by scanning the vehicle of course and looking at KR, fuel trims, map KPA, ECT, RPM, TP%, IPW, spark and O2 readings. Then I would work on getting the fueling inline via the VE tables as the 2.2L only uses a MAP sensor and AE tables. Then I would bump up timing in areas as needed. After that then tranny changes, and other minor changes.

foff667 · 04-02-2006, 06:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg

Where would you start on the 2.2L?

I personally think I would start by scanning the vehicle of course and looking at KR, fuel trims, map KPA, ECT, RPM, TP%, IPW, spark and O2 readings. Then I would work on getting the fueling inline via the VE tables as the 2.2L only uses a MAP sensor and AE tables. Then I would bump up timing in areas as needed. After that then tranny changes, and other minor changes.

Personally I would start by Setting up all the initial base stuff like fan temps/rev/speed limiters and removing alot of TM. Then hook up my wideband & start looking at alot of different things really...the 2.2 file i have has no AE tables...ve & pe thats all I had. Just like every other car I've tuned theres power to be had not to mention the fun factor can be raised. And damn do those 4 bangers need some of that

foff667 · 04-02-2006, 06:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg

I disagree with this statement. Most GM vehicles will have some KR (knock retard) from the factory. For example my car had 10 degrees of KR from the factory in stock form. Remember when your looking for performance KR is not a good thing.

I have yet to see one car with the factory tuning that didnt leave a ton on the table...trucks, vettes, gto's, fbodies, gtp's doesnt matter they all leave a ton to be desired.

navybrat02 · 03-15-2007, 05:30 PM

i got mine hp tuned and removed the top speed and added a couple of points here and there to get a little better get up and go on the highway... my only thing is i still want the low end power... i have gotten my 2.2L up to 98 and i think that there is still more room for more somewhere in that little engine... if anyone has some graphs or anything please forward it to me...

robcantgetnone · 10-11-2007, 09:41 PM

thread
where do you get this turner. I have a 2000 s10 that so slow i think i can get out a run faster then it plus i have a knock sensor issue.

robcantgetnone · 10-11-2007, 09:42 PM

where do you buy it

robcantgetnone · 10-11-2007, 09:49 PM

thread
where do you get this turner. I have a 2000 s10 that so slow i think i can get out a run faster then it plus i have a knock sensor issue.

comics22 · 10-11-2007, 10:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg

Call up HPtuners and see if they can't add support for the 01+ flex fuel vehicles.

Another cool thing about the tuner is that it will read and clear DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes) and it will scan the vehicles data so you can pinpoint where to make changes to your tune. So that in itself is worth a few hundred. No more trips to autozone to have them pull your codes!!

Another cool thing is that say you have a 98 with a EGR valve and the damn thing sticks causing the SES light to come on. You can remove it and then go in the computer and set the fault reporting to a 0 value, clear the code and it will be like the truck never had an EGR valve as the computer doesn't see it.

hmm my egr took a dump in my 1995 so i took it off and inevedebly the ses light comes on. so im guessing once you change it so the computer doesnt reconize it, does the computer seem to make any changes to anything else? performance, gas milleags, etc..

cuz im really likeing the fact that im getting 28 mpg out of my truck just from school and back.

OR is there anyhtign else i can do to fool the computer?

bladehines · 10-18-2007, 01:27 PM

on tuning for using boost do i need to get a different map sensor?

cs xtreme · 10-18-2007, 03:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bladehines

on tuning for using boost do i need to get a different map sensor?

nope
our computer doesnt use the map sensor for much more than idle and the transmission.
most of your tuning will probabally be in PE tables and such

bladehines · 10-18-2007, 03:53 PM

well i have a local guy that tunes vettes, camaros, and mustangs already.... with hp tuners. so all he would need to do is buy credits for my 2.2!

so it's good news for me i don't need my FMU!

but do i need the 90psi fuel pump now?

