Swap 350 crate into bagged s10

S10KRO · 10-27-2009, 10:38 AM

I'm looking to put a 350 crate into my s10, but I'm not exactly sure that it will fit. Its bagged and lays frame on 20s. the stock control arms are modified. I'm basically thinking that fitting the headers in will be the problem. Also i wanted to know if the stock transmission, drive shaft, and rear end, will hold up to a 350 crate.

Revolt · 10-27-2009, 05:45 PM

Never worked on a bagged s10, if your truck was a 4.3 the driveshaft/rear should work. However I and everyone else don't know what year or engine size your truck is, so the transmission is up in the air.

Might have to simply jump in and get your hands dirty.

Maverick2664 · 10-27-2009, 06:29 PM

if your truck is only bagged and not BD'd, you can probably get away with hedman's longtube v8 s10 headers, they do not hang below a stock frame, shorties are also an option, hedman also makes a set of those, as well as patriot

if your truck is a 4.3, your driveline will work fine as long as you dont put any really good parts in that engine, you start making too much power and you will break the stock parts, especially the transmission, it wasnt really designed to be put behind a v8

Aftershoxxx · 10-28-2009, 12:04 AM

the stock control arms might give u a lil clearance issue but other than that it shouldn't be too much hassle.. i've got a 350 in mine with tubular upper and lower arms laid on 20s and runnin patriot shorty's lays out with plenty of room

S10KRO · 10-28-2009, 09:55 AM

its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out

S10KRO · 10-28-2009, 10:10 AM

i forgot to mention that I'm planning on running just a stock 350

Aftershoxxx · 10-28-2009, 10:14 AM

run a stock oil pan and shorty headers then would be my thoughts, keep it simple and u'll have the least amount of headache in the build

S10KRO · 10-28-2009, 12:53 PM

are you running fuel injection or a carb? because i wanna run a carb, but i dont know what to do as far as the computer goes. I'm looking into if i can get it wiped or exactly what i should do

Maverick2664 · 10-28-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by S10KRO

its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out

then he lied to you... a stock 2.2 tranny wont even bolt up to a small block... and i smell bullshit on 800 hp on ANY stock trans

Aftershoxxx · 10-28-2009, 09:27 PM

i'm running fuel injection, running a carb would be much simpler for the most part of wiring it up and all since u wouldn't be using most of the wiring harness anymore

83blazer28 · 10-31-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Maverick2664

then he lied to you... a stock 2.2 tranny wont even bolt up to a small block... and i smell bullshit on 800 hp on ANY stock trans

quoted for truth

as soon as i saw that it made me

and if money is no object to you, you could always invest in a dry sump system and get all the clearance you could want

carter · 11-03-2009, 07:04 PM

modified control arms wont clear unless their SD uppers...ask me how i know...

Aftershoxxx · 11-03-2009, 08:10 PM

air ride technologies do clear, got em on mine....modified stocks wont

01cherryreds10 · 11-03-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 83blazer28

quoted for truth

as soon as i saw that it made me

and if money is no object to you, you could always invest in a dry sump system and get all the clearance you could want

If anything, adding a dry sump system would not only be completely useless for this application, but it would be an even bigger headache mounting the tank for the oil. Dry sumps are mainly used for high performance and when rapid cornering is demanded. I don't think he's gonna be taking a bagged S series on 20's with an out of box small block and take it to Road America and expect to comete with Z06's.

83blazer28 · 11-03-2009, 08:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10

If anything, adding a dry sump system would not only be completely useless for this application, but it would be an even bigger headache mounting the tank for the oil. Dry sumps are mainly used for high performance and when rapid cornering is demanded. I don't think he's gonna be taking a bagged S series on 20's with an out of box small block and take it to Road America and expect to comete with Z06's.

....except for the part where it eliminates the need to worry about clearing the oil pan

01cherryreds10 · 11-03-2009, 08:45 PM

And in order to know what kind of transmission should be used, we are gonna need more information on this "crate engine". There is a huge difference in the demand from a transmission between using a ZZ4 crate and a Gen 0 crate.

