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Ok........I just found a broke Zexel carrier residing inside my rearend!

Screw it!!!! I am going to have a 9" built!
Any good suggestions on who to use(ie...Moser, Strange etc etc)?

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do a 8.8 explorer rear narrow it like I did shorten one side and have the tubes welded to the housing. 9"s are strong but 8.8 is more efficient. the explorer one is 31 spline axles.
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How do you figure a 8.8" is more "effecient"?

Don't use either company get your own froma junk yard and have in narrowed and get some axles and put togather a 3rd member


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9" fords eat hp because of the way the gears are set.
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9" fords eat hp because of the way the gears are set.
But you can't hardly break a 9".......and when you throw a bunch of power on motor alone and then get happy with the giggle juice......you want to know that you have a bullet proof rear end!
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As for the 8.8 deal.
I had thought of that.....but I really want a 9" due to future plans, and I only want to do this once.

Future plans means 454 sbc and an ATI Procharger!
ok ok.....I might end up doing a 427 or something small like that.......but it will be 400+ cubes and blown.......with a FAST FI on it.
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Show me the stats on a 8.8 vs a 9.0 I would like to see dyno test on the hp difference


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Go with the 9". Even the Mustang guys use them. It'll make the truck worth more in the end as well.

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Everybackhalf kit on earth uses a 9" and I havent seen many people go with a 8.8" over a 9" thats why I want to see it on paper what the 8.8" saves you on hp vs the 9"...If there is no proof then it's probrably b/s...Cause you know SOMEBODY would have done a dyno test by now...
I would get a 9" I can't see it taking no more hp to turn realisticaly....


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The Stuningman sent me two good links......in one of these links it states a 9" will eat 2-3% more power than a 12 bolt.
But as I stated before..........I have big plans for the future.....so I want the big boy now.
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That's a 12 bolt, and its still worth the sacrafice.

You can gain that power back elsewhere. Besides, 2-3% more power means nothing if you're breaking rear ends trying to put it to the ground.

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If your gonna have one built go with Moser or Summers, NOT Strange. Strange used to be the best but anymore their not that great. I had Strange axles in my Dana and wanted them shortened, Strange told me to call Moser!!! I agree with 10.5 get a rear,narrow it an order your axles.

http://www.moserengineering.com/mose...opservices.htm

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I would pick Strange over any of the rest. Just because they don't shorten axles doesn't mean they're no good.

Go to your local track and look at what most of the guys are running.


I used to have a nice Strange Pro Mod 9" housing for my 25.1C 68' firebird project. What a monster.

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Not only do they not shorten axles they dont do any work anymore. With Moser you can send them your rear,axles,3rd member, etc, and have them build it. With Strange they do only their new stuff. It troubles me when i call someone with THEIR product and they say "send it to the other guys". Don't get me wrong i like Strange stuff but it seems their only for the big boys anymore.
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Can't blame them for that. That's where the real $ is....

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Re: 9 inch Ford

Actually I am thinking of the Currie bolt in unit.........just have to wait till Monday to call them up.
I may be able to get a nice price break through my job..........then I'll have to compare pricing on building my own or just buying it outright,
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thats my suggestion currie builds all their own stuff now no junkyard cores redone dont get me wrong theres nothing wrong with a junkyard core but when im buyin a brand new part i want it brand new. Their bolt in rear is pricey but hey its a strong piece and you dont have ta wait for your parts to come in from several different places the whole thing shows up and you roll it under the truck and go racing

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We have mark williams axles in a narrowed 9" in our drag car.

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doesnt mark williams offer a complete bolt in for a 9 inch in an S10 too?

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build your own...save the $$ been there done that.
Go with Moser axles...Stock "N" 3rd member

Oh and if you can't wait till your parts get it then your in the wrong hobby...save teh $ build it you will appreciate your ride alot more when you actually do the work.


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Everybackhalf kit on earth uses a 9" and I havent seen many people go with a 8.8" over a 9" thats why I want to see it on paper what the 8.8" saves you on hp vs the 9"...If there is no proof then it's probrably b/s...Cause you know SOMEBODY would have done a dyno test by now...
I would get a 9" I can't see it taking no more hp to turn realisticaly....
As I stated earlier a 9 inch will take more horsepower to turn. I recommended a 8.8 because it was a easy swap that can be done cheaply. I have done 3 with no problems. Explorer rears can be had for as little as $200 for a complete 4:10 posi from nearly any wrecker because they are so many junk explorers. The ring gear of the 8.8 is just that . a 12 bolt is 8.875 the even share some of the same bearings. Seems like ford almost copied the 12 bolt with its. I'm not arguing that the 9 inch isn't a good rear... I was just stating that economically a 8.8 with 31 spline axles .rebuilding the posi with the high performance ford motorsports posi, will be cheap and easy to do. I understand where everyone is coming from and I make it a point to not make unfounded accusations. I take it your tubbed truck has a 9" under it.
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wouldnt do anything but... Yes it's a 9" and so was my '74 and so is my buddys '91 dime seen in the videos. I guess anything can take HP I just wouldnt do anything but a 9" then forget about the rear and hold on.