Chris0nllyn · 10-18-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bladehines

well i have a local guy that tunes vettes, camaros, and mustangs already.... with hp tuners. so all he would need to do is buy credits for my 2.2!

so it's good news for me i don't need my FMU!

but do i need the 90psi fuel pump now?

get a 4.3 pump

bladehines · 10-18-2007, 07:01 PM

i have a holley in tank pump, 90psi 255lph.

stevedavis58 · 10-25-2007, 12:39 AM

i didnt realize they had flex fuel 2.2's in 2000. are they all flex fuel........?? thats what i have is why im wondering.thanks
steve

Chris0nllyn · 10-25-2007, 01:14 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by stevedavis58

i didnt realize they had flex fuel 2.2's in 2000. are they all flex fuel........?? thats what i have is why im wondering.thanks
steve

no, they all werent flex fuel...i think the fuel filter is different, among other things of course

Toadz · 10-25-2007, 03:05 PM

Do they have any sort of demonstration or walk through on their site that shows how it works?
Also, so if you bought the tuner for your 2.2L could you use it to tune another vehicle that isn't of the same make? Let's say a friend and I go half on one using it for my 2.2 and his 4.6 Ford. Would that work?
Has the price dropped at all and have they started to include '96's or do we need to keep bugging them for that?
I also was reading that on some vehicles when the switchover to OBD-II happened there were more bastard vehicles like our '96's they would take the PCM from the '97 model and put it on the '96. Is that possible with ours so we are able to get the tuner?

kingkaspr · 10-26-2007, 04:08 AM

i have a flex in my 2000 and yes the filer is diffrent only from gm bout 80 bucks. plus the manifold is diffrent

Toadz · 10-26-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Toadz

Do they have any sort of demonstration or walk through on their site that shows how it works?
Also, so if you bought the tuner for your 2.2L could you use it to tune another vehicle that isn't of the same make? Let's say a friend and I go half on one using it for my 2.2 and his 4.6 Ford. Would that work?
Has the price dropped at all and have they started to include '96's or do we need to keep bugging them for that?
I also was reading that on some vehicles when the switchover to OBD-II happened there were more bastard vehicles like our '96's they would take the PCM from the '97 model and put it on the '96. Is that possible with ours so we are able to get the tuner?

Can anyone answer those questions? I'll probably just shoot them an e-mail sometime if no one knows.

Chris0nllyn · 10-26-2007, 09:03 PM

e-mail em

***What?*** · 10-27-2007, 12:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by kingkaspr

i have a flex in my 2000 and yes the filer is diffrent only from gm bout 80 bucks. plus the manifold is diffrent