01cherryreds10 · 11-03-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 83blazer28

....except for the part where it eliminates the need to worry about clearing the oil pan

Have you ever seen the dry sump tank that the C6 Z06 uses? It's fvcking huge and laying on 20's with a V8 all crammed into an S10, it's gonna be one hell of a time to mount it somewhere. He could probably throw a rock out of his bedroom window and hit 10 different places that make shallow SBC oil pans.

83blazer28 · 11-03-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10

Have you ever seen the dry sump tank that the C6 Z06 uses? It's fvcking huge and laying on 20's with a V8 all crammed into an S10, it's gonna be one hell of a time to mount it somewhere. He could probably throw a rock out of his bedroom window and hit 10 different places that make shallow SBC oil pans.

can't say that i've seen one in person but i would imagine it would be somewhere around 5 quarts, i would think he could make a custom tank that would fit somewhere else, but thats probably much more costly then just finding a shallow pan

Maverick2664 · 11-04-2009, 12:33 AM

you guys are making this way more complicated than it actually is... i dont see the need for a crazy ass pan/oil system setup... the pan on a small block doesnt hang any lower than it does on the 4.3's... hell my truck is bagged -and- bodied with a smallblock and still have at least 2 inches pan clearance, you can even put a high capacity pan on your smallblock and it will still work, the extra space is added to the sides, not the bottom

unless you made your truck all wheel drive, have an engine that make rediculous power, and plan to road race it... a dry sump oil system is a waste of money and time... plain and simple its not needed

carter · 11-04-2009, 01:41 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Aftershoxxx

air ride technologies do clear, got em on mine....modified stocks wont

that is more or less what i mean, thanks for clearing that up, you need tubulars

jasonwayne222 · 11-05-2009, 02:36 PM

im puttin a 350 into a 97 thats bagged and bodied i have stock arms, u guys are saying that the stock arms are goin to be in the way of the headers?

Aftershoxxx · 11-05-2009, 05:03 PM

under general experience yes the control arms hit the headers before laying out. not to say it's impossible cause seems like there's always an exception to the rule

carter · 11-05-2009, 08:14 PM

yeah, mine hit real hard and put small dents in mine. whoopsie. I left my truck aired up mid way through the swap to get a jeck under it easier and left it for like a week...came back to find it aired out and control arms hitting the headers. My mistake, dont let it happen to you. Im pretty sure the only thing your BD will affect is the exhaust clearance and your hood most likely will not fit. The stock oil pan (mine was from a 4x4) hangs way above the skid plate and has no chance of hitting the ground.

Has anyone seen a layed out s10 with a v8 swap using stock control arms? i fail too see how its possible.

draggindime072010 · 11-05-2009, 09:41 PM

i have stock control arms on mine with my v8 but it doesnt quite layout yet and when i go to make it layout i will surely have to get some tubulars the stocks will hit the headers. other than that there is no problem with having a v8 and laying out with bags. the oilpan still has plenty of clearance

01cherryreds10 · 11-06-2009, 01:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by carter

Has anyone seen a layed out s10 with a v8 swap using stock control arms? i fail too see how its possible.

I think some take a little material off of the UCA ears, and dent the primary tubes. I wouldn't trust taking material off of the control arms but that's personal opinion.

carter · 11-06-2009, 12:19 PM

i cut my uppers up just to see if they'd fit while i waited for my SD uppers in the mail (no it did not see the road like this) and they still dented them up when layed out

Arich0908 · 11-08-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by S10KRO

its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out

Do you also own a civic?