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9" for reliability reasons

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Get a billet pinon support if you get a 9" then your done. Wont break unless it was setup poorly..


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moser engineering is awesome. i have a tubbed 1980 chevy monza. they cut and narrowed the rear for me. i went to their shop around 8 am and dropped off my rear goofed around there all day. they had my rearend done by 1 pm. they were very helpful guys. that same rear has been in that car for 10 troublefree years.
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build your own...save the $$ been there done that.
Go with Moser axles...Stock "N" 3rd member

Oh and if you can't wait till your parts get it then your in the wrong hobby...save teh $ build it you will appreciate your ride alot more when you actually do the work.
your right you can save some money by doin it yourself . moser makes kick ass parts im runnin a set of their axles in my truck right now but you cant tell me about appreciating your own work every nut and bolt in or on my truck ive turned myself paint and body by me I build my own engines Ive set up my suspension and there isnt a guy or gal for that matter around who takes more pride in their ride than I do! Are there faster trucks yep are there more extreme trucks yep are there sweeter lookin trucks yep but my truck is MINE and its been down for the last 3 years waitin on either parts to come in or money to buy parts so I believe my patience is well execersized theres nothing wrong with ordering a bolt in rear end if you got the cash to do it

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No, I never said there was. Not once... I said you will appreciate the build and it's cheaper...Hell if you just have the cash order a bolt in.


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I agree! Go 9" or go home...with a broken rear. Heres my reason for doing my 9"

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I want to do my rear end once and only once. What makes the 9" different and stronger than all others, is the fact the the pinion snout is supported by its own bearing at the end AND the regular pinion bearing (those who have seen it know what i mean) It will not flex and shread through teeth! I just ordered a Detriot Locker 31 spline, 1350 pinion yolk, spring locaters, and an install kit. I am going to have the housing narrowed and all set up to be installed in a week or so. Then ill call up maybe superior and have 31 spline axles made and ill be ready to roll!

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I agree! Go 9" or go home...with a broken rear. Heres my reason for doing my 9"

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showpo...49&postcount=5

I want to do my rear end once and only once. What makes the 9" different and stronger than all others, is the fact the the pinion snout is supported by its own bearing at the end AND the regular pinion bearing (those who have seen it know what i mean) It will not flex and shread through teeth! I just ordered a Detriot Locker 31 spline, 1350 pinion yolk, spring locaters, and an install kit. I am going to have the housing narrowed and all set up to be installed in a week or so. Then ill call up maybe superior and have 31 spline axles made and ill be ready to roll!

I see a driveshaft loop. You plannin on runnin 9's?

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Some tracks require d/s loops w/ slicks and nitrous.


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NHRA rules say .. Gen Reg. 2:4 --Drive shaft loop required on all cars running 13.99 (8.59-1/8) or quicker and utilizing slicks, except vehicles running 11.49 (7.35-1/8) seconds or slower equipped with street tire.
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yea our local track requires the use of a loop when running slicks no matter what your ET

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so there ya go...lol


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not to mention that $20 part will save your ass and the bottom of your truck, lol


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not to mention that $20 part will save your ass and the bottom of your truck, lol
and you life if the front u joint breaks and digs into ther ground....never tried it but pole vaulting at 120 MPH in a 3000 LBS vehicle just doesnt seem like my idea of fun...

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Yup, you would be stupid to go any faster than 8's to not have a $20 part that could save your ride, parts and life


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I see a driveshaft loop. You plannin on runnin 9's?
Yea, 10.9's. I had the loop on there the minute the V8 was in. And even more so now with a trans brake. If you're being sarcastic and dont have one, then you're dumb for not having a $25 safety part on your vehicle.

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If I remember correct , NHRA rules makes a Loop mandatory with any slicks. If not, all the tracks around me do.

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yup, don't for get no more that 6-8" behind teh front yoke,... I have two, a front and a rear loop


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