thats air injection manifold with air pump, to improve emission

***What?*** · 10-27-2007, 12:57 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

e-mail em

call em

03-27-2006, 12:31 AM	#1
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) HPtuners has finally listed support for the 2.2L S-10/sonoma. For those of you that don't know awhile back HPtuners was looking for 4 cylinder vehicles to support, however you needed to submit a make model and VIN. I jumped on the opportunity and submitted over 200 VIN's taken from ebay and auto trader. I know a few other people on the forum sent in their VIN's as well. HPtuners sent me a letter replying that they had almost overlooked the S-10 market and didn't realize there was so much interest. Well it looks like the hard work has paid off. GM L4 Trucks Years Avail.Model TypeSingle Vehicle CreditsYear/Model Credits (Per Year)97-00Chevy S10 Pickup / GMC Sonoma 2.2 (Beta Only)26 I no longer own a S-10 however I am working on tuning my 2001 Grand Am with a similar tuning product. I will say that tuning is not easy and requires alot of patients however the potential gains to be had are huge. If anyone ventures into tuning their 2.2L via HPtuners let me know and I will help you in any way that I can. I am interested in seeing some scans of the 2.2L engine .
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03-27-2006, 12:51 AM	#2
rivbluenoma Dead Project Truck Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 Location: KC User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) They are only covering 97-2000? Makes me wonder how much research they have done because I was pretty sure that 96 and 97 had the same engine/ecm set up. Also curious as to why they stop at 2000, again, I thought all the 98-03 2.2's were the same minus the egr valve and flex fuel? I am by no means complaining, these 2.2's need all the help they can get.
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03-27-2006, 01:01 AM	#3
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) In the tuning world 1996 was the bastard year, because it was the first year of OBD2. That is my guess as to why 96's are not supported. As for the 2001+ I am not sure what the reasoning is, it may have to do with flex fuel or it could be something entirely different. That would be something to ask HPtuners. I would be interested to know myself though.
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03-27-2006, 01:22 AM	#4
s10jimmi LOL NEON Age: 21 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,456 Location: School in Charlotte/Home in Cary, NC User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) i would pay tons for something to tune my 03 flex.
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kingkaspr Registered User Age: 29 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 715 Location: frederick md User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) yeah i would like sumtin for my 2000 flex. it sucks cant get the right part for flex. fuel filters are over 60 bucks from the dealer noone makes headers for em either and not to mention not one damn place around me within 50 miles has e-85
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03-27-2006, 01:52 AM	#6
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Call up HPtuners and see if they can't add support for the 01+ flex fuel vehicles. Another cool thing about the tuner is that it will read and clear DTC's (diagnostic trouble codes) and it will scan the vehicles data so you can pinpoint where to make changes to your tune. So that in itself is worth a few hundred. No more trips to autozone to have them pull your codes!! Another cool thing is that say you have a 98 with a EGR valve and the damn thing sticks causing the SES light to come on. You can remove it and then go in the computer and set the fault reporting to a 0 value, clear the code and it will be like the truck never had an EGR valve as the computer doesn't see it.
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03-27-2006, 02:02 AM	#7
rivbluenoma Dead Project Truck Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 Location: KC User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg Another cool thing is that say you have a 98 with a EGR valve and the damn thing sticks causing the SES light to come on. You can remove it and then go in the computer and set the fault reporting to a 0 value, clear the code and it will be like the truck never had an EGR valve as the computer doesn't see it. Wonder if I could do that to my 97 as well...... just being able to get rid of that ugly little shit would almost be worth it.
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03-27-2006, 11:34 AM	#8
lefty-noma .:CARPE DIEM:. Age: 26 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 156 Location: Puerto Rico User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by kingkaspr yeah i would like sumtin for my 2000 flex. it sucks cant get the right part for flex. fuel filters are over 60 bucks from the dealer noone makes headers for em either and not to mention not one damn place around me within 50 miles has e-85 U said that here in the island there is no e85 seller so why the friking idea to bring them down here, and as they are saying I can't find parts for my flex fuel.
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03-27-2006, 01:12 PM	#9
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by rivbluenoma Wonder if I could do that to my 97 as well...... just being able to get rid of that ugly little shit would almost be worth it. Yeah you could "delete" the EGR on your 97 with Hptuners.
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03-27-2006, 02:35 PM	#10
rivbluenoma Dead Project Truck Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 Location: KC User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4472 Almost sounds like they dont know that theres a difference between a 2.2 and the new 2200's. Did a quick look around and thats all I found that related to 2.2 s10's
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03-27-2006, 04:56 PM	#11
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by rivbluenoma http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4472 Almost sounds like they dont know that theres a difference between a 2.2 and the new 2200's. Did a quick look around and thats all I found that related to 2.2 s10's Most people consider the 2200 and the 2.2L as the same engine. Even though the 2200 is a redesigned version of the 2.2L The 97 2.2L and the 98+ 2200 should have simiar programming as both have sequential multi port fuel injection. I even think that the you can swap a 97 PCM in for a 98 PCM if need be, I know most 97-99 computers all have the same OS ID: #
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03-27-2006, 05:11 PM	#12