Xaos. · 11-18-2009, 12:28 AM

10-27-2009, 10:38 AM	#1
S10KRO Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Location: User is: OffLine	Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 I'm looking to put a 350 crate into my s10, but I'm not exactly sure that it will fit. Its bagged and lays frame on 20s. the stock control arms are modified. I'm basically thinking that fitting the headers in will be the problem. Also i wanted to know if the stock transmission, drive shaft, and rear end, will hold up to a 350 crate.
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10-27-2009, 05:45 PM	#2
Revolt Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 24 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Never worked on a bagged s10, if your truck was a 4.3 the driveshaft/rear should work. However I and everyone else don't know what year or engine size your truck is, so the transmission is up in the air. Might have to simply jump in and get your hands dirty.
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10-27-2009, 06:29 PM	#3
Maverick2664 Heavy Metal Body Man Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,843 Location: Erie PA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 if your truck is only bagged and not BD'd, you can probably get away with hedman's longtube v8 s10 headers, they do not hang below a stock frame, shorties are also an option, hedman also makes a set of those, as well as patriot if your truck is a 4.3, your driveline will work fine as long as you dont put any really good parts in that engine, you start making too much power and you will break the stock parts, especially the transmission, it wasnt really designed to be put behind a v8
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10-28-2009, 12:04 AM	#4
Aftershoxxx Not rich, Just broke Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 665 Location: Alexandria, LA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 the stock control arms might give u a lil clearance issue but other than that it shouldn't be too much hassle.. i've got a 350 in mine with tubular upper and lower arms laid on 20s and runnin patriot shorty's lays out with plenty of room
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10-28-2009, 09:55 AM	#5
S10KRO Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out
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10-28-2009, 10:10 AM	#6
S10KRO Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 i forgot to mention that I'm planning on running just a stock 350
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10-28-2009, 10:14 AM	#7
Aftershoxxx Not rich, Just broke Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 665 Location: Alexandria, LA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 run a stock oil pan and shorty headers then would be my thoughts, keep it simple and u'll have the least amount of headache in the build
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10-28-2009, 12:53 PM	#8
S10KRO Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 are you running fuel injection or a carb? because i wanna run a carb, but i dont know what to do as far as the computer goes. I'm looking into if i can get it wiped or exactly what i should do
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10-28-2009, 01:21 PM	#9
Maverick2664 Heavy Metal Body Man Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,843 Location: Erie PA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by S10KRO its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out then he lied to you... a stock 2.2 tranny wont even bolt up to a small block... and i smell bullshit on 800 hp on ANY stock trans
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10-28-2009, 09:27 PM	#10
Aftershoxxx Not rich, Just broke Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 665 Location: Alexandria, LA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 i'm running fuel injection, running a carb would be much simpler for the most part of wiring it up and all since u wouldn't be using most of the wiring harness anymore
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10-31-2009, 02:00 PM	#11
83blazer28 paint color? ... Mud =D Age: 17 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,238 Location: Baltimore, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by Maverick2664 then he lied to you... a stock 2.2 tranny wont even bolt up to a small block... and i smell bullshit on 800 hp on ANY stock trans quoted for truth as soon as i saw that it made me and if money is no object to you, you could always invest in a dry sump system and get all the clearance you could want
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11-03-2009, 07:04 PM	#12
carter Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Calgary User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 modified control arms wont clear unless their SD uppers...ask me how i know...
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11-03-2009, 08:10 PM	#13
Aftershoxxx Not rich, Just broke Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 665 Location: Alexandria, LA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 air ride technologies do clear, got em on mine....modified stocks wont
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11-03-2009, 08:40 PM	#14
01cherryreds10 Former S10 enthusiast Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,637 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by 83blazer28 quoted for truth as soon as i saw that it made me and if money is no object to you, you could always invest in a dry sump system and get all the clearance you could want If anything, adding a dry sump system would not only be completely useless for this application, but it would be an even bigger headache mounting the tank for the oil. Dry sumps are mainly used for high performance and when rapid cornering is demanded. I don't think he's gonna be taking a bagged S series on 20's with an out of box small block and take it to Road America and expect to comete with Z06's.
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11-03-2009, 08:45 PM	#15
83blazer28 paint color? ... Mud =D Age: 17 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,238 Location: Baltimore, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10 If anything, adding a dry sump system would not only be completely useless for this application, but it would be an even bigger headache mounting the tank for the oil. Dry sumps are mainly used for high performance and when rapid cornering is demanded. I don't think he's gonna be taking a bagged S series on 20's with an out of box small block and take it to Road America and expect to comete with Z06's. ....except for the part where it eliminates the need to worry about clearing the oil pan