rivbluenoma Dead Project Truck Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 Location: KC User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Ive wondered about that. The 98 pcm would have to be reflashed to run a 97 because of the different notches in the in the crank for the crank sensor. Anyways, that was my bad. I didnt catch the part where they mentioned 2.2, 2.4 AND the 2.2 dohc. The new dohc motor in the cobalts and later cavaliers is what I was referring to when I said 2200. To me every 94+ 4banger s10 is just a 2.2. But I re-read that thread that I linked and now see that they are starting off with the sohc 2.2 and 2.4's. Woot. Its hard to grasp that someone would finally make something for such a needing but overlooked truck.
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03-28-2006, 11:41 PM	#13
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) I can't believe that no one is interested in this, yet everyone spends money on Jet chips, Intakes, and other crap that gives minimal gains. This tuner will not only change fueling, timing, shift point, tire sizes, gear ratios, line pressure, read and clear trouble codes, do engine logs, but it will also remove the speed limiter that everone seems to hate around here by the countless post that I have read! With proper tuning the truck will be more responsive, and you could potentially gain 5-8 HP at the wheels. Last edited by Zq-8_dawg : 03-28-2006 at 11:43 PM.
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03-28-2006, 11:52 PM	#14
developed ol' bodybuilder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 626 Location: Oregon User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg I can't believe that no one is interested in this, yet everyone spends money on Jet chips, Intakes, and other crap that gives minimal gains. I really don't mean to pop your bubble here, but you're not the first to post this info here - http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f105/hptuners-97-00-2-2s-available-in-beta-237599/ For the price, I'd wait until it's outta beta.
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03-29-2006, 12:14 AM	#15
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by developed I really don't mean to pop your bubble here, but you're not the first to post this info here - http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237599 For the price, I'd wait until it's outta beta. I must have missed that as I don't frequent this site much these days. As for Beta I wouldn't let that bother me as if there are any problems they will be adressed in an update as soon as a solution is found which shouldn't be long as the HPT guys are great at what they do. It will be interesting to see who takes advantage of this and what their scans reveal. Honestly if I were starting over with a 2.2L this would be my first mod, no questions asked.
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03-31-2006, 11:16 AM	#16
jrossty Rhasta the Lobstah Age: 30 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 281 Location: Kenton, OH User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Yeah, I'd like to see the final results with a tuned computer on a 2.2... I'm def interested in something like this
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03-31-2006, 12:03 PM	#17
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by jrossty Yeah, I'd like to see the final results with a tuned computer on a 2.2... I'm def interested in something like this find me a 97-00 2.2 to tune...I'll tune it for the cost of the license & he can get before/after numbers...honestly though guys tuning software is the best mod you can get for you car/truck...it grows with you whereas other mods you gradually grow out of.
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03-31-2006, 02:00 PM	#18
95-4banger Not low, not going to be Age: 26 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 346 Location: Alpharetta, GA User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp. Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp.
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03-31-2006, 04:36 PM	#19
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp. Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp. Like I said bring me a car to play with in the end it will cost less then hpp to get it tuned with a wideband most people dont tune their cars just for more power either...shift points, idle & drive quality, code deletions, fan temp changes, gear changes, tire size changes are all things that get changed with a tune & can make a huge difference in the fun factor. As far as richening the mixture most end up leaning it out slightly to make more power...ever hear lean is mean?
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03-31-2006, 04:47 PM	#20
Dr. Nate The doctor is in... Age: 25 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,243 Location: Houston, Texas User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp. Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp. I agree 100%, the price isn't worth the gains unless your running a different cam, super charger, or turbo.
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03-31-2006, 04:50 PM	#21
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) thankfully you can tune up to 4 vin locked cars/trucks/suv's with your initial purchase or do an unlimited year/model lock & tune dozens of the same year/model $125 per vin license is far less then you'll pay with anything else out there guys.
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03-31-2006, 06:11 PM	#22
Dozer600 Carnivorous vulgaris Age: 36 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,210 Location: Traverse City, MI User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on.
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03-31-2006, 07:16 PM	#23
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Dozer600 What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on. sorry i kinda ran out of room trying to open up the tree style menu this is from an 04 cavy file so im assuming they are similar....there are currently ~100 tabs that you can change & hundreds of codes you can delete for emissions purposes. As more people test & request more things they will be added...currently the 4.3 trucks have ~500 tabs they can change.
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03-31-2006, 08:22 PM	#24
developed ol' bodybuilder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 626 Location: Oregon User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Dozer600 What will it allow you to control? I would like to kill some of the emissions bs like the tank pressure, EGR and so on. Is the speed limiter controlled by fuel cutoff?
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03-31-2006, 09:51 PM	#25
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by developed Is the speed limiter controlled by fuel cutoff? there are two speed limiters that i can see in that calibration file...both are fuel cutoffs.
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03-31-2006, 10:13 PM	#26
ablues10 Resident A-10 Crewcheif Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,507 Location: Springfield & Whiteman AFB,MO User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) So its $500 and I can tune my truck unlimited times? As far as engine swaps/ or just to sell it, another person can use it?
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03-31-2006, 10:57 PM	#27
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by IMPORTHUNTER So its $500 and I can tune my truck unlimited times? As far as engine swaps/ or just to sell it, another person can use it? basically yes...you get 8 credits that you can use any way you want...it costs 2 credits to do a vin locked license meaning its locked to that one pcm but you can tune it as many times as you want and you'd still have 6 credits left over to do whatever you'd like with then. Some buy, tune their car & sell it for $300-400 meaning it only costed $100-200 to tune their car. Some might go in with 3 other friends...with 8 credits and 2 credits to vin lock 4 people could tune their own separate cars/trucks.
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04-02-2006, 04:25 AM	#28
jrossty Rhasta the Lobstah Age: 30 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 281 Location: Kenton, OH User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) ok, what about tuning the time? I'd like to crank the timing in a lot sooner than it actually comes in, especially in 3rd and 4th gears.
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04-02-2006, 03:21 PM	#29
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by 95-4banger I have a hard time believing that computer tuning will make that much more power than stock. The computer cannot adjust valve timing or lift, intake/exhaust flow rates, compression ratio, ect... The two basic parameters it controls are the fuel mixture and spark curve, which are going to be pretty close to ideal to begin with. You'll gain a little power with a more aggressive spark curve, provided you don't mind running premium gas, and perhaps a hair more by richening the mixture slightly. All that together might add up to 6 or 7 hp. Obviously it's a necessity when performing modifications that will prevent the factory programming from working correctly, such as a big cam or possibly forced induction (not the usual bolt ons such as "intake," exhaust, efan, pulleys, etc). But for the average enthusiast who just wants his 2.2 to be a little less slow, that's a pretty expensive few hp. I disagree with this statement. Most GM vehicles will have some KR (knock retard) from the factory. For example my car had 10 degrees of KR from the factory in stock form. Remember when your looking for performance KR is not a good thing.
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04-02-2006, 03:23 PM	#30
Zq-8_dawg Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,574 Location: Terre Haute, IN / Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by foff667 Like I said bring me a car to play with in the end it will cost less then hpp to get it tuned with a wideband most people dont tune their cars just for more power either...shift points, idle & drive quality, code deletions, fan temp changes, gear changes, tire size changes are all things that get changed with a tune & can make a huge difference in the fun factor. As far as richening the mixture most end up leaning it out slightly to make more power...ever hear lean is mean? Where would you start on the 2.2L? I personally think I would start by scanning the vehicle of course and looking at KR, fuel trims, map KPA, ECT, RPM, TP%, IPW, spark and O2 readings. Then I would work on getting the fueling inline via the VE tables as the 2.2L only uses a MAP sensor and AE tables. Then I would bump up timing in areas as needed. After that then tranny changes, and other minor changes. Last edited by Zq-8_dawg : 04-02-2006 at 03:34 PM.
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04-02-2006, 06:56 PM	#31
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg Where would you start on the 2.2L? I personally think I would start by scanning the vehicle of course and looking at KR, fuel trims, map KPA, ECT, RPM, TP%, IPW, spark and O2 readings. Then I would work on getting the fueling inline via the VE tables as the 2.2L only uses a MAP sensor and AE tables. Then I would bump up timing in areas as needed. After that then tranny changes, and other minor changes. Personally I would start by Setting up all the initial base stuff like fan temps/rev/speed limiters and removing alot of TM. Then hook up my wideband & start looking at alot of different things really...the 2.2 file i have has no AE tables...ve & pe thats all I had. Just like every other car I've tuned theres power to be had not to mention the fun factor can be raised. And damn do those 4 bangers need some of that
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04-02-2006, 06:58 PM	#32
foff667 a blown member dsi racing founder Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 67 Location: Trenton NJ User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) Quote: Originally Posted by Zq-8_dawg I disagree with this statement. Most GM vehicles will have some KR (knock retard) from the factory. For example my car had 10 degrees of KR from the factory in stock form. Remember when your looking for performance KR is not a good thing. I have yet to see one car with the factory tuning that didnt leave a ton on the table...trucks, vettes, gto's, fbodies, gtp's doesnt matter they all leave a ton to be desired.
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03-15-2007, 05:30 PM	#33
navybrat02 Broke ass minitrucker!!! Age: 26 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 112 Location: College Station, TX User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) i got mine hp tuned and removed the top speed and added a couple of points here and there to get a little better get up and go on the highway... my only thing is i still want the low end power... i have gotten my 2.2L up to 98 and i think that there is still more room for more somewhere in that little engine... if anyone has some graphs or anything please forward it to me...
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10-11-2007, 09:41 PM	#34
robcantgetnone Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) thread where do you get this turner. I have a 2000 s10 that so slow i think i can get out a run faster then it plus i have a knock sensor issue.
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10-11-2007, 09:42 PM	#35
robcantgetnone Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: For all you 2.2L Bastards (Tuning Software Released) where do you buy it
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