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11-03-2009, 08:47 PM	#17
01cherryreds10 Former S10 enthusiast Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,637 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by 83blazer28 ....except for the part where it eliminates the need to worry about clearing the oil pan Have you ever seen the dry sump tank that the C6 Z06 uses? It's fvcking huge and laying on 20's with a V8 all crammed into an S10, it's gonna be one hell of a time to mount it somewhere. He could probably throw a rock out of his bedroom window and hit 10 different places that make shallow SBC oil pans.
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11-03-2009, 09:42 PM	#18
83blazer28 paint color? ... Mud =D Age: 17 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,238 Location: Baltimore, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10 Have you ever seen the dry sump tank that the C6 Z06 uses? It's fvcking huge and laying on 20's with a V8 all crammed into an S10, it's gonna be one hell of a time to mount it somewhere. He could probably throw a rock out of his bedroom window and hit 10 different places that make shallow SBC oil pans. can't say that i've seen one in person but i would imagine it would be somewhere around 5 quarts, i would think he could make a custom tank that would fit somewhere else, but thats probably much more costly then just finding a shallow pan
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11-04-2009, 12:33 AM	#19
Maverick2664 Heavy Metal Body Man Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,843 Location: Erie PA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 you guys are making this way more complicated than it actually is... i dont see the need for a crazy ass pan/oil system setup... the pan on a small block doesnt hang any lower than it does on the 4.3's... hell my truck is bagged -and- bodied with a smallblock and still have at least 2 inches pan clearance, you can even put a high capacity pan on your smallblock and it will still work, the extra space is added to the sides, not the bottom unless you made your truck all wheel drive, have an engine that make rediculous power, and plan to road race it... a dry sump oil system is a waste of money and time... plain and simple its not needed
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11-04-2009, 01:41 AM	#20
carter Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Calgary User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by Aftershoxxx air ride technologies do clear, got em on mine....modified stocks wont that is more or less what i mean, thanks for clearing that up, you need tubulars
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11-05-2009, 02:36 PM	#21
jasonwayne222 Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 85 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 im puttin a 350 into a 97 thats bagged and bodied i have stock arms, u guys are saying that the stock arms are goin to be in the way of the headers?
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11-05-2009, 05:03 PM	#22
Aftershoxxx Not rich, Just broke Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 665 Location: Alexandria, LA User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 under general experience yes the control arms hit the headers before laying out. not to say it's impossible cause seems like there's always an exception to the rule
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11-05-2009, 08:14 PM	#23
carter Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Calgary User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 yeah, mine hit real hard and put small dents in mine. whoopsie. I left my truck aired up mid way through the swap to get a jeck under it easier and left it for like a week...came back to find it aired out and control arms hitting the headers. My mistake, dont let it happen to you. Im pretty sure the only thing your BD will affect is the exhaust clearance and your hood most likely will not fit. The stock oil pan (mine was from a 4x4) hangs way above the skid plate and has no chance of hitting the ground. Has anyone seen a layed out s10 with a v8 swap using stock control arms? i fail too see how its possible.
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11-05-2009, 09:41 PM	#24
draggindime072010 ROLL TIDE!!!!!! Age: 17 Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 958 Location: User is: Online	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 i have stock control arms on mine with my v8 but it doesnt quite layout yet and when i go to make it layout i will surely have to get some tubulars the stocks will hit the headers. other than that there is no problem with having a v8 and laying out with bags. the oilpan still has plenty of clearance
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11-06-2009, 01:16 AM	#25
01cherryreds10 Former S10 enthusiast Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,637 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by carter Has anyone seen a layed out s10 with a v8 swap using stock control arms? i fail too see how its possible. I think some take a little material off of the UCA ears, and dent the primary tubes. I wouldn't trust taking material off of the control arms but that's personal opinion.
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11-06-2009, 12:19 PM	#26
carter Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Calgary User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 i cut my uppers up just to see if they'd fit while i waited for my SD uppers in the mail (no it did not see the road like this) and they still dented them up when layed out
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11-08-2009, 09:56 AM	#27
Arich0908 Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 65 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Quote: Originally Posted by S10KRO its a 97 with a 2.2.... i did some research about the transmission holding up and found out my buddy is running 800hp on the same stock trans and rear end. I'm still trying to find out about the headers clearing and what oil pan to get so i dont crack it when i lay it out Do you also own a civic?
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11-18-2009, 12:28 AM	#28
Xaos. (Chaos) Age: 28 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,464 Location: lincoln User is: OffLine	Re: Swap 350 crate into bagged s10 Rofl